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[–]SaraBinks 667 points668 points  (194 children)

Years ago this happened where I live. Same story: a small group of women went topless, refused to cover up, took it to court and they won. When the beaches and pools opened the following summer, everyone was on tenterhooks expecting to see topless women everywhere. It never happened. It's legal for women to go topless here, but they just don't. I do remember seeing a woman riding a motorcycle topless though - not sure that was a very good idea - legal or not.

[–]redemption2021 463 points464 points  (121 children)

That is the beauty of free expression. It is not about actually doing it, it is about being able to do it if you should want to.

[–]Chi-lan-tro 202 points203 points  (90 children)

I think it's less about free expression as about the fact that there shouldn't be gender-based laws. That's my take on it.

[–]viverator 127 points128 points  (33 children)

There are just too many laws dictating how we should live. Unless my action puts you in physical peril or loss of property then the government should keep its fucking nose out of my business.

[–]dmpastuf 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Problem always comes down to people having lots of great ideas about how other people should live their lives.

[–]The_Grubby_One 18 points19 points  (7 children)

I would also prefer you not show your dick to my kids.

[–]Xanthelei 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Difference is, guys can go topless anywhere without decency laws kicking in, while women can't - but no one can walk around with their junk out without facing censure. You can't even claim equal but different in this case. And last I checked, guys have nipples too, just usually not a ton of fat under them.

[–]The_Grubby_One 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I'm not arguing against women going topless. I'm arguing against the statement that there shouldn't be laws restricting anything except bodily and property harm.

This statement:

There are just too many laws dictating how we should live. Unless my action puts you in physical peril or loss of property then the government should keep its fucking nose out of my business.

It shouldn't be legal for you to walk around with your balls out. It shouldn't be legal for you to fuck a cow on the Main Street sidewalk. It shouldn't be legal for you to run up to a woman waving a severed, still bleeding horse's head in her face. There are things that are not directly physically harmful to people and property that should be illegal.

[–]make_love_to_potato 17 points18 points  (2 children)

And without these people, we would not have that lovely video of that nice lady skydiving with her boobs and vag flapping in the wind. I was banned from posting it once so I won't post it again.

[–]Trenchft 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All about freedom. If I buy a viper, I'll only be able to do the speed limit but...

[–]numismatic_nightmare 36 points37 points  (8 children)

That sounds like a good way to lose a nipple.

[–]Nestangi 33 points34 points  (6 children)

More like a whole tit, scraping the road with any reasonable speed can have enough force to actually tear it off...

[–]numismatic_nightmare 81 points82 points  (5 children)

Highway Mastectomy, band name, calling dibs.

[–]Wraithpk 27 points28 points  (3 children)

It's legal for women to walk around topless in New York City, but in the two years I lived there I never saw anyone do it.

[–]StopCallingMeGeorgia 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I would love to have the right to feed my baby the same way in my yard or at the pool that I do in my living room. I would utilize this right for sure. Sadly it is very illegal where I live.

[–]Zoklett 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yea, i feel like every other year a group of women do this. I’m all for legalizing bare breasts. The only really reason it’s illegal is the same reason they make women cover their face in sharia law countries: because it’s assumed men can’t help themselves and they are inviting rape. I don’t particularly accept that, nor do I believe it is a reality, and I imagine most of reddit agrees. However, even where it is legal, tradition of covering up tends to prevail.

[–]SaraBinks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agreed. We have to expect more of men because they are capable of being better. Assuming they can't control themselves is suggesting that they are weak and childlike.

[–]TouristsOfNiagara 2008 points2009 points  (189 children)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this will change nothing. We adapted this law decades ago in Canada, and I've yet to see a nice tit in the wild. Sorry.

[–]bungleguy 533 points534 points  (85 children)

Legal to be publicly naked in most of Oregon as long as you aren't visibly aroused or actively stripping. Still pretty rare. Most people just don't feel like being naked in public.

[–]MuonManLaserJab 527 points528 points  (52 children)

Legal to be publicly naked in most of Oregon as long as you aren't visibly aroused

So, I'm legally walking around naked and unaroused...

And then some particularly fetching person walks by, also legally walking around naked, and suddenly I'm visibly not-legal. Seems like a dangerous game.

