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TIL in the 1800s, a cult leader gave 600 acres of land to God but the State of Pennsylvania took possession and sold it because the Almighty didn’t pay His taxes.

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19.5k points·5 days ago

Couldn't he claim a religious exemption?

He didn't file the proper paperwork.

god damn it

I'm sure he did.

The average resident of Pittsburgh proves it.

U fuckin wut m8?

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Yinz fackin wat jagoff?

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I can't stand hearing yinz

I've never heard anyone use yinz but it looks disgusting.

You from eastern PA or what m8

I moved to Pittsburgh when I was 16 because of my parent's work and the grammar there is some of the worst on earth. They say something needs done rather than something needs to be done. Also they can't pronounce washed they say worshed. I needed an interpreter for the first 2 months and even still i felt like I was surrounded by boomhower from king of the hill

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Yes, i know.

Yinz don't have to be a jagoff, dahntahn is really nice now...

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Me: There's a Pittsburgh in Australia??

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God damned Philly but simply neglected Pittsburgh.

Obv not salutary neglect, amirite?

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Nah, if he needs more land he can just make more. Like he currently is doing in Hawaii.

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Imagine doing taxes without the help of tax programs. Hell on Earth

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Imagine having your taxes automatically done for you and just sent to you each year for approval?

Heaven on earth

92 points·5 days ago

Then how am I supposed to accidentally leave off all my crypto and Robinhood trades?

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Your crypto trades/transactions are not yet reported to the IRS by the exchanges so you should be okay there. Your Robinhood trades would have been reported to the IRS on a form 1099-b so you should report those. If you had a net gain on your robinhood trades that you did not report expect a letter or an assessment from the IRS. It could take them a few years to send it though.

9 points·5 days ago

Serious question. I only have one stock I got for free on ronin good. Since I technically earned like ~$4.50, do I technically have to report that somewhere?

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Depends on what you mean by technically earned 4.50 but I’ll explain how it should work...what ever the value of the stock was when you received it should be reported as “other income” on pg 1 of 1040. That value becomes your basis in the stock and then if the stock increases in value (and you sold it) you should report a capital gain of what ever the difference is between the basis(other income reported) and sale price.

A general rule of thumb is that small items totalling under $600 can be ignored. An alternative rule of thumb is to declare all income you wouldn't mind possibly paying 25%+ your effective rate on. The worst realistic outcome is the IRS levies a high penalty tax on the amount not paid. Most realistically absolutely nothing happens. It's also possible that the IRS sends you a correction letter, saying that they see that you forgot to declare something, they've recalculated for you, and you just sign a form and return it to them.

Keep using the 1040EZ, don't sweat $4.50. Contrary to popular belief the IRS is actually a very reasonable organization with a very pragmatic set of goals and priorities. You'll be fine.

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Also wait for a year and a day to pay less cap gains tax

if you still own it, definitely not because the gains are unrealized, meaning that even though on paper your asset is worth more, you haven't actually gotten the income in dollars off of it, so it is not taxable. (Basically this encourages holding and investing into assets like stock long term).

If you sold it for a profit of $4.50 then technically you owe taxes on that. If you held it for under a certain period it counts as income (basically day traders are considered to be making income by quickly turning stocks), if over the time threshold (one year I think) it gets taxed at the lower capital gains rate (again to encourage buy&hold of investments*).


That said for $4.50 there's almost literally zero chance anybody will notice or care, the cost of audit and recovery would be wildly above the ~.60 cents or so you owe.


* This also massively helps the rich who have most of their wealth in assets not cash and can afford to stick it in assets for over the threshold time. What to do about "capital gains" is an ongoing and extremely contentious question about wealth distribution.

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Imagine that this is completely possible and only doesn’t happen because Intuit makes sure the necessary legislation never goes through.

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Sweden does that

That's how it works in Norway :)

I only have to add things they can't know about like cryptocurrency trades and such.

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God lives in fear of what he created.

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Damnt Wizowski

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They tried, but God didn't sign the paperwork. He was too busy with more important matters, such as burning toast and tax evasion

21 points·5 days ago

Actually they didn't send enough thoughts and prayers.

And giving children leukemia

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When you don’t believe in yourself it means you lack self confidence. If God doesn’t believe in himself he’s an atheist.

I’m so, so confused

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I believe that I should be exempt from paying taxes. That’s my belief. If religion - a belief - can avoid taxes, why can’t other beliefs? Trillion dollar industry and they don’t pay taxes.. yeah, that makes sense... /s

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"In God We Trust. Except when it comes to paying back taxes, that we need to collect now."

Jesus saves but the State withdraws.

