Didn't you get fired already?!
Hey, get back to work you ordinary Joe who isn't a Walton team member!
I don’t even hold Walton and this is getting old, lol
Thank you for your support. We're so glad to have you on board. Keep following us for more fully legit announcements and absolutely real competitions!
Edit: Oops we were so excited to reply we forgot to switch to the official Walton chain account.
I asked this before and didn't get much of a response:
Is there anywhere we can see any of Waltonchain's actual code? Their github is empty and there is nobody who can testify to the quality of their code. In fact, nobody can attest to the quality of ANY of their products except for a youtuber who visited them once and was shown some RFID chips.
It seems people assume they have "amazing tech", "solid fundamentals," etc, but it's all based on these open-to-interpretation partnerships. Nobody has seen any of their tech. Is this correct?
Well, considering that there are other projects that literally copy paste their model... I think open source at this point would be giving away the farm.
sure, they can release their code whenever they want.
i only ask for honesty from the WTC community in not hyping up a product that neither they - nor anyone outside - has seen.
Fair enough. I've tried the beta. Mined on several different machines. Transferred tokens. It was fast and user friendly. Could be prettier and there was a couple quirks, but it seems to get the job done.
What does this show exactly... they were able to fork a blockchain? How is this impressive?
It's a serious question. So you were able to do some mining and transfer some tokens on a testnet. What does this show exactly? And why should we impressed?
Lol. You asked for experiences. I just shared mine.
This part of it works. Is it impressive on its own? No.
The impressive part is the reward structure and the RFID chips which I trust are real.
They've won countless awards for their innovative blockchain and RFID technologies, including a govt subsidy to mass produce their chips after receiving the highest award at the Jinjiang Competition alongside Huawei, China Telecom, ZTE, Sony Ericsson, etc. They've been held in high praise by several local chinese govts for their technology who have contracted them for different smart projects.
Their code will be open sourced when they release main net which has been recently confirmed from the team to be on track for March.
How do you know those awards were for having a working product as opposed to having a great conceptual idea or plan? How do you know they weren't given out to best-in-blockchain and there weren't many other viable competitors out there?
Their mainnet isn't ready so by definition they don't have a fully working product, but how do you know those officials from a few local governments fully analyzed their test/betanet code and sensors and deemed it successful, of high quality, and with a lot of imminent potential rather than just shaking a few hands, talking to a few influential company executives, and praising what sounds like a good idea?
It just seems there's a huge range of possibilities here. I'm not saying 100% this thing is going to be bad. I'm just saying the amount of evidence that it's going to be good is still pretty sparse - and is enormously hindered by their dubious marketing practices which are proven.
And this isn't some small cap coin anymore. At half a billion dollars, if I were to take that risk and go long on "fundamentals," I would want more confirmations than what we have above. But instead, I suspect people are just in it to ride the short-term speculative wave. Which is fine. but when the team itself is in on pumping up the price, that's where they cross a line.
Hammer, meet head of nail
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How many is countless because I bet I can count that high.
It means a myriad, or many. :|
It was flippant of me, I’m sensitive to shilling of late, but I also am curious genuinely. I’m not a holder in this or any competitor.
There are other ways to assess the calibre of the team. Perhaps look them up on Google patents and find their dozens of patents?!
They announced a partnership with one of the biggest coffee companies in China, I don't know what you expect. Walton was already a very well-known project before the giveaway, now it's even more on the radar. It's still going to be top 10. Very few projects have use cases as varied and legitimate as Walton.
I didn't expect a bunch of meaningless cheerleader-type posts to be upvoted so much, that's for sure.
At least one guy posted a quote on how it's being used specifically.
Yeah, seeing all these “WTC best in world!”-type of posts caught me a bit off guard when I first visited the comment section.
I mean, it literally is, but ok.
Can I ask you where you saw the Ishija is one of the biggest coffee companies in China?
Like if you google them the first result that is actually related to them is literally the link that OP posted. Doesn't seem like the "biggest coffee company in China" unless literally any info about them is stuck behind the GFW.