[–]DefiantLemur 179 points180 points  (37 children)

That's how they get you. I'd never risk my chances. Also being naked anywhere even by accident around children can land a jail sentence

[–]Marcie_Childs 73 points74 points  (30 children)

So... how does anybody get to go around naked? lol. Are there public areas that ban children in OR?

[–]doobtacular 106 points107 points  (19 children)

Have you played a videogame called Metal Gear Solid?

[–]DetectiveDing-Daaahh 63 points64 points  (1 child)

Well, to avoid a charge in Oregon, you're better off playing Metal Gear Flaccid.

[–]Marcie_Childs 26 points27 points  (15 children)

No. Is this related to the conversation?

[–]ABigBunchOfFlowers 121 points122 points  (9 children)

There's a famous part of the game where your player character is naked and sneaking through an enemy base. I think he's suggesting that the naked person could backflip everywhere and hide in lockers to avoid attention.

[–]zumpiez 56 points57 points  (5 children)

oh the famous part where he has a boner in public and he has to sneak past the playground to get back to the safety of his house

[–]chikenugets 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you are hiding from children in a bush while naked you are definitely going to jail

[–]iknowhowtofight 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I lived in Oregon for a year and took a trip to a nude beach (first time). Was walking around with my girlfriend naked when a boat full of children and parents pull up on shore. It was so bizarre... I couldn't understand why children were being brought to a nude beach, but there they were. Guys with dick rings were just feet away from them. I got out of there ASAP, and well, let's just say I no longer live in Oregon.

"Keep Portland weird" - Yeah, I'll pass.

[–]Marcie_Childs 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I actually know a few nudists. Some older people. Original hippies, y'know. They raise their family that way. Being nude just isn't sexual or taboo for them.

[–]I-Am-McLovin 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I’m not sure about the “around children” part. I think that’s made up. We don’t arrest women who bare their nipples to feed their children.

I’ve seen topless women in Eugene before - downtown and on bike paths. No arresting was going on.

[–]TheWizardDrewed 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Nope, it just never happens. It's a common thing to joke about it in highschool, like joke about jogging naked, or nude races and whatnot. Pretty sure there's something about you have to be moving (ie exercising or briskly walking to somewhere you can get clothes). Loitering or attempting to talk to people will get you in trouble quickly, and being anywhere near a school while nude is way not allowed (obviously).

[–]ImAScientist_ADoctor 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Just to be clear, I'm safe if I have a boner and NOT nude?

[–]TheWizardDrewed 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yup, since it is involuntary. Just as long as you aren't rubbing yourself or loitering.

[–]ImAScientist_ADoctor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dang, well, thank you for the warning.

[–]aSternreference 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What if you are rubbing yourself and loitering? Do two wrongs make a right in this case?

[–]Proxy_7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, but three lefts do.

[–]aSternreference 11 points12 points  (2 children)

"Your honor, I was erect but not aroused. There is a difference."

[–]SaraBinks 40 points41 points  (7 children)

What do you do with your hands for starters.

[–]Selfweaver 69 points70 points  (3 children)

That depends, if you are happy and you know it, clap your hands.

Never figured out what too do if sad and drunk.

[–]hypercube42342 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well, then you’re probably not aroused. you’re fine.

[–]8__ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Put them in your pock—oh.

[–]SaraBinks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Someone should design a belt with pockets attached - "pockets for the nude".

[–]RawScallop 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I get harassed enough already. If I went around tits out, there is always some motherfucker who thinks he can touch them. And plenty of people will have shit to say....and it will be all my fault for not putting on a shirt.

I'll just stay topless in the safety and warmth of my home. Good enough for me.

[–]msgsquared 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Ever go to the Naked Bike Ride? Over 10,000 naked peeps; a sea of flesh. It's fun.

[–]sirfistyass 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And if you’re a lady, how can you tell. Seems unfair.

[–]KyrgyzManas 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Europe wants to have a word with you. Here in Vienna there's in the middle of the city a huuuuge island in the Danube river solely for nudists. In summer there are THOUSANDS of people enjoying the sun naked.

