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Mueller Witness George Nader’s Attorney Vehemently Denies He Fled the Country After Being Granted Immunity

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Washington
639 points · 4 months ago

George Nader, who was cooperating with the Mueller investigation, has fled to the UAE after UAE officials “pulled strings” with the Trump administration, the Daily Mail reports

Witness tampering??

If this is real then holy damn

Washington
127 points · 4 months ago

Do we know if he already spoke to the Grand Jury?

I believe so, but I think Mueller called him back for more testimony.

He got away with child porn and he was given immunity during this investigation. What the actual fuck.

No idea what happened with the CP thing, but his immunity deal in this case means he has something substantial or he didn't commit a serious crime and cooperated from the beginning. Papa and Flynn both lied to the FBI, Nader may have been forthcoming.

The immunity was granted in exchange for Nader giving more testimony. If Nader did indeed flee to UAE then he has likely violated the conditions of immunity

“Thursday’s report suggests Nader might be done cooperating. According to the report, it would appear Mueller’s witness sought to exit the United States after The Atlantic earlier this month reported Nader had been indicted–though not convicted–on child pornography charges in 1985.”

Maryland
27 points · 4 months ago

IIRC the CP charges were in Ukraine, not here, but that doesn’t lessen the wtf of Nader.

New Jersey
30 points · 4 months ago

It wasn't just porn, he actually diddled the young boys in prague.

George Nader was convicted by Prague's Municipal Court of 10 cases of sexually abusing minors and sentenced to a one-year prison term in May 2003, court spokeswoman Marketa Puci told The Associated Press on Wednesday. She said the crimes occurred between 1999 and 2002. She said Nader served time in a Prague prison, though it isn't clear how much. He was then ordered expelled. Puci said Nader was convicted of "moral corruption of minors, sexual abuse and impairing morals," after abusing underage boys.

One year in prison, wow...

California
1 point · 4 months ago

This has to show up on a background check. How employers bring him on and shake his hand, let alone let him work in our highest office.

[deleted]
11 points · 4 months ago

Papa and Flynn did more than lie to the FBI. That’s what they plead down to in exchange for their cooperation. They were both looking at way more serious crimes that carry serious time.

I meant it more that Papa and Flynn didn't cooperate initially, it seems like Nader did.

Alabama
9 points · 4 months ago

"When you're a star, they let you do it"

I was going to object that the guy wasn't actually convicted of the CP charges and so we should be giving him the benefit of the doubt. But after reading the linked Atlantic article, he definitely did get away with CP.

California
31 points · 4 months ago

Yes

George Nader, a low-profile diplomatic go-between who has forged close ties to the Emirates, was stopped and questioned by the FBI at Dulles International Airport in January as he returned from an overseas trip, these sources say. Since then, he has been talking to Mueller's investigators and providing information to the grand jury.

Presumably he knows a lot more about some interesting intelligence crossroads.

24 points · 4 months ago

He’s basically connected to everything, Kushner, Prince, Cambridge Analytica, UAE, Russia...

Well, it's being reported by the Daily Mail apparently. So I'm a bit less inclined to believe it.

34 points · 4 months ago

No. More obstruction. Add it to the pile.

Oregon
18 points · 4 months ago

Your ad said "Justice! No more obstruction!"

No, it was "Justice? No! More obstruction!"

"I've appeared in front of every judge in this state--often as a lawyer."

Ha ha! finger pointing

Washington
1 point · 4 months ago

I’ll just put this over here, with the rest of the fire obstruction...

I did not flee country! says man who is no longer in the USA.

11 points · 4 months ago

Says attorney of man who is no longer in the USA.

FTFY

The simple fact that the Trump administration pulled this shit is just another Obstruction of Justice charge against them.

If they arranged for him to escape the country. Holy shit. That’s about as big of obstruction as you can get. This is insanity. Is the president helping witnesses to escape the country?

That is exactly what appears to be happening.