Last time I was in crazy-militia-town Michigan I saw some really great bumper stickers. My favorite was 'Jesus Saves, Obama Spends'

Jesus saves...for his family back in Mexico who can get a decent life overthere thanks to dollars being so expensive.

I heard that! I was in Mexico last week withdrew 5,000 pesos, +80 peso ATM fee; my bank statement said $267.71.

Many people seem to think that high numeric values=bad currency. This is completely wrong. Of course the mexican economy isn't nearly as strong as the US, but $267 also buy you 30,000 JP¥, and of course Japans economy is doing great.

Also Japan essentially operates as if there was no currency higher than a penny. It makes it really easy to if your from the US, just remove 2 zeros from everything and you have a general sense of what your spending.

Been to Japan many times, always have a good time.

Exactly. You could just as validly say that he withdrew 5,000 pesos, +80 peso ATM fee and his bank statement said 26771¢

What matters is purchasing power, and change relative to other currencies.

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I don't understand your Monopoly money but that sounds neat.

The further west I went in Michigan, the more I felt like I was home in Alabama.

Good ol' Michissippi.

Holy fuck that's a good one, I'm going have to start using that

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Baby Face Nelson?

Do not seek the treasure

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Everybody knows Jesus prefers Capitalism and hates the red menace.

The divine right of economies is a ancient, and inherent principle of Christianity.

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That place is now a barren wasteland. Some say it’s cursed to this day. It goes by the name of “Pittsburgh”

Not sure if you're mocking Pittsburgh or you actually live there. Either way it kinda works.

484 points·5 days ago

I sorta...liked Pittsburgh? Does it get worse when you live there or something?

655 points·5 days ago

Nope, it's a nice city and only getting nicer imo. I have seen bumper stickers that say "Keep Pittsburgh Shitty" though.

First time I ever went to Pittsburgh was in the late 1980s, the whole city smelled like an open sewer.

Its improved a lot, its like a completely different place, it was probably the steel mills that made it stink.

Yeah it still holds the image of a smoky steel mill town in a lot of peoples eyes but it’s the opposite now. It’s honestly one of the environmentally cleanest cities now

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As long as Big Ben's attitidue is in town, they're good to go.


trips while running down sideline

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This guy Steelers

This guy Stillers


I honestly can't believe he was such a dick about Rudolph, I thought he cared more about the Steelers but I guess not.

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angrily flies kite

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Yeah I visit Pittsburgh often enough and I love it. It's so pretty.

I've been going into the city pretty regularly since I was a kid, but I'll never get over how incredible the sight is when you come out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel and the heart of the city is just perfectly laid out in front of you.

I live here and that sight still never gets old.

I’ve heard it described as the only city with a front door

Bullshit. Everyone knows the tunnel monster eats anyone that tries to travel through the tunnel.

At least anyone that maintains their speed or doesn't slow to 10 mph.

Never been but it looks pretty

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When I’ve visited I’ve loved it.

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I played the fallout dlc, does that count?

Surprisingly enough, it's actually a fairly accurate map.

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I've lived here for 31 years. Getting worse or better is really just a matter of perspective, but it has definitely changed in a lot of ways. Also everything is under construction at all times.

I think that’s just a PA thing, I’m about 2 hrs. from Pittsburgh and everything here is also under construction, and yet they can’t seem to get the hang of potholes.

Someone told me that the state flower of Pennsylvania was the orange construction cone. “In the springtime, these babies pop up next to every pothole, and they bloom until the winter.”

State animal is this little guy 🚧

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From Cleveland, visit Pittsburgh every now and then. Pittsburgh is a fine town.

every town seems like a nice town when you're from Cleveland

As a comedian once said, "Cleveland is a factory of sadness".

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Lmao, to be fair Pittsburgh actually is decent as much as I hate the Steelers and Pens. The city has improved a lot.

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Hey, Cleveland is a place

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Most places get worse when you live there.

Better too, but also worse.

Not at all! I feel like it's in the middle of an awesome transition though. What used to be a city dominated by the steel industry has been moving towards a computer science and healthcare focus. You could probably throw banking in there too i.e. PNC bank.

Pittsburgh is also a film and theatre hotspot. Because of its proximity to NYC, Broadway talent often take up residence here, and producers have launched national tours based on Pittsburgh productions because it's cheaper to stage and launch here.

The joke in the theatre community is that "Pittsburgh is actually a small suburb of New York City."

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Pittsburgh is great! The people who don't like it have never been here or they're from Philthadelphia

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I really enjoyed my visit. Great museums and gardens. Excellent food. I was pretty happy. I've heard people don't like the winter but then again I lived in Rochester for a while...