Xiamen Ishijah Trading Co., Ltd. focuses on airport business services. It is the №1 coffee brand of the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC). In 2011 it was officially authorized by the Diaoyutai State Guesthouse to become the first and only coffee brand in Fujian province, and the only coffee brand in airport service area to obtain distribution rights of Diaoyutai Coffee, a coffee brand especially served to heads of foreign states and VIPs during official visits.
Yeah I read that too but it doesn't answer my question.
Edit: from the limited details available about ishijah combined with the fact that China mostly prefers tea to coffee, makes me think this partnership is not as important as everyone is thinking it is
It's just the start of IoT food and beverage management, and it's being rolled out to massive airports all over China. If you don't see what's coming then I don't know what else to tell you. These things snowball, just like their smart cities, smart manufacturing, and smart agriculture will.
Is this serious? Lmao I don’t know a single coffee vendor that doesn’t sell tea aswell. Your comment is the pure definetion of grasping at straws lol.
I think you missed the point. Seems OP is a happy Walton holder who is laughing at the FUD from yesterday
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"This partnership with ISHIJAH deals with the practical application of RFID and blockchain technologies in the catering industry. By adopting RFID tags bound to food ordered by clients, and utilizing the RFID smart billing platform, the brand-new chip-based smart billing model is established. Data is loaded to the chain automatically and the accurate integrated management of food and beverage services is achieved."
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Also bytom partnership might be incoming.
So happy I bought the dip...up 15% already!!! Love how ppl get so emotion when it comes to investing.
It's such an emotion/psychological driven market, way too easy to take advantage.
I remember when Vitalik defended Childporn publicly on twitter. ETH went from $22 to $7. Which is when I bought.
Always buy ideological dips. Because it has nothing to do with the product. The price of tokens/stock represents how viable of a business case they have not how ideologically sound the team members/employees are.
this is not the first and only time he did something like this. He has been defending childporn or alluring to childporn being ok or morally just almost a hundred times now. I'm honestly surprised it didn't became a meme over the years.
But honestly he is genuinely autistic and probably can't understand the nuance of why it is wrong so people are cutting him some slack.
he is autistic? really?
Oh, you didn't know?
Well I mean calling someone austistic isn't really constructive but I wouldn't be surprised if he were. Anyway he obviously didn't express what he was thinking properly so he deleted it.
Oh it is a meme on /biz/.
He argues simple possesion of childporn should not be a crime. Most people over react especially given the context of who he is. Someone theoretically could upload childporn to the blockchain, which would result in everyone running a node being in possesion of it. He will argue it further than than but essentially he considers child porn data and does not feel that possessing data no matter the content should be illegal.
Ok i mean id agree with you in other cases but this wasnt emotional investing...It being likely a company pulled such a trick and making an investment decision based on that is totally fair
Yeah silly people investing in companies they trust over ones that have shaken that trust by their actions
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the dip was such an easy buy!
Yeah it's like some people care about the integrity of a company. Crazy right?!
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This is what I like to see!
Gonna check that out in reallife :D
Reallife, whats that?
good luck. there are less than 20 locations in all of china according to Gaode Maps
Witnessing revolution, save that RFID tag to show your grandchildren :).
This is great, everybody loves coffee!
OMG!😭Can't believe the real world adoption ! Thank you Walton team ! ❤️I will be buying this dip and commenting great stuff under your tweets and up-voting any post related to you! keep doing the great work. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🚀🚀🚀
This is so awesome!!!
Should say, "Ishijah partners with the No. 1 global IoT blockchain project, Waltonchain."
2018 gonna be the year of Waltonchain
"Currently, Waltonchain is at the stage of real world implementation of Waltonchain technology. At this stage, both the Waltonchain team, and Silictec with its subsidiaries, will capitalize on the market resources in their respective industries to lay a solid foundation for steady growth. We firmly believe that in the future, Waltonchain will be applied to all walks of life, and realize the new global business ecosystem."
But they can't design a website. Jk I'm a walton holder, but some of their decisions are just baffling.
Not disagreeing with you, but the project is still very young compared to others, and their main focus from the beginning was to focus on the tech and b2b connections in their target markets. I would like to see improvements regarding the marketing aspect to casual (western) investors aswell, but i have faith in their decision to focus heavily on building the essential hard factors first
Not sure if you’ve been here since then, but did you see the old AntShares (now NEO) website? Or their first NEO website after the rebrand? They were just as bad as WTC’s, but in time they fixed it (took a while though).