California
5 points · 4 months ago

Regardless, he has already given testimony to the Grand Jury.

He is a witness to be called at trial and he can be recalled to recount other shit too. This is a huge deal.

California
3 points · 4 months ago

I'm not downplaying his importance. As an asset, I would doubt we'll ever see him stateside again if he is the linchpin in a much larger global network. Mueller certainly got what he needed before letting him go.

Mueller got more than that if it can be proven that the Trump administration pulled strings for this to happen.

California
4 points · 4 months ago

...well now I hadn't considered this... are you suggesting Nader was a honeypot for the Trump administration?

I am.

Might be time for mueller to unseal some of those indictments and fire a warning shot at the administration. if this is true they're directly meddling with muellers investigation and he needs to send them a message. Preferably by frog marching Kushners dumb ass out of the White House

Nah, he'll let Trump continue to think that Trump is staying a step ahead of him. Right up until Trump falls in the spike pit.

138 points · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

If he did flee, it's because he's concerned about his safety. I don't think he fled. I think this is some sort of distraction put out by Murdoch's Daily Mail. Mueller would not have granted him immunity without getting all the interviews, documentation, and data he wanted.

The New York Times reports United Arab Emirates adviser George Nader is cooperating with the investigation and reportedly gave testimony to a grand jury last week. Nader has ties to both current and former Trump aides. Mueller appears to be investigating whether money flowing from the UAE to Washington influenced U.S. foreign policy, particularly regarding Qatar and the Saudi- and UAE-imposed blockade against its Gulf neighbor. The New York Times reports Nader attended a January 2017 meeting in the Seychelles, along with a Russian investor close to Putin and Blackwater founder Erik Prince, who served as an informal adviser to Trump during the transition and is also the brother of Betsy DeVos, Trump’s education secretary. The Seychelles meeting was brokered by the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates. A year later, in January, Nader was on his way to Trump’s private Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida to celebrate Trump’s first year in office, when he was was detained by the FBI at Washington Dulles International Airport and questioned for more than two hours.

Nader has a three decade history of working in the Middle East. '

He also had regular meetings with Steve Bannon while Bannon was in the WH.

Even more interesting than the "back channel", is the probable ME "Marshall Plan" involving nuclear energy/tech that ties a bunch of world-wide oligarchal traitors together.

With Nader's background, I would think he would be a great conduit to bring messages back and forth about the Flynn/Prince/Kushner/Barrack scheme to set up nuclear capabilities in the Middle East. Mike Flynn’s Promotion of Nuclear-Plant Project Went Deep Into the White House

Details of Mr. Flynn’s promotion of the project inside the White House first became public in September. Evidence now is surfacing about how far it progressed inside the administration, and how Mr. Flynn’s former staffer continued to promote it after Mr. Flynn left office in February.

During Trump's inauguration, Flynn texted a business partner in the deal, plan was good to go.. A whistleblower went to the House Oversight Committee with this information, and Mueller asked them to keep the information under wraps until the investigation was further along.

The whistleblower said Copson gushed that Trump's inauguration was "the best day of my life" because it meant his company's effort to create a U.S.-Russia energy partnership in the Middle East, which reportedly would have included more than two dozen nuclear plants in the region, was moving forward. Copson said Flynn was making sure Obama-era sanctions, which he claimed threatened the nuclear project, would be "ripped up," according to the whistleblower.

And the whistleblower said Copson flipped his phone around to reveal a text message he said came from Flynn describing the nuclear reactor project as "good to go." According to the account, the whistleblower didn't see the substance of the text but recalled seeing a 12:11 p.m. time stamp. At that time, Flynn was on the dais during Trump's inaugural address.

If Mueller can confirm the allegations, this is a huge conspiracy, and would lead to a lot of the big names being indicted and charged with some major crimes.

