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AT&T Met With Ajit Pai in Barcelona Shortly After Cohen Payment

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11.4k points · 1 month agoGilded1

It's not just the fact that these people are corrupt that gets me. But rather how flagrant and in-your-face and callous they are about it.

Ajit Pai was caught stealing identities to bolster his argument in favor of repealing - and his reaction was to make a video dancing and mocking people concerned about him dismissing millions of comments in opposition. "Hey at least you'll still get to post memes!"

When the hell will these corrupt scumbags be taken out in handcuffs?

The head of the FCC committed mass identity theft.

3.2k points · 1 month ago

The head of the FCC is also rich, richer now that he's been bribed to be the fall guy by the telecoms. Rules and laws only apply to people who aren't rich. As is very obvious lately, anyone with money suddenly can just ignore any law they don't like and get away with it because, again, money.

Jailing one of these assholes, and sending them to a "pound you in the ass" prison, not a nice white collar prison, would be a very large statement and I nominate Shit Pai as the first in a long line of people that it needs to happen to. Followed by the CEO and CFO of Comcast, Verizon, Cox, and the other major Telecoms.

Yep. Alice Walton killed a dude while drunk driving and speeding and got the charges dropped lol. Drunk driving a few years later and hit a gas meter and paid like a $900 fine which is like a half a penny for most of us on here.

Your post made me curious so I calculated the percentage. Her net worth is $40,000,000,000. Writting that out boggled my mind. The median net worth of a person in the US is $45,000.

A dollar to us is $888,888 to her. A penny is $8,888 and your half a penny is $4,444. Fun times.

EDIT:. Oh and the best part, it's a tenth of a penny to her.

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369 points · 1 month agoGilded1 · edited 1 month ago

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Yep...similarly in Texas a few years ago the cop who arrested her for DWI was suspended and couldn't testify in court.

167 points · 1 month ago

What the fuck

Money can get you very far when the legal system is pay-to-play.

He was a good mod, but we had to let him go.


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Runs in the family. We have a hit and run drunk Walton in Colorado who has forced Walmart Charter Schools through the State Board of Ed over the objections of every local school board. They set up shop across the street from a successful Montessori advertising “Montessori-like” education for a fraction of the cost.

At first they covered up the fact that “Great Works” is a Walmart store brand school, but once they realized the state board doesn’t actually care, they’re pretty bold about it now.

This is the first I've heard of Walmart schools. WTF.

You’ve probably heard of my school district though. Jefferson County had to recently get rid of our entire school board because unqualified and even dangerous “charter schools” were rubber stamped by people who were on the board BECAUSE they worked for these terrible charter school companies. At one point, our district’s lawyer (who had the position created for him) was also the lawyer in another created position for a neighboring school district (another rubber stamp board at the time) and he was also a board member on the least qualified charter school company that got a lot of the contracts.

We are seeing some bad complaints coming through from the first batch. As in spouses of principals straight up stalking kids in the elementary school because her dad is a critic of the charter company. Guy just sat there staring at this kid in her classes day after day, followed her around the playground, she was terrified to be at school. The principal doesn’t see a thing wrong. In any other school system his presence in her classes would be an immediate fireable offense. Imagine what children aren’t saying.

We’ve had years of protests now, we have done everything we can at the county level, and the State Board just pushes right over us. Guess who their donors are.

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This isnt anything new, Ted Kennedy drove off the side of a road while drunk with a passenger in his car, killing the passenger and walked out unscathed both from the accident and from the law and still became a US Senator.

Not even just that, he left the fuckin scene of the crime and went home.

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17 points · 1 month ago

So did Laura Bush while in college.

818 points · 1 month ago

I can't say I disagree. The "punishment" for that affluenza kid was enough proof for me that if you have money you can quite literally get away with anything here in the US. It's very disheartening.

What’s a speeding ticket to a millionaire?

Teenage Ethan Couch stole beer, got drunk, did drugs, "stole" his father's F-350 and drunk drivingly killed 4 people and injured 11.

The successful defense plea was "affluenza" - an inability to understand the consequences of one's actions because of financial privilege.

He was given 10 years probation for his crime.

You're leaving out the part where he relapsed and fled to Mexico with his shitbag mom to bang whores.