[–]Scabbiel 284 points285 points  (41 children)

Dude it is cold over there. Who the fuck walks around with less clothes when it is snowing?

[–]Streamjumper 194 points195 points  (29 children)

Never met someone from a cold region, have you? Your parka weather is someone else's shorts and t-shirt weather.

[–]Radidactyl 57 points58 points  (22 children)

Can confirm. Used to live in the Midwest where 55 was a nice day. Moved down South for work and now 55 is jacket weather.

[–]Cetun 36 points37 points  (17 children)

Can confirm, in Florida if its under 70 degrees people turn the heat on in their house and complain unmercifully about how cold it is outside.

[–]intoxicatedpancakes 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Up here in Oregon, that's hot. That's when you throw on the shorts and tank tops and complain about how much you're sweating.

[–]Deomon 5 points6 points  (6 children)

It’s -13f up here in canada today. At 70f i’ll actually sweat.

[–]mweahter 9 points10 points  (1 child)

In Arizona, anything under 70 is jacket weather.

[–]matthevv3 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Who the fuck walks around with less clothes when it is snowing?

A lot of young women. I lived in a university city in Canada right where the students were and I regularly saw women wearing skirts and short shorts in the middle of winter when it was -15C.

[–]Optical_Fallacy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hell, I moved from up north to Ontario and would frequently step outside in just a t-shirt when I first moved here.

[–]tomytronics 47 points48 points  (7 children)

I've been to Canada and this is the only tit I've seen so far. (SFW)

[–]jeffyteffe 62 points63 points  (3 children)

Don't even need to open that to know that's a bird.

[–]Painting_Agency 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Of course there's also this (NSFW).

[–]MoueOfAPout 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's true, it will change nothing so it doesn't matter. But you agree that a topless women violates our modesty law (unlike topless men) and they should be arrested for showing ladynipple, right?

[–]TouristsOfNiagara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. I'm all for equality in all things. I would like to see less male nipples, if we are being frank.

[–]leoyoung1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have seen them, in Canada, in the wild. As in, miles down a path in the wilderness.

[–]SixPackAndNothinToDo 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Come to Australia, they’re standard and most beaches. It’s generally just women sun baking who want an even tan.

[–]usernumber36 20 points21 points  (3 children)

can deny. am australian. wtf beaches are you going to?

[–]Cosmicpalms 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pretty much any beach in Sydney for half of the year. I work at bondi and it is fucking crazy down there.

[–]flamboyant_bastard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually, he's right. It's not like a titty fest or anything but you can spot a pair or 2 on your average day. At least in Sydney you can.

[–]poopsack_williams 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Illegal here in QLD technically I believe

Edit: Nvm, illegal to be fully nude. Topless is legal

[–]PepperballsLMAO 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I am in support of unsupported breasts.

[–]Angry_Sapphic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Going back to undershirts rather than bras has been so nice. Im saving money, and not in pain from sharp underwire any more. (The undershirt means that there's almost 0 movement, even going up or down stairs)

[–]misc-13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I went from bras with wires to no wire bras and finally to fuck it why am I wearing bras anyway? It's not like I need any support, they're small.

[–]Nichijo 187 points188 points  (12 children)

I knew two women who got arrested for going topless at the beach. They were not allowed to put their tops back on for the ride to the police station. They posted bail, and plead not guilty, saying that the law discriminated against women. The judge agreed, and dismissed the case. No lawyers, no supreme court, just a reasonable judge after some horny cops. They said that they waited in the car for a long time outside the cop shop, and other cops came out to check them out.

[–]torakwho 129 points130 points  (5 children)

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

"We're arresting you for breaking the law! But I won't let you stop breaking it! You gotta break it for my pleasure the whole way back!"

The Miss Trunchbull "eat the whole cake" method of law enforcement

[–]redemption2021 93 points94 points  (3 children)

It isn't dumb, it is criminal. Sounds like the police in this situation abused their positions. If they truly thought it was a crime they absolutely should have had the women cover up.

[–]irish_iiii 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Supporters of the bill warned that allowing women to go bare-breasted at beaches could lead to scenes of topless women at libraries and Little League games."