*He could also be looking into Cambridge Analytica (Bannon was on BOD). SCL, the parent company of Cambridge Analytica just registered for FARA. They were paid $333,000 in 2017 by UAE for a social media campaign that linked Qatar to terrorism.

And in the trump world of "weird coincidences":

Jared Kushner’s father met with Qatar’s minister of finance last April, to solicit an investment in the family’s distressed asset at 666 Fifth Avenue, according to a new report from the Intercept.

The Qataris shot him down.

Weeks later, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates organized a blockade of Qatar.

If he did flee, it's because he's concerned about his safety. Mueller would not have granted him immunity without getting all the interviews, documentation, and data he wanted.

Am I missing something? If he spilled his guts, wouldn't he want to stay here under US protection?

Maybe he is under witness protection. Story put out that he fled is a distraction.

wishful thinking... no way they tie it to Trump pulling strings if that's the case. that would be the stupidest move they could make.

It's murdoch's Daily Mail reporting here...

I don't think he fled. I think he's either not talking to press, traveling, or in hiding. He already gave up the info to get immunity, no reason to flee.

[deleted]
5 points · 4 months ago

The rumor is that the immunity doesn't cover the old CP charges. When they came out, he freaked and ran.

He already did jail time for the old charges, though. Why would he need to run?

[deleted]
5 points · 4 months ago

The case against him was dropped on procedural grounds, and the prosecutor from the case is declining to speak about it.

Ratfuckery.

[deleted]
4 points · 4 months ago

Getting a case dropped on procedural grounds isn't that easy. Whatever it was would have been a big fuck up.

It was a bad warrant. And the prosecutor responsible was... Joseph DiGenova! The latest attorney to join Trump's legal team.

Nope, not a joke. Actual thing that's happening.

No, the second case against him (in the early 90s) went through. Records of it were mysteriously unsealed in the last week. The prosecutor who almost got him in 1985, when the case was dropped on procedural grounds, is Joseph DiGenova. AKA the newest member of Trump's legal team.

... I wish I was fucking kidding. I really, desperately wish I was kidding.

3 points · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

He was already convicted in 1991. Can't be charged again for the same crime. But when I was looking it up, found this info:

Nader received a six-month sentence from a federal court in Northern Virginia in 1991 on a felony charge of transporting sexually explicit materials in foreign commerce, according to the newly released records and to prison records POLITICO obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

...

The Associated Press reported on Thursday that Nader was convicted in the Czech Republic in 2002 of 10 cases of sexually abusing minors. He received a one-year prison sentence in that case, a court spokeswoman said, according to The AP.

What the hell is with these people?

A few things about the story stick out. (1) If he was never charged with a crime, he cannot be detained just because, and (2) if he was charged with a crime and pleaded, he may be serving as a proactive cooperator. More on (1): while it's possible to detain material witnesses to secure their testimony at trial, we don't have a pending trial and everything indicates Nader already gave testimony to the GJ.

If the report is accurate that MBZ thought he was "pulling strings" to get Nader out, it's much more likely that Nader is serving as an active cooperator. A recorded conversation with MBZ about what MBZ knows or suspects about Mueller's investigation would be insanely valuable. High risk, though—guy could have a polonium accident or something.

that would be the stupidest move they could make.

Guaranteed Trump at least asked about it.

Yeah, you'd think so. Just wait until they make their actual move.

With a hostile Trump administration that can force through any action they want with full GOP support? No thanks. That's not protection.

Great Britain
7 points · 4 months ago

If he is concerned for his safety, the UAE is not the place to be.

You'd be surprised about the number of 'hits' that occur in the UAE.

Mueller would not have granted him immunity without getting all the interviews, documentation, and data he wanted.

I disagree. Remember Sam Nunberg's media meltdown tour not long ago? At that point Nunberg had only been interviewed, but had not complied with his subpoena or testified before a grand jury and he told Ari Melber that Mueller had given him immunity.

8 points · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

Here it is.

  • Nunberg was either drunk or having a complete and utter mental health crisis.

