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level 1
167 points · 1 year ago

This is good news. I wish it was getting more attention.

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67 points · 1 year ago

You mean some Syrian refugees were actually GOOD people not interested in terrorism and in fact STOPPED a terrorist plot? That is indeed a change of pace for some opinions of Syrian refugees. Good on them!

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Original Poster93 points · 1 year ago

Most Syrians are just fine people—stop this rhetoric.

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49 points · 1 year ago

Maybe I should have put a /s after the first sentence? I thought it was implied with the capitalization of words and my following sentences... I was actually arguing AGAINST "this rhetoric" you mentioned.

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Original Poster37 points · 1 year ago

I can't tell anymore, sorry.

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15 points · 1 year ago

Hehe I understand. I'm highly sarcastic on Monday mornings. I should work on that.

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Original Poster16 points · 1 year ago

You're fine—the general rhetoric on reddit, and over-stylization of text from our bold-happy friends over at r/the_dodo, has made it hard for me to tell when people are being facetious.

Or in simpler terms, it's not you, it's me reddit

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13 points · 1 year ago

Haha r/the_dodo made me laugh.

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0 points · 1 year ago

Do you mean /r/the Donald ?

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5 points · 1 year ago

they're talking about the cheeto benito sub

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level 5

as someone who had to volunteer last year: you're correct, Syrians were mostly sweethearts that tried to help with anything they could. Afghans on the other hand ..

level 4

Actual Syrian refugees are fine. Using an anecdotal story to promote unchecked mass immigration from Muslim majority countries is not. Good for these Syrian refugees finding this asshole, hope we see more cooperation to prevent people from getting hurt.

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Original Poster9 points · 1 year ago

to promote unchecked mass immigration from Muslim majority countries

And who exactly is proposing entirely unchecked mass immigration from Muslim countries?

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-4 points · 1 year ago

This is what is happening in Europe, esp Germany unfortunately.

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It is not. Germany also never proposed unchecked immigration or invited every one.

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-11 points · 1 year ago(1 child)
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They had (and still have) an open door policy

No they don't, that's what the whole refugee deal with Turkey is about.

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0 points · 1 year ago

No, actually, we aren't.

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-5 points · 1 year ago(More than 12 children)
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14 points · 1 year ago

Merkel is a Christian conservative.

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-14 points · 1 year ago(0 children)
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6 points · 1 year ago

Well she isn't a lefty, we can agree on that.

level 9

she is doing that because compassion for those in need is very important to believers of the Christian faith, especially conservative catholics.

she's just trying to be a good samaritan. Overdoing it though, but that is a different topic.

level 10

Awww how sweet and very naive of you to believe that...

level 10

She's a globalist importing cheap gov't dependent labor and votes.

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0 points · 1 year ago

She is forced to. Because Germany HAS to keep bringing in high amounts of immigrants to not undermine the economic growth because the companies are dependand on a certain growth. That's what people in other countries don't want it theirs to come to.

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1 point · 1 year ago

Political left?

Merkel is a member of the CDU.

I suppose everything left of the hard right is left now.

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In my country a politician flooding the country with cheap foreign labor and welfare dependent immigrants is on the left. In Germany apparently that's on the right.

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-9 points · 1 year ago(6 children)
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They refuse to send anyone back. They will pick up migrants on boats off the coast of Libya.

Send back to where? To Italy or Greece where they landed first? Or send them back to Syria? Right either to the rule of Assad or ISIS territory?

Yea, we should actually equip our naval ships with HD cameras and get a live stream seeing how refugees drown in the Mediterranean. That would cheer up /r/worldnews. :)

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Taking migrants to Italy or Greece only creates the incentive for traffickers to keep putting migrants in these dangerous situations.

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2 points · 1 year ago

There are a lot of non Syrians that got special treatment in fact they are just about half to 70 % of that migrant wave in some cases...

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Send back to where?

The Coast of Lybia.

To Italy or Greece where they landed first?

You don't get how this works. They board boats in Lybia, go any distance towards Europe and then get picked up and taken the rest of the way.

