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Germany plans global intervention to stop Trump's trade war

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119 points · 1 month ago

Get ready for the NK and Cuban style 'they are all against us, because we are so great' retort.

Sometimes, when you think they don't understand you becuase you are so great it's really becuase you are just an asshole and unlikable.

"They hate our freedoms"

"They hate us cause they anus"

When everyone else is an asshole, you're the asshole.

-31 points · 1 month ago(9 children)

how is the world exploiting the States? explain, sources please.

Do you require sources for America's imports vs exports being far different?

Not being smart ass, I'll go hunt them down if you are generally unfamiliar with them. Quite a few folks look at the major discrepancies as ok is why I ask.

that is exactly what i am asking. it was not a rhetorical question.

The quick answer as to why the US runs a trade deficit is because the dollar has been so strong for so long, everyone wants it. When looking at trade, people often leave out currency trading and all the money skimmed off the top that goes to the US for basically being the hegemon, establishing international trust, ensuring the benefits of free trade, trust, comparative advantage. Financial powerhouses don't need to balance out trade deficits with more exports.

We also aren't seeing headlines about financial markets. We get headlines about steel, dairy, random commodities. There has historically been a lot of news about the dollar losing power, because there's so much riding on that.

I can find some articles about why the US runs a trade deficit later. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just the reason I was given. I have a very poor understanding of financial markets and currency trading.

So you support raising American wages and eliminating prison labor to end worker exploitation?

heads exploding

Yes, it’s really fun living in Wisconsin and hearing trump supporters argue against globalism and then asking them why they support massive tax breaks for an Asian company coming here to use our Great Lakes.

Hell yeah that'd be great.

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Who would of thought 75 years ago that Germany would help save us from the US

Sorry to be a dick but "Who would have thought". I don't know why changing 'have' to 'of' tripped me up so much.

But yes 75 years ago you would have been slapped for suggesting that Germany would help anyone but themselves.

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You're doing good friend.

You have a better grasp of English than most people who speak it as a first language. Again I apologize if it seemed rude.

Not very good at helping themselves, it’s not exactly a paradise at the mo.

its going to damage the US the least which is probably why trump wants to do it in the first place.

You overestimate the global popularity of the US

3 points · 1 month ago

What does that have to do with trade?

We don't "like" China but we buy hundreds of billions more per year from them than we do Europe.

-30 points · 1 month ago(More than 22 children)

The US can not be self sufficient. It is my understanding that after a period of time, energy reserves would dwindle, leaving the country screwed. That is just one area.

The fact that you don't understand why the U.S.A. is receiving such a poor reputation, is the problem. Not you specifically, but the millions of Americans like you. American foreign policy, interference, and bullying has resulted in deep animosity from people in other nations, some as extreme as hatred. US citizens don't seem (the key word here) to make their government change on many aspects of foreign relationships, countries, making it seem as if the average Joe is fine with those actions. The US has a long history of pissing off other.

As for the U.S.A. defending other countries, it may pay to research why they "defend" some nations while doing nothing in others. As a Canadian, I hope that America never attempts to "defend" us. I imagine that once the real oil shortages kick in, we will be encouraged to accept Americas defence.

-1 points · 1 month ago

lol, so rich from a Canadian. Never having to worry about national defense because they share a border with the strongest military the Earth has ever seen. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

You are on crack. Canada does not need the US to protect it.

As for biting the hand that feeds, think of this: Where does a huge percentage of Americas oil needs come from? We feed the gas guzzling country, and have for years. The US needs to get over itself.

The thing is, the US isn't self sufficient, but a importer on a grand scale. And the problem is that, while, as a part of military defensive pacts the US helps quite alot, it has a history of being economically opressive to other nations, sees itself above international law (regularly not accepting international courts, not participating in fundamental treaties, while expecting everyone else to participate and be bound by it), and uses its leverage to push people into conflicts and than back out while others try to repair the damage (the current situation in the middle east, in special the refugee-crisis, can be traced back to the Iraq-war and other activities in the middle east). Many of the dangers that the US protects the world from were created by the US, for example iran was created because the Iranian King in the past was not US-economical friendly, but rather had his interests in the EU, one US backed change of government later, everything went in chaos and lead to the taking over of the current extremist government.

