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[–]10265 176 points177 points  (12 children)

good news for Michigan!

[–]trainingweele 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Hey I’m from Michigan, moved away for work and just got a new offer to move back!

[–]bcsocia 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s kind of a mixed bag. It’s a billion dollar investment in Michigan which is great.

What they did was cancelled the 200, they then retooled the plant and are going to start production of the 2019 regular duty truck (I’ve been working on that retool for over a year now). Once production numbers come up and volume increases, we’ll do the same thing where the regular duty truck is built now for the heavy duty.

[–]This_is_for_Learning 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good news for the US!

[–]HeMightBeJoking 438 points439 points  (4 children)

Didn’t they just move the Rams to L.A.?

[–]TheNewBrian8916 65 points66 points  (2 children)

Yep and they were almost famous for almost a day.

[–]sf-russ 22 points23 points  (0 children)

And in true LA style, they had to go on a 6 game winning streak before it was cool enough to put ass in seats.

[–]POSDSM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But I guess that doesn't cut it

[–]InternetKingTheKing 71 points72 points  (0 children)

Are you the same person who puts the after photo on the left and the before photo on the right?

[–]O_Apples 789 points790 points  (101 children)

You need to put where it is first and then the destination. Like when addressing a letter, not a present. By putting Michigan before Mexico the brain interprets it as from Michigan to Mexico.

[edit]

So there are quite a few people here commenting how they are able to read words properly. Congratulation.

Do any of you remember that paragraph where almost none of the words are spelled correctly but it is still perfectly understandable. That is what is going on with a lot of other people. Their brain is filling in information in a pattern that is familiar. From A to B is how information is typically presented when talking about a thing that is moving. Where it is now to where it will end up paints a clearer image in the head of most people.

Yes, how it is presented now is technically correct, but because it does not fit the simple common form it adds a layer of unnecessary ambiguity. Also, this is a news article title. It should be written in a way that is to the point and easy to understand at a glance for dumb people like me. I read the title and immediately thought, “and after everything that Trump said.” Read through the article and then thought, “wait, this article doesn’t match the headline.” I went back and forth twice to understand what was going on.

[–]robdiqulous 236 points237 points  (18 children)

Seriously. I live in Michigan and my first thought was awww fuck. But then I read it again and was like oh, no shit?

[–]DocWhiskeyPhD 18 points19 points  (17 children)

I drive by that plant at least twice a week.

[–]racist_sandwich 26 points27 points  (15 children)

Then you'll understand my rant.

I wish the Warren police would write tickets to those that park in the curb lane to pick up their passengers after work.

Parking in a lane on a road with a speed limit of 45 is a wonderful way to cause an accident, all to avoid parking across the street.

[–]DocWhiskeyPhD 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Let the laziness of man never amaze you.

And the warren police don't give a shit unless you're speeding or have a warrant.

[–]Doctor0000 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Average stopping distance from 50mph is 30 car lengths. (that's averaging grades and traction as well) Most American roads are not built to always allow you to see that far ahead.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

[–]racist_sandwich 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Add in the fact that I'm in a semi truck.

I'm not stopping for a quarter mile.

[–]PCloadletter26 282 points283 points  (20 children)

They knew exactly what they were doing when writing the headline.

[–]Paraleia 60 points61 points  (8 children)

“PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean?”

[–]xpoepanda 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Back up in your ass with the resurrection.

[–]cmallard2011 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It's the group harder than an erection

[–]BreadGreatestHits 3 points4 points  (2 children)

That shows more affection

[–]USCAV19D 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They try to ban us on Capitol Hill

[–]telmnstr1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

PC is the paper cassette. On a HP LaserJet 3 there is a single tray, but when you move up to a larger machine like the HP LaserJet 3SIMX I believe it has two trays, so the LCD will read LC Load Letter for lower and UC Load Letter for upper.

[–]bigtfatty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Didn't you get the memo?

[–]axf7228 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Going to show her my O face.

[–]RedLineConductor 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yup that's how I read it.

[–]Furrycheetah 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Wait... your right, I read the title twice as the plant was going to mexico.

