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There are currently 29 Basic Income meetup groups, none with more than 7 members. Can we increase those numbers a bit?

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Sweden, Gothenburg2 points·3 years ago

I think that this is just for the site meetup.com

There are at least 17 active groups in just Sweden that meet at specific locations regularly. Also, we have work groups and activism groups and stuff that do meet at somewhat random locations.

QE for People!2 points·3 years ago

I started this 'meetup everywhere' almost one year ago, for the purpose of the international week of basic income in Europe. I can change the layout and some settings to make it more global. If you have any suggestions, let me know :)

Original Poster1 point·3 years ago

As u/DorianGainsboro mentions above, there are groups that meet regularly but aren't on the meetup site, it'd be great to have a site listing local (city-level) regular meetings, or else get those other groups to set up meetup pages. Not saying you should do this, just that it might be nice.

They don't have polymascotfoamalate on MY planet!3 points·3 years ago

If there's anybody in Seattle/Bellevue, please don't be a stranger! I already know to UBI-ers in Seattle personally, and I'd love to make it a regular thing.

Sweden, Gothenburg2 points·3 years ago

As I made the Swedish map for basic income groups yesterday. I today started looking for Facebook groups in the US that promote basic income. I couldn't find a single one, is this just due to my location and Facebook not wanting to search there thoroughly or is there really not a single one in the US? I couldn't even find a Facebook page for USBIG... :/

USA, >12k/4k, wealth, income tax1 point·3 years ago·edited 3 years ago

US Basic Income Guarantee (US BIG) Network facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/US-Basic-Income-Guarantee-Network/206792926015200

US Basic Income Guarantee (US BIG) Network main page:

http://www.usbig.net/index.php

Basic Income Earth Network (BIEN) facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/Basic.Income.Earth.Network?ref=hl

Basic Income Earth Network (BIEN) main page:

http://www.basicincome.org/bien/

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1 point·3 years ago

To what end?

You can communicate the idea to millions on the internet, or hundreds in real life.

QE for People!6 points·3 years ago

Rule #1 to create a social movement: Meet People In Real Life

Amazing things happen in real-life. The internet cannot replace real-life interactions; it is only a tool that supports them.

Sweden, Gothenburg2 points·3 years ago

I find equal value in both. The internet for information, looking at graphs, sorting through arguments, viewing imagery and videos, studying and all else. And above all to have a constructive conversations where it isn't "he said, she said" and "there are facts" without showing any of them, putting them up for scrutiny. Can't do research in a face to face conversation.

That said, we are social creatures. And a sense of community and belonging strengthens us in our desire to contribute and participate. Meeting builds life long bonds for collaboration and mutual respect that is hard to get on the web.

I spend most of my time on the web, but that is just because people in my vicinity don't want to talk about basic income all day. :-P

Original Poster2 points·3 years ago

To better organise that communication and promotion.

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3 points·3 years ago

It's quite simple. Create a multireddit and put the following subreddits in it:

r/politics
r/technology
r/news
r/worldnews
r/Futurology

If you haven't done so already, install the Reddit Enhancement Suite. This will allow you to see the downvotes and upvotes for each post.

Posts with a ratio of 7:1 have a high chance of making to the front page. Sort by new or rising and comment in those threads. The people who get thousands upvotes and Reddit gold aren't necessarily smarter or wittier than you, they're just showing up earlier.

If you see a post with a ratio of 20:1 or 30:1 it will hit the top of r/all in a few hours. Those are biggies. That's how you land comments like this.

It helps to have several basic income links handy so you don't have to waste time looking for them. Here are some good ones.

Don't respond to trolls, let the downvotes take care of them. Trolls are beneath you.

They don't have polymascotfoamalate on MY planet!2 points·3 years ago

This is fantastic advice.

Nah, people are more likely to act after meeting in person. You use the internet to get people to meetings, you use meeting to get people to rallies, and you use rallies to get your policy in place! The measure of success is in your attrition numbers between each step.

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1 point·3 years ago

Act? Act how? Read from the Book of Basic Income on a street corner?

Distribute flyers? You'll just look like a crazy person and people will ignore you.

Most people haven't even heard of basic income, and whenever it's mentioned people are still upvoting garbage objections like "but everybody will stop working!!" or "Luddites omg!"

Our work on the internet is not finished yet. I hardly see any of you (aside from some of the mods) in major threads.

You always see references to the Reddit Hug of Death, right? That's because there's a lot of fuckin' people on this site, and if you present your arguments in a pleasing manner, they will listen.

If you want to get a couple guys in a room, drink coffee, and jerk each other off over how great basic income is, go for it, but you will spread less awareness than a couple good comments in r/politics.

Original Poster1 point·3 years ago

There's more than one way to skin a cat and not everyone is on the internet or reddit.

Please try to use more respectful language, we're all working to the same end, just because we disagree doesn't mean we're assholes.

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1 point·3 years ago

I never said you were assholes. You're just misguided.

The reason you're not getting anybody to join these groups is because there isn't anything to do.

If you want people to join a group, you need an objective. You can't just say, "Join us and let's talk about maybe doing something."

People only show up to an event if they know what's going to happen.

Which is why I said: To what end?

What do you require my physical presence for? Could this be done on Skype?

Original Poster2 points·3 years ago

I see your point but I think you're being a bit extreme. Physical groups can achieve a lot, e.g. the petition in Switzerland got a public vote on the issue, the BI group in Ireland recently had a summer forum which attracted lots of people. They get local attention they wouldn't otherwise and it puts it in a local context and makes it more realistic. And like I said, not everyone is on the internet, and according to a stat I posted to r/all, only about 6% of the internet is on reddit.

That's not to exclude internet activism as well, it can spread the message in great ways too. But to characterise all physical meetings as sitting around circlejerking is disingenuous, there are also downsides to internet activism. We should all be supporting each other rather than criticising.

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1 point·3 years ago

You're right completely right about Switzerland. If you told me you needed help collecting signatures, I'm in.

But few people will join groups without a purpose. Put together a mission statement.

In the next six months we want to accomplish the following goals: yadda yadda yadda. We need your help doing X. Sign up to help on Y projects at Z time.

Original Poster1 point·3 years ago

Well, the purpose would be the promotion of Basic Income, I can't tell people how to organise or what to do specifically, they'll know their local circumstances better. The hope of the post is to encourage more people to get together locally and then hopefully they'd figure out the specifics, as a complement to other types of activism, not to replace it.

Canada1 point·3 years ago

You do have a point. Goals really help for face-to-face efforts.

Sweden, Gothenburg2 points·3 years ago

I think that the sense off community is strengthening for any cause. So meetups are good and it may also make you look at information that you otherwise wouldn't.

And let's not forget that not everybody finds their way around the web or know what they're looking for.

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