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449 points · 1 month ago

Depends on what country you are in.

Some sensible countries means-test their fines. You can realistically get a 290 thousand dollar speeding ticket.

Holy hell!

“Despite refusing a Breathalyzer test and initially leaving the scene of the crash, Anderson was able to plea down to a 16-day jail sentence, 250 hours of community service, and a fine [of $350]”.

That is absolutely corrupt, ridiculous, and insane.

73 points · 1 month ago

yeah... if you are in the usa, money > law

Financial investing at its finest.

So disillusioning...

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This is a step in the right direction, it just sucks it likely still doesn't affect him the way it does the everyday man. Let's say you earn just enough to get by, that $150 speeding ticket is a lot because it cuts into your living expenses. The living expenses of rich people like this are so miniscule compared to their greater invested wealth. He will make that money back doing nothing, while the everyday Joe will feel the pain.

229 points · 1 month ago

Reminds me of a Chris Rock bit about alimony. Something along the lines of "if you make 10m and she takes 5m, you still rich. If you make 30k and she wants 15k bitch gotta die."

Oh man I forgot about that...that describes it perfectly.

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A few years ago I was in that position. I wasn’t quite paycheck-to-paycheck, but it was close. Then I got a fucking $400 speeding ticket (“construction zone” with no actual construction being done), and it fucked my finances up for a good while. $400 is a lot of money to most people, but it’s a drop in the bucket for rich fucks like that. That shit was an entire paycheck for a week at the time, which I needed for rent, car payment, groceries, and the like. It’s like they (the rich fucks) live in another dimension.

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America a sensible country? Lol never

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They have photo radar in my city and low police presence on the roads. The photo radar does not deduct license points or effect insurance so you're basically allowed to speed if you're rich.

Edit: and it's just a cash grab, it does nothing for safety.

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11 points · 1 month ago

We should have income percentage based tickets like Finland

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In America, you get all the justice you can afford.

133 points · 1 month ago

In America, you get all the justice you can afford.

There's a reason Lady Justice has weighing scales. They're for the gold each party offers.

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167 points · 1 month ago

I live in SE Ohio. One of my coworkers at my previous job knew the family second-hand. She knew the family and the kid. "He's so nice, I can't believe he's going to have his life ruined by this" and "kids will be kids, she shouldn't have been around them if she wanted to be safe" were not uncommon ideas expressed by her and others multiple times. Why do so many people have trouble empathizing with victims instead of "nice people" they know?

153 points · 1 month ago

It’s bc people are afraid to talk bluntly about these people. When around a situation like that, where are the people to chime in to say “good, fuck that kid. He deserves his life ruined bc he killed 4 people. His stupidity ruined 4 lives. And would any of you be saying this if the kid was black or brown? Of course not, bc he was “one of the good ones”.

They need to be embarrassed. They need to be made to look like the uncaring assholes they are. And if they are proud of being like that, then fine, but make sure they know you think they are terrible people.

His stupidity ruined 4 lives.

Pedantic point, but his stupidity ended 4 lives, no doubt countless more lives were ruined by losing those 4.

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Well "punishable by a fine" literally means 'legal if you're rich' haha

Or six months jail time for someone raping a girl meanwhile i can go away for like 5 or 10 years if i spray paint a stop sign.

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Note that rich people can go to jail in very extraordinary circumstances. Bernie Madoff (lost other rich peoples money), Martha Stewert (lost other rich peoples money)

So if I understand you correctly the only way rich peopple go to jail is when they fuck over other rich people?

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Martha Stewert (lost other rich peoples money)

What? Good ol' James Comey busted her for insider trading.

So she found other rich people's money
and kept it

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Nope. I worked for her company during the trial, and the jail time. She was convicted of perjury.

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Don't forget Shkreli!

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313 points · 1 month agoGilded1 · edited 1 month ago

Agreed. America is not great right now. It has made a hard turn towards corruption. The worst part is people have to watch. It is so fucking important right now, win or lose, that people vote in the elections for the candidates that backed net neutrality and vote out the ones that didnt. I also hope asshole face gets sued.

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175 points · 1 month agoGilded1

His using fake accounts to bolster his argument is similar to the campaign using bot swarms to influence the election. This is beyond coincidence.