If it would make up for all those men going topless at libraries and little league games, why not? 😒

[–]DingDongInDaPingPong 136 points137 points  (188 children)

[–]Danilowaifers 183 points184 points  (9 children)

The irony of a NSFW tag on this story is pretty deep.

[–]redemption2021 43 points44 points  (7 children)

More so if you consider the pic posted contains no actual breasts.

EDIT: I have been corrected,. There is a lone boob in there.

[–]TheEdinburgher 62 points63 points  (2 children)

Clearly you need more practice in the art of breast spotting

[–]redemption2021 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I now know I am horrible at spotting breasts

[–]aravarth 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The boobs are all taking pictures. There’s a single visible breast.

[–]clovisx 147 points148 points  (117 children)

I have a feeling if female nudity was more common, it would be less of a big deal. There would be an adjustment period but people need to get over this sex shaming culture and making people feel weird about their bodies.

Half of the population has breasts, vulvas and vaginas. The fact that they are treated like the weird ones because they make penises hard is unfair. It's not their fault and they shouldn't have to repress themselves to make men feel comfortable.

Edit: weird not wired

[–]mors_videt 65 points66 points  (37 children)

I support this both for actual equality and also for boobs, but the dudes in that pic are fucking creepers.

[–]Felinomancy 32 points33 points  (0 children)

lol I thought it's for the right to appear topless in the state's high court which, I have to admit, is rather unprofessional.

[–]Grape_Swisher_Thot 42 points43 points  (1 child)

When I was living in Spain for some time, I experienced extreme culture shock. Women of ANY age could go topless at the beach. NO ONE CARED. None of the boys/men were being pigs. They weren't taking photos, or pointing at exposed breasts. It was just accepted. I felt so alive and free without my top on. To know that no one was looking down on me, nor sexualizing me was the greatest experience of my life.

[–]ledivin 431 points432 points  (198 children)

Supporters of the bill warned that allowing women to go bare-breasted at beaches could lead to scenes of topless women at libraries and Little League games.

Okay. And?

They said they were trying to protect families and children.

From what? What harm will come from children seeing women's breasts?

[–]tellittrue 200 points201 points  (19 children)

When was the last time you saw a shirtless guy at the library or baseball game?

[–]ashtoken 101 points102 points  (1 child)

No shirt no shoes no service.

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (11 children)

Guys go shirtless at sporting events all the time

[–]spacepunker 59 points60 points  (6 children)

At Little League games? I don’t think so.

[–]Dbr0wn 115 points116 points  (2 children)

You have not met my dad

[–]kefkai 9 points10 points  (1 child)

If you're not drunk yelling at some kids without your shirt on at a little league game you're not having a good time, those kids sure aren't gonna provide the entertainment on their own.

[–]Underwater_Karma 29 points30 points  (1 child)

and we pretty universally don't like it when they do.

[–]leapbitch 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Once heard an old man in a stadium yell about a younger fan with his shirt off, "poor feller, my nipples are freezing off and my shirt is on!"

[–]abburdlen 85 points86 points  (4 children)

I don't go to many (any to be exact) little league games but anyone walking into my local library without a shirt is asked to cover up or leave.

Another case of those "if we undo this particular norm we'll have to get rid of ALL NORMS!!!"

[–]alfvlc99 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Lol. Are they serious? How is being at the beach comparable to being naked at the library? As far as I know, I, as man, can be legally shirtless in the beach, and I doubt I can do the same thing in the library, or at the very least it wouldn't be socially acceptable. How the hell can they argue this unironically?

They said they were trying to protect fanilies and children.

Wow, careful, looking at breasts could seriously harm your children for the rest of their lives. /s America's level of social conservatism is just ridiculous.

[–]GameRoom 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'll only bottle feed my children. Don't want to tempt them with any scandalous nipples.

[–]KUZGUN27 267 points268 points  (7 children)

They’ll start dancing with the colored folks.

[–]Grimalkin 136 points137 points  (5 children)

And experimenting with the Devil's Lettuce.

[–]BroChick21 96 points97 points  (2 children)

And form unions.

[–]western_red 68 points69 points  (0 children)

This thread is like Jeff Sessions worst nightmare.

[–]boogiebuttfucker 21 points22 points  (0 children)

How dare you

[–]DoktorSteven 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Jazz cigarettes.