Pittsburgh is esentially San Francisco with ice and snow.

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It's the fuckin hills man. It's one thing to have snow everywhere, but when you've got hills that look like 60 degree angles when you look up at them from the bottom, and they are covered in that slushy ice, snow, salt confection, it gets to be a little much.

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People from Pittsburgh hate Philly way more than the other way around. I'm from Pittsburgh but currently live in Philly.

People from Philly don't even really give Pittsburgh a second thought unless it's hockey related. Thats about it. Philly hates NYC and Boston more.

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Don't tell anyone that I'm from Philly and enjoy Pittsburgh more, then

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Pittsburgh, Ohio is kinda shitty. I saw a shirtless guy getting arrested in the parking lot of a Long John Silver's when I passed through. Unless they're talking about the other Pittsburgh which is alright I guess.

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I'm not bothered by your comment, but in reality Pittsburgh is pretty nice. We have potholes and bad public transportation, but overall I would contend that most people would enjoy living here.

I was just curious what OP's intent was. I've lived in PGH all my life.

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Mr. Rogers lived in Pittsburgh. There's no way it was cursed.

I think he grew up in a town a little outside of it called Latrobe. Curse back on

I believe that makes Pittsburgh his neighbor. Curse back off.

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according to the article, it said it was Sullivan county. Which is close to Williamsport. Almost 200 miles from Pittsburgh.

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1.3k points·5 days ago

There is also a law in PA, if your bank account is inactive for more than a year, you get a letter in the mail saying they are turning over the funds to the state. you have to fill out a form and send it back to keep your money...

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Except it's still your money, you just have to get it back from the state instead of the bank.

All states have an unclaimed funds department. And they're used for lots of things.

I had unclaimed funds from a state I used to live in because apparently I was paying the wrong rate on car insurance and my former former former carrier overcharged me. Since they couldn't find me, they sent the money to the state to hold on to.

372 points·5 days ago

well, thats kinda re-assuring.

Anyone can visit their states unclaimed funds website to see if they have money sitting. I suggest you do so, as they don't usually make any attept from there to locate you and let you know.

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What about that one guy Hassir from the treasury that called me about this though? He said I had a lot of unclaimed money and I just had to give him my social and credit card information to verify it was me.

checks out

He said the check would be coming in tho

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28 points·5 days ago

If they ask you to pay in gift cards it's normally legit.

Okay good. They said I needed 5 $100 MasterCard gift cards to release my funds.

You’re getting ripped off - I got mine released for a single $15 gift card for Chili’s

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That’s a scam, they only take iTunes gift cards

Dude! What are you waiting For! It's your money and you need it now!

I read that just like that damn commercial...

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Fun fact: if you have a bench warrant, owe child support or alimony or have been dodging creditors, the state unclaimed funds Websites are how a lot of those entities will find you.

They'll drop a couple hundred bucks in there and say they owe it to you but can't find you, and they'll do it under some unassuming name like "USA Insurance."

You call them up and are like "Hey I'm John Q. Public, where's my money?"

And they'll be like "He Mr. Public, can you just confirm your current address and your previous address?

And then you'll be like "Sure things: I'm at 123 Main Street, Anytown, PA, and I used to live at 789 Elm Street, Othertown ID."

Then they'll be all like "Gotcha sucka!"

Then you're back on the grid, and for some people the grid is not a happy place.

This guy fugitives

Calm down Mr. Gribble.

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I left $25 in a savings account in my old state (with a credit union no less) and after 2 years of inactivity they started charging a $5/mo. “Service fee” until they closed my account. So much for Freedom Credit Union.

Did they notify you? Is that legal?

Yeah. The best is when they do that and you don't notice but the account goes negative. Then they go after for the negative balance plus whatever fees and fines for having an overdrawn account.

If they charge you an overdraft fee for a fee they placed on your account, that’s called pyramiding fees, and actually illegal. There’s a federal regulation on that.

<3 Feds.

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My favorite is when they fuck with posting order in a way that incurs extra charges.

For example, let's say you have $500 in a savings account. Your bank institutes a $10/mo fee if the average daily account balance is below $250, because your bank sucks and you've never been bothered to switch to a CU. You transfer $495 on the 10th to buy an item.

You remember at 2pm on Friday the 31st that they're going to charge you $10 tomorrow, so you set up a transfer of $5 from your checking account to cover the fee, with the plan to go to a branch on Monday to close the account because you wised up and are moving your accounts to a no-fee credit union. According to the website, the transfer will post during batch processing that night, because your bank sucks remember?

The bank determines your ADB was below threshold that night so they post the fee of $10 first, then charge you a $35 overdraft fee since your balance is now $-5.00. Your balance is now $-40. Then they post your $5 transfer from checking, bringing your balance to $-35.

They send you a strongly worded email encouraging you to settle your negative balance within 5 days or they'll charge you another $35 fee.

Banks are great.

Who thinks of that shit?

Boss: Guys we need ideas to bring in money

Corporate grunt: How about we take money before putting money in so we can charge $1 fees

Boss: Genius, you deserve a raise but how will we pay it?

Corporate grunt: $15 fees it is

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And they tend to put more effort into letting you know you owe them money vs them owing you

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I'd guess it is legal because BofA did the same shit to me. Had one of those original "e-banking" accounts. The account was completley free, I guess the incentive on their end was to get your foot in the door and hopefully get you to sign up for a credit card later on.. But anyway I used it for a couple years and eventually switched to USAA as I turned like 20. I didn't use the account for 2 years same as him and they started charging a $5 a month service fee as well. same exact scam

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Thanks! I just checked because I was bored at work and now Texas is sending me 30 bucks and I have literally no idea why.

Except it's still your money, you just have to get it back from the state instead of the bank.

Most of it. Some banks (maybe all) have a dormant account fee, or an escheatment fee. Basically they take as much money as they can from you in fees before it's turned over to the state.

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Live in PA & want to see if the state owes you anything?

Also sounds like a scam site, but its actually legit. I worked at Wal-Mart for a week in high school, but quit. Never picked up my paycheck. That was 15+ years ago. I was able to get the money through that site

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The real tip is in the comments

Saving for later, ty :)

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bullshit. after a year they will contact you. They do not transfer until it’s been 3-5 yrs iirc.

This is for old fucks who forget they have bank accounts. Gov tells the banks hey, remind them you have their money. If they don’t respond in * more years, you need to give it to us.

Just checked PA. Minimum 3 years. You are confusing the dormancy status which happens after a year of inactivity and marks the beginning of the process. This is when the bank is trying to reach out to you to use the acct so it’s active again and reset this timer. They lose money when your money goes away, they don’t want you to have a dormant acct. This prevents banks from hoarding money and being sneaky about reminding someone who obviously forgot they have money there. If they remind them, odds are good the account will stay active. If not, perhaps the owner is dead and no one was aware of this account. State gets to use it until the claim for it is made. source: Worked for a bank that’s online and covers multiple states and google.

If your story happened to you. Your account went dormant after a year or more. It also went inactive before that. They tried to contact you to keep the account active. Instead with no account activity (transfer a dollar back and forth or just login online) your account stayed in dormant status until the time passed and they then notified you of the gov having to take your money.

Extra tidbit. Find your states unclaimed funds site. A small bit of info and they can mail you a check of what is owed. Anything that owed you money and could not deliver will be listed there. This includes financial errors, paybacks, even class action lawsuit settlements that may have occured without your knowledge. Best I got was less than $5 though lol

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Legally speaking, the county did not recognize the transfer of land to God, God of course not being a person or a company or any other entity that can own land or be taxed under the American legal system. It was the commune who didn’t pay their taxes and were forced to sell.

So a post with a misleading clickbait title and a comment section full of dad jokes and lame puns has 30k upvotes? Not on reddit surely?

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Yes on reddit. And don’t call me surely

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“Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

I always find it funny seeing Christian people spouting "taxation is theft!" when Jesus was all about paying taxes.

Well, wasnt all about it, more like told his followers to just pay their damn taxes rather than getting flogged by Romans

Most anarcho-capitalists I know are atheist, I think you're just getting your Conservative anecdotes mixed up.

108 points·5 days ago

We're talking about Libertarians (and many mainstream Conservatives, to a lesser degree), who are largely Christians.

What libertarians do you know? Check out r/libertarian. VERY few religious folks over there.

There's also very few Libertarians over there as well. The mods are just too Libertarian to do anything against them.

This is true.

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There are few religious folk on Reddit in general. Reddit is not representative.

what about R/atheism's attack on R/dankchristianmemes?

What about the droid attack on the Wookies?

The empire did nothing wrong.

Garlic bread! Get your garlic bread here!

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Go I will, good relations with the Christians I have.

r/prequelmemes is leaking again...someone get the mop.

It's treason then.

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It's too late, they've taken the high ground.

Your powers are useless here!

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Reddit very much is an echo chamber when it comes to both politics and religion. Unfortunately a lot of people who have similar views to Reddit do take Reddit to be representative of the world as a whole.

Very well said.

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Reddit is popular, but not universal. Subreddits are not thorough representations of populations.