On their way, they may throw christians overboard or threaten to drown their children if they think the navy ships will take them back (both of this has actually happened).

By the way, the ones that come from Lybia don't even pretend to be Syrians (many of those who came from Turkey were Afghanis or Iraqis, they just threw away their passports, one mayor at the german boarder who put up toilets for the "refuges" complained that they were totally clogged with passports)

level 9

Not really gonna take the word of someone who can't even spell Libya even though it's clearly written many times in this thread. You're a fucking idiot.

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1 point · 1 year ago

I would love to see that.

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51% is "most". I'd hope "most" would turn in a terrorist but I'm not optimistic.

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1 point · 1 year ago

Yes Officer.

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I do believe that most people understand Syrians were never the problem. Syria has classically been one of the more moderate states in the region in terms of culture.

Afghanistan & North African on the other hand likely comprise most of the migrants & likewise most of the trouble groups/individuals. Fundamentally different cultural norms and all.

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Original Poster1 point · 1 year ago

I do believe that most people understand Syrians were never the problem.

Welcome to reddit, where most people suck.

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1 point · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Well, the main argument against foreigners or refugges regardless of their background is "they took our jobs", "they will be a burden on the social security system". It happens all around the world. It happens also to polish people in Uk and African migrants in South Africa.

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-3 points · 1 year ago

Statistically, "most" still believe in what the west would deem murder, rape, and slavery though... Let's not blind ourselves to that fact. However, rare acts like this should still be commended and applauded with the hopes that a more moderate stance will become the norm rather than the exception.

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2 points · 1 year ago

Forget then being good or bad. It's in their own interest to appear lawful, they don't want to be hated or kicked out of the country.

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1 point · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

You are probably the same type of shithead who always complains that Muslims need to do more to fight terrorism. Now you act annoyed you have to read a news article of them doing just that.

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Naw man. I already went down this road with another commenter. I was being sarcastic and trying to make fun of that type of typical argument. I don't like adding /s so I just need to work on my internet sarcasm.

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0 points · 1 year ago

Wow, we should import more of them that way we can get more bombers and informers of said bombers.

We just have to get the ratios right.

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9 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago
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They should be awarded immediate citizenship. We need more moderate muslims openly standing up against the barbaric version of islam that reigns in the middle east.

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I agree that we need more people standing against it, but I think it would be foolhardy to provide instant citizenship because that is definitely a system that can be taken advantage of in some pretty sinister ways. Not limited to, but including turning in another ISIS member and gaining entry to a place that neither of you could get into before. Just a thought.

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16 points · 1 year ago

The allegory I've heard most often about the unintended consequences of positive reinforcement is the old snake bounty in India.

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They are already amongst us... rewarding people that turn them in probably wont make things worse. Maybe not necessarily better.... but not worse

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14 points · 1 year ago

What makes you think that the 99.99999999% of Muslims wouldn't do the same in a heartbeat? The scourge of Isis affects Muslims more than anyone else.

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3 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Just speaking about my community in a (somewhat) major us city, there is a big problem in the muslim community with gangs (basically importing tribalism from homeland) and brainwashing young men to go back and fight, or even get recruited into ISIS.

It's not most muslims but it is a steady, significant feature of the community. You would be wrong at too great a cost to assume every muslim you meet here is a decent person, unfortunately.

That's why seperating the good from bad is imperative. It's such a tight knit community and unfortunately these operations take advantage of its network and infrastructure.

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If they are making gangs, it is a problem of their own making, not of Islam so you shouldn't be comparing them to other Muslims.
In my home town of Sydney, Australia we have a problem with Lebanese gangs who run drug and prostitution rings here. Both mortal sins in Islam, yet some see fit to say it is a Muslim problem, not an organised crime problem. Why?

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-6 points · 1 year ago(More than 17 children)
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5 points · 1 year ago

The Ottoman Empire was more religiously tolerant than its Christian contemporaries for most of its existence.

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But muslims don't like to talk about how islamic hordes attacked northern india slaughtering millions of hindi because they wouldn't accept allah.