A corrupt official, put in place by a corrupt administration, enacting corrupt rules, is caught up in corruption.


124 points · 1 month ago

The problem is this sort of corruption has been raised on a pedestal as an example of intelligence - being a smart businessman, a capitalist who knows how to earn, which is among the highest virtues for a large swath of the voting population.

The brazenness with which these corrupt pursuits are undertaken is further lionized, because they're either so supposedly clever that it must be a move in a chess-game the critic can't understand, to some ultimately beneficial end, or so brave that they aren't concerned about criticism or consequence.

Essentially, our national psyche has been twisted over decades to the point where traits that are objectively psychopathic are lauded as heroic and idealized and thus sought out in our leaders and officials.

10 points · 1 month ago

The Donald doesn’t pay his bills or taxes. Brags that makes him smart!

And what sucks is that the Courts could let him get away with this much corruption. We have something called the "Chevron Deference" that gives "expert" agencies a lot of leeway in their decision making as long as they give a reason. Not a good reason, per se, because of the deference, but just a reason.

This country sucks.

17 points · 1 month ago

I have a feeling this guy has been used to people hating him his entire life. How else can you be so openly ok with saying “fuck you” to people like that.

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When the hell will these corrupt scumbags be taken out in handcuffs?

When citizens violently revolt. That's it. That's literally the only time republicans will be punished for this shit.

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How is this not extreme corruption?

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The whole U.S. government system has been hijacked, and worst yet is that a lot of people are fine with it. Some may not even realize it, but they catch themselves thinking "but our guy needs that corporate money to win - it's totally different than that utterly corrupt rival that also takes money from corporations to win..."

Until people stop thinking that and outright reject any candidate that takes corporations' money, things aren't going to change.

Corruption is political cancer that spreads to every issue. Kill that cancer, and the policies on every issue will improve drastically.

I think legally defining corporations as people, allowing them to “donate” to politicians was one of the worst things to the whole system.

Little hope until this is reversed.

All the rights of a human being but none of the responsibility. Brutal.

That's not true. We've given a few companies some mighty firm wrist slaps!

You're so right. That totally showed em. No more Xbox until tomorrow BP.

But moooom, all the other oil companies are playing Fuck The Environment! I want to play too!

We already paid some fines, can't someone else do ittttt? It's sooooo expensive.

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29 points · 1 month ago

They're sorryyyy

And the fines are always less than the money that was made from doing whatever bad behavior.

26 points · 1 month ago

Why are the fines not set at "amount of money gained" plus some percentage? They did something illegal, how are they allowed to keep any of it? That'd be like if I went and robbed a bank and they told me to give a thousand bucks back. That would actively encourage me to rob banks!

21 points · 1 month ago

Who do you think had the law written that way?

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Immortal, emotionally void people, free to operate with unchecked greed without any of the consequences that real people would have to face.

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Can't forget McCutcheon v FEC which built off of Citizens United, allowing and expanding the rights of human citizens to donate larger and larger sums of money in undisclosed numbers

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Also Buckley v Valeo and First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti We can't blame the judges, they're just interpreting the law. We need a constitutional amendment regarding money in politics.

Catch 22, the only people who can do that are the ones benefiting.

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I'm not okay with it. But, what options do we have? Revolution? Everything is a team effort here and people just don't want to put in effort to change.

Nor do they want to work as a team. The US is all about the individual, now more than ever.

Surely that’s the American Dream that keeps getting drummed into you guys? Every person for themselves?

That cultural message is part of the problem, yes.


I know the democrats have their faults but at the very least they push for checks on large corporations, and try to make the government work.

30 points · 1 month ago

They have flaws for sure, but the republicans have nothing to offer in terms of taking the country back to it's ideals. Only barely veiled racism and false accusations.

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41 points · 1 month ago

This video on the study from Princeton University "Does The Government Represent The People?" explains the extent of the problem pretty well.

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37 points · 1 month ago

I remember back in the day we used to feel like our system was unique because it was corruption free. We pointed fingers at other governments and scoffed, "The Chinese government is corruption ridden, it operates solely on bribes". Well, now here we are...

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10 points · 1 month ago

Hijaked = bought??

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127 points · 1 month ago

It is.