  • "They offered you immunity?" "Yes."

He wasn't granted immunity. He claims that he was offered immunity if he cooperated. Then had breakdown. Then days later he fully cooperated with the subpoena. Who knows the truth with this guy? And, we don't even have confirmed sources that Nader was given immunity... just unnamed sources. Who the hell knows what is going on here? But, Nader is a much bigger threat to trump and company than Nunberg, IMO.

But, Nader is a much bigger threat to trump and company than Nunberg, IMO.

I completely agree.

America
3 points · 4 months ago

Nothing to see here. Move along.

242 points · 4 months ago

according to a report issued early Thursday morning by British tabloid the Daily Mail,

Yeah i'm going to believe the Attorney over the Daily Mail.

To those of you who aren't aware; the Daily Mail is to news what a fresh, warm, steaming dog shit is to fine cuisine.

74 points · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

It’s (not) Murdoch (edit).

Think Fox News but marketed towards middle class English baby boomers who think they’re smart and posh but are neither.

This is the best description of the Daily Fail I have heard to date.

Great Britain
14 points · 4 months ago

It’s Murdoch.

Nope, not this twat, another one.

Paul Dacre's the editor of this shiterag and is generally regarded by anyone left of Goebbels as a nasty, racist, arsehole.

The 'newspaper' is infamous for its founder supporting the British Nazi party in the mid-30's when he wrote an article titled 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts'.

It's also been banned as a source by Wikipedia for the lying bollocks it spews forth.

Oh shit. My whole life I thought it was Murdoch.

Great Britain
5 points · 4 months ago

Same shit, different arsehole ;-)

I mean... So it's pretty much exactly the same as Fox News?

Fox News always came across as "news" for "Hard-working, determined, self-made, middle-class Boomers who are just about to become part of the top 1%..."

...any minute now."

Yes, but in a way that is acceptable to Hyacinth Bucket.

Sally fucking Webster. That prissy bitch.

At least your trash aspires to be smart and cultured.

the Daily Mail is to news what an order of two Big Macs, two Filet-o-Fishes or a well-done steak with ketchup is to fine cuisine.

[deleted]
8 points · 4 months ago

There is no way in hell this is true. I can't believe anyone is giving it any credence

America
17 points · 4 months ago

I'm remaining skeptical at the moment, but this does seem like something those in the Trump-thing's orbit would try.

OP’s article says that this guy travels regularly between the US and UAE, so confusion about his travel schedule probably led to the DailyMail article. So yeah, since only DailyMail is reporting it, this is probably a load of BS.

Let’s see if this hits big newspapers then I’ll believe it

Washington
5 points · 4 months ago

I mean, we all know the attorney's agenda here.

Could it be a false story to scare the dude into the open?

George Nader, a key witness in Robert Mueller‘s Russia probe has apparently fled the United States after being granted immunity

Holy shit

Why would someone flee after they’ve been granted immunity? Doesn’t that sort defeat the purpose of “fleeing”?

Surely the immunity he was given was contingent upon something and could be revoked if necessary.

Why would someone flee after they’ve been granted immunity?

Probably scared of something beyond the criminal justice system. Like Russian tea.

America
22 points · 4 months ago

Personally I'd feel safer from polonium in the US than the UAE.

[deleted]
14 points · 4 months ago

Unless he knows more about their saturation of the US than we do.

New Jersey
1 point · 4 months ago

Do you think he'd be more safe in his billionaire bunker/house he's built after years of double-agent espionage, or in a hotel in DC or NYC?

America
0 points · 4 months ago

A bunker's not going to stop Putin if he really wants you dead. The SVR has a lot of experience in engineering accidents, and the rule of law in the UAE is rather "negotiable."

Looks like polonium is back on the menu, boys.

Maryland
7 points · 4 months ago

Maybe somebody threatened him?

Where does his family live?