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Saying "taxation is theft" doesn't necessarily mean you're against any and all taxes. It's possible to believe some theft is necessary and justified to solve some of society's problems.

It's exactly like saying, "war is murder," but understanding it's a necessary evil sometimes.

A big example would be you could argue income tax in the US is theft as no matter what, even if you work jn another country you owe the US income tax, and is something you never agreed to.

Whereas property taxes and sales taxes allows more of a choice, and is no longer theft.

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Cult leader tried to avoid property taxes with this bequest of land to God. This is so transparently trying to avoid taxes that Pennsylvania said, "Nice try. Now pay your taxes."

I wouldn't put it past the IRS to try to repossess heaven.

Repossession implies they had it originally, and we all know the IRS is nowhere near heaven.

They would apply a lien.

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Tax law is sometimes even stranger than that. State legal cannabis still pays federal income taxes. So, true story, money directly from federal illegal sales is being used indirectly to suppress state illegal sales. Even better, the IRS is using §280E against the businesses so the dispensaries to growers are paying tax on their gross income, not their net.

You have to pay taxes on dirty money. That's how Al Capone found himself in prison.

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There's no problem. If God needs more land, he can just make some.

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Ahem, don't you mean the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania?

OP's clearly not from the commonwealth

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Leave it to the IRS to even go after God

Yeah but they're still too scared to go after Scientology..

Scientology probably just makes sure that the agents assigned to looking at Scientology are Scientologist flunkies.

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I’m still not even sure what Scientologists believe. I’m a Christian btw. I just know Scientology is responsible for many bad things happening to their members or those related to their members in the past.

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never does..... but somehow always needs more money...

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Roughly half of my church's offerings go to pay the mortgage, and the other half funds their weekly food pantry. Last week we distributed groceries to 25 families in need, or around 100 people and half of them children. That's not counting the surplus that went to the homeless shelter at the end of the evening.

When some of the congregation wanted to sell the building and move to a "safer" neighborhood, the rest of the congregation voted to keep the church there in the poorer neighborhood, where the support could be most effective.

The budget is all public knowledge, and the congregation votes on it. The people who manage the various programs and finances are rotated among the congregation every two years.

EDIT For clarity's sake, by "roughly half" I mean around 40% each. The other 20% or so goes to fund our many other smaller programs, and to pay our three staff members. The mortgage and the food pantry are by far our church's two biggest monthly expenditures.

I like to believe this is a majority of churches, and that the misconception of money going straight into the pockets of officials is just sensationalized news. A few assholes giving everyone else a bad name, like everything in the world. I'm not religious, but I fully support helping the needy. Good on you and your congregation.

Naturally, the higher a church's visibility, the more likely this is not the case. Visibility costs money.

Yeah, I've always been of the mindset "if you have to advertise God, it's probably the wrong god."

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Small, local churches are mostly great. Sure, they have some problems with church politics and often backwards thinking (i.e. masturbation causes blindness so eat these boring graham crackers so you won't masturbate), but they generally do good work. The mega-churches though... those are the ones where they don't let people stay when the city is flooding, or have meth smoking pastors who diddle kids.

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Yep it is. It's mostly those stadium-like megachurches that are filled with greedy higher ups. Most other churches, Protestant and Catholic, are actually very charity focused, nonprofit, etc.

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I used to think it was one big scam, but that was actually before I got involved in a church and saw what was really going on. Our culture and media unfairly demonizes organized religion, but just like with anything else, there ARE some really shitty selfish greedy humans but the majority are not.

I think that a lot of our congregation prefers supporting those in need through the church's programs because everything is so transparent. People say "Well, the government has programs. Welfare/foodstamps, etc" but those are riddled with red tape, bureaucracy, and partisan politics.

I'm glad that there's an additional safety net from the various church programs that can supplement what our gov't already offers.

Also I feel it's necessary to note that there is absolutely zero preaching to the people who come to the pantry. It's very much like any other program...people come, line up, sign a little paperwork, and go home with a bunch of food. No BS, and nobody gets turned away. One or two people have been banned for re-selling their food in the parking lot, but other than that there is NO judgement whatsoever. If you come, you will get food. Nobody is judging whether or not you need or deserve the help.

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it's because he's hooked on....angel dust.

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Guess he should have donated to a church instead.

He left it to God but the devil got his hands on it

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Actually it’s the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Yo. You're welcome.

Didn't even have the decency to change the title, you reposting little bitch.

Instructions unclear. He didn't specify which god.

The Lord giveth. The state taketh away lol

The leader should have built a stadium on the land. Then, taxpayers would continue to foot the bill on his behalf.

What did they expect, he's also a dead beat dad.

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