[–]NeShep 23 points24 points  (0 children)

You also used "your" instead of "you're".

[–]doreato 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup. Took me a few seconds to confirm it was from Mexico to Michigan

[–]Phinocio 25 points26 points  (2 children)

to Michigan from Mexico.

I...don't understand how people are confused...

[–]BaldwinIVJerusalem 12 points13 points  (3 children)

That was intentional on CNN's part.

[–]could_gild_u_but_nah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah getting to make people think n shit,and catch themselves so they analyze stuff harder. What a bunch of bastards.

[–]Jimid41 17 points18 points  (19 children)

I read it fine. Is this an actual grammatical rule?

[–]OnlyMath 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I too read it fine. People just don't read closely.

[–]AC_Lerok 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wow. Reading these comments blaming CNN, or the media in general, for this headline.

When I was in grade 6 I moved to a new town. When asked to introduce myself I said “hi. I just moved to (new town), from (old town).”

I don’t think I confused any of my 13 year old classmates.

Just read the title/article instead of assuming they’ll know you can’t understand English and are conspiring against you.

[–]AsthmaticNinja 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Holy shit I didn’t realize until I read your comment I had them switched.

[–]MangoMiasma 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Maybe the brain should pay attention to prepositions

[–]HydroDragon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yea, I had no problem parsing the headline on the first try.

[–]SaraBinks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mine certainly did.

[–]4448144484 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is this really surprising with the state of "journalism" today?

[–]CB_Rubber_Ducky 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I used to haul Ram trucks and vans from Laredo, TX. Most people I talked to about the job had no clue they were built in Mexico. The majority of them were delivered to dealerships across America. Very few of them were delivered to end of cycle assembly plants for specialty builds.

[–]EmeraldJunkie 64 points65 points  (56 children)

Good news is good news. I'm still not sold on the tax bill for the long term but moves like this are good for the workers, even if it's only in the short term. Hopefully we'll see more businesses pass their savings onto their employees.

[–]mugsybeans 14 points15 points  (15 children)

I don't know how short term it is. The reason why so many auto manufacturers build in Mexico is because all of their suppliers are within 400 miles. They've developed the infrastructure to support auto manufacturing. When moves like this happen back to the US then it helps to build up our infrastructure lowering the cost of production which will entice more to make the move.

[–]EllisHughTiger 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Correct. They say we cant make small appliances and other smaller products in the US because we've lost the logistics and support infrastructure, but it all can be rebuilt.

A lot of manufacturing is going to Mexico because Mexico was smart and signed trade agreements with 100+ countries. They're in between the US, South America, Asia and Europe, making it a nice place to be if you want to sell everywhere.

[–]mugsybeans 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Yeah, as an example, I use to buy US made mountain bike frames. The brand I prefer started producing them overseas because it was difficult for them to get the tubing and other raw material in the US. It was a "Made in the USA" brand so for those who don't know that means it has to be all or virtually all US produced from the raw material to the final product. They are now a "Designed in the USA" brand which doesn't mean much to me.

[–]wirerc 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Taiwan makes most of non low end bike frames and components, and they do a great job of it. Consumers benefit from the scale and resulting cost savings. Also, if you are a designer with an idea, you can take it to market on a small budget. If everyone had to scale their own production in the US, you would have much less choice. There is nothing wrong with "designed in America." lt means the high value add work was done here.

[–]Phixionion 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Saw a few articles in the economics reddit saying they are doing bonus's instead of wage increases for PR, that this may be good now but will likely put more money in exec hands, and it won't help long term for your average person.

[–]temjerk 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The tax this is dodging was put into place in 1963. I used to work in the plant production is moving to and I heard about this 3 or so years a go.

The current political climate may have made it more amenable to the public but this is really about the Chicken Tax and the failure of the Chrysler 200.

[–]kbuis 15 points16 points  (11 children)

There's been two big problems I've seen so far

  • Companies are handing out one-time bonuses, which are great in the short term, but do nothing to address the big issue that's been plaguing the economy for years: stagnant wage growth.
  • Most of the actual wage increases that have come out, like the one Walmart promised its employees a couple of days ago, were going to happen regardless of the tax bill. Target already bumped its employees up to $11 and plans to go to $15 by 2020.