That the ottoman empire was tolerant that doesn't mean the islam has no history of intolerance

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2 points · 1 year ago

The steppe nomads have a history of slaughter regardless of their religion of choice, you can cycle that back all the way to the first appearance of the Huns coming to break the back of the western roman empire. Its an apples-to-oranges kind of thing. Inter-religious conflict wasn't even an exclusively horde inflicted issue on the Indian subcontinent, Hindu and Muslim nations fought each-other with a decent amount of brutality throughout the colonial era culminating in the wars of the Murathas against the Mughal empire.

Hell, once it was established the Mughal Empire (which was the successor state of your islamist Timurid hordes- which themselves were successors of the Mongol Khanates who are also renowned for their relative religious tolerance to their contemporaries) was built almost exclusively on a policy of religious toleration because they had too many Hindu subjects to reasonably consider force converting all of them.

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1 point · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Yes. The Islam needs to be reformed and accept western values, traditions and specially free speech. And also accept another Islam branches like Shia muslims that most of the time are at civil war with Sunny muslims in the Middle east.

They get really mad when someone draw Mohamed because they regard him as father, as the most perfect human and as role model. It is a issue that should be addressed. Everybody that is a non believer has the right to make fun of him and draw him without be regarded as target.

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-1 points · 1 year ago

I guess the fact that thousands are prepared to risk their lives to escape those brutal dictatorships and perpetual war has escaped you?

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Holy fuck man. You missread my comment in the first place. They want to gain citizenship. They did a good deed. That should be answered. I hope more people follow in their footsteps.

Stop making this another thing. This forced self victimisation whenever people like you (and I don't mean muslims but weirdos) see a slight opportunity is disgusting.

I learned arabic and read the quran in its' original to better understand islam and islamic culture and found some refugee I met a workplace. So don't you fucking dare accusing me of shit because either I did way more than you towards integrating those people into society than you or if you are muslim you should be carefull not turning your only friends against you by playing the fucking victim card on everything.

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0 points · 1 year ago

You're the one who blamed millions of Muslims for living under brutal dictatorships. You think they have a choice?
You will find that these 3 Syrians represent their countrymen more than the ones who wanted to set off a bomb.

level 8

No that is bullshit. What my original comment said was that they did something good, they want citizenship. Let us show that good deeds get rewarded and others that we need more of this since it is a FACT that there are terrorists amongst the refugees.

The one that made it a topic about religious matters and violence was actually you.

level 9

But take a long hard look at the politics, laws and history of tolerance in middle eastern countries and think about if 99% of those would really do the same. If you are honest: you can't. Especially if you saw the hundretthousands of people burning flags and attacking embassies because someone painted a funny pic of mohammed.

Really? Don't blame the people for what stupid leaders do.

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That is why I immediately described an example that is not the leaders fault. Even in the same quote you used.

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1 point · 1 year ago

The fact is that when Muslims aren't living under brutal dictatorships they immediately implement brutal theocracy. They are just shitty people.

level 3

I don't know if I completely agree with that. I think they should go to the same vetting process that any refugee or immigrant goes through.

level 4

Well at least they should get a free pass to the top of the waiting list

level 3

that would be illegal in Germany, they don't fulfill any of the criteria.

level 4

I know. I am from germany. Saying they should doesn't mean they will.

level 5

thing is, they shouldn't. the rules are in place for a reason, and that's because citizenship isn't a certificate of merit.

level 6

There is a thing called 'Ehrenstaatsbürgerschaft' that translates to honorable citizenship that can be awarded for special deeds and does not need you to be meeting any of the criteria.

I read up on it after your comment and theoretically it is not illegal.

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level 4

Where do they get all the mattresses from?