[–]CakeAccomplice12 116 points117 points  (7 children)

Don't you remember the rash of sexual deviancy that resulted from the Janet Jackson Superbowl incident!?!?!

....yeah, me neither

[–]-Mopsus- 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Next thing you know the kids will start playing Dungeons and Dragons while listening to Black Sabbath!

[–]clovisx 64 points65 points  (4 children)

Unless you mean the gigantic Christian conservative letter writing circle jerk that brought the FCC on full force against any questionable content, I don't remember anything either

[–]faaltek 41 points42 points  (3 children)

It did have a benefit. Live TV is now 5 seconds delayed to allow for any censorship needed. Like if some guy blows his brains out on live TV they have the chance to cut the feed before anyone sees it.

[–]tamezadi 25 points26 points  (1 child)

cut the fees

One thing that cable will NEVER do is "cut their fees".

[–]errorsniper 40 points41 points  (0 children)

The thing that drives me absolutely mad about the people that get so offended by the human body is that they will turn around and let their 10 year olds play M rated games all day unsupervised with no context without batting an eye. Kill everyone in sight with a machete in the middle of the street in GTA till you get gunned down by the cops? Perfectly fine. Fuck a hooker off screen then murder her to get your money back? Perfectly fine. Bring your kids to movies like Deadpool? Yep no problem. Show the human body in a nonsexual context? DEAR SWEET BABY JESUS CHRIST LORD IN HEAVEN THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Like are you kidding me? Its not hardcore skat murder snuff porn. Its just the human body. Its not even sexual.

[–]PM_ME_ALL_THE_BOOBIE 57 points58 points  (37 children)

The problem is people equate nudity with sex or pornography.

[–]ledivin 42 points43 points  (15 children)

Well that's certainly never going to change if we keep enforcing the association

[–]Dont_Be_Ignant 15 points16 points  (17 children)

The problem is people equate nudity women's breasts, and not men's breasts, with sex or pornography.

Fixed it.

[–]throwaway_ghast 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Blame our Puritan roots.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

But children will see the natural human body! They'll grow up perverts and sinners

[–]TinfoilTricorne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What harm will come from children seeing women's breasts?

Young children will think it's time for snacks.

[–]zarfytezz1 26 points27 points  (25 children)

Exactly, it's pathetic. The government has no right, none at all, to criminalize nudity, anywhere, in any way shape or form. People "being offended" means nothing. "Think of the children" means nothing. Either something causes harm and you can prove it, or it doesn't and you have to leave it the fuck alone. These laws completely lack a "legitimate governmental interest" and it's a wonder the Supreme Court hasn't struck them all down

And then people will tell me "r u rlly defending nudity I mean do you want to see ugly naked fat people on your morning walk?" No, I don't want to see ugly naked people. What the fuck is the relevance of that? Who cares what I want? I have half-a-brain enough to realize I don't get to have people arrested and thrown in jail just for doing things I "don't want" them to do. It's their choice, not mine

[–]quisquiliae_pandam 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Shit, I don’t even want to see dressed ugly people in public. Yet just the same it is not up to the government to prevent their presence from ruining my mood.

[–]throw15atx 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Glad my wife can do that at Barton springs if whe wants to. She from New Hampshire as well lol. If men can show their chests than women should have the option as well.

[–]Depressedchef 99 points100 points  (20 children)

You can already show the entirety of a breast, except the nipple. But male nipples are okay. Someone actually did this really funny project where they photoshopped a male nipple onto a female breast.

Fun fact: men's nipples are functionless and only exist because they begin to develop before male sex hormones are released to develop the fetus into a male. Therefore, I would say ALL nipples are female! Chuck Norris' and Arnold Schwarzenegger's too!

[–]redemption2021 12 points13 points  (3 children)

genderless nipple Instagram. This is exactly what it sounds like. Don't open if you are not allowed to look at nipples where you are.

[–]FlameOnTheBeat 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?

[–]SixPackAndNothinToDo 119 points120 points  (50 children)

America is so strange. You guys go on and on about how amazingly “free” your country is.

Yet you can’t do something as simple as sunbake without a top on.