Something about Chinese companies shows they have trouble with developing simple websites, even if everything else they have is golden. Maybe they don’t care enough about us English speakers for our website, but who knows.
差不多 (cha bu duo) basically means "close enough" in mandarin and it explains every aspect of business and their concepts of professionalism.
hence the trash websites, dishonest promotions and competitions, numerous typos, etc in most chinese-run companies.
its also why your electrician might accidentally leave a live wire touching the pipe to your kitchen sink.
Any idea why this is a common occurrence in China? Also, is this also common in South Korea? As WTC has a South Korean office as well.
ive never been to south korea so i cant say, but based on stereotypes it doesnt seem like it.
in china its socially conditioned. Nobody cares about anyone that isnt a part of their family or direct social circle, so they feel no obligation to do a good job. couple that with the fact that almost no business promotes based on merit, but rather based on 关系 (guanxi), or roughly translated your connections. Why should i work hard or do a good job if the credit or promotion is going to go to the bosses nephew no matter how well i do. If im the bosses nephew then why should i take the trouble to do a good job when ill get the rewards no matter what.
on top of that you have an education system that intentionally doesnt teach critical thinking skills in order to protect their kleptocratic government. A side effect of that is that chinese people rarely think of novel solutions to problems or take risks. they simply do what they are told to do, or the first thing that comes to mind without considering logical conclusions.
for example, yesterday i watched my coworker try to drive the wrong way down a one way street. when she met oncoming traffic she backed up, circled the block, and tried to drive down the same one way street, because this was the route she was shown on a prior trip. She repeated this 4 more times before i got out of the car and walked the rest of the way in frustration. She had no idea why i was even upset.
and yes, we could have just turned up a block in the grid system and driven down the one way road going in the correct direction to arrive at our destination.
Low effort paid shill
the year of waltonchain
redditor for 7 months
KILL THE SHILL
Real world adoption! Gotta love this!
Partners keep coming and mainnet is less than a month away.
Yeah, this project is totally legit!! Thanks Walton 👨❤️👨👩👩👧👦👨👨👧👦👨👨👦👦👩👩👦👦👩👦👦👚🤠
This has made me 2.14x happier today.
Crazy how the sentiment of reddit changed from "Walton is a scam" to "Walton is going to the top 10" in just 2 days. I was an early investor in WTC, but I personally lost my trust in them after the twitter fuck up. I don't care about the 2 WTC or whatever they gave to themselves. I care about integrity and honesty and this whole ordeal showed that they don't have it.
Someone explained that in China it's common for people in companies and business to take part in all sorts of competitions, exercises, etc
Yup they fucked up, but it looks more like a staff member fucked up - and in future they should absolutely close any competition (no matter how small) to any internal members
Something we in the West seem to do by default in most cases
Has that one instance utterly shattered and undone everything else the company has been doing? Personally I wouldn't think so
Also the conspiracy of them "fixing" a competition for a measly $50 seems a bit far-fetched (also other outsiders won). More implausible than an employee who won a prize screwing up and posting from the official twitter
This post is full of shillers!
You mean WTC holders who write positive and supportive comments for their project that they believe in? i dont see no SHILLS.
They have shill bots. There’s multiple accounts posting identical comments, shows how scammy they are
They're so shamelessly pathetic...never getting into WTC and I'm glad the Reddit community is roasting the daylights out this company.
They also dox naysayers so be careful
It really is crazy. I suspect that the vast majority of comments in here are payed shills as well tho. While I generally think that the Tech is more important then PR bullshit (thats why I dont give a shit that ppl don't like the IOTA dev for example), what WTC did was flat out scamming and they might be scamming with other things as well.
i honestly suspect this too. I was weirded out reading all the top comments speaking so glowingly after the nonstop flaming the past 2 days. They are all highly upvoted and there are so many of them.