Perfect example of how they bring their failed, inferior culture along with them. Disgusting.

level 5

I don't agree with your very broad views on the entire region, but I would love to know some context.

level 6

Look no further than the vibrant Jewish and Christian communities of Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Libya, Tunisia, Afganistan Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Sudan... oh wait, they're all been genocided. Never mind.

level 7

We've already established that we disagree fam; I was just curious if you remember the context of that line about mattresses from before the other post was deleted. *grammar.

level 8

T'was a video of a Parisian street completely covered with mattresses and garbage. Looked like something right out of Islamic lands.

level 9

Thank you for clarifying.

level 9

Not the streets that are bombed to shit by your country then?

level 10

Once Hillary smuggles enough Muslims in they might be.

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-12 points · 1 year ago(More than 15 children)
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So like the vast majority of them?

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-3 points · 1 year ago

What? All I'm saying is I want more stories like this. Also this was neither in the US OR Canada. Germany and other European countries, like France, have had a ton of terrorists entering their countries as their refugee settling program has been much larger and faster than in the US or Canada. I'm not talking about North America here at all, and neither is the article. How about YOU shut the fuck up.

level 6

Pfff Terrorist schmerrorist. Are there terrible and horrible people among the refugees? Definitely.

But there are also honest and decent folk among them.

I for one rather truly love my neighbor and accept the risks than preach it on a sunday and cower in fear on a monday.

level 7

I'm just saying that the European countries need to be more vigilant in their screening programs like we are here in North America. 7 of 9 of the Bataclan terrorists in Paris were hidden as refugees coming in through Hungary and Germany has found many hiding amongst refugees.

I'm all for loving thy neighbor, but security measures must be taken to protect the citizens already living in one's country.

level 8

Actually they were all either French or Belgian. One of them had a Syrian passport but it was found to be a fake. They were the refugees so you can't blame refugees for the bataclan attack

level 9

They went to Hungary and picked up more terrorists and then gained entry riding the waves of migrants and using fake Syrian passports. The point is that the screening of terrorists at that time over there was not nearly strict enough to allow them entry into Hungary and then back into France without raising alarms.

level 10

Only one of them used a fake passport , the rest didn't so you can't pin this on the fact we let migrants in

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And how, pray tell, are we supposed to do that? Build an artificial ocean in the hopes of more of them drowning before they reach us. Or should we simply not let them in, so that we can watch them suffer at our doorstep and on our streets once they enter the country illegally.

We will never have the manpower to check every refugee.

This a multifaceted issue but, ultimately, the choice is binary.

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4 points · 1 year ago

I think you hit the nail on the head. The refugee camps are actually a detriment to the integration of many of them, as well as an easy place for legitimate terrorists to not only hide, but possibly convert others who listen because they have literally nothing better in their lives at the moment.

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-1 points · 1 year ago

While I agree with some of the things you say (cramming people into shelters will lead to certain individuals taking advantage of it and terrorizing others) I don't think muslims in general easily integrate. 2nd generation muslims quite often are way more radical than their parents and their religion and the very strict rules it demands from its followers prevent that. Living in a country also means you have to accept secularism and liberal and progressive views, something muslims don't tend to do.

level 4

What the FUCK are you talking about kid? You realise Muslim refugees have been coming to your country since before you were born and have contributed far more than you have?

Reading a fucking book retard

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0 points · 1 year ago

I'm talking about the climate of today. The Muslim world has drastically changed over the last half century and Western involvement in the Middle East has created a rise of bad Islam. I "reading a fucking book retard" all the time. Dick.

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-6 points · 1 year ago(0 children)
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You apparently work with any random shit that comes out of your mouth based on absolutely no first hand experience.

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No, you do.

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level 7

Yes, white people should speak out against the KKK and not support is. Support for BLM is strong amongst African Americans however.

level 4

Anyone that turns in a terrorist murderer is a hero. What are you trying to say?

level 2

how is it good news that a bomber managed to get into the country?

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2 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Let me see. The post title says "3 Fellow Syrians Capture Germany Bomb Suspect".

Which part sounds good? The fact that the suspect was caught, that's one. The fact that he was caught by people that stupid racists assume are all terrorists, that's two. You've must be one of those backwards thinkers that suggests we get rid of all trees because a firefighter saved a cat from one. Spend a little time with a Muslim and you'll realize that, like trees, they do much more good than bad, and almost every single one of them detests terrorism.