The biggest problem however is that the military-ideas of the US had its usage mostly in the time of the cold war, and since than, the world has moved on, increasing economic intigration repalced the need for guns and weapons of mass distruction, and military intervention are regularly the main reason the situation spirals out of controle. The problem is: The US sucks at international integration and the calm soft-skill based diplomacy.

the US isn't self sufficient, but a importer on a grand scale.

How long can this last anyways?

importing? Probably permanently. The idea os self-sufficiency is outdated, international economic intigration is what will probably be the future until a grand catastrophy will destroy our modern technology. Production-chains are linked all over the world, food production is now where the food grows the best, cooperation is now ensuring the peace in the world. The reason the EU stopped with their constant warfare is because we grew together and hurting our neighbour is now much more painful than discussing stuff out.

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i agree, war culture didnt age well, but i still think the US is a net positive encouraging trade and protecting countries

the problem with US encouraging trade is that the US trade policies in the past were mostly designed to enable the people that donate in US election with treaties that help them the most, and regularly pushed the other nations in conditions that hurt the population in the long-run. The nations that were all into TTIP were these that had from the pre-EU-times still rather opressive trade-agreements, and that hoped that an EU-US-trade agreement (which would overrule these old agreements) would make their situation better. CETA and TTIP also showed quite some differences, with regulatinos of TTIP trying to give the US more power in interfering with EU decisions for their own market.

So, yes, the US is enabling trade, but in a way that many nations see as rather egoistical and harmful to them.

-5 points · 1 month ago(0 children)

Difficult to do at the moment. These claims are from 3/4 year of work on an international law project as well as the course on international investemnt law in university. Maybe I find the time eventually to make an online research for that.

I agree with what you are saying above, but you really don’t have any sources saved from a 3-4 year law project? Not even a single bookmark or anything?

You say 'defends' 170 countries, I say over 900 military bases around the world and currently bombing 7 different countries, just to start with. We are not the reason trade exists...

Actually, we managed just fine in Europe for thousands of years before America was even a thing.

0 points · 1 month ago

we managed just fine in Europe for thousands of years before America was even a thing.

Give me a fucking break. If it weren't for the US economic (and then military) support, you'd be speaking German or Russian right now.

Dude, I go drinking in a bar older than your entire country. Don't think that you know everything about how the world works.

1 point · 1 month ago

Dude, I go drinking in a bar older than your entire country.

Haha. What a shame that such a young country became the most powerful nation in mankind's existence.

Don't think that you know everything about how the world works.

I don't. But you should thank the US that you don't speak Russian or German. Sorry if that fact upsets you.

Haha. What a shame that such a young country became the most powerful nation in mankind's existence.

What a shame that you are currently fucking all that up. We had an empire that spanned the entire world and lost it, so don't kid yourself into thinking that everything lasts forever.

The way Trump is carrying on, the entire world is gonna end up speaking Russian anyway.

0 points · 1 month ago

What a shame that you are currently fucking all that up.

lol, how? By demanding fair trade?

Dude, we invaded Iraq for practically zero reason. It was a total sham. And guess what? Nobody stopped us. Some people bitched and moaned, but no one actually did shit.

If shit like the Iraq War didn't "fuck all that up", then the current administration's demand for fair trade deals and attempts to make peace with North Korea certainly won't.

The way Trump is carrying on, the entire world is gonna end up speaking Russian anyway.

lol. What a retarded claim. Don't be a fool.

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-9 points · 1 month ago(3 children)


And at least northern Europe has been doing a lot better than the US for years.