Florida
20 points · 4 months ago

Nice Try Vlad

We just want to protect Mr. George. He good man, and want to do what right for Great Again America!

Please tell, and I keep secret.

Maryland
2 points · 4 months ago

I will never tell! I have no idea

Why would someone flee after they’ve been granted immunity?

Because it is The Daily Mail, a tabloid, so they are going to use extreme language like "fled" when he may have just gone home.

New Mexico
2 points · 4 months ago

I'll give you a hint: it's not Mueller he's fleeing from.

Minnesota
1 point · 4 months ago

Once given immunity you can no longer plead the 5th. Means he has to tell the whole truth, even if it means sending people close to you to prison, or ruining business relationships.

Which could explain the fleeing, if he was granted immunity and then lied to the grand jury, he would be at risk of losing his immunity. My guess is Mueller caught him in a lie.

Maryland
13 points · 4 months ago

WTF? did he go to Russia? This is crazy.

No fellow American, he take vacation to collect thoughts. Be back soon. No worry please.

He is here with me, fellow american from Are Kansas. We in beautiful beach in Florida.

New Jersey
3 points · 4 months ago

do the needful

[deleted]
3 points · 4 months ago

Needful deliverables thank you

New Jersey
1 point · 4 months ago

Of course, hello friend, and thank you.

UAE

Washington
7 points · 4 months ago

He went to the UAE.

Maryland
9 points · 4 months ago

“pulled strings with U.S. officials” to secure Nader’s freedom of movement. It is not clear what form this alleged string-pulling might have taken.

WTF???

This is not confirmed, so it is probably misinformation to keep more people from flipping. Nader is probably still in the states hiding out somewhere.

[deleted]
2 points · 4 months ago

the idea that anyone involved with this is safe in Russia is so absurd. I always see people like "omg what if Kushner runs to Russia???"

uh then he gets killed

It was more sarcasm than a serious accusation. I hadn't had a chance to read the article yet. My point in asking was, you would think this would be the safest place for him to be, not somewhere closer to Russia.

[deleted]
1 point · 4 months ago

the entire idea that Nader skipped out is total bullshit. I detailed why in a different comment

Ok, I'm skeptical until I see more facts. I just stated this is crazy. I will read your comment and keep waiting for facts to either confirm or deny this story, which, on it's face seems pretty implausible.

RTA, he went to the UAE after strings were pulled by the Trump administration.

because immunity does not protect one from death.

Or lieing to a grand jury.

What happened to the multiple trending stories about George Nader that have been posted today? I can't find any of them, they seem to have just disappeared.

Washington
45 points · 4 months ago

They flew to the UAE

America
10 points · 4 months ago

As one does.

13 points · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

Ya, I just checked the top posts from the last 24 hours quite a ways down, far enough that I know my search should have included at least one story about Nader, and it's definitely gone.

WTF is going on?

Edit: ah, they were probably rehosted, w/ the NYT article being the only one they kept, which didn't actually have any discussion on it? Weird outcome; I get the policy, but weird outcome...

[deleted]
7 points · 4 months ago

They were rehosted content from a NYT article. there's no conspiracy involved. chill out

2 points · 4 months ago

Thanks. I didn't think conspiracy, just confusion. More worried I might be completely mis-remembering something, or that maybe that had been BS I'd fallen for before it was removed or something.

[deleted]
3 points · 4 months ago

for sure. the NYT article had a terrible headline which is why it was ignored. I think maybe at the next meta discussion users could work out a way to address this kind of issue

2 points · 4 months ago

Indeed, seems there should be a better middle-ground. Some way to port the largest conversation over or grandfather it into another thread? I'm not a CS person but that doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility for relational databases filled with comments and upvotes.

It's too bad. There was a lot of very good analysis in that DailyKos thread.

[deleted]
5 points · 4 months ago

I think in the case of rehosted content, if the mods don't get it soon enough and it generates a lot of discussion then it should stay up.