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  1. the bomb plotter was from syria

  2. he managed to get into the country despite exhaustive "screenings"

tell me what is so good about that, that one plotter got caught while many many more could be out there?

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1 point · 1 year ago

Wow, you're a fucking idiot.

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im an idiot for not wanting to let terrorists roam around freely? one was caught, but isis isnt made up of only one person

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2 points · 1 year ago

Yes. Catching terrorists is a good thing. There are no stipulations you can add to that to make it a bad thing. I hope it happens again too.

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point is, terrorist shouldnt have been let into the country in the first place.

all this mass government survielance and "precautions" to help protect the populace but still terrorists easily slip through the fucking net?

we are lucky one was caught, LUCKY! relying on luck to keep people safe is not a good thing

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2 points · 1 year ago

And, again, catching them if they make it in is a good thing. The alternative is not catching them. You're way, way, way over thinking this.

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31 points · 1 year ago

German investigators say the young Syrian man suspected of planning a bombing attack was recognized by other Syrians with whom he sought refuge and that they bound him and called police.

This does support the point that ISIS is using the refugee crisis as a trojan horse and the vetting is inadequate. Overall, glad to hear some positive news on the refugees.

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11 points · 1 year ago

This pokes holes in the anti-refugee rhetoric because one non asshole refugee spotted an asshole syrian refugee? Yea, that's not exactly absolving the entire mass immigration idea, IMO.

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I'm glad we're seeing holes getting poked in the anti-Syrian refugee narrative. This reminds me of the story from last week about the Syrian refugee working with German police who had fingered up to 30 ISIS members, because he remembered the faces of those who tortured him.

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29 points · 1 year ago

People keep misquoting that story. He pointed out one guy. There have been 30 cases of people pointing people out, but a lot of the time it is a false positive.

I think that last part is important because last time we didn't double check tips the US ended up jailing and torturing completely innocent people.

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For sure. That's all important, but just for the record, the story I read on that guy must have therefore misquoted the original story, because those details weren't divulged.

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3 points · 1 year ago

Yeah, somebody in the news article thread posted the original German article which worded things a bit more clearly.

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10 points · 1 year ago

who had fingered up to 30 ISIS members, because he remembered the faces of those who tortured him.

I don't think sexual assault is the appropriate way to deal with terrorism.

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Just grab 'em by the pussy.

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Don#/%d Tr@%$?

level 3

Maybe not appropriate, but clearly effective.

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3 points · 1 year ago

I'm glad we're seeing holes getting poked in the anti-Syrian refugee narrative.

How so? The narrative, from even the staunchest opponents, has never been that 100% of Syrian refugees are bad people. The primary criticism is that there simply is no way to reliably verify the integrity of the refugees you are letting into your country en masse, which is problematic since a certain percentage of them WILL invariably be very bad people (and once you let them past the border they have full freedom of movement and action within your country). When you are talking about hundreds of thousands of people, even a tiny percentage becomes a troubling proposition.

This is the second story in so many weeks about a terrorist being found among the refugee population in Germany. It's certainly commendable that the intel leading to this particular arrest came from another Syrian refugee, but I fail to see how that addresses the core concern. If anything this only supports the narrative that radicalized extremists (in this case a bomber with known ties to Islamic terrorist groups) are hiding among the Syrian refugee population in Germany and provides evidence that current refugee screening criteria are grossly inadequate in ensuring the continued safety of German citizens (i.e. sure this particular story had a positive ending, but this guy was already assembling bombs, and you can't always count on being so lucky in the future!).

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I wish we'd get more news from out of Syria, so people would understand why ISIS is pushing so much for Islamophobia.

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0 points · 1 year ago

This doesn't poke a hole in the anti-refugee narrative at all, it reinforces it. Further proof that the refugees are a Trojan horse for Islam and terrorism.

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And tomorrow you'll hate them again.

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My schizophrenic opinion is as fickle as the wind.

NO IT'S NOT! Who said that?