I really don't buy their excuse that a walton employee, who also had access to their main twitter, won AND forgot to sign out. those events have a low likelihood of happening. all happening at the same time? thats a stretch. not impossible, but makes me suspicious enough to look deeper. Factor in they were banning people who were asking about it and WTC wasnt offering up any explanation. If they had stated that 'excuse' right away it might be slightly more believable. Now it comes off like a PR spin. The 'proof' video they provided wasnt proof at all, it could have just been spitting out hard coded names to match the published list. on top of that, nobody has seen the code since it isn't open source and we essentially take their word for its quality. Have you seen their site by the way? for a tech company it is absolutely unacceptable. basic web practices are not followed all over the place.
Sending reddit shills to try and impact sentiment on reddit is consistent with waltons character for what i'm seeing. I sold my small bags yesterday. I don't view it as 'silly twitter fud', i see it as a serious credibility issue, something that is paramount in the speculative crypto game
Personally sold all of my stake in WTC after this thread: http://goedhartvoordieren.nl/?page=r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7us39r/waltonchain_team_members_visited_welfare_center/
No bigger red flag than WTC knights leaving the project because of their claim of false partnerships. Then they got attacked by the community claiming that they took bribes to the tune of 5 million to start false rumors or relay information to V which is laughable. Couldn't believe the level of vitriol in that thread. The WTC team's response to this twitter fiasco affirms my beliefs that they are not completely honest with the community
holy crap, i feel like more people need to see this....that was shocking. any doubt i had about selling my walton is long gone. red flags literally everywhere
Yeah, just had a quick glance at it again, they also attacked one of the guys' wives, so fucking embarrassing what people will do to earn a quick buck
So what did you buy from your WTC profits?
Positive comments for a coin with strong fundamentals?!?!? Must be paid shills! Can’t be organic...
R&D team =/= Public Relations team. The ship will sail on, without that PR member and without you.
McDonald's monopoly game was rigged one year. Did their burger sales go down? No.
Get over the twitter incident.
Same here. Trust is everything in this space. Glad I sold my bags.
This dope sauce.
And 100% reason to remember the name
Oh reddit, you fickle-minded son of a b*tch
WaltonChain is one bullish motherfucker. Anybody who is denying that, especially based on some overblown twitter bullshit, is plain ignorant
overblown twitter bullshit
As ridiculous as it was for people to be condemning WTC as a scam after what happened, it is still a major blow to their authenticity.
This is what he meant by "overblown". This "incident" doesn't even compare to the United Airlines employee literally dragging their paying customer off of the airplane. How long did that blow to their authenticity last?
Do you think amazon, apple, McDonald’s, google, or any other big companies ever pulled this shit before? Probably. Does it make them garbage. No.
Also I hold no WTC. This whole thing is overblown.
I didn't say it made WTC garbage. But it is a terrible look for a company's PR.
I agree it is bad for its pr but it still has valid partnerships. They done goofed
Shilling? uhuh ..
Just because you are a member of the cult of Walton that doesn't make you a shill. It makes you a believer and evangelist.
Shills are paid promoters. The only pay he's getting will be when mainnet opens up and he puts his Walton to work.
I feel like 80% of the comments in here were written by the same person.
WTC has minor issues dealing with the Western world, but always comes through delivering results where it matters. Their partnerships and tech are going to blow the market up!!!!
80% of my portfolio is in WTC also ;-)!
At least you're consistent. I shill for wayyy to many projects not named Monero.
My accounts much older, and I agree with him. Although to be honest, many of my recent comments are pro-wtc too. I research everything I invest in deeply, and that’s why 56% of my portfolio is WTC
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Furthermore, the meme started this week. Hardly recycled.
Be less nazi mods
It definitely is, people have been copy-pasting it everywhere lately so it counts as a "recycled meme."
Key word. Should let memes ride in the first week or so man. If thats all that gets posted two weeks from now then maybe consider removing. At least in the comments (not submissions) should be more lenient
How big of a coffee company is this? They have one in Terminal 2 at PEK in Beijing
Waltonchain keeps delivering the things that matter - technology and partnerships. No amount of coordinated FUD can derail waltonchain from becoming a premier blockchain of China and the world
We all know shilling takes place here, but these comments are so blatant and inorganic it's an embarrassment to the sub.
WTC, if this your take on damage control you have systemic management issues.
Caught me. I got paid 1300% for my efforts so far.
Looking forward to 60,000% @ the end of the year.
Good question, it was covered in an AMA.
Q4: Why Walton does not have a GitHub?