But it isn't technically illegal.

105 points · 1 month ago

Which is the completely insane flaw in the current system.

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It's just smart business!

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1.1k points · 1 month ago

I hope Ajit patronizes us all with another video describing why this needed to happen and why its all OK.

352 points · 1 month ago

And puts some pizzagate conspiracy alt-right goons in it, too.

What a gaping fucking asshole.

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48 points · 1 month ago

The argument they’ll put forth is that a meeting doesn’t imply a quid-pro-quo took place.

You can pay $600,000 to someone to have dinner with a government official but that isn’t sufficient evidence to prove the official acted or did not act on your behalf. Selling access is how almost all politicians raise big dollar money. Those who donate the largest sums get priority access but access doesn’t imply favor. The NRA could donate $10 million to Trump and ask him to execute Hillary with a shovel behind an Applebee’s but that doesn’t mean he’ll do it. But either way, he’s still cashing their check.

Now most people would call bullshit and they’d be right but the law says otherwise. As long as the law allows for the buying and selling of access, politicians and their donors will have plausible deniability.

11.2k points · 1 month ago

the Chairman met with with top AT&T executives at a private dinner in Barcelona a month after the company began paying Cohen.

“A private dinner between Chairman Pai and an AT&T executive who hired Michael Cohen to influence the president doesn’t reflect well on the impartiality of the FCC,"

When is someone going to prison? When are they ALL going to prison?

No one is going to prison just like when regan didn’t go prison after the Iran contra affair.

1.8k points · 1 month ago

and the man who took the fall (after getting immunity) just became the president of the NRA. Thats right a man who smuggled guns into Iran just became their president.

1.2k points · 1 month agoGilded1

He cares so much about the second amendment he even supports terrorists right to bear arms.

“If everyone has arms then everyone is equal.” -NRA

250 points · 1 month ago

by that logic shouldn't Iran have nukes will make us all safer knowing death can come from any side

National Nukes Associations, it's every american's right to nuke his neighborhood if immigrants try to move in!

'It takes a good guy with a nuke to stop a bad guy with a nuke'


We need to make sure all children are properly trained on how to use a nuke by age 4 to prevent accidents.

Nukes don't kill people. People do.

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"To protect the sheep, you gotta catch the wolf. And it takes a wolf to catch a wolf."

...with a nuke.

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Didn't trump say during the campaign he thought all countries should have nukes? That's probably why he pulled out of the Iran deal, it wasn't fair to their nuclear ambitions!

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115 points · 1 month ago

I thought he sold them missiles, not guns. You know, sold highly valuable and dangerous missile technology to a foreign power, not just guns that realistically can be bought from anywhere.

Yes, I was kind of correct. It was apparently mostly TOW missiles.

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Ollie North is a fucking traitor.

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The same guy who called the Parkland students "civil terrorists."

36 points · 1 month ago

School shooting victims are obviously the real terrorists

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I will start off by saying I do NOT condone violence in any way, but seriously this is how assassinations happen. When people get fed up of the system not doing what it's designed to do and prosecuting these people. Eventually someone is going to get fed up and take matters in their own hands. Our lawmakers need to man the fuck up and start holding people accountable before something stupid happens. Again, I DO NOT CONDONE ANY VIOLENCE WHATSOEVER. It's just that this shit is gonna get nasty if our elected officials don't do anything.

The last thing the situation needs is martyrs. Half of Toronto still supports Rob Ford just because he had to go and die.

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Do we know what restaurant they went to?

38 points · 1 month ago

TGI Friday's

9 points · 1 month ago

“A private dinner between Chairman Pai and an AT&T executive”
It says private dinner so yeah you’re right, they got the special booth at TGI and told no one to disturb them

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The problem is that Cohen held no official position in the gov't, so public corruption statutes don't apply to him accepting money. He's just a private citizen selling access that he may or may not be able to provide. And unless it can be proven that AT&T paid something directly to Pai for quid pro quo actions, a dinner meeting isn't illegal.

It doesn't look good, sure, but just a few years ago the Supreme Court ruled that it couldn't be proved that VA's governor, who accepted MANY expensive gifts from a businessman, had done so with explicit quid pro quo. They basically ruled that bribery is legal without pretty extreme burden of proof that QPQ exists. As in, an email or recording saying "We'll give you X if you do Y for us, which is within the powers of your position."