HE DID!

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This is how you combat extremists.

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-5 points · 1 year ago(More than 24 children)
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Yes you do. It's absurd to think there's some litmus test for keeping extremists out of the country at all while still having some immigration policy, and its completely absurd to not have any immigration policy. But, even assuming a country decided to have zero immigration, ISIS still has internet feelers out, and they'll still recruit. In fact, an immigration ban might actually stoke their efforts in that country. We're going to deal with extremists as long as there's failed states, slums and tyrannical governments in the world. This isn't just going away because we try to ban one group or another.

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It's weird how people don't get that. Like after the Orlando shooting, people were acting like that validates their fears of refugees when the shooter was from the US. Or how every time a brown person farts in Europe everybody rushes on their refugee witch hunt and then it ends up being a Moroccan or someone that's been in the country for years. If you're looking for validation instead of information, you'll never learn anything.

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I frankly just don't understand how "Muslim test" was ever even suggested. It sounds crazy, I know, but people have the ability to lie to authorities about their religion. So, in wake of this blatantly obvious flaw, I can only assume they meant "brown people test."

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0 points · 1 year ago

The Orlando shooter was a muslim, the discussion should focus on religious extremism using violence to get their message across. Terrorism happens by muslim migrants, muslim refugees and muslim citizens.

Anybody who negates that religion is the cause of worldwide terrorism is naive.

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2 points · 1 year ago

You're not exactly wrong, but I feel that that is too simple of an answer to an incredibly complex problem. The question that I feel that needs to be asked is this:

The Middle East is no more Muslim today than it was 30-40 years ago, so why is it so much less secular today? Why has this problem arisen in the last 20-25 years but largely didn't exist before that? Secularism was very popular on the Arab street 30-40 years ago; what changed? This is as much a geopolitical problem as it is a religious one.

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1 point · 1 year ago

I think the answer lies in how different people interpret religious books. Saudi Arabia and Iran have been fighting for power in the Middle East for decades and unfortunately the west got involved because we need their cheap oil and they like our weapons (esp the US is profiteering from that conflict). Along with that more and more extremist religious leaders ruling Middle Eastern countries now and spreading their inhumane believes and influence to western countries as well (funding of schools, mosques, clerics and terrorism)

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2 points · 1 year ago

I agree with you up until your point about why the West got involved. It's not just about the oil (although it's a big part). And it isn't just Islam (although that's also a big part). I'm going to attempt to provide a detailed explanation of what I believe the problems came from:

The legitimacy of the Saudi state has always been rooted in Wahhabism/Salafism (the interpretation of Islam that ISIS espouses), yet it never had traction throughout the region until after 1979. What's so special about 1979? Two things: the Islamic Revolution in Iran and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. Let's start with the Iranian Revolution.

Iran post-1979 was the first country in the modern Middle East that isn't Saudi Arabia to use Islam in government. The theocracy is a Shia Islamist one; Saudi Arabia is Sunni and competes with Iran for regional power. There's a natural conflict right there. This is the more minor of the two. Let's move on to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan is, in my opinion, the largest contributing factor to the crisis that we are seeing today. It can all be chalked down to the good ol' Cold War. We all know how the United States, Egypt, Pakistan, Israel, the U.K., France, and West Germany funded and trained Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets. But how did they get fighters? How they recruited fighters is the foundation to the crisis we see today with Islamic extremism. In order to combat the godless communism of the Soviet Union, Saudi Arabia, through Pakistan and the West, began to export and espouse their Wahhabi version of Islam to recruit Muslim fighters to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviet invaders. Once a message is broadcast, it cannot be undone, especially because the Saudis didn't stop exporting this interpretation of Islam. They funded madrasahs all over the West and the Middle East that taught this interpretation of Islam. Over the decades, this version of Islam began to become internalized within Muslims and Muslim youth; that was the only interpretation of Islam that they were ever taught. The Saudis also spread this to combat the Shia Islamism of Iran, since once of the goals of the Iranian Revolution was to spread it throughout the region.