This is standard fare on any Australian beach and no one bats an eye.

[–]im_a_dr_not_ 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Half can sunbathe without a top on actually

[–]Oerthling 58 points59 points  (14 children)

Standard fare on terran beaches outside of the US.

It's always fun to see debates within the US where people speculate about the terrible consequences of changes - when the non-terrible consequences are a daily reality outside the US.

As a European I apologize to the US: We did export most of our religious fanatics to the new world over several centuries.. That wasn't fair. Sorry about that.

[–]PancakeMagician 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Y'know, we have nude and topless beaches in the U.S. as well. And there are also states that it's legal to be topless in public. The vast majority of women just don't want to go topless, and I don't blame them. And for those saying that girls will be just walking around malls and public buildings with there boobs hanging out, it's just not going to work like that. There are still "no shirt, no shoes, no service rules", and nothing is just going to change what is viewed as socially acceptable for girls AND guys to wear in public.

[–]Woyaboy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Its cool man. Can y'all start exporting some cool people to help offset this whole thing?

[–]rocketwidget 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is in New Hampshire too. The state's official motto is "Live Free or Die", lol. It's probably the most well known state motto of all 50 states.

[–]sfdsquid 52 points53 points  (10 children)

This is just so silly. Many women have smaller tits than a lot of guys with moobs - so why are female breasts obscene but men can walk around tits out? We should just use our brains and lose the puritanical uptight misguided faux outrage over the fact we have bodies.
Most guys have the sense to cover up when it’s not appropriate to go topless; I’m pretty sure most women are capable of at least that degree of propriety.

[–]KJ6BWB 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Either allow women to go topless or bar men from going topless. It's not rocket science.

[–]Trobis 23 points24 points  (13 children)

First off i'm neither against or for this movement but can someone explain something to me.

Are under-aged girls allowed to go topless in public?

Yes? Then i stand corrected.

No? Then doesn't that mean there's something inherently sexual about breasts, and since no one is going to bat an eye at an under-aged boy shirtless.

[–]L490 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Im from the UK and it's completely normal to have toddlers running around nude at beaches or whatever, or then both boys and girls might wear pants (but no top) as little kids. Girls chests start to get covered in public from a young age, despite puberty not occurring yet and physically looking the same as a boy.

[–]Trobis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not just talking about toddlers, under-aged teens.

[–]PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Laws that allow women to be topless in public don't discriminate about age.

[–]RVA2DC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The beaches I've been to that are topless allow any girl the opportunity to sunbathe topless. Whether she's 5, 15, or 95. Sure, many choose not to for whatever reasons, but all have that right.

Hell, most european beaches have little kids running around completely naked. The public shower areas, many people will strip naked (albeit briefly) to completely shower off any sand and put back on normal clothes.

It's just really not a big issue in the rest of the world.

[–]WalkingCasino 67 points68 points  (34 children)

Women should be able to go topless anywhere men can and do so without being groped or harassed.

[–]caza-dore 85 points86 points  (29 children)

This is where the argument breaks down. You can argue breasts are sexual in nature, at which point having them touched without consent constitutes sexual harassment. Or you can say they are a non-sexual organ similar to male nipples that should be freely displayed, in which case it shouldn't be any bigger deal for someone to touch a breast without consent than an arm, because seeing a breast is no different than seeing an arm. (There should still be consequences, just not special ones for breast touching vs other touching. Most people don't like being grabbed rudely by the arm either). But breasts can't be sexual when its helpful for the argument and non-sexual when its helpful for a different argument. Either they are or they aren't.

[–]MistYeller 23 points24 points  (0 children)

While I largely agree with you, I think using feet as an example instead of arms illustrates that you can in fact have body parts which are not sexual (for many of us) but can still be groped in a sexually assaulting manner.

Accidentally touching a foot (boob): not sexual assault.

Fondling a foot (boob) without consent: creepy sexual assault.

But yes, there cannot be a bright line separating the two. Context like behavior is important.

[–]JoeFjall 60 points61 points  (3 children)

It's got nothing to do with breast being sexual in nature. You can't touch someone's thigh in the same way that you can touch someone's arm, it can easily be construed as sexual harassment. It’s perfectly acceptable for someone to wear shorts though. It's all to do with intent on the part of the toucher.

For another, admittedly extreme, example children are non-sexual by nearly all metrics. Not only are they not found to be sexual, but they don't have anything like as strong a concept of sexuality as it develops during puberty. Would you suggest that children can't be sexually harassed?

[–]caza-dore 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Absoluetly, the intent of the toucher is important. However so is the social construction of the body. Thigh touching, much like butt touching, is currently construed as sexual because of the suggestive proximity to sex organs. Since breasts are assumed to be sexual in nature currently, most breast contact is assumed to be with a sexual intent. If breasts aren't sexual, one of the main points being argued, then it then becomes incumbent to prove that the contact was sexual in nature.

As another poster pointed out, feet (currently mostly non-sexualized) can be sexualized in certain contexts. But it becomes incumbent to prove that since they are not sexual by default. Unwanted and creepy foot contact can happen, but unless someone is jerking off, rubbing themself, etc it becomes difficult to argue sexual harassment as opposed to just unwanted contact. Something about the toucher has to make it sexual, since the specific body part in question isn't.

The children example follows suit. They are not inherently sexual creatures, but most sexual harassment of children involves either their sex organs or the harassing party's sex organs.

The whole point of this being: if women are arguing that breasts should be allowed to be displayed freely because they are not sexual, but also feel that most contact with their breasts is sexual, then there is a disconnect that needs to be explored. Why is it that breast contact would make someone feel more uncomfortable than foot, neck, or calf contact? Is it that the person who's breast is being touched, rather than the toucher, still places a sexual construction on the breast?

I'm just not sure if society has really broken down our sexualization of the body to where breasts are non-sexual in the way those who are arguing for more relaxed nudity laws would attest we have.

[–]mdraconis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Love your explanation of this thank you.

[–]WalkingCasino 44 points45 points  (21 children)

Touching a man's nipples without consent is now sexual harassment.

Problem solved?

[–]RightSideClyde 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who am I to argue with them? SET ‘EM FREE LADIES!

[–]johnrnelson 31 points32 points  (4 children)

I support this idea whole heartedly!

[–]YellowButterfly1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Anywhere that men can go topless, women should also be able to go topless.

[–]Tymalic 28 points29 points  (35 children)

I mean, boobs... Big whoop? Anyone should be able to wear what they want.

[–]NEGATIVE193BLOOD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

woman i stand behind your cause to be topless

[–]barto5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've always been a big supporter of women's rights.

[–]VonHermanhauser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's been a right in New York City for a long time, most women just don't know about it.

I mean it's only fair, what the fuck, it's just a pair of nipples, and men have them too.

Every fetus starts out technically female from a chromosome standpoint, and that's why men end up with nipples

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of women don't want to go topless. Same with men, but it should be equal. It is not about doing it, it is about equal treatment by the law.

[–]Beef_Lightning 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure why it's even a law to begin with. People should be free to express themselves in whatever way they want.

[–]Lishy1_5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It should be legal, but just a heads up: In every place it's legalized, women still prefer to wear tops.

[–]gnovos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Show some respect for these women and let us see their boobs, you sexist cowards.

[–]OPSaysFuckALot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I support a woman's right to go topless.

[–]mavtastickush66 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would anyone not want this?

[–]sbot_crafter 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I think it should be legal, but I don't expect too many people will be quick to exercise that right. As a dude, I have no breasts, but I still hate showing off my bare chest. It just feels awkward to have the nips on display. Even sometimes when wearing a tight shirt in the cold, it just feels weird. It'd feel even more awkward, I imagine, for someone with actual mass behind them.

That being said, nursing women will probably get something out of it.

[–]StopCallingMeGeorgia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nursing mom here and you hit the nail on the head. My baby is old enough to have some head control and he switches sides on his own and frequently. At home I don't wear a top and when we're out it's a giant frustrating hassle to feed him because he has the patience of... well, a baby.

[–]cerpcerpcerp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In Australia topless sunbathing is very common and hasn’t caused any issues. We never really come across too many situations with creeps hitting on girls, however it’s always hilarious going to the beach with female friends who just whip it out without warning.