Answer: We will have a GitHub. We will provide the GitHub for our full node, light node, wallet, etc. We want everything to be thoroughly tested before public access. Also, our software rollout has to be aligned with hardware R&D.
They also later stated: Yes, we will update some code on Github, but not this time. Be patient.
Ok I understand that - and it's quite reasonable for a start-up that is barely 6 months old to not release their code.
What I don't understand is the assumptions made and all the hype which purport to know that WTC has some unbelievable tech that is ready for real-world adoption and which change the world, blah blah.
Everything is behind closed doors and we have no idea the quality or progress of their tech. It may just be as crappy as their new website - it's certainly a possibility, right?
The only thing that outside investors have to go off of is "partnerships" which can mean anything from "woah this is legit - we've actually run tests on it and plan to use it" to "uh ok this looks interesting, let's set up a joint preliminary venture to see where this might go but no guarantees at all"
Does this situation justify people chanting cultishly about "amazing tech" and "solid fundamentals" and practically demanding multi-billion dollar valuations, as they were doing before the twitter scandal? Eh
I agree the website is pretty bad but we should not judge a team of engineers by a front-end work.
Ok - but what else should we judge them by? We haven't seen any of their work. It should be a big question mark - a black box. But everyone seems enamored with the "amazing tech" and "solid fundamentals" of a 6 month project which we have seen nothing for - nothing other than paper partnerships and dubious marketing practices.
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Their code will be partially released on GitHub after mainnet. It will not be fully open source as they want to protect the novelty of their tech.
Ok - I'm just underlining the point that nobody knows if they have great tech or not, nobody can justifiably hype it up as having great tech because nobody has seen it. It could be a major dud just like their website. It's an important point to make because lots of people just ASSUME they have great tech because other people parrot it and nobody questions.
They have done numerous test flights already with a couple of their partners which were successful. Also there is a smart waste management pilot going on right now. And there is the experience and the numerous patents of the team.
Do we have reports - by the partners - of how successful those "test flights" were? If not, again, we know nothing about the tech. I'm not saying it's going to be bad. I'm just saying we don't know. And since we don't know, it's irresponsible of everyone constantly touting the amazing tech, AS IF they knew, which they don't. We can only rely on the fact that certain partnerships (whatever that means) exist.
I see where you are coming from mate. We have no solid PROOF of the tech, no. However, by the time we actually can inspect and see the proof you are talking about the project will be valued much higher.
Its up to you if you want to take the risk and jump in early or you want to wait and audit and get in when the masses do.
Fair enough, if WTC supporters admitted that they have no idea if the tech is actually good or not.
But 99% of the time they're getting hyped about "amazing tech" and "working product" when they have absolutely no idea. It's just hilarious
We do have an idea. We just haven't seen the proof yet. Numerous awards have been won due to the tech and its use cases. We've seen the numerous patents the team holds as they are public.
We do know what the tech is and the support it has received so far. This is why people state such things. Yes - there is no proof as public code yet, but you cannot expect that from a project which is yet to be launched.
What awards? From what I read, the parent company (separate from walton the blockchain/rfid project) won an award for some waste management system. Ok.. so?
As for patents, ok, some members of the team hold patents from previous projects That means they should be competent or great engineers, so what?
No, that separate project is a wholly owned subsidiary of Waltonchain. And they have won awards. You're in here making a bunch of assumptions when its obvious you have not done any research.
lol the bot removed my comment because I shared another /r.
Please go to waltonchain reddit, click on the first stickied thread 'All-in-one Thread' and scroll down to 'News and Awards'. You can see there are plenty of awards :)
waltonchain CEO predicted walton to be top 4 crypto.
HEADLINE: Local CEO Says His Company Will Be Successful
People are still in shock, surprised that a CEO would have the audacity to claim that his company will be successful. No CEO in the history of business has ever said such bold words about his own company.
It was actually the Coinnest CEO who made this prediction about Walton first. And then there was the Manager of China Mobile who called Waltonchain "The next Alibaba".. which kinda goes into a similar direction.