Combine this with the fact that many of the worst dictators in the Middle East were secular and that the ideology of secular pan-Arabism completely failed against Israel, support for Islamism began to take root where it did not exist before. Adding to that the gradual destruction of Iraq after 1991 (the Arab World's only developed country), and you have your ingredients for today's problems right there.

Contrary to what many believe, the 2003 Invasion of Iraq did not create this crisis; it rather exacerbated it and provided a vehicle for it to spread. That's how Al-Qaeda came to Iraq and became ISIS. If Iraq hadn't been invaded, groups like ISIS would still exist. They would have just been contained to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I hope I didn't bore you to death with this. I am Iraqi, and sometimes I enjoy studying the history of the region in hopes of finding where things went wrong so that the future can be better prepared for.

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2 points · 1 year ago

I agree with you on a lot of things esp that the conflict started way before the Iraq invasion. That area has never not been a place that internally or externally forces and countries wanted to occupy and take advantage of.

I also agree with you that religion is used to recruit and fuel the conflict. Works everytime, who said 'religion is seen by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful'.

And btw no, you didn't bore me at all.

level 10

That quote about religion is fantastic and depressing because of how true it is.

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Well that was interesting as fuck. I legitimately learned quite a bit from this.

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2 points · 1 year ago

Thank you, I appreciate hearing that!

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-3 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Intolerance is the primary cause of terrorism. It's taken many shapes over the years but don't act like Muslims are the only ones who kill people in bulk. There's school shooters, gangbangers, mall shootings, movie theater shootings, etc. The media just throws the terrorist tag at Muslims, while everyone else gets "mentally disturbed". Muslims get lumped in together, while everyone else gets seen as individuals, ever since 9/11 and the "War on Terror". I'm interested to see how many Americans were killed by Muslims vs Christians.

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1 point · 1 year ago

Well 9/11 was the single largest terrorist attack with be highest number of victims ever, all the perpetrators were muslims.

In Europe more than 500 people died in the last two years because extremist muslims hate non believers.

Almost 2000 women were molested in one night in Germany because muslim males have no respect for women. The number of muslim males molesting and raping European women is very worrying.

If you can't see a pattern there, you are ignorant.

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Obviously there are some fundamental problems with the refugee situation in Europe. I'm not denying that. But to blame all terrorism worldwide on Islam is a little naive. Extremists exist, but the more we fail to separate them from the rest of the 1.6 billion Muslims that don't rape and murder, the more we push them back into the waiting arms of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

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Actually more Christians kill Americans than Muslims even when we take 9/11 into account

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

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0 points · 1 year ago

You mean the intolerance inherent in Islam, right?

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I mean, you're throwing around a lot of words without anything to back them up.

But, even assuming a country decided to have zero immigration, ISIS still has internet feelers out, and they'll still recruit.

What are you talking about? Are you talking about ISIS recruiters getting Europeans to join them in Syria? Yeah, a zero immigration policy would not be able to prevent that, but at least those potential terrorists would no longer be in Europe anymore.

In fact, an immigration ban might actually stoke their efforts in that country.

Based on what?

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I mean, you're throwing around a lot of words without anything to back them up.

Oh yeah, because

You don't need to combat them if you don't let them in to begin with

was super "backed-up."

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Because extremists don't come from inside the country?

You realise that many terrorist attacks have been by people who were from the country they attacked?

God there's some complete retards here..

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0 points · 1 year ago

Wouldn't need to combat them if we didn't let them in in the first place.

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9 points · 1 year ago

Isn't this exactly what people said the refugees wouldn't do?

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I sincerely hope they get a fucking reward. It's about time this sort of thing was happening for effect. Maybe there is hope after all.

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I mean, this stuff happens all the time. Our intel agencies work mainly with tip-offs from other Muslims when it comes to Islamist terrorism, you don't go and ask the pope to give you info.

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Wow I almost read the title as '3 Fellow Synths'

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Wow I almost read the title as '3 Fellow Synths'

Can't wait for season2 of Humans to start, huh?