California
5 points · 4 months ago

It's not that great of a title for redditors. We like quick snappy headlines and no paywalls. That's why The Hill is so popular here. The big story about Nader getting immunity was buried in the middle of that big NYT piece. As someone said upthread, the sub needs a discussion on "rehosted content" because of issues like these. If it's already been submitted, I wouldn't be shocked if the mods are removing the duplicates.

[deleted]
1 point · 4 months ago

I think it's being actively repressed.

It's not being repressed. It was submitted and largely ignored because it had a shit headline which was changed by NYT to another shit headline.

This story was getting submitted continuously yesterday but so far have not seen it in the top posts.

I saw it doing pretty well in /rising, but I didn't click on it myself because the headline, once again, was shit and didn't look like news, but an expose on things we already knew. That kind of content doesn't do well usually.

And duplicate submissions get removed which is why it being submitted continuously doesn't matter

Something is fishy.

nothing is fishy; see above

[deleted]
1 point · 4 months ago

about him being granted immunity? probably removed for being rehosted content

"George Nader, who was cooperating with the Mueller investigation, has fled to the UAE after UAE officials “pulled strings” with the Trump administration, the Daily Mail reports "

George Nader, who was cooperating with the Mueller investigation, has fled to the UAE after UAE officials “pulled strings” with the Trump administration

Oh, that would explains why Nader noped back into Mueller's fold so quickly. He was offered up as a bartering piece by the Emirate.

[deleted]
20 points · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

One of the Daily Mail‘s anonymous sources said, “George Nader left the US. Where is he now?” Another anonymous source reportedly said:

George is back in the UAE, though I thought he’d be too scared to go there. The fact that he’s gone back there means he’s obviously not worried. But [Mohammed bin Zayed] is going to want to see him and know what he told the special counsel.

The Daily Mail completely sensationalized the sources' quotes. You all are freaking out over typical tabloid garbage, jesus

Thursday’s report suggests Nader might be done cooperating. According to the report, it would appear Mueller’s witness sought to exit the United States after The Atlantic earlier this month reported Nader had been indicted–though not convicted–on child pornography charges in 1985.

baseless speculation and jumping to conclusions

her client “is back and forth between the United States and the UAE regularly.” The fact of Nader’s admitted travel–and confusion regarding the particularities of his travel regimen–may be the source of Thursday’s report.

so his travels aren't unusual and weren't restricted by Mueller

New Jersey
13 points · 4 months ago

Uhm... shit. I hope Mueller has a plan B.

So not only was Russia involved, UAE was part of the collusion as well? The web is getting bigger.

That web has been growing lately far beyond the UAE. But if Nader already spoke his part then "fleeing" is immaterial.

If the Russians kill their traitors by poison, I'd hate to imagine what a middle-eastern country like the UAE would do to a traitor like Nader.

I'd assume Kushner can pull some strings for him there.

Can we get a better source than lawandcrime.com and the fucking daily mail?

[deleted]
4 points · 4 months ago

Here's the exclusive report by the DailyMail regarding this story.

Well. If this dude fled the country that puts this investigation in a very precarious place for all parties involved. Should be interesting to see it play out

I actually believe the guy's lawyer until proven otherwise by a reputable source. The Daily Mail is trash.

To be fair the child molesting Republican's lawyer is another lying Republican, so it is another lie.

They let Steve Bannon travel. He's just as bad.

Why would he do that?

Isn’t the UAE on the outs with trump because of him siding with the Saudis over them. Seems like a good place to hide if you were worried about trump coming after you.

Hasn't this guy been in legal trouble for child pornography dozens of times? I'm unsure he's much of a witness given his past criminal history alone. At what point does Nader finally go back to jail?

This gives the UAE even more power over Trump.

If he is in Russia then he's probably already dead with no trace of his body left. We won't ever see or hear from him again.

This should be higher up.

This nukka bounced

John Dowd has him on ice somewhere.

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