  • And as an addendum to that last point, the company announced it's closing 10 percent of its Sam's Club locations, slashing thousands of jobs in the process.

This is all window dressing before companies do what they're going to do with the majority of their savings from the tax plan: pay it out to shareholders.

[–]0dyssia 21 points22 points  (8 children)

It had nothing to do with the tax bill, the CEO said they were planning this since 2015

"Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America and not because Trump was elected president. He told Fox Business that the automaker would have made the same decision even if Trump had not been elected."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ford-mexico/ford-scraps-plan-for-1-6-billion-plant-in-mexico-after-trump-criticism-idUSKBN14N1EO

edit: "Marchionne said in a statement on Sunday that the lineup changes were due to that consumer shift."

[–]DolphusTRaymond 5 points6 points  (1 child)

FCA is Fiat Chrysler, not Ford.

[–]whyd_I_laugh_at_that 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And they announced moving from Mexico to Michigan more than a year ago:

FCA’s announcement that it would retool factories in Ohio and Michigan to build new Jeep sport utility vehicles, including a pickup truck, and potentially move production of a Ram heavy-duty pickup truck to Michigan from Mexico

[–]tammyfromthelibrary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know that Ford and Dodge are different companies?

[–]chrltrn 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The fact that there is a sagging demand for small cars in North America is heartbreaking... Not really surprising though

[–]Thunderboy2307 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The demand for hybrids and electric cars is higher than the demand for smaller cars that’s why they decided to invest some of the money in to hybrid and electric cars instead.

Edit: or maybe you just read the comment and not the article

[–]bdmflyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you working so hard to dismiss this that you’ll lie and quote an entirely irrelevant CEO in hopes that people don’t notice and believe you?

[–]I_Love_Ganguro_Girls 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's nice to see some jobs move back. Too bad our government is now completely insolvent.

[–]VegasKL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It'll also be nice for those out-of-work robots to finally get job opportunities again.

[–]JayWaWa 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Instead of robots in Mexico building cars, we will have robots in the USA building cars.

[–]AllynSea 228 points229 points  (22 children)

I don't get it.

The article says from Mexico to Michigan.

[–]UnpopularCrayon 316 points317 points  (18 children)

That is also what the title says.

[–]Renovate_America 77 points78 points  (6 children)

It's confusing people because usually you phrase it as "from X to Y", not "to Y from X". The article says it correctly, the title here says it retardedly.

[–]UnpopularCrayon 17 points18 points  (3 children)

The article title also says it the same way as in the post title.

[–]Renovate_America 20 points21 points  (2 children)

The title does, but the first paragraph is literally..

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is feeling good about tax reform. So good that it says it's moving some of its truck production from Mexico to Michigan.

[–]posts_lindsay_lohan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Is it the statement that's wrong, or is it your interpretation of the statement that is at fault?

[–]AllynSea 38 points39 points  (10 children)

The article reads Mexico to Michigan

[–]UnpopularCrayon 93 points94 points  (9 children)

And title also says Mexico to Michigan. It's just phrased as "To Michigan FROM Mexico"

[–]AllynSea 126 points127 points  (8 children)

Well, now that I've done something stupid, I think I'll just go play in traffic.

[–]kungfoojesus 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Would be a shame if your momentary lapse in reading comprehension were to become your top rated comment.

[–]UnpopularCrayon 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Perhaps that would be best. Just make sure that traffic is composed of Dodge Ram pickup trucks, soon to be made in America because Fiat Chrysler is so benevolent and concerned about American workers. /s

[–]Max_Thunder 3 points4 points  (1 child)

But the articles says Mexico to America.

[–]UnpopularCrayon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes I know that.

[–]ShitHitsTheMan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Redditor obviously can't comprehend the English language. Reddit gives this comment >200 upvotes. I lose all faith in humanity as a result.

[–]7palms 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Jesus Chrysler fix that title ughhh

[–]Sun-Anvil 43 points44 points  (7 children)

Well, this is going to piss of the suppliers that built plants in Mexico just for Chrysler and the Ram truck.

Fiat Chrysler said it does not plan to shut the Saltillo plant, but declined to comment on which models will be made in Saltillo after Ram production moves north.

Also, FCA is saying this is because the tax bill makes it cheaper to operate in Michigan. Think about that. It is cheaper in Michigan than Mexico.

[–]dmpastuf 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Cheaper when you factor in logistics and likely higher efficiency from more automated plants north of the border, yeah that's not too surprising.

[–]passerbycat 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yep, it's what companies do; calculate the most cost effective method. If they calculate that it's more cost effective to use cheap human labor they'll use cheap human labor, and if they calculate it's better to invest in automated factories in a local place they'll go for that.

[–]EllisHughTiger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More expensive labor can be cheaper overall if they have better production and you're paying far less in shipping costs.

Cheap labor gets very expensive when you have a lot of bad product and it takes weeks to deliver good products.

[–]Sun-Anvil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The plant in Mexico had 325 robots and ~3,000 employees. That's not bad for a plant that size so I would say efficiency wasn't the issue. Not sure how the logistics worked so there might be a savings there.

I have no issue with more jobs for the US I just wonder at what cost. I have to assume FCA did the math and they will come out ahead on the deal.

[–]cpfourlife 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I can tell you as a Michigander that the state, county, and city have waived most of their taxes to do this too. Tax breaks and saving on logistics are probably very sgnificant. Most of those trucks had to be exported back to the US for sale.

[–]KrazeeD 181 points182 points  (50 children)

The relocation of the Ram production and the $2,000 bonus for all employees are a direct result of the tax reform from Trump. That’s exactly what the email said that I received from corporate. The bonus will be paid in 2nd quarter of this year. Oh and they are investing $1 billion into Warren plant which will also creat 2,500 jobs.

[–]thoselusciouslips 116 points117 points  (8 children)

Paying bonuses and corporate investments would've lowered their tax bill even before the new law. They could've done that the whole time.

[–]bjacks12 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Yep.

And if they're doing this to save taxes, it would have saved them more money to pay the bonuses in 2017 when the tax rates were higher.

However, the reduced tax burden does increase the amount of profits remaining out of which bonuses can be paid.

I'm sure this is just a one time token amount for PR though.

[–]KrazeeD 56 points57 points  (4 children)

Of course they could’ve done that. Any big company could if they wanted to. I’m merely stated the notification I received specifically stated it was due to the tax reform that’s all.

[–]goramfed 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Because Trump swung Michigan red for the first time in 6 elections and wants to hold it. I'm sure Michigan CEOs are going to be huge in the next few years to keep those swing votes.

[–]roo-ster 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This was planned two years before Trump's election, why spread the lie that it's a "direct result of the tax reform from Trump"?

[–]ld115 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because pushing a narrative that "less taxes on the rich is a good thing" is what matters. In the case of a company doing it, it's a way to increase employee loyalty by piggy backing on things that only help the company's bottom line.

And most news sources know the average American isn't going to fact check. Those that will are going to be labeled trolls or "fake news" by those who are ignorant or only care about winning.

[–]joeroloff 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Most of these businesses that are giving bonuses had already looked into it, and now are using the tax plan itself as a way to tout it.

“Hey look, we’re rolling in cash already and should be handing out bonuses and higher wages, so support the tax bill, heil Trump and god bless America!”

It’s a way of getting people to believe the tax plan will help them and vote republicans back into office.

[–]Hi_My_Name_Is_Dave 79 points80 points  (16 children)

Except this was being planned since 2015.

[–]shadowninjadruid 21 points22 points  (5 children)

It's probably also part of a long term plan for automation. Automation in the US is far better than anywhere else in the world and that is likely going to remain that way due to skilled labor.

Makes far more sense to bring these plants back now while the taxes are lower and then in the future as automation becomes cheaper, convert them over.

Good news for US workers though for the short term of course.

[–]stano1213 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Yes. I work for FCA supplier. Visited a plant months ago that was setting up for upcoming RAM production. Not sure about internal FCA communication but at least a good chunk of this has been in the works for Tier 1 suppliers located in Michigan far before the tax bill.....

[–]Scathien 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Except what they just announced is in -addition- to what they announced in Jan of 2017, which was being planned since 2015.

So sure, they were planning on moving some to Michigan, and now because of the tax cut they've decided to move more of it.

[–]temjerk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I led a few updates in the paint shop in early 2015 and all the engineers were talking about it. It was supposed to be kept secret from the line workers and skilled trades for the time being but I imagine they've known for a while by now too.

[–]42aaac71fb3f45cc60 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Its like he has a "magic stick" or something. LOL.

[–]StaplerLivesMatter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly what the email said that I received from corporate.

Of course it does.

[–]StanGambini 158 points159 points  (74 children)

Nah. Trump had nothing to do with it. They just had to leave that shithole.

[–]mrsuns10 78 points79 points  (21 children)

Like I said shithole is officially word of the year

[–]dsk 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The year is young. It's the word of the month.

[–]Rich-Dude 28 points29 points  (14 children)

W has nothing on Trump when it comes to memes.

[–]Its_Not_Over_Yet 22 points23 points  (5 children)

I dunno, "Is our children learning?" was pretty good.

[–]ThisLookInfectedToYa 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Man, if only we meme'd when Quayle was in office.

[–]Ice_Cold345 13 points14 points  (2 children)

"They misunderestimate me."

[–]Lotharofthepotatoppl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I never liked W but I've always loved that word. It's so perfect.

[–]BangYourMom69 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Considering Trump literally memed his way into the presidency is proof of that claim.

[–]PinionTheMinion 69 points70 points  (46 children)

They just had to leave that shithole.

Can you blame them?

Constant increasing violence, the worlds worst obesity rate, targeting of police and federal figures who attempt to stop the violence, and most of it is focused near the borders.

Now they are essentially going to lose all tourism from the US because people are finding out how bad it is.

Remember TripAdvisor removing those bad reviews of Mexican hotels for rape? Turns out they've been doing it for years, the amount was absurdly high.

[–]peacockpartypants 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Remember TripAdvisor removing those bad reviews of Mexican hotels for rape? Turns out they've been doing it for years, the amount was absurdly high.

No. No I do not. I'm not sure whether I find it more insane or horrifying.

[–]meister_eckhart 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It was a top story on /r/news twice about a month ago. They're being investigated by the FTC for it.

[–]UrbanDryad 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I've been to Mexico a handful of times as ports of destination from a cruise ship. The staff were pretty clear that you should not wander off out of the tourist bubble around the dock unless you were with an approved tour group.

A part of me wondered if that was just to keep you spending money in the "approved" shops (that pay through the nose for a spot by the dock.) But then we went on some of the tours and you got to see other places from the bus windows. It was like an entirely different world. Almost every property was heavily gated and/or had bars on the windows. And I was given the impression these were the 'nice' parts of town.

[–]EllisHughTiger 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Its really like that throughout much of the world however. Go to Europe and you'll see plenty of tall walls and gates around people's houses. Of course, many people also keep loose pets so they need taller fences. Every relative I have in Europe has a concrete and/or metal fence along their property.

The low picket fence or open front yard is quite an American thing.

[–]Revydown 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Are you saying having a big enough wall keeps people out?

[–]SaraBinks 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I once wrote a TripAdvisor review about a vacation I took; I gave high marks to the hotel, but commented that the town it was in appeared to have a serious drug and alcohol problem. I was there during off season and it was obvious that a huge part of the local population was stoned out of their minds. The part about the hotel was printed, but the rest of the review was not.

[–]Wellitjustgotreal 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Thought this was a St. Louis post.

[–]TheNewBrian8916 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I just feel bad for St. Louis. I live in Chicago and there is almost no reason to ever go there, if you want to visit a nice city in Missouri, you want Kansas City.

[–]PartyboobBoobytrap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the worlds worst obesity rate

So you're just making shit up?

WTF?

[–]TinyWightSpider 80 points81 points  (37 children)

Excuse me, but were told those jobs aren’t coming back.

[–]temjerk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They're shuffling production around. Production at Sterling Heights stops because the 200 got cancelled. Production of standard Ram trucks moves from Warren Truck to Sterling Heights. Production of Heavy duty trucks moves from Saltillo to Warren. A new vehicle is built in Saltillo. It's a zero sum thing.

[–]canufeelthelove 16 points17 points  (0 children)

These jobs aren't "coming back". Zero jobs are being lost in the Mexico plant. In fact, over 250 new jobs are being created. All this does is create new jobs that were going to be created anyway and announced in a way that keeps Trump from negatively attacking their company on Twitter as he has done with several automakers in the past.

[–]ThisLookInfectedToYa 6 points7 points  (2 children)

they'll last until the next fuel price spike.

[–]ConfirmableVelvet 142 points143 points  (55 children)

Wtf I hate jobs for Americans now - /r/politics

[–]TrailLand_PortBlazer 95 points96 points  (43 children)

There’s an article about 215 jobs moving to Mexico but no article about 2,500 jobs moving to America lol.

People there legitimately don’t want to hear good news during GOP administrations and they don’t want to hear bad news during Democratic administrations.

[–]waiv 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The jobs might be created, but they aren't "moving" since people in Mexico won't lose their jobs.

[–]gregzillaf 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Doesnt that mean its even better? A win for the US and its not a loss for Mexico?

[–]TrailLand_PortBlazer 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I’m sure that made all the difference to /r/politics.

[–]SaraBinks 39 points40 points  (32 children)

I think that most Trump haters (nearly everyone it seems) would rather see everything go to hell than to actually have positive progress take place.

[–]Threeleggedchicken 71 points72 points  (20 children)

Bill Maher actually said that he was disappointed the economy didn’t collapse following Trumps election. It’s insane how insane some people are.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Utter hypocrisy considering McConnell was (rightly) excoriated for saying he hoped everything Obama did would fail even if it were to America's detriment.

[–]Threeleggedchicken 6 points7 points  (2 children)

And ironic considering the markets went down the day following Obama’s re-election.

[–]TrailLand_PortBlazer 43 points44 points  (15 children)

Trump Derangement Syndrome

[–]RenegadeBanana 27 points28 points  (13 children)

I'm center-left, loathe Trump. But I'm so fucking sick of Trump Derangement Syndrome. People have been acting like he's a literal fascist for over a year now and I'm exhausted from trying to convince people that the country isn't imploding because of him.

[–]Kaghuros 19 points20 points  (6 children)

It's just so tiring to be accused of being a Nazi every time I have to defend sensible policy or try to stem the tide of hysteria. I've just given up and embraced it by trolling those people as hard as I can.

[–]Fingfangfoo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I told an extremely progressive friend of mine that I would hide her when the right wing death squads came for her. She seemed to take it in stride. The trolling opportunities are glorious.

[–]straggler4574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Preach it.

But seriously, I consider myself socially liberal, fiscally conservative with a streak a libertarian thrown in for good measure. I get shit from both my right leaning friends for not defending every stupid thing trump says, and shit from my left leaning friends for not acting like the tax plan, or ending chain migration, or whatever will be the death of all we know in America.

It’s just disheartening to see people at each other throats when the country as a whole is doing fine. Could be better, could be worse but that’s no different than any other time in our history.

[–]Kaghuros 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep. Some people just lost it after the election. It's what happens when your bubble of cognitive dissonance is so far removed from reality.

[–]RyukuGloryBe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I mean, I'd rather see massive long-term gains from freer trade and more immigration than short-term gains from tax breaks, but whatever floats your narrative.

[–]crimpers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do Reddit show different people different posts? All I've got above your post is one saying this is good news for Michigan, one saying that it's all because of Trump and one complaining that Mexico was put in front of Michigan in the title. Or are you sorting by controversial? If that's the case you can't really try and pass it off as the view of the subreddit as it's been downvoted enough to be controversial...

[–]Vahlir 10 points11 points  (6 children)

well they hate Fiat Chrysler now, that's for damn sure lol and don't get the started on Trucks are just compensatory tools for Rednecks

[–]werferofflammen 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Damn right. Fuck the working man that built the home they live in, or more likely apartment they rent.

[–]creeldeel 13 points14 points  (3 children)

First, move all auto jobs out of Michigan and let Michigan turn into a third world country. Lastly, move back to Michigan.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So, you're saying it's time to move back into Michigan?

[–]RenegadeBanana 4 points5 points  (1 child)

For cheap labor, sure. Also a more stable government than Mexico.

[–]Oldskoolguitar 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ooooooh. They are bringing it to the U.S.

[–]ilive2lift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've had nothing but problems with both of the rams I've owned. Absolute pieces of shit.

[–]danqbasement 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Ayyyyy Trump you still suck but this is ok

[–]FuckBancard 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I'm really glad Burnt Chrysler is doing this.

[–]TrailLand_PortBlazer 29 points30 points  (2 children)

mAnUfAcTuRiNg JoBs ArEnT cOmInG bAcK

[–]EllisHughTiger 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Manufacturing jobs Arent cominG bAck.

[–]TrailLand_PortBlazer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Took me a second

Absolute madman 👌🏻

[–]puntiospilatos 29 points30 points  (24 children)

I'm hear to see reddit have a stroke trying to internalize the benefits of the tax plan. After all, if John Oliver and Vox said its bad, then it must be bad.

[–]PartyboobBoobytrap 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nobody though the tax cuts were not good for corporations.

It’s the healthcare and other bs in the bill.

But let his shiny thing distract you from everything else.

A cherry in a pile of shit is still a shit pile.

[–]not-a-fan 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Most people on reddit are incapable of understanding the most basic principles of economics.

[–]Revydown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our wages suck? Let's bring more people in that is bound to be a net plus for the economy. Except buissness are the only ones able to see the gain because they gain cheap labor.

[–]Anonymonynonymous 2 points3 points  (10 children)

why are we cutting taxes on the top when the economy is doing okay and we have 20T in debt? no estimate says that the tax cuts will pay for themselves. now is the time to pay down our debt

[–]Ironicalogical 25 points26 points  (6 children)

jesus, only reddit would complain about jobs returning to the U.S.

[–]r3rg54 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I mean there aren't many comments here complaining about the move itself

[–]villr105 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Democrats and leftists hate their own countries. If you arent actively doing something to undermine yourself and help others then life its not worth living.

[–]whochoosessquirtle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh look another person who inaccurately calls people leftists yet whines endlessly about people being called Nazi's

[–]Music_Cannon[🍰] 43 points44 points  (21 children)

Thank you President Trump.

[–]Merkin_turdballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fiat Chrysler WTF do you have to pull the motor out to change the plugs .

[–]ITS_MAJOR_TOM_YO 14 points15 points  (11 children)

“Those jobs are not coming back.” Obama

[–]I_Love_Pi25 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Are we allowed to give trump any credit or is he still a nazi?

[–]Boozenight 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'm sure the left will perform some 4d mental gymnastics and say this had nothing to do with Trump and his tax reform.

Edit. Yep the downvotes confirm lefties can't take any good news when it comes to Trump. Oh well.

[–]mrevergood 18 points19 points  (52 children)

Anyone that thinks this is related to the tax bill under the Trump administration, the FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne has said back in 2015 that building trucks here in America where they’re more profitable makes more sense, and was something coming down the pipeline. In 2015.

[–]blobblobbed 138 points139 points  (34 children)

first sentence of the article

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is feeling good about tax reform. So good that it says it's moving some of its truck production from Mexico to Michigan.

[–]ProthyThe_Prothean 75 points76 points  (3 children)

Come on man this is Reddit, you can’t possibly have expected him to have read the article.

[–]I_no_afraid_of_stuff 50 points51 points  (11 children)

Then the article also mentions they aren’t closing the plant in Mexico, just changing what they are going to be producing. Which makes me think this isn’t really about tax reform in the US, and more that Chrysler is doing well at the moment and decided to open another plant.

[–]munchies777 20 points21 points  (1 child)

They are doing it to preempt a possible change in NAFTA. Most Ram trucks that are sold as non-commercial vehicles are sold in the US and Canada. Right now, there is no tariff on them, but there may be in the future. So what they did is move Ram pickups back into the US, and move production of commercial vehicles that sell a smaller proportion to the US to Mexico to take their place. It potentially lowers the amount of duty they have to pay around the world in the future.

[–]ThisLookInfectedToYa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They don't want their trucks to go the same route that VW's did with the chickens.

[–]blobblobbed 31 points32 points  (6 children)

4th paragraph

"it is only proper that our employees share in the savings generated by tax reform and that we openly acknowledge the resulting improvement in the U.S. business environment by investing in our industrial footprint accordingly," CEO Sergio Marchionne said in a press release.

[–]Meowshi 45 points46 points  (5 children)

In other words, "we already publicly announced having plans to do this years ago, but now we can attribute it to our massive corporate tax cut for good PR." Same as every last one of these stories about these disingenuous companies recently.

Meh, at least people are getting jobs out of all this.

[–]Plisskens_snake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Watch them convert the plant in Mexico to small cars. This shit happens all the time with car companies.

[–]CarolinaHome 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They would be silly to close the Mexico plant - Mexico has free trade agreements with many countries that the US does not - They can sell trucks made in Mexico and incur fewer taxes than with trucks made in the USA. Remember, the US isn't the only market for cars and trucks, they get shipped all over the world.

[–]TouristsOfNiagara 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My Mexico-built Nissan was $9998.00 in Canada. Cheaper than most motorcycles. I'm the brunt of a lot of jokes over it, but I laugh driving to the bank.

[–]LastAXEL 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"The giant corporation says it so it must be true." -you

This is corporate propaganda.

[–]Meowshi 9 points10 points  (5 children)

That's called editorializing, mate. It's not a fact.

[–]6to23 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This particular move probably have more to do with the expectation that Trump will end NAFTA. So anything they make that will export to the US is better off made in the US. The new lower taxes is just icing on the cake.

[–]rollsreus1990 6 points7 points  (2 children)

They emailed their employees about the bonus and said it was because of tax reform. They literally said it was directly related.

[–]ThisLookInfectedToYa 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Former employer once emailed me that the new management wouldn't result in any significant changes for us, 8 days later we came in to a closed up shop.

[–]OtterApocalypse 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Same here. Former employer emailed all employees/partners about how great the upcoming merger with another firm was going to be for everyone. A few months later they laid off ~80 people due to redundancies created by the merger.

[–]Onlymadeforxbox 4 points5 points  (3 children)

There is a comment in this sub (the comment above yours) from an employee saying that in an email from corporate that this and the $2000 bonus employees are getting that's going to be paid by the quarter, is directly related to the new tax bill under the Trump administration. And it says it in the article. Take your downvote.

[–]Randomabcd1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh, a corporation said something that would make them look good politically? No need to question that.

[–]GuildCalamitousNtent 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Well if a corporate-wide e-mail said it, it has to be true! Corporations never lie!

[–]Phillipinsocal 11 points12 points  (24 children)

This site will not allow this story to garner traction. This is terrific for our country no matter what agenda is being pushed here.

[–]Gronkalicious 43 points44 points  (12 children)

Yet here it is on the front page. 🤔

[–]ryeoldfashioned 26 points27 points  (9 children)

And the comments are all a mad rush to make sure no one accidentally gives credit to Trump or the GOP tax bill. Which is fine, except we all know that if the jobs had moved the other direction what the narrative would have been.

[–]username2256 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well considering Trump tried to take credit for airline safety, I'm guessing people want to make sure he actually contributed to this, rather than trying to take credit for something else that isn't a result of anything he did at all.

[–]redpilled_brit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

WhAt mAgIc wAnD DoEs hE hAvE???

[–]SnoT8282 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Does this mean quality control will improve...