Which is like saying the u.s is ok because Texas is doing great.

The EU is undergoing cultural decline and demographic replacement.

Article is dumbed down. For example - "Yet an unreleased internal White House analysis reveals that reveals the tariffs are bad for business and the American economy."

I do better than that with my 60 second internet jabs.

-3 points · 1 month ago

Dumbed down? It's straight propaganda.

Shareblue is deeply partisan and exist to publish this kind of article.

18 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Europe/China should do one simple thing. Target the American rich who back Trump, and make them poor. Find any old excuse to ban them from traveling internationally, fine them for tax evasion. American elite who back Trump and his businesses should be targeted so that they fail.

Thank Christ youre just a basement dwelling redditor and not in charge of actual policy. What an absolutely stupid plan.

Interestingly i'm purely advocating a policy that's been enacted by the US government already. Clearly, you haven't been paying attention. If a trade war is what Trump wants, then give him one he regrets. Unfortunately, we're dealing 'basement dwelling' idiot in charge of the largest economy in the world.

What policy does the US have which produces the results youre advocating? And you must not know Trumps history. Hes been famous for decades and made his bones probably since you were in diapers. Basement dweller he is not.

0 points · 1 month ago

As someone who can only deal in epithets, let me retort. You’re an imbecile who sucks at the teat of the Trump propaganda campaign. Trump is a paid up shill. He has no policy of his own. He’s paid for by his Neo-con masters (who are in his government). Time to liquidate these idiots/extremists.

You think that a man that has inherited his wealth and has gone bankrupt several times is a genius? He is basically a gangster and a bully. The bully of the playground may get some glory in the short term, but in the end he will end up failed bum just like you.

I see, so you can't name a specific policy or law on the books that advocate the claims you have made.

Who is paying Trump? He is independently wealthy, spent his own money during his campaign. Who is he beholden to?

Yes, he is a genius. He has done something right. He owns properties all over the world, he ruled the entertainment industry for a time period, he's a family man with children, grandchildren, and then went up against the most notorious name in political history and WON.

Against the DNC, against his own party, he still came out on top and in the big seat.

You are speaking out of your ass and you're a salty anti-Trumper who has accomplished not 1/8 of what the president has. Don't make me laugh.

Haha, are you absolutely naive? Do you think Trump being ‘independently’ wealthy (or bankrupt) means you don’t get paid? A guy as corrupt as he is probably needs to bat off hell of a lot of lawsuits. He is not going to be immune from prosecution forever. After the presidency the man should be fair game (unless he becomes dictator-in-chief, which I’m sure you would support). He’s probably buying his freedom as we speak. The guy has allies and as I said before he is gangster. Gangsters never work alone. I’m not salty, but I am calling out your naivety here. This is a power game chump, get a book and learn about the real world.

So two times Ive asked you to name something specific, whether US policy or so called benefactors who are paying Trump off. So far you've responded with nonsense, conspiracy filled ramblings, acting like you play the same game or are even on the same level President Trump is on. You are delusional and a joke, go back to playing Fortnite.

If you were someone worth debating, I would be happy to show you the policies of the US government sanctioning and banning individuals. And also the people who have backed Trump intellectually and politically. The proof is all in the policies he's managed to get through congress, the tax cuts that systematically benefit only his friends and people he has associated with. The man promises 'economic nationalism', but what has he done for the US worker that can be tied to policy? His followers think that they are going to get the benefits of his presidency, but honestly, they will be bitterly disappointed...however you are not worth debating, as you call people who oppose your opinions 'basement dwellers', to make yourself feel better at night.

I apologize for the name calling, I came at you unfairly.

But you still haven't named one policy passed by this administration that supports your claims. All you're doing is repeating the same nonsense propaganda Bernie Sanders spouts on a daily basis.

Shareblue is beneath this sub. C'mon, we wouldn't accept Breitbart, would we?