Omg! 😭Can’t believe Walton team announced something! ❤️ Great job Walton team we are so lucky to have you!! 💪💪💪🚀🚀🚀
Cant wait for WaltonChain to give away free coffee to themselves!
walton is releasing android and IOS apps. youll just walk into the stores, order your drink on a machine, and walk right out. ultimate additive value
Living in China for many many years. Never heard of this brand. 山寨 coffee place
Based on coin supply and Walton's ability to scale up with 10,000's of company side chains and more.. well, my target price for Walton starts at around $500 and up from there.
Man, if the contest debacle didn't turn me off, shilling non important coffee companies was the kicker
Thanks to the Twitter-gate dip yesterday I got a great position into WTC!!!! WOW the timing is excellent, can't believe I got the chance with this one.
All the math says this is going Global, best tech, best hardware, no silly API 3rd party security risk like the main competitor - $1000 per token within 18 months.
Hey WTC team, you messed up with your shill bot. You've already posted this comment here with a different account:
I hope your blockchain code goes through more rigorous testing than your shill bots.
Could be a bot made by an investor and not WTC. Fail anyway, I'm staying away from these guys.
'they faked their $40 competition' 'its a scam'
GET A GRIP PEOPLE
People just sheepishly repeat what they hear. PR team fucked up, but has nothing to do with the core team and what they are accomplishing.
This was so obviously blown out of proportion it's not even funny.
It’s actually hilarious
it was actually really funny if you're in their slack - MEME-mania.
everyone's so confident there they can laugh about the situation
Yup, it was pretty funny overall and this is coming from a major walton holder. WTC was an inside job
Every positive comment about WTC = Paid shill
Can someone please hook me up with that deal? If i like WTC and get accused of being a paid shill every time i voice it I might as well get paid doing it lol
All indications are that Ishijah is a very small brand in the grand scheme of things. (still looking for more info if any Chinese people could weigh in)
Partnerships with reputable companies of any size are always good but this isn't exactly a blockbuster and not enough to wash the taste of that twitter faux pas out of my mouth.
Yeah they tiny, mom and pop lcations, and each one is also individually franchised, so could even just be one location, not entirety of the small brand.
How dare you spread that FUD!
But for real have you checked out their website? What a fucking joke. This entire subreddit is full of shills and morons.
Yeah, I was hoping it was just their English site that was bad and maybe the Chinese one is better.
Hmm only about 15 shops in all of China..
Starbucks and Pacific Coffee are king here. Not this no name mini chain.
Call this fud all u want. It wont change how many stores they have
Edit: It's just airport coffee...and most airports have Starbucks here.
Bet the cup o joe run ya bout ohhhh... 2.14
OMG!😭Can't believe the awesome partnership! Thank you Walton team ! ❤️I will be shilling this coin until i die. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🚀🚀🚀
Very happy with kucoin. Never had any trouble withdrawing anything. Never any trouble on Gdax, Gemini or any other exchange really.
P A R T N E R S H I P S
nice. will they make a Gateway so I can use $COF CoffeeCoin on the wavesplatform too?
If you want evidence that coins are shilled. This is the thread.
If someone here has too much time: browse history of shillers and produce stats about them.. that could be very informative
$2.14 cup of coffee please ☕️
Oh, so sweet, only shillers top first 20+ comments. Nothing suspicious here, move along LE: ALL COMMENTS ARE SHILLERS :))) LE2: So, remember, it's about no1 (favorite) coffee of a small(?) institution in China!!!! And top comments are about REAL LIFE ADOPTION :))) $WTC lost all integrity with this reddit post
Literally the Top comment is the opposite of shill.
This resource should help you with your next assessment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dihlSqall3k
Nice try bot :))) Literally the top comment is someone that say he'll upvote everything and keep up the good job Walton.
Yes my human friend. This is EXACTLY what it is.
It's a chinese company, the GREED is great with them. I have worked in China for many years and never met such backstabbing lying bunch of people. Of course, they are not all that, but it is the CULTURE that is like that. Being back in the western world makes me enjoy challenge/conversation/honesty and doing the right thing. You can make money being honest... for many chinese it does not work that way. Look at the babymilk scandal, streetfood oil from sewage water, chicken soup which is actually cardboard paper soaked in chicken broth.
Think the coca cola kid is some mysterious guy that talks about /echain ? all local PR of shilling and pumping it up.
China. many great people, messed up culture
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