Furthermore, when Pai leaves office and accepts a high-paying, multi-year position as a "consultant" at AT&T, that will go without scrutiny or consequences because nobody will be able to connect one with the other.

Yup, or some lobby he'll create or join that AT&T and others pay large sums of money to. Then he can accept the longer term financial benefits from multiple sources instead of just AT&T.

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When Republicans are voted out of office. Until then, Republicans will do everything they can to cover for Trump and his administration.

I'm seriously ignorant, but why?

Why do republicans need to defend an idiot? Why can't they say "he ran as a republican, but we don't approve"?

There are very decent republicans and democrats, just like there are shit republicans and democrats.

Fucking hell, when did the US lose its resiliency? Blame and question your politicians, don't just say "me Vs them!"

Republicans are afraid of angering Trump voters. They don't want to lose the primary to someone because they spoke out against Trump. That's why the Republicans most critical of Trump aren't running for reelection in 2018.

its multiple reasons.

  1. They get their tax breaks. Which will allow their donors and themselves to transfer large amounts of wealth with far less cost.

  2. Their donors have offered them or their family members cushy positions in companies if they are able to provide the tax cuts and benefits, and loopholes that allows them to gain more wealth. To achieve that they utilize Trump as a lightning rod while they get to achieve all that they were asked to get from their donors.

  3. Their voters are largely influenced by the fox news propaganda machine and thus deny reality and facts and support politicians who support Trump as that is what they are told to do by their chosen media sources.

  4. They are compromised themselves. Key members of the republican party have been witnessed in situations that MAY be criminal, and with the Kremlin having successfully infiltrated republican servers to obtain information that can be utilized against or for them, the republican party may just be in a position where if they choose to go against the wants of Russia and Putin, they may be found next in line for questioning by the FBI.

  5. Putin and his friends have funnelled a lot of money through NRA and other such organizations into the pockets of Republican politicians and want a return for their investment.

  6. Some of them may genuinely just be really evil. After the allegations and at times evidence of child molestation, racism, sexual abuse, nazism, and general shittiness that is becoming illuminated, its hard to deny the possibility that some of these people are just genuinely evil.

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1.6k points · 1 month ago

The problem isn't a republican or democat issue. We need politicians with integrity that serve the people.

545 points · 1 month ago

When your career is about appeasing everyone, you only care about the ones that got you into power.

That would not sound so bad in a real democracy.

To explain why there werent mass arrests after the financial collapse in 2008:

Joe Pinsker: I wanted to start by asking you the question that I think is probably the one that people are most likely to have asked at some point: Why are there no bankers in prison as a result of the financial crisis?

Sam Buell: Well, the short answer is we don't know, because prosecutors aren't required to make a report when they decide not to prosecute a case, so we don't know what exactly the evidence is that whichever prosecutors looked at these cases decided wasn't sufficient. So with that big caveat, which is to say we have to speculate, my view is that it's likely that these cases weren't brought because it's very difficult to establish a theory of criminal fraud when you have essentially one sophisticated bank trader selling a product to another sophisticated bank trader and the person who lost in the trade is saying, "Hey, there's more about this that you should have told me that you didn't tell me."

And these are not special fiduciary relationships, like the relationship between some investment advisers and average investors—this is trader against trader in a very sophisticated market. In a criminal case you've got to prove intent to deceive—that is, you've got to prove that there was an individual who at the time they sold that security to the other banker knew that what they were saying was false about that security. So these are hard cases to make, and I think, bottom line, maybe if we were to go through every single one of them, maybe we could find a case here, a case there, to quibble with the government's decision. But the idea that this is an area where you could have imprisoned large numbers of mortgage-backed-securities traders for what they did and the government just sat by and didn't do it, to me, is just totally implausible.

The frustrating thing about the financial crisis is that the victims, of which there were so, so many of us who were severely victimized when this happened, were not parties to the trades that created the problem. We weren't the ones who bought the mortgage-backed securities. So yes, we were victimized in the sense that we were downstream victims in the economy from a sort of risk fiesta that was allowed to go out of control because it wasn't regulated. But because we were victimized doesn't mean that somebody can be put in prison.