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There's a settlement that needs your help.

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Fantastic.

Now give them secret identities and rewards or ISIS will make them pay.

(I'm not being flippant. We have to realize the horror we are dealing with.)

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I don't think anyone will publish their identities, it would put them in great risk.

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Should this not be removed for not being us news only?

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Original Poster1 point · 1 year ago

r/news is for all news

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Funny, I recall many times where news of sex attacks in Germany, attacks in France etc. Have been locked down and deleted for being "Local news," or "us news only"

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Original Poster0 points · 1 year ago

I'm sure you think everything on reddit is pro-Islam propaganda anyway.

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You're the one that bought Islam into things, not me.

I'm merely pointing out double standards that clearly shows that /r/news is hypocritical when it comes to what they allow and what they don't.

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Original Poster1 point · 1 year ago

You're posturing for your shitty candidate. Pander your bs in r/the_dodo, not here.

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Edit: holy whizzbang, their account is suspended, wtf?

How am I posturing for anybody? I'm simply expressing my disdain for the bullshit double standards of this subreddit, you're the one now bringing politics into this, when the actions of a subreddit based on certain functions are what I'm criticising. You going to start hashtagging #imwithher in your next reply? Keep the strawmen coming, my friend ☺️

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This is a textbook example of why you should make another community feel included. Not just in Germany, but esp in the US. If these Syrians had felt isolated and excluded, I can guarantee you they wouldn't have felt any desire to volunteer the bomb suspect's presence. Same with blacks in ghettos who go by the "Snitches are bitches" creed.

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It's more complicated than that. Part of such a relocation is that they have to give up a lot of their culture and way of life to fit in with the new place and situation, and not everyone can do that. Some people can easily adapt, some can compromise, some will want to stick to the old ways, some just cannot change even if they wanted to because it's a big change and thus is traumatic in some ways (and some will turn to crime because they're bored or whatever). Even if you controlled one side to have a fixed response (which is also illogical because people naturally have different motivations and responses), you'll have so many different possible outcomes. There is simply no foolproof method to this.

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2 points · 1 year ago

It would be easier to just keep them out...

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ITT: Incredibly stupid bigots and people that don't realise majority of attacks come from people from the country they attack.

I swear you're all 12 years old or something...

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-2 points · 1 year ago

How did the bomb suspect get in the country in the first place?

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It's says he arrived in Germany in 2015 seeking asylum from Syria.

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Original Poster4 points · 1 year ago

Maybe they have an incel adoption fund.

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1 point · 1 year ago

Yeah! See guys, we need muslim immigrants, so they can save us from...them...wait

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-4 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Neonazis from the alt right will show up any second to tell us the bomber is a true Muslim who represents Islam and the other 3 Syrians are not really Muslims at all. Any reasonable person would realize Hillary nailed it in her comments about this last night.

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People are saying the alleged bomber is a true Muslim who represents Islam and the other 3 Syrians are not really Muslims at all. That's what I hear smart people, the best people saying.

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Funny, that's the same excuse your side (the fascist anti-fascists) usually uses in reverse.

The world needs more Muslims like these 3.

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2 points · 1 year ago

"Fascist anti-fascists"

And we're supposed to take your opinions seriously?

level 4

And we're supposed to take your opinions seriously?

You're not. You're a joke.

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0 points · 1 year ago

The joke is in your clearly absurd oxymoron. Or do I need to put this in a form you'll understand, like a frog meme?

level 6

Thank you for proving my point.

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0 points · 1 year ago

Only if your point is that you're an alt-right troll with baseless opinions, sweetheart.

Have a nice day.

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Only if your point is that you're an alt-right troll with baseless opinions, sweetheart.

... and with that, the joke put up it's white flag of surrender and slimed away like the worm it was.

level 2

Based on your downvotes, they're already here.

level 1

See.

Trump´s idea works!

level 1

Good Job. Western civilization isn't so bad.

Now here comes the true challenge, trying not to have your kids become deranged murderous psychopaths. Longing to a country they never knew, with a society they never had to fear.

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