-10 points · 1 month ago(2 children)

No, it's not okay. We can't allow biased information affect how we feel. That is propaganda. If we accept willingly biased information then we are no better than the people that only read foxnews

6 points · 1 month ago

I agree with you 100 percent. Your just on a sub that regularly uses sources like share blue GQ magazine and anything else that fits the narrative. All news has its bias it's about sifting through the bias to give the truth.

-12 points · 1 month ago(3 children)

Breitbart went downhill fast when Andrew died. And let's not pretend the alt-right doesn't have its own billionaire benefactors. The Mercers are participants in today's political activities like Soros is.

-5 points · 1 month ago(0 children)

I don't define Alt-Right as far right. Far right, to me, would be someone like Mike Pence who's very much a conservative. I wouldn't describe Ted Cruz as far right, for example, because I make the distinction between traditional conservatism and libertarian conservatism, Cruz being the latter. Alt-right is neither traditional nor libertarian conservatism. It's a nationalist/populist conservatism more akin to reactionary -- it's a new alternative to the right wing, thus an alt-right. Any sane person is to the right of Bernie Sanders. I have nothing but contempt for him and his Utopian socialist bullshit.

With regards to Breitbart, I doubt even Andrew himself would read the dribble that comes out of that publication. Andrew was a brilliant critic of American liberalism and the MSM. The new Breitbart is more akin to InfoWars conspiracy theory bullshit.

Is breitbart banned?

If you had told my Grandfather that Germany would be the bastion of Democracy and that America would be sleepwalking into Fascism...

Germany isn't really the bastion of democracy people on Reddit seem to think it is. Germany for instance has for a long time been condemning sanctions on Russia because they want Russian oil.

Well it's doing a hell of a lot better than America right now.

How so?

Well the entire world doesn't hate Germany, for one.

Despite what some people think, the whole world doesn't actually hat the US either. That's beside the point though.

You have basically burned all of the goodwill that you had. Nobody will take a deal with the Americans seriously any more, because you could just elect another maniac and throw it out the window.

Source: Lives in the world.

That's just not how reality works. but again, you're refusing to actually answer the original question. Germany hasn't actually done anything to promote democracy across the world. Germany is first and foremost dedicated to German interests. That's why they willingly overlooked Russian atrocities and dissuaded the rest of the EU from trying to punish them. They also still require US military support in order to defend themselves. They are glad to receive the benefits of NATO membership, but they aren't willing to actually pay their fair share like France, the US, or the UK.

I'm really not trying to be harsh on Germany here, they are a valuable ally, but pretending that they have what it takes to be the leader of the free world, isn't accurate.

It absolutely is how reality works. For my entire life, the pattern has been that America elects a blithering idiot every 8 years, who makes a bunch of crazy promises and pisses off the rest of the world, and every other 8 years you have to rebuild goodwill from scratch.

The Republican party is like America's deadbeat dad who lets you eat ice cream for dinner and doesn't make you brush your teeth, so you resent your mother when she has to take you to the dentist.

The rest of us have to listen to smell your breath half the time, and listen to you complaining the other half.

EDIT: My point is, Germany say they're gonna do something, then they do it. Which is a damn sight more than we can say for America right now.

My point is, Germany say they're gonna do something, then they do it. Which is a damn sight more than we can say for America right now.

Again, except for actually meeting their NATO commitments.

What facets of policy from the Trump administration is shifting us in to fascism? What laws have been passed to support this claim?

Well just search #Wherearethechildren for a start. Or how fuck all has been done in Puerto Rico because the people there are brown. Or the president has an endorsement from the klan and neo nazis. Or the other million things. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

The president had rescue operations and staff in PR before the storm landed. After the storm he had a billion dollars worth of aid and a cargoship of supplies sent to the island. Youre simply unaware of the facts.

The president cant control who endorses him, but he has disavowed all hate groups on multiple occassions, feel free to search YouTube, its all on video.

Im not sure what that hashtag implies.

Despite these accusations, Im still waiting to hear what laws or policies are steering the US toward fascism.

0 points · 1 month ago

None of those have anything to do with Facism, FYI.

Dont mind that guy, just another brainwashed liberal that reeeeeeee's other news trump may support a states right marijuana bill.

I expect the Democrats would have done that too. It was already in the air long before Trump.

Don't sell your country out to it's enemies so you can smoke a fucking joint, idiot.

EDIT: Also, fuck off with your 26 day old troll account.

So when President Trump advocates for states rights to consume cannabis, its 'selling out to our enemies'. Whats the logic there?

No, it's all the other shit that he did that is selling out the country to it's enemies. Nice attempt at trolling, but I'm not gonna let you twist my words.

I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with an idiot. It's like playing chess with a pigeon, you don't know the rules of the game, but you will still just shit all over the board and strut around like you won anyway.

Its hard to twist someones words when the words are nonsensical. Youve made no legitimate arguments and have resorted to name calling and personal attacks, which show a lack of critical thinking and maturity. Go play some more Fortnite and leave the debates up to the informed adults.

Don't try to come over the professor with me. Any idiot can see that Trump is a Russian asset. Hope you enjoy the shithole ethnostate you are making for yourself.

Ethnostate? Holy shit you're really reaching. I just went to the gun range with my black and Mexican friends who also voted for trump

Well your friends are idiots then. Trump is clearly racist as fuck. Central Park 5, anybody?

0 points · 1 month ago

Any idiot can see that Trump is a Russian asset.

Yeah, all that Russian uranium he sold them and took donations to his sham charity that died after the election. Oh wait...

Dude, wake up. The Russia witchhunt is dead. It's over. You can disagree with Trump's policies, but claiming he's a Russian agent makes you look foolish.

Get to fuck. There have been several guilty pleas. Guys are in jail as we speak.

The reeeeeeeeeeeeeee's on /r/politics are 10x worse.

Haha I've subscribed and very quickly unsubscribed

The bastion of democracy... unless you elect someone with doubts about economic law, then you meet the power of a fully operational "independent" central bank.

Controlling the press is fine, though, don't worry about that small bit.

Third time is the charm?

Switch the word 'Trump' for 'Putin' and the article makes a lot more sense.

0 points · 1 month ago

LOL. Shareblue. Nothing intelligent should be expected.

-9 points · 1 month ago(8 children)

Be more constructive

-11 points · 1 month ago(0 children)

Not disagreeing. But just saying this is garbage doesn’t really help or start a conversation

-13 points · 1 month ago(0 children)

Ok. then have an actual conversation on that point rather than fling mud.

-1 points · 1 month ago

Shareblue is the Breitbart of the left.

-6 points · 1 month ago(0 children)
12 points · 1 month ago


Yikes , Sharia blue is being sourced ? Must be partisan trash

-12 points · 1 month ago(2 children)

I don’t think Trump and his white nationalist crazies will get that far... definitely scary to watch though.

6 points · 1 month ago

I didnt think they would even get this far- hell, i remember when dotard was just campaigning and thinking there was no way he would even get the GOP nomination let alone actually win. To say the immediate future of the United States scares me is an understatement.

-7 points · 1 month ago(0 children)
-18 points · 1 month ago(0 children)

Merkel --- "Send in the rapists!"

America --- "elect the rapist"

1 point · 1 month ago

America --- "elect the rapist"

We did in 1992 and 1996.


-50 points · 1 month ago(0 children)

How does Germany not pay their fair share?

It's not what he's talking about, but Germany is not following the stability pact, which makes even more of a mockery of saying the Euroland is an optimal currency zone.

-12 points · 1 month ago(0 children)
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why would you support a country that oppresses people all over the world?

The amount of prejudice and alliteration here is overwhelming. I think I got eye cancer just from reading this...

Reminds me of a certain german party from 80 years ago.

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