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Amazon Narrows List to 20 Locations for Second Headquarters (bloomberg.com)
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[–]Show-Me-Your-Moves 243 points244 points245 points 1 month ago (34 children)
Confident Philadelphia Officials Preemptively Raze Center City To Make Room For Amazon Headquarters
[–]Phillypede 63 points64 points65 points 1 month ago (4 children)
we also sacrificed Wentz for this
[–]regcrusher 28 points29 points30 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Trust the process
[–]EvilJerryJones 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I think it's gonna take a Foles too
[–]hopsandhorns 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
And a Blount
[–]Ace_of_Clubs 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago (21 children)
Does anyone know where they will actually build an HQ in Philly? 50,000 jobs is no small space.
[–]superbrowns 20 points21 points22 points 1 month ago (3 children)
The city’s been planning on building a campus of skyscrapers/ office buildings near 30th street station for a while so I imagine it would go there.
[–]pwny_ 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
You mean on top of the rails? That's the only undeveloped space over there.
[–]Hawkshadow31 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah, Google 30th street district plan. Or Schuylkill Yards
[–]jorge1209 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Center City, that's why they had to raze it. Do people not read the articles anymore? Seriously!!
[–]mikeofhyrule 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Navy Yard basically has it built already, I think I read they are ready to receive 35k employees tomorrow.
[–]regcrusher 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I've heard they submitted 30th St Station and the Navy Yard.
[–]geneparmesian247 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (9 children)
I live near Philly, friends work in the navy yard. The rumor is that the yard is the best place for it. They might even extend the subway to connect public transit. But who knows for sure
[–]A_Wild_Nudibranch 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (2 children)
The Navy Yard would be perfect- employ tons of people from both the city, Main Line, and Chester, which used to be a big manufacturing hub. The airport is steps away, and it's just far enough out of the main city that traffic isn't deadlocked (except for after a game) and easy access to both regional rail and the L.
You have access to talent from both Philly AND Wilmington, as well as being smack dab in between DC/NYC. The only issue I can think of is obviously the rising costs of housing and gentrification of the Chester/Darby area. I love my dirt cheap rent and my neighborhood, but I think a return of jobs combined with adequate training programs could really help this area.
My money's on Philly. Baltimore/MontCo has godawful public transit and 695/95/83/495 traffic is already bumper to bumper. Having it near the Navy Yard in Philly gives them just enough physical breathing room with good proximity to the city/burbs.
[–]Troooper0987 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Philly needs to expand and improve its public transit as it is. It's easier to keep and drive a car. And what's with still using tokens and not being able to buy them at every station? Maybe with decent public transit folks wouldn't complain about parking in south philly every time there's a proposal to build more housing
[–]Bburrito 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
They will still complain. I live in San Diego and we are putting in a new trolley which then requires expansion of population density around the transportation corridors. So lots of new apartment buildings and condo buildings being proposed.
And the residents just keep fighting. First it was old waste and water lines. So new lines with larger capacity were installed. Then it was parking and traffic. Duh, trolley. What do I need a car for if I can trolley to work and the grocery store is down stairs? Then it was crime. Crime is the lowest it has been in decades.
They will come up with anything. Its all bullshit.
[–]willashman 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
There is a huge project called Schuylkill Yards by 30th Street that Brandywine Realty Trust and Drexel University are planning on developing. They were both involved in the pitch to have Amazon possibly use that space, too.
[–]Breakfast_Sausage 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
There just topped off Comcast 2, no idea if that will have space available.
[–]worktrees 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Man, i would love for Amazon to be Phillys premier company instead of Comcast.
[–]buddaycousin 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Sam Hinkie dies for this.
[–]SirAwesomeBalls 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
man.. they are going to be sad when Dallas wins
[–]BluMonday 102 points103 points104 points 1 month ago (66 children)
The remaining 20 places are:
Montgomery County Md.,
New York City,
[–]zertech 42 points43 points44 points 1 month ago (14 children)
I have no idea where there would even be room for an Amazon headquarters in Boston. There are too many people there already.
[–]OriginalOutlaw 67 points68 points69 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I work in "the Boston office" for a global company, but we are actually in Wakefield, MA; 20 miles north of Boston.
Boston basically means anywhere in New England.
[–]SomeSortofDisaster 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Our "Boston office" is in Portsmouth, NH...
[–]smashinrocks 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Anywhere inside of 495
[–]Cordingly 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It took me longer than I care to admit to learn where the “New England Patriots” are.*
*they exist in a void.
[–]navymmw 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Suffolk Downs is a prime place for it, one of the locations being scouted.
[–]itssarahw 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
A condition from Amazon is close to an airport, right? Suffolk Downs would be perfect for that
[–]lewlkewl 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I doubt it'd be in the heart of boston. It would probably be somewhere closer to waltham or even natick ( in terms of distance, could also be north)
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[–]queen_ambrosia 76 points77 points78 points 1 month ago (10 children)
They should put it in Toronto, Canada just to fuck with us.
All these American cities thinking that they are gonna get this sweet juicy deal and BAM! Suckers.
[–]Rshackleford22 23 points24 points25 points 1 month ago (3 children)
pretty sure that might cause Trump to have a stroke.
[–]f_d 32 points33 points34 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Trump would be ecstatic. He already loves to bash Amazon and its owner's Washington Post. Now he would be able to work American jobs into it as well. He would never shut up about Amazon again.
[–]throwaway_ghast 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Either way, this is good for bitcoin.
[–]jag986 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Pls not Texas, then my parents will harp on me moving back and I have no plans to live there again if I can help it.
[–]throwaway_ghast 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Probably not going to be in LA considering California is already the HQ of the tech world. I'd bet my money on Dallas or maybe Philly.
[–]IWantACuteLamb 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (15 children)
Austin, what's so special about that place? Never really heard of it
[–]BluMonday 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago (8 children)
I've only been here a couple years, but I like it quite a bit. It's pretty well described as on oversized college town. It's also in a central location between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio which makes it a good spot for conventions and such.
[–]Open_Thinker 21 points22 points23 points 1 month ago (7 children)
Just to add to what you wrote, Austin is Texas' mini Silicon Valley/tech area. Dell is close by in Round Rock, and the university as you mentioned provides a ready pool of workers, plus a lot of CA ppl are moving there.
But I wonder if the commenter you responded to already knows, and was just joking or being sarcastic or w/e.
[–]loyal_achades 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Tech also loves Austin because of SXSW.
[–]TTUporter 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Tech does not like Austin. Wreck em.
[–]Open_Thinker 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Good point, can't believe I forgot SXSW.
[–]CrapThunder 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Dwight’s response to Pam and Jim moving to Austin (The Office finale):
“For what?” he sniffs. “The art? The music? The incredible nightlife? No, thank you.”
[–]EdwardStone 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Music industry, Television/Film industry, Tech, and every TX Governor has been keen to make Austin the central hub of everything business in TX.
[–]tidho 150 points151 points152 points 1 month ago (9 children)
they should have looked for a new corporate headquarters on Amazon. could have had delivery in two days.
[–]No___ImRight 66 points67 points68 points 1 month ago (8 children)
In other news, Amazon acquires Costo, Ikea, Zillow and Quicken Loans...offers 2-day closing on a new home with all new furnishings.
Welcome to Amazon, I love you.
[–]2pete 28 points29 points30 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Then they merge with Disney and rename to Buy 'n Large.
[–]alphac16 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Cupcake, in a cup
[–]tidho 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
give them time
[–]Kal-l 309 points310 points311 points 1 month ago (153 children)
This is BS they already know what city it is they just want to get more money by having these city try to outbid each other.
[–]QuestionTheNWO 218 points219 points220 points 1 month ago (64 children)
Look at the map. 3 cities in the dc metro area. They already picked DC and are just seeing who will pay them the most.
Btw delta announced a dc to Seattle direct flight last week, delta is the amazon corporate carrier.
[–]saihenjin 49 points50 points51 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Delta also announced an Indianapolis to Seattle direct flight this week...
[–]Prozaki 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Amazon has a massive distribution center in Indy already. Also a Fedex hub.
[–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 57 points58 points59 points 1 month ago (44 children)
They're probably not going to be IN D.C. because there's too much red tape doing anything there, what with Congress needing to approve anything. Who the ell knows what "Northern Virginia" means, and Montgomery County, MD is pretty big, too.
[–]ThatBankTeller 39 points40 points41 points 1 month ago (25 children)
VA resident working in Baltimore here. It’s all one giant suburb with metros running into the city. Northern Virginia is Loudoun county, Alexandria, and the surrounding metropolis. It definitely won’t be in the district, it’ll be in VA I suspect. We’re much more tax friendly than Maryland, at least for now.
[–]kotoku 23 points24 points25 points 1 month ago (16 children)
Definitely, I'm thinking Fairfax County is going to pull this one out, however. They were already primed for giant expansion when they were vying for the new CIA headquarters not long ago. They were the first US County to reach a median household income over 100,000, and are surrounded by transportation and high quality education.
It's important to note on some of these finalist cities that Amazon wants to be somewhere that they blend in with other companies and ideals, not stand out as an oddball. Virginia could use Amazon here.
[–]ihave_problems 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago (10 children)
Tysons is exploding. With the slew of new high-rise condos/apartments and the new Silver Line going through the heart of it, I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Amazon chose to place it.
[–]guy_incognito784 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Ahh it already takes about an hour to drive about a mile on route 7 during rush hour in Tysons and that has four lanes going in each direction.
An Amazon HQ in addition to the new Capital One HQ going up, that'd just be wonderful.
[–]loyal_achades 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I was chatting with some coworkers today, and we're wondering if they'd be willing to go all the way out to Reston. Land out there is a lot cheaper, and it's not that much further out on the Silver line.
[–]jimbofisher2010 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I think Tysons actually got eliminated prior to the initial bid, and the CIT campus out closer to Dulles was the winning candidate. Although I have heard that some areas of Crystal City were in consideration as well.
[–]ThatGuy798 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Fairfax seems like a solid middle ground. I'm looking to move to Lorton soon and it's close to DC, especially Reagan and Dulles, Connector seems alight, but my biggest concern is Metro since it sucks.
[–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (6 children)
I used to live in Loudoun County. I was just curious why they labeled it "NoVA" and not something more specific.
[–]guy_incognito784 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Given Amazon's criteria, in this instance NoVa would emcompass Loudoun, Fairfax, Arlington, and Alexandria.
[–]ClydeFrog1313 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I believe Loudon, Arlington, and Fairfax all put together a joint plan. I would imagine the HQ2 would encompass space from Crystal City all the way to the server farms in Ashburn.
[–]ihave_problems 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Don't forget Fairfax. It's already home to a ton of giants. Off the top of my head I can think of Mars and Capital One.
[–]raanne 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Eh - my companies DC office is in Maryland. Generally these are just in the metro area - not always within city limits.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Montgomery County, MD would actually be pretty good. Its has easy access to DC and VA. It already large amount of engineers (due to the aerospace industry) and highly educated, it is also close to Washington-Dulles. Plus Bezos just purchased a DC home, so that alone should be telling. Also the amount that Amazon has already been expanding around DC alone.
[–]kingp1ng 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
A counter argument I've heard is that Amazon might want to be near DC so they can have more lobbyists nearby.
[–]cranberrysaus 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Delta is trying to build up their pacific hub in Seattle. Not really surprising.
[–]pwny_ 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The real story here is that Delta didn't already have a Seattle - Dulles direct flight already lmao
[–]Aurailious 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Will that be out of DCA or Dulles? A Delta flight to Seattle out of DCA would almost be confirmation of it. I don't know if Congress needs to change the law on it, but I do know Alaska does direct from DCA to Seattle.
[–]WardenofArcherus 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
[–]crazykid01 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I think they are choosing DC/Maryland/NoVA area simply because that is where a massive amount of talent is naturally because of the governments and contractors.
I think due to traffic, they will choose NoVa, but about 1hr out of DC. Past the Manassas area.
That only puts them 30 minutes from Dulles Airport.
[–]regcrusher 38 points39 points40 points 1 month ago (4 children)
This feels like when you apply and interview for a job, only to find out they were always planning on hiring from within.
[–]disbound 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (3 children)
You should try interviewing for jobs when you have no intent on taking them.
[–]IDreamOfMe 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I did that once, where I had already accepted a job, but thought "whatever, I'll see whay they offer". Worst interview I have ever done and I still feel like I let myself down. Would never go into an interview without proper prep again, even if I don't intend to consider it.
[–]guy_incognito784 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Given the fact that Bezos lives in DC, you're probably right.
If I had to guess, they probably want DC proper, Virginia, and Maryland to compete to see who can give the better tax cuts since Northern VA and MoCo, MD are also on the list and are just part of the metro DC area anyway.
[–]ClydeFrog1313 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Just like the Skins are doing with the new stadium except all the fans want it in DC proper.
Side note, my coworker had to go look at this huge mansion a couple years ago that had been bought by some mystery buyer. Turned out to be Bezos' place, the place used to be a museum and is 27,000sf...
[–]LLJKCicero 25 points26 points27 points 1 month ago (44 children)
It's dumb, but you can hardly blame Amazon for that, can you?
[–]Kal-l 29 points30 points31 points 1 month ago (23 children)
I guess you would have to blame the city officials for participating in this. But amazon did not need to do a "Top 20" thing this is not a realty tvshow. Whats next " Top 5" and then "Top2".
[–]scotchirish 20 points21 points22 points 1 month ago (1 child)
"This is it. We started with 238 contestants, and slowly winnowed it down to these final two. It's been a long, emotional roller coaster. We've had some good times, and some bad. Some tears of joy and tears of sorrow. But this is it. America has voted, and the WINNER....will be announced at the next quarterly shareholders meeting."
[–]0_1_1_2_3_5_8_13 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
ESPN is going to have an hour segment called, "The Decision 2" where Bezos will talk for an hour then reveal where they're going, only to leave that location to go back to Seattle a few years later.
[–]LLJKCicero 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (14 children)
Honestly, that part makes sense to me. The first round probably got dozens, if not hundreds of responses. You need to narrow it down to the more serious, viable candidates before you can reasonably expect them to provide a more detailed plan.
[–]TDenverFan 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I think they got like 250 applications
[–]Ace_of_Clubs 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (12 children)
I mean it's free advertising for months with these cities fighting each other to get a top spot. I was a part of Houston's bid and we learned a LOT from the process about our own city, too bad we didn't make the cut.
[–]Little-Bears_11-2-16 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (1 child)
we learned a LOT from the process about our own city
we learned a LOT from the process about our own city
Just curious, what did you learn?
[–]pond_party 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Is such bidding by cities for company headquarters common? Would a city that doesn't offer tax breaks or similar financial incentives stand a chance?
[–]Ace_of_Clubs 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (4 children)
This certainly seems to be a new trend. I mean, the company doesn't lose anything making the bid open to public, they probably have a place in mind, but the competition generates new leads and tons of free media coverage.
There are some cities that offer a lot more than just financial incentives. I think amazon is looking into the future and want their new HQ to be in a city with top-noch tech and engineering schools. They also want a city with a high quality of life to attract talent, as well as good transportation infrastructure.
Our bid was certainly more than just a cheap place to do business.
[–]RIPGeorgeHarrison 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I know business is not a joke and I'm sure Bezos is taking this seriously, but I have to wonder if he is getting any personal satisfaction from making these cities fight before these jobs.
[–]HokieScott 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Honestly I think he's like "who will give me more tax breaks or other stuff" Honestly I would say Raleigh or DC Metro are really the only two I think are going to be it.
[–]Kittens4Brunch 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
They can have a favorite but still not make a final decision in case another city makes a ridiculous offer that's too good to pass on. They could also gauge interest and collect data for future expansion.
Plus, their top choice could back out, have a diaster strike, or have sudden political changes not to Bezo's liking.
[–]pond_party 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (17 children)
I'm glad in the EU companies can't pit cities against each other in order to get huge tax breaks and other financial incentives. Just last year Foxconn (the Apple supplier) got $3bn worth of tax subsidies for their new factory. If Foxconn only creates the minimum number jobs required (3000) each job is subsidies with $611,000 by the taxpayer.
Last week tonight also had a segment about state aid in the US.
[–]Kal-l 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The crazy part is the amazon deal will dwarf that Foxconn deal.
[–]CitationX_N7V11C 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Oh I'm sure they do. Like with Apple and Ireland. Major banks and London versus Berlin. Or all those chinese companies investing in Copenhagen. Business is business on other side of the pond.
[–]deadketchup 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nah bro every city Europe is socialist utopia and has never offered incentives to businesses. They wouldn't dare do such a thing
[–]PurpleTopp 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Isn't it on the cities to not fall victim to the bidding war? Can't blame amazon for trying to make a good business move
[–]silverandblack 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (3 children)
(Please not Denver, please not Denver, please not Denver)
[–]zacdenver 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I'm with you on this.
[–]TragicallyHopeful 60 points61 points62 points 1 month ago (22 children)
The D.C. Metro area has 3 of the top 20 (Montgomery County, Northern Virginia and Washington D.C.)
[–]SleepyEel 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago (20 children)
NoVA already has an Amazon presence anyways. Would make sense for them to expand on it
[–]Wish6 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Pretty sure it's their "legacy" data center, and first one they built. Not sure if they want to put more money into it.
[–]guy_incognito784 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Amazon Web Services has their east coast headquarters in Fairfax County.
[–]jimbofisher2010 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
[–]re_searching[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (1 child)
The majority of Amazon data centers are in Northern Virginia. There are at least 60 already, not counting the 20 or so planned over the next 2-3 years.
[–]TechniCruller 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nah. They’re working on several data centers in the Northern Virginia area as we speak. Northern Virginia has like 80% of the worlds data centers.
[–]Btdub76 81 points82 points83 points 1 month ago (85 children)
Sad day for Detroit... as they are no longer in the running. There would have been expanded mass transit if they came here, and even a ferry service between Amazon offices in Detroit and Windsor, Canada. Also, There would have been tax breaks and willing to let Amazon keep 100 percent of its workers' state taxes for 10 years, and 50 percent of those taxes for the following 10 years.
Having Amazon in Detroit would have been a HUGE game-changer, not only for a great comeback story after the city filed for bankruptcy, but for the true need of reviving the city's spirit and influence.
[–]LLJKCicero 91 points92 points93 points 1 month ago (16 children)
Detroit has a history of being horribly mismanaged. Presumably Amazon wants a city government that is at least semi-competent.
[–]CPAcs 38 points39 points40 points 1 month ago (8 children)
But Chicago is on that list tho...
[–]Tearakan 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It's getting better. Plus we were able to work with the corruption at least.
[–]Myusernamewascutshor 21 points22 points23 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Chicago also commands an economy and a shipping infrastructure that dwarfs the capacity of every other candidate. If IL were more Red in terms of business policy they'd be my number 1 prediction
[–]clem82 43 points44 points45 points 1 month ago (58 children)
Detroit bring amazon nothing in terms of talent attraction or competitive advantage. If you thought they were ever in the running you are crazy.
[–]FloopyMuscles 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago (21 children)
People would move to Detriot for Amazon. Also Detriot is slowly being gentrified and Dan Gilbert has invested a lot into cleaning up the city.
[–]tiamdi 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (25 children)
Detroit has tons of homes that can be bought for pennies on the dollar and renovated for a fraction of the cost anywhere else in the US. Amazon could literally buy blocks of homes and refurbish them to get talent to come there.
[–]Aurailious 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Does Detroit have the talent that Amazon is looking for?
[–]clem82 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (12 children)
Why would Amazon have to buy houses? Amazon will let those workers buy houses however they want to, they would probably go to an area like VA or Dallas because you don't have to renovate, and you have a lot of good senior talent already local. Plus millenials want to move there, Detroit is not attractive at all for anyone under 30
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[–]khamrabaevite 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago (11 children)
I could be wrong, but I thought the point was to get solicitations for a eastern HQ. Why is LA, CA one of their top 20?
[–]Conglossian 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago (6 children)
You are, anyone could bid. It's just believed they'll go east to balance out Seattle.
[–]clem82 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (5 children)
I believe they will go Midwest/south-mid
[–]ppvvgucnj 24 points25 points26 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nope, they just specified they wanted a second headquarters. I believe the only location requirement was being in North America.
[–]FireLioncow 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I dont think they ever made that a requirement, but it's probably an implicit one. LA is a solid contender for companies though because of perfect weather, huge population, and two world-class universities to hire from. However, the traffic is straight from hell.
[–]FatCatLikeReflexes 43 points44 points45 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Corporations are like NFL teams now - demanding cities buy them new stadiums to play in and give them a laundry list of exemptions from the laws everyone else has to follow.
[–]CitationX_N7V11C 21 points22 points23 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Now? That's a centuries old tactic. Hell I'm sure with some time I can find a medieval version of the same tactic.
[–]missed_a_T 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
At least a corporation (theoretically) makes a city money unlike a football stadium.
[–]Myusernamewascutshor 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
My money is on Columbus. They're small enough that Amazon can push them around if need be but large enough to keep it staffed, they have a steady stream of young grads with few opportunities, they're centrally located between numerous larger cities, the pay Amazon offers is high for the state, and the state legislature is Red enough to give them whatever they ask for.
[–]Bearlodge 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
You're almost entirely right, except that there are tons of job opportunities around here especially in the banking and insurance sector.
[–]miaminaples 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Bezos will plant it wherever he thinks its most politically advantageous for him to do so ahead of his presidential run in '20 or '24. My guess? Columbus, OH. Being a massive employer in a defining swing state is just too valuable, it places Amazon as a company with Midwestern roots. Cheap housing. Great intermodal infrastructure, which is essential for a company of that size and footprint.
Amazon has entered the regulatory capture phase in its development. The Washington Post, which Bezos acquired, was a check on anti-trust issues, but this would be their get out of jail card.
[–]QuestionTheNWO 24 points25 points26 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–]thecoldedge 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Indy also announced direct flights to Seattle.
[–]cometssaywhoosh 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (6 children)
What I think it'll end up being
4) DC Metro
[–]19Kilo 19 points20 points21 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Austin would be a nightmare. The old school NIMBY crowd fought as hard as they could against infrastructure upgrades to the city so it would keep it's "feel" and all the growth there has exacerbated the problem.
[–]hole_da_door 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (3 children)
The old school NIMBY crowd fought as hard as they could against infrastructure upgrades
The old school NIMBY crowd fought as hard as they could against infrastructure upgrades
Wait, what the fuck? I just moved here not too long ago, and that's why the infrastructure is such shit? God damn, talk about some shortsighted idiots
[–]19Kilo 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Yeah. Any time you see someone over 40 with a "Keep Austin Weird" anything on them or their possessions... Just punch them.
I lived in Austin for a bit in the late 90s/early 2000s and they were insufferable then too.
[–]bug_up 19 points20 points21 points 1 month ago (59 children)
Out of curiosity, which city do you think will win the bid?
[–]2pete 29 points30 points31 points 1 month ago (24 children)
Washington D.C. is dead last in this list. Real estate is very expensive in the city itself, and building height limits mean they would need a lot more land. They would be insane to pick DC over NoVA or Maryland.
They probably want an area with established tech companies and good universities to poach/recruit from, as well as an area wealthy enough to make a strong tax/land bid already. Maryland is a strong contender, with University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins nearby. Austin is strong here as well, as is Denver.
[–]opiusmaximus2 21 points22 points23 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Bezos is building/has completed the biggest house for himself in DC and purchased the Washington Post a few years back. It's definitely going to be nova or moco, md. The other cities should just tell amazon to cut the bullshit and eliminate them from contention.
[–]kbehr92 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I'm going big money on it being in Chicago. I honestly do not think it's going to be in the DC area. If it is, you can come back to this post and make fun of me
[–]Amaass2 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I like you
[–]progmetalfan 20 points21 points22 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Raleigh, NC too, the research triangle area has UNC, Duke and NC State along with land and a major highway. If I’m not wrong NC State and Duke have great computer science/engineering programs too.
[–]Dramatic_headline 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Raleigh is expanding like crazy. They cant build homes fast enough there
[–]progmetalfan 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Yup! There’s construction happening everywhere and the traffic is terrible along with mass transit, but there’s plans to connect Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill by light rail and more buses in the near future which should make public transportation much more bearable.
[–]SuicideNote 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Commuter Heavy Rail from Garner-> Downtown Raleigh -> NCSU -> Cary -> Morrisville/Research Triangle Park -> Bus Center/Airport -> Downtown Durham -> Duke/Light Rail.
The Light Rail will go between Duke and UNC
Plus BRT system for Raleigh.
[–]progmetalfan 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That’s pretty extensive.. not really sure about the impact the HQ might have but this we definitely need!
[–]NCbeans 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
NC State and Duke do have great engineering and CS programs. And as much as I hate to say as a State grad, UNC has a very good CS program as well.
[–]crusader86 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I’m pegging NoVa getting it based on what I assume is a higher tax burden for Amazon in MD. Heck maybe that plot of land that was in competition for the FBI Headquarters could be used.
[–]crazykid01 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Maryland is a strong contender, with University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins nearby.
Maryland is a strong contender, with University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins nearby.
Yes Maryland is strong, but the land cost would be twice as much as somewhere down 66 in the NoVA area.
NoVA includes areas all the way to Haymarket and a little further. They would then have many people flock to them simply because they would be going the opposite direction from DC traffic.
[–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Not to mention Congress constantly meddling in DC issues.
[–]Not_My_Real_Acct_ 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Amazon published a doc outlining what their criteria was. A good airport and an educated workforce was high on their list.
Bezos blows a billion a year on Blue Origin, he's not going to lose any sleep over high real estate prices. He's not playing this game to be Wal Mart, he's doing to this to be the most powerful company the world has ever seen. He's already the wealthiest.
[–]Puppers8 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (24 children)
Dallas / Fort Worth.
Major international Airport, large swaths of land, many other large companies have their HQs in DFW, several tech focused colleges, etc.
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[–]hgilbert2020 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (13 children)
This, land is really cheap. Lots of tech base universities. Granted, this would make traffic awful, and it is already rough.
[–]ThePocketYeti 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (7 children)
*was really cheap in DFW
[–]yeahright17 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (4 children)
It's super cheap compared to pretty much every other major city not named Houston or Atlanta.
[–]Awade32 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Still really cheap compared to a lot of this list. Just not as cheap as it had been.
[–]yeahright17 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Traffic in Dallas is not that bad compared to a lot of other major cities. Furthermore, I seriously doubt they'd put their campus downtown/uptown. I'd guess they put it toward Irving or up in Plano.
Oh lord no. The North/South traffic is probably the worst in the Dallas area. East/West is bearable, but getting worse.
There's been a big push to rehab south Dallas and land is cheap, but I imagine that's going to light up the anti-gentrification factions.
[–]ellaelei 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
As someone who is from Plano, I also pray to god it's not Plano. I want to have the chance to live in my hometown and buy a house if I go back after college.
[–]baronvoncommentz 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I love Amazon Prime, and shop there first. Great customer service. But stay out of my city please. They aren't known for the best work environment or healthiest corporate culture. It's been a mixed thing for Seattle.
Plus their lack of transparency... I wouldn't want them in my back yard.
[–]brennanx1 40 points41 points42 points 1 month ago (21 children)
Atlanta is the best location for them
[–]kbehr92 30 points31 points32 points 1 month ago (13 children)
Outside of pretty trash public transportation, I think they lead in most other categories. Wouldn't be surprised if Bezos also sees this as a political opportunity to swing a state towards blue
Really wouldn't be surprised with Nashville, Chicago, or Austin either. Nashville and Austin for the same reasons as ATL. Chicago due to it's location and logistics industry. Also it has the coolest proposals imo
[–]LetsGoHawks 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Chicago metro area also has a massive number of potential workers. Probably more than anybody but NYC or LA.
[–]TheNewBrian8916 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That would make sense seeing as it is the third largest city in the US. I think it's one of the most educated too.
[–]colton_97 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (6 children)
As a Nashvillian, I think we're outsiders. Our road system can't even handle our current growth. City is working on $5.2 B transit plan. If that is passed, it has a chance, but the plan would still take years to finish. Don't see why Amazon would wait that out when there are other duties that can handle the growth now. Still holding out hope though lol
[–]kbehr92 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah you might be a couple years away, but depending on Amazon's plan, they may see you as the place they want to be 10-20 years from now
[–]Quilt82 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago* (9 children)
As a Canadian I'm hoping Toronto gets it, but I imagine the headache of constantly dealing with work visas is a big black mark.
Edit: A lot of people are saying Canada's visa process might not be the black mark I thought it might be, so that's good.
[–]ssnistfajen 24 points25 points26 points 1 month ago (2 children)
City of Toronto is offering very little tax incentives compared to the rest of them. Chances aren't that high. Plus there is already a lack of office space in downtown TO not to mention public transportation is an absolute shitshow.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
One of the other things to take into account is the US corporate tax rate just got dropped to 21%. One of the claims that Toronto was trying to make from the very start was that Canada is more tax friendly.
ehhhh, not so much anymore when you look at the max US corporate tax rate now compared to 1 year ago. + some of the cities in the states are offering to wave any local taxes for years, and several of the states in the running have either no corporate tax at all or very low.
Combine that with the cost of living in Toronto and the housing prices shooting skywards in recent years. One of the main arguments for a Canada location is immigration (especially with the issues of the H1-B here flooding American tech workers out of the market), but that alone is only 1 factor.
Im starting to think Atlanta too, because of the size of their airport for international-domestic and cargo flights.
[–]swamprose 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Actually, I think it is the other way around. The current US H1-B visa restrictions and difficulties for foreign born workers is causing huge problems for the tech industry.
[–]jce_superbeast 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
Actually I was really supprised at how easy work Visas are for US resident to Canada work. I had a 6 month visa in about a week, which was retroactive if I asked for it to be, (basically, just start working and mail the form when you get around to it please) and a single form to extend another 6 months. I also could have applied for a 3 year visa for a couple extra forms. Far easier than any other country for a US resident. (Ireland was supprisingly annoying for a two week consulting gig, and Dubai required the freaking legal team)
[–]versusChou 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Didn't really shave off anything surprising here. I can't see LA or Miami getting it either.
My money's on Atlanta, Austin, Boston, or Dallas with a chance for Pittsburgh and Nashville.
[–]walker3342 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Nashville checking in. Though they have a 10 billion dollar plan in the works, I think our complete absence of mass transit is unfavorable for us. As well as a mediocre airport.
[–]Uilamin 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That is probably why Toronto is on the list. They can now have leverage over a few US cities for enacting pro-Amazon ideology policies (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/08/07/the-politics-of-jeff-bezos/?utm_term=.45c3e4999a73 - Bezos is primarily active with the Democrats).
[–]bigdishing 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
MIA is the dark horse here. Two major airports, gateway to (capital of) Latin America. No weather issues (global warming aside). No state income tax. Educated workforce. Cortaditos.
[–]FRBls 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
No weather issues? You're aware of these things called hurricanes, right?
[–]Skiingfun 24 points25 points26 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Come to Toronto Canada. We just raised taxes, our electricity rates are the highest in North America, our city is already a gridlock, we have bureaucracy like you've never seen and our province is barely functioning. We'd love you up here. Oh yah and you'd have to do things in two official languages.
[–]snrub73 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Just because they are saying Toronto on the list, doesn't mean it has to be literally in Toronto. They can bypass some of the issues by putting the headquarters just outside the city, in Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughn, etc. Employees would avoid much of the traffic and the site would still be right by Pearson Airport. Assured Logistics, already handles Amazