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Fiat Chrysler will move Ram production to Michigan from Mexico

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180 points · 5 months ago

good news for Michigan!

Hey I’m from Michigan, moved away for work and just got a new offer to move back!

2 points · 5 months ago

great to hear!

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they're due.

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Good news for the US!

It’s kind of a mixed bag. It’s a billion dollar investment in Michigan which is great.

What they did was cancelled the 200, they then retooled the plant and are going to start production of the 2019 regular duty truck (I’ve been working on that retool for over a year now). Once production numbers come up and volume increases, we’ll do the same thing where the regular duty truck is built now for the heavy duty.

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Didn’t they just move the Rams to L.A.?

69 points · 5 months ago

Yep and they were almost famous for almost a day.

22 points · 5 months ago

And in true LA style, they had to go on a 6 game winning streak before it was cool enough to put ass in seats.

2 points · 5 months ago

But I guess that doesn't cut it

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798 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

You need to put where it is first and then the destination. Like when addressing a letter, not a present. By putting Michigan before Mexico the brain interprets it as from Michigan to Mexico.


So there are quite a few people here commenting how they are able to read words properly. Congratulation.

Do any of you remember that paragraph where almost none of the words are spelled correctly but it is still perfectly understandable. That is what is going on with a lot of other people. Their brain is filling in information in a pattern that is familiar. From A to B is how information is typically presented when talking about a thing that is moving. Where it is now to where it will end up paints a clearer image in the head of most people.

Yes, how it is presented now is technically correct, but because it does not fit the simple common form it adds a layer of unnecessary ambiguity. Also, this is a news article title. It should be written in a way that is to the point and easy to understand at a glance for dumb people like me. I read the title and immediately thought, “and after everything that Trump said.” Read through the article and then thought, “wait, this article doesn’t match the headline.” I went back and forth twice to understand what was going on.

Seriously. I live in Michigan and my first thought was awww fuck. But then I read it again and was like oh, no shit?

I drive by that plant at least twice a week.

Then you'll understand my rant.

I wish the Warren police would write tickets to those that park in the curb lane to pick up their passengers after work.

Parking in a lane on a road with a speed limit of 45 is a wonderful way to cause an accident, all to avoid parking across the street.

Let the laziness of man never amaze you.

And the warren police don't give a shit unless you're speeding or have a warrant.

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Average stopping distance from 50mph is 30 car lengths. (that's averaging grades and traction as well) Most American roads are not built to always allow you to see that far ahead.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

Add in the fact that I'm in a semi truck.

I'm not stopping for a quarter mile.

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They knew exactly what they were doing when writing the headline.

“PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean?”

Back up in your ass with the resurrection.

It's the group harder than an erection

That shows more affection

They try to ban us on Capitol Hill

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PC is the paper cassette. On a HP LaserJet 3 there is a single tray, but when you move up to a larger machine like the HP LaserJet 3SIMX I believe it has two trays, so the LCD will read LC Load Letter for lower and UC Load Letter for upper.

Didn't you get the memo?

Going to show her my O face.

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20 points · 5 months ago

Yup that's how I read it.

Wait... your right, I read the title twice as the plant was going to mexico.

26 points · 5 months ago

You also used "your" instead of "you're".

Yup. Took me a few seconds to confirm it was from Mexico to Michigan

to Michigan from Mexico.

I...don't understand how people are confused...

Reading is hard.

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15 points · 5 months ago(3 children)

Yeah getting to make people think n shit,and catch themselves so they analyze stuff harder. What a bunch of bastards.

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23 points · 5 months ago

I read it fine. Is this an actual grammatical rule?

I too read it fine. People just don't read closely.

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7 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

Wow. Reading these comments blaming CNN, or the media in general, for this headline.

When I was in grade 6 I moved to a new town. When asked to introduce myself I said “hi. I just moved to (new town), from (old town).”

I don’t think I confused any of my 13 year old classmates.

Just read the title/article instead of assuming they’ll know you can’t understand English and are conspiring against you.

Holy shit I didn’t realize until I read your comment I had them switched.

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Maybe the brain should pay attention to prepositions

Yea, I had no problem parsing the headline on the first try.

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3 points · 5 months ago

Mine certainly did.

Is this really surprising with the state of "journalism" today?

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I used to haul Ram trucks and vans from Laredo, TX. Most people I talked to about the job had no clue they were built in Mexico. The majority of them were delivered to dealerships across America. Very few of them were delivered to end of cycle assembly plants for specialty builds.

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Good news is good news. I'm still not sold on the tax bill for the long term but moves like this are good for the workers, even if it's only in the short term. Hopefully we'll see more businesses pass their savings onto their employees.

I don't know how short term it is. The reason why so many auto manufacturers build in Mexico is because all of their suppliers are within 400 miles. They've developed the infrastructure to support auto manufacturing. When moves like this happen back to the US then it helps to build up our infrastructure lowering the cost of production which will entice more to make the move.

Correct. They say we cant make small appliances and other smaller products in the US because we've lost the logistics and support infrastructure, but it all can be rebuilt.

A lot of manufacturing is going to Mexico because Mexico was smart and signed trade agreements with 100+ countries. They're in between the US, South America, Asia and Europe, making it a nice place to be if you want to sell everywhere.

3 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

Yeah, as an example, I use to buy US made mountain bike frames. The brand I prefer started producing them overseas because it was difficult for them to get the tubing and other raw material in the US. It was a "Made in the USA" brand so for those who don't know that means it has to be all or virtually all US produced from the raw material to the final product. They are now a "Designed in the USA" brand which doesn't mean much to me.

2 points · 5 months ago

Taiwan makes most of non low end bike frames and components, and they do a great job of it. Consumers benefit from the scale and resulting cost savings. Also, if you are a designer with an idea, you can take it to market on a small budget. If everyone had to scale their own production in the US, you would have much less choice. There is nothing wrong with "designed in America." lt means the high value add work was done here.

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Saw a few articles in the economics reddit saying they are doing bonus's instead of wage increases for PR, that this may be good now but will likely put more money in exec hands, and it won't help long term for your average person.

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The tax this is dodging was put into place in 1963. I used to work in the plant production is moving to and I heard about this 3 or so years a go.

The current political climate may have made it more amenable to the public but this is really about the Chicken Tax and the failure of the Chrysler 200.

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16 points · 5 months ago

There's been two big problems I've seen so far

  • Companies are handing out one-time bonuses, which are great in the short term, but do nothing to address the big issue that's been plaguing the economy for years: stagnant wage growth.

  • Most of the actual wage increases that have come out, like the one Walmart promised its employees a couple of days ago, were going to happen regardless of the tax bill. Target already bumped its employees up to $11 and plans to go to $15 by 2020.

  • And as an addendum to that last point, the company announced it's closing 10 percent of its Sam's Club locations, slashing thousands of jobs in the process.

This is all window dressing before companies do what they're going to do with the majority of their savings from the tax plan: pay it out to shareholders.

Shareholders are people too.

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19 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

It had nothing to do with the tax bill, the CEO said they were planning this since 2015

"Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America and not because Trump was elected president. He told Fox Business that the automaker would have made the same decision even if Trump had not been elected."

edit: "Marchionne said in a statement on Sunday that the lineup changes were due to that consumer shift."

FCA is Fiat Chrysler, not Ford.

And they announced moving from Mexico to Michigan more than a year ago:

FCA’s announcement that it would retool factories in Ohio and Michigan to build new Jeep sport utility vehicles, including a pickup truck, and potentially move production of a Ram heavy-duty pickup truck to Michigan from Mexico

2 points · 5 months ago

You know that Ford and Dodge are different companies?

The fact that there is a sagging demand for small cars in North America is heartbreaking... Not really surprising though

7 points · 5 months ago

The demand for hybrids and electric cars is higher than the demand for smaller cars that’s why they decided to invest some of the money in to hybrid and electric cars instead.

Edit: or maybe you just read the comment and not the article

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Are you working so hard to dismiss this that you’ll lie and quote an entirely irrelevant CEO in hopes that people don’t notice and believe you?

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It's nice to see some jobs move back. Too bad our government is now completely insolvent.

It'll also be nice for those out-of-work robots to finally get job opportunities again.

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13 points · 5 months ago

Instead of robots in Mexico building cars, we will have robots in the USA building cars.

225 points · 5 months ago

I don't get it.

The article says from Mexico to Michigan.

That is also what the title says.

It's confusing people because usually you phrase it as "from X to Y", not "to Y from X". The article says it correctly, the title here says it retardedly.

The article title also says it the same way as in the post title.

The title does, but the first paragraph is literally..

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is feeling good about tax reform. So good that it says it's moving some of its truck production from Mexico to Michigan.

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Did I say otherwise?

Is it the statement that's wrong, or is it your interpretation of the statement that is at fault?

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The article reads Mexico to Michigan

And title also says Mexico to Michigan. It's just phrased as "To Michigan FROM Mexico"

132 points · 5 months ago

Well, now that I've done something stupid, I think I'll just go play in traffic.

Would be a shame if your momentary lapse in reading comprehension were to become your top rated comment.

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Perhaps that would be best. Just make sure that traffic is composed of Dodge Ram pickup trucks, soon to be made in America because Fiat Chrysler is so benevolent and concerned about American workers. /s

But the articles says Mexico to America.

Yes I know that.

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Redditor obviously can't comprehend the English language. Reddit gives this comment >200 upvotes. I lose all faith in humanity as a result.

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11 points · 5 months ago

Jesus Chrysler fix that title ughhh

Well, this is going to piss of the suppliers that built plants in Mexico just for Chrysler and the Ram truck.

Fiat Chrysler said it does not plan to shut the Saltillo plant, but declined to comment on which models will be made in Saltillo after Ram production moves north.

Also, FCA is saying this is because the tax bill makes it cheaper to operate in Michigan. Think about that. It is cheaper in Michigan than Mexico.

Cheaper when you factor in logistics and likely higher efficiency from more automated plants north of the border, yeah that's not too surprising.

Yep, it's what companies do; calculate the most cost effective method. If they calculate that it's more cost effective to use cheap human labor they'll use cheap human labor, and if they calculate it's better to invest in automated factories in a local place they'll go for that.

More expensive labor can be cheaper overall if they have better production and you're paying far less in shipping costs.

Cheap labor gets very expensive when you have a lot of bad product and it takes weeks to deliver good products.

The plant in Mexico had 325 robots and ~3,000 employees. That's not bad for a plant that size so I would say efficiency wasn't the issue. Not sure how the logistics worked so there might be a savings there.

I have no issue with more jobs for the US I just wonder at what cost. I have to assume FCA did the math and they will come out ahead on the deal.

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I can tell you as a Michigander that the state, county, and city have waived most of their taxes to do this too. Tax breaks and saving on logistics are probably very sgnificant. Most of those trucks had to be exported back to the US for sale.

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184 points · 5 months ago

The relocation of the Ram production and the $2,000 bonus for all employees are a direct result of the tax reform from Trump. That’s exactly what the email said that I received from corporate. The bonus will be paid in 2nd quarter of this year. Oh and they are investing $1 billion into Warren plant which will also creat 2,500 jobs.

Paying bonuses and corporate investments would've lowered their tax bill even before the new law. They could've done that the whole time.


And if they're doing this to save taxes, it would have saved them more money to pay the bonuses in 2017 when the tax rates were higher.

However, the reduced tax burden does increase the amount of profits remaining out of which bonuses can be paid.

I'm sure this is just a one time token amount for PR though.

57 points · 5 months ago

Of course they could’ve done that. Any big company could if they wanted to. I’m merely stated the notification I received specifically stated it was due to the tax reform that’s all.

Because Trump swung Michigan red for the first time in 6 elections and wants to hold it. I'm sure Michigan CEOs are going to be huge in the next few years to keep those swing votes.

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This was planned two years before Trump's election, why spread the lie that it's a "direct result of the tax reform from Trump"?

6 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

Because pushing a narrative that "less taxes on the rich is a good thing" is what matters. In the case of a company doing it, it's a way to increase employee loyalty by piggy backing on things that only help the company's bottom line.

And most news sources know the average American isn't going to fact check. Those that will are going to be labeled trolls or "fake news" by those who are ignorant or only care about winning.

Most of these businesses that are giving bonuses had already looked into it, and now are using the tax plan itself as a way to tout it.

“Hey look, we’re rolling in cash already and should be handing out bonuses and higher wages, so support the tax bill, heil Trump and god bless America!”

It’s a way of getting people to believe the tax plan will help them and vote republicans back into office.

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Except this was being planned since 2015.

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Yes. I work for FCA supplier. Visited a plant months ago that was setting up for upcoming RAM production. Not sure about internal FCA communication but at least a good chunk of this has been in the works for Tier 1 suppliers located in Michigan far before the tax bill.....

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I led a few updates in the paint shop in early 2015 and all the engineers were talking about it. It was supposed to be kept secret from the line workers and skilled trades for the time being but I imagine they've known for a while by now too.

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Its like he has a "magic stick" or something. LOL.

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And the $2k in my pocket?

Effectively added directly to the budget deficit. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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That’s exactly what the email said that I received from corporate.

Of course it does.

Did the same email deny all the announcements over the last year that said they were strongly considering this move?

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Nah. Trump had nothing to do with it. They just had to leave that shithole.

Like I said shithole is officially word of the year

32 points · 5 months ago

The year is young. It's the word of the month.

W has nothing on Trump when it comes to memes.

24 points · 5 months ago

I dunno, "Is our children learning?" was pretty good.

Man, if only we meme'd when Quayle was in office.

"They misunderestimate me."

I never liked W but I've always loved that word. It's so perfect.

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17 points · 5 months ago

Considering Trump literally memed his way into the presidency is proof of that claim.

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It's Jan 15th

It's the 13th.

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They just had to leave that shithole.

Can you blame them?

Constant increasing violence, the worlds worst obesity rate, targeting of police and federal figures who attempt to stop the violence, and most of it is focused near the borders.

Now they are essentially going to lose all tourism from the US because people are finding out how bad it is.

Remember TripAdvisor removing those bad reviews of Mexican hotels for rape? Turns out they've been doing it for years, the amount was absurdly high.

Remember TripAdvisor removing those bad reviews of Mexican hotels for rape? Turns out they've been doing it for years, the amount was absurdly high.

No. No I do not. I'm not sure whether I find it more insane or horrifying.

It was a top story on /r/news twice about a month ago. They're being investigated by the FTC for it.

I've been to Mexico a handful of times as ports of destination from a cruise ship. The staff were pretty clear that you should not wander off out of the tourist bubble around the dock unless you were with an approved tour group.

A part of me wondered if that was just to keep you spending money in the "approved" shops (that pay through the nose for a spot by the dock.) But then we went on some of the tours and you got to see other places from the bus windows. It was like an entirely different world. Almost every property was heavily gated and/or had bars on the windows. And I was given the impression these were the 'nice' parts of town.

Its really like that throughout much of the world however. Go to Europe and you'll see plenty of tall walls and gates around people's houses. Of course, many people also keep loose pets so they need taller fences. Every relative I have in Europe has a concrete and/or metal fence along their property.

The low picket fence or open front yard is quite an American thing.

Are you saying having a big enough wall keeps people out?

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10 points · 5 months ago

I once wrote a TripAdvisor review about a vacation I took; I gave high marks to the hotel, but commented that the town it was in appeared to have a serious drug and alcohol problem. I was there during off season and it was obvious that a huge part of the local population was stoned out of their minds. The part about the hotel was printed, but the rest of the review was not.

Thought this was a St. Louis post.

8 points · 5 months ago

I just feel bad for St. Louis. I live in Chicago and there is almost no reason to ever go there, if you want to visit a nice city in Missouri, you want Kansas City.

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the worlds worst obesity rate

So you're just making shit up?


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Excuse me, but were told those jobs aren’t coming back.

They're shuffling production around. Production at Sterling Heights stops because the 200 got cancelled. Production of standard Ram trucks moves from Warren Truck to Sterling Heights. Production of Heavy duty trucks moves from Saltillo to Warren. A new vehicle is built in Saltillo. It's a zero sum thing.

These jobs aren't "coming back". Zero jobs are being lost in the Mexico plant. In fact, over 250 new jobs are being created. All this does is create new jobs that were going to be created anyway and announced in a way that keeps Trump from negatively attacking their company on Twitter as he has done with several automakers in the past.

they'll last until the next fuel price spike.

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142 points · 5 months ago(54 children)

There’s an article about 215 jobs moving to Mexico but no article about 2,500 jobs moving to America lol.

People there legitimately don’t want to hear good news during GOP administrations and they don’t want to hear bad news during Democratic administrations.

13 points · 5 months ago

The jobs might be created, but they aren't "moving" since people in Mexico won't lose their jobs.

Doesnt that mean its even better? A win for the US and its not a loss for Mexico?

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I’m sure that made all the difference to /r/politics.

40 points · 5 months ago

I think that most Trump haters (nearly everyone it seems) would rather see everything go to hell than to actually have positive progress take place.

Bill Maher actually said that he was disappointed the economy didn’t collapse following Trumps election. It’s insane how insane some people are.

Utter hypocrisy considering McConnell was (rightly) excoriated for saying he hoped everything Obama did would fail even if it were to America's detriment.

And ironic considering the markets went down the day following Obama’s re-election.

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Trump Derangement Syndrome

I'm center-left, loathe Trump. But I'm so fucking sick of Trump Derangement Syndrome. People have been acting like he's a literal fascist for over a year now and I'm exhausted from trying to convince people that the country isn't imploding because of him.

Preach it.

But seriously, I consider myself socially liberal, fiscally conservative with a streak a libertarian thrown in for good measure. I get shit from both my right leaning friends for not defending every stupid thing trump says, and shit from my left leaning friends for not acting like the tax plan, or ending chain migration, or whatever will be the death of all we know in America.

It’s just disheartening to see people at each other throats when the country as a whole is doing fine. Could be better, could be worse but that’s no different than any other time in our history.

It's just so tiring to be accused of being a Nazi every time I have to defend sensible policy or try to stem the tide of hysteria. I've just given up and embraced it by trolling those people as hard as I can.

I told an extremely progressive friend of mine that I would hide her when the right wing death squads came for her. She seemed to take it in stride. The trolling opportunities are glorious.

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Yep. Some people just lost it after the election. It's what happens when your bubble of cognitive dissonance is so far removed from reality.

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Do Reddit show different people different posts? All I've got above your post is one saying this is good news for Michigan, one saying that it's all because of Trump and one complaining that Mexico was put in front of Michigan in the title. Or are you sorting by controversial? If that's the case you can't really try and pass it off as the view of the subreddit as it's been downvoted enough to be controversial...

10 points · 5 months ago

well they hate Fiat Chrysler now, that's for damn sure lol and don't get the started on Trucks are just compensatory tools for Rednecks

Damn right. Fuck the working man that built the home they live in, or more likely apartment they rent.

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First, move all auto jobs out of Michigan and let Michigan turn into a third world country. Lastly, move back to Michigan.

So, you're saying it's time to move back into Michigan?

For cheap labor, sure. Also a more stable government than Mexico.

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Ooooooh. They are bringing it to the U.S.

Ayyyyy Trump you still suck but this is ok

ha gotem

I've had nothing but problems with both of the rams I've owned. Absolute pieces of shit.

I'm really glad Burnt Chrysler is doing this.

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mAnUfAcTuRiNg JoBs ArEnT cOmInG bAcK

Manufacturing jobs Arent cominG bAck.

Took me a second

Absolute madman 👌🏻

I'm hear to see reddit have a stroke trying to internalize the benefits of the tax plan. After all, if John Oliver and Vox said its bad, then it must be bad.

Nobody though the tax cuts were not good for corporations.

It’s the healthcare and other bs in the bill.

But let his shiny thing distract you from everything else.

A cherry in a pile of shit is still a shit pile.

Most people on reddit are incapable of understanding the most basic principles of economics.

Our wages suck? Let's bring more people in that is bound to be a net plus for the economy. Except buissness are the only ones able to see the gain because they gain cheap labor.

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why are we cutting taxes on the top when the economy is doing okay and we have 20T in debt? no estimate says that the tax cuts will pay for themselves. now is the time to pay down our debt

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jesus, only reddit would complain about jobs returning to the U.S.

7 points · 5 months ago

I mean there aren't many comments here complaining about the move itself

8 points · 5 months ago

Democrats and leftists hate their own countries. If you arent actively doing something to undermine yourself and help others then life its not worth living.

Oh look another person who inaccurately calls people leftists yet whines endlessly about people being called Nazi's

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Thank you President Trump.

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2 points · 5 months ago

Fiat Chrysler WTF do you have to pull the motor out to change the plugs .

17 points · 5 months ago(11 children)

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Are we allowed to give trump any credit or is he still a nazi?

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Anyone that thinks this is related to the tax bill under the Trump administration, the FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne has said back in 2015 that building trucks here in America where they’re more profitable makes more sense, and was something coming down the pipeline. In 2015.

first sentence of the article

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is feeling good about tax reform. So good that it says it's moving some of its truck production from Mexico to Michigan.

Come on man this is Reddit, you can’t possibly have expected him to have read the article.

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Then the article also mentions they aren’t closing the plant in Mexico, just changing what they are going to be producing. Which makes me think this isn’t really about tax reform in the US, and more that Chrysler is doing well at the moment and decided to open another plant.

They are doing it to preempt a possible change in NAFTA. Most Ram trucks that are sold as non-commercial vehicles are sold in the US and Canada. Right now, there is no tariff on them, but there may be in the future. So what they did is move Ram pickups back into the US, and move production of commercial vehicles that sell a smaller proportion to the US to Mexico to take their place. It potentially lowers the amount of duty they have to pay around the world in the future.

They don't want their trucks to go the same route that VW's did with the chickens.

4th paragraph

"it is only proper that our employees share in the savings generated by tax reform and that we openly acknowledge the resulting improvement in the U.S. business environment by investing in our industrial footprint accordingly," CEO Sergio Marchionne said in a press release.

46 points · 5 months ago

In other words, "we already publicly announced having plans to do this years ago, but now we can attribute it to our massive corporate tax cut for good PR." Same as every last one of these stories about these disingenuous companies recently.

Meh, at least people are getting jobs out of all this.

Watch them convert the plant in Mexico to small cars. This shit happens all the time with car companies.

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They would be silly to close the Mexico plant - Mexico has free trade agreements with many countries that the US does not - They can sell trucks made in Mexico and incur fewer taxes than with trucks made in the USA. Remember, the US isn't the only market for cars and trucks, they get shipped all over the world.

My Mexico-built Nissan was $9998.00 in Canada. Cheaper than most motorcycles. I'm the brunt of a lot of jokes over it, but I laugh driving to the bank.

10 points · 5 months ago

That's called editorializing, mate. It's not a fact.

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6 points · 5 months ago

This particular move probably have more to do with the expectation that Trump will end NAFTA. So anything they make that will export to the US is better off made in the US. The new lower taxes is just icing on the cake.

They emailed their employees about the bonus and said it was because of tax reform. They literally said it was directly related.

Former employer once emailed me that the new management wouldn't result in any significant changes for us, 8 days later we came in to a closed up shop.

Same here. Former employer emailed all employees/partners about how great the upcoming merger with another firm was going to be for everyone. A few months later they laid off ~80 people due to redundancies created by the merger.

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This site will not allow this story to garner traction. This is terrific for our country no matter what agenda is being pushed here.

Yet here it is on the front page. 🤔

And the comments are all a mad rush to make sure no one accidentally gives credit to Trump or the GOP tax bill. Which is fine, except we all know that if the jobs had moved the other direction what the narrative would have been.

Well considering Trump tried to take credit for airline safety, I'm guessing people want to make sure he actually contributed to this, rather than trying to take credit for something else that isn't a result of anything he did at all.

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WhAt mAgIc wAnD DoEs hE hAvE???

Does this mean quality control will improve...

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