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134 points · 1 month ago

Given the amount of time politicians spend fundraising vs representing their constituents it's easy to determine who they have to actually represent if they want to have money come the next election. Nobody should be surprised that politicians are bought and paid for under the current system.

Yeah. We need better anti bribery laws. The problem is guess who makes the laws.

59 points · 1 month ago

It's not bribery, they're just paying money so politicians adopt their viewpoint or belief system. Totally normal. /s

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We need better anti bribery laws.

We need publicly financed elections.

Mandatory public funding and only small donations from citizens. Corporations should not be able to contribute anything.

We've had public funding for elections for a long time. The problem of the you can get way more money from elsewhere so nobody uses it anymore.

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Unfortunately integrity doesn’t pay well. But you’re 100% correct.

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68 points · 1 month ago

America's not supposed to have an aristocracy, seems like a solvable problem.

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But what does that entail?

I share your sentiment but the current system seems to be broken and there aren’t a lot of great options beyond protesting, which we saw a ton of at the beginning of this administration. Unfortunately protests alone don’t seem to work and the fire for change has slowed slightly.

Instead, the lot of us, myself included, sit here on the internet and complain and come up with great speeches for change, but then where do we go from here?

Is it the blue midterm that’s gonna really shake things up for us? I don’t think so. We dearly need real change and I don’t believe it can be found in our current politics.

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  1. Raise taxes on the wealthy and powerful

  2. Redistribute income in ways that benefit the many rather than just the few

  3. Punish fraud and disincentivize exploitive, predatory behavior so as to reduce cost of living

  4. Ensure basic, vital human needs like health care, food, education and housing are available and affordable to all

  5. Armed with more disposable income, average voters will have growing influence over politicians, rather than a shrinking influence

It all goes back to economics. You can punish bad behavior, but if the underlying economic system continues to reward that same bad behavior all the finger-wagging in the world isn't going to change it.

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I don't recall hearing about bankers meeting with Democrats secretly in other countries, or paying off the lawyer to the president, do you?

Plus, Democrats set up regulations and the CFPB (both of which are being dismantled by Republicans as we speak) to try to stop that problem from happening again.

Sure, nobody went to jail over it. But GTFO with this "both-parties-are-the-same" bullshit. They aren't.

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Guys guys guys, this isn't as bad as you are all making it out to be. Employers meet with their employees all the time.

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2.2k points · 1 month ago

I hope this human turd gets flushed down the toilet

621 points · 1 month ago

Drowned in his own coffee cup.

254 points · 1 month ago

Death by Reeses.

See guys, I'm just like you! A regular person that also memes on the internet hahah! Now give me your fucking money.

If you give me enough, I'll even let you play on the piano keys I had installed in the place of my teeth.

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145 points · 1 month ago

He should lose his job for sure, but I don't want him to go to prison.

I don't want him to pay a fine.

I don't want him to have probation or anything like that.

What he should get is a lifetime restriction on total personal bandwidth for any device or internet connection to 56K speeds.

Let's go ahead an cap his sms and data while we're at it.

Let's tell him there's no cap, or soft cap for degraded service. Then, astonishingly, we will actually apply a data cap, and soft cap for degraded service.

I hope everything he loves suffers from planned obsolescence, forever. Even if we, as a society, move away from this ridiculous hidden policy, we should specially engineer Ajit Pai's entire life to fail every 2 to 3 years.

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Drain the swamp!

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1.3k points · 1 month ago

Everyday it blows my mind that corporations can freely bribe anyone from the government in the form of lobbying/donations. Absolutely insane. Not just America, almost everywhere.

227 points · 1 month ago

There are a few places where this gets prosecuted. S. Korea is the big one. Maybe someone can help me find it, but I also remember the president or the prime minister of a south east asian country also getting into serious trouble because he was taking "gifts" from everyone and using that to affect the countrie's policy.

125 points · 1 month ago

South Korea and Samsung

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132 points · 1 month ago

France forbids politicians from taking corporate money.

Doesn't England have state sponsored elections with little or no individual spending?

Edit: in the UK and England paid political advertisements are banned.

Edit: in the UK and England paid political advertisements are banned.

Yeah instead they have tabloids that make their political culture almost as toxic as the US

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27 points · 1 month ago

Coming soon to a court in Paris:

"I plead not guilty, on the grounds that Colonel Gadaffi was not a corporation."

-- Nicolas Sarkozy

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Pretty wild to see our democracy so openly stripped down and sold off piece by piece.

what's more wild is that nobody seems to talk about it or call it corruption... it's just business as usual.

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1.9k points · 1 month ago

"Things were fine before Net Neutrality. It'll be fine after."

This kind of stuff is exactly why we need NN.

46 points · 1 month ago

Things were fine before Net Neutrality.

There's a more fundamental problem with this argument: The US has always had Net Neutrality. The reclassification of ISPs as common carriers just allowed the FCC to keep enforcing it.

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164 points · 1 month ago

There was an IQ2 debate on Net Neutrality and it was terrible, in my opinion. Anti NN would raise points like, companies would never selectively block services or websites. If they did people would just go to another ISP. Pro NN would counter with, we've seen ISP do that exact thing in example1 example2 example 3 and people can't change because 75% of the fucking country only has one high speed provider. Anti NN would say, well that's just because your classification of highspeed is 25mb/s+. Ours in 10mb/s.

Fuck off.

Anti NN would raise points like, companies would never selectively block services or websites.

I understand other people debunked this there but I want to put an example in this thread:

In court last week, the judges asked whether the company intended to favor certain websites over others.

“I’m authorized to state from my client today,” Verizon attorney Walker said, “that but for these rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements.”

Walker’s admission might have gone unnoticed had she not repeated it at least five times during oral arguments.

In response to Judge Laurence Silberman’s line of questioning about whether Verizon should be able to block any website or service that doesn’t pay the company’s proposed tolls, Walker said: “I think we should be able to; in the world I'm positing, you would be able to.” (source)

Anti NN would say, well that's just because your classification of highspeed is 25mb/s+. Ours in 10mb/s.

Which, as someone working in tech, is insane. They're deliberately keeping it below the level of high end streaming to push people to buy TV packages.

That was really one of their sticking points. Tom Wheeler was on the pro NN side and he was the one who changed the regulation from 4mb/s to 25mb/s while he was the head of the FCC under Obama. Under that classification the large majority of the country as one ISP to choose from. If you lower that standard to 10mb/s then most of the country has 2+ ISP to choose from. They liked to argue that that speed was biased because Tom himself was the one who implemented it.

One of the other arguments I thought was hilarious was they were talking about how not all data was equal. How if there was a surgeon doing remote something surgery they would happily siphon data away from the kid playing Doom next door because saving a life is more important than playing video games. While I would probably agree with that, I thought the statement itself is flawed and misleading. The funny part was after denigrating gamers they then go on to say that 10mb/s is plenty of speed to play online games with. Like, fuck you. You can't just shit on people then tell them your welcome.

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65 points · 1 month ago

"I don't want to live on this planet anymore"

60 points · 1 month ago

“Things have been fine before planets. It’ll be fine without them”

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You don't need that old thing. The internet was fine before 2015 and it'll be fine after. /s

Except there was Net Neutrality before 2015 too. The 2015 rule change was a response to a 2014 court decision that said there had to be a rule change within a year if the FCC wanted to continue enforcing Net Neutrality as they had been from the beginning.

We never had nuclear war before the atomic bomb was invented, too.

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I love how they are all, “Ajit Needs to explain himself! Tell us what you talked about.”

As if he’s going to just come out and say, oh yah, we talked about net neutrality and they said they’d deposit $20 million in an offshore account and give me the account number if I got rid of the stupid rule. I said, you have a deal. I wish you hadn’t asked me that though, I really didn’t want to tell you.

Jokes on them though, I’d have done it for $200,000 and unlimited data on my iPhone.

95 points · 1 month ago

He probably did it for $20

58 points · 1 month ago

*for his Reese’s mug.

14 points · 1 month ago

I hope someone breaks his shitty Reese's mug

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10 points · 1 month ago

To be fair there is video of him laughing about selling out the American people, all they have to do is tell him he is making a viral you tube video and he would probably outline the whole conversation while playing with Nerf guns.

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175 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

This man is a absolute fucking puppet

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I almost want to see Pai in prison more than Trump.

123 points · 1 month ago

They really did pick the fall guy with the most punchable face.

Do you even feel any of the same ire towards the unnamed AT&T exec in the article? Then Pai is doing his real job...

I don't blame the AT&T guy as much as the FCC because the FCC is the one who is supposed to enforce these laws. Breaking the law is bad, but allowing people you like to break it is even worse

174 points · 1 month ago

He has more life left to lose. And it’s a more realistic possibility.

So... Pai for Prison

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Well colour me super duper surprised

44 points · 1 month ago

No joke!!! But at least we there’s proof now to confirm what we all thought. He was going to fuck over everyone in America, for 600,000!!!!!!!! Are you fucking kidding me?!?! I can’t do anything about it, and he won’t go to prison for blatant crimes he has committed. It makes me sick just thinking about how you can sell out and screw over a whole nation without losing any sleep

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R's this isn't a Democratic vs Republican thing. I know you don't believe it but if Tom Wheeler pulled this shit I would not just be furious, I would actually be more furious. Please join us in protecting the future of the internet.

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157 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

The sad thing is he'll lie about what was in the meeting. Trump supporters will call it a nothing burger and Trump will probably tweet that media focusing on it is fake news. It's just that routine in this administration.

Edit for fun - I see the T_D gang has arrived with accounts either new or low response counts in their history. I'm game if they want to brigade, their responses are sometimes hilariously ignorant.

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64 points · 1 month ago

the best part of him dribbled down his mother's thigh

28 points · 1 month ago

I can't believe he was the fastest sperm...

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Money truly is king

33 points · 1 month ago

To the weak*
Pai was already making more than enough for his position. Did he really need 600k to fuck America?He’s such a weak minded, money chasing piece of shit.

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16 points · 1 month ago

I hope paying extra for specific Internet usage will be the Boston tea party event for America to stand up and revolt against corruption.

Apologies! It looks like that's the only thing companies can do this day. Reminds me UBS in drug money laundering case.

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Meeting outside of the US is shady as fuck

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Things like this go to show just how little of a fuck Republicans give about consumer protections. Purely out to line their own pockets. And before anyone says "Democrats do it too", yes they do, but they also are all firmly on the side of Net Neutrality here, and they have an infinitely better record of protecting the rights of consumers and workers as well. Republicans don't care about anything but keeping the rich as rich as possible, whether that is individuals or corporations; everything else is a distant second.

Huh it’s almost as if our economic and political systems are a playground for the rich and a hellscape for the poor? I wonder if it’s an inherent problem with capital? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

426 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

This is going to go down as the most corrupt administration in history -- yet I'm going to hear about the cartoonish evilness that is the A-Rated Clinton charity for the rest of eternity.

Buhbuhbuh her emails! Nevermind the treason actively happening in the White House! A 65 year old politician wasn't actively involved in securing a server room!

143 points · 1 month ago

My sheer hope is thst after watching this total wet far of a Presidency that people have opened their fucking eyes, go out, and vote.

2018 is the midterm year. Vote out these garbage ass human beings like Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell and let's get shit back on track.

McConnell isn’t in the ballot until 2020, but losing the Senate Majority Leader role would be a huge blow. He still gets re-elected though his approval rating is generally in the 30s. I guess being a known quantity of total bullshit is better than a newcomer?

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Clinton may have done something shady, so that makes this rotten administration completely fine.

Conservatives would have cruicified Obama for this.

39 points · 1 month ago

Wait Obama's been taking money via his personal attorney but it's not a bribe it's just for "insight into the President"? Could you imagine how many hearings and investigations and how much screaming there would be on Fox news? Holy shit.

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37 points · 1 month ago

I'm sure they just both happen to be in the same cafe, in the same country, at the same time. Complete coincidence. Ajit was like, "hey at&t, small world. I was just popping out for coffee and decided to go to Spain to get it." And at&t was like "oh wow, so weird, hey I got an extra enormous Reece's mug that I bought on my trip to Hershey Pennsylvania last week, do you want it?" And Ajit was like "sweet! I always wanted one of those absurdly huge mugs! You're the best at&t!" ... /s

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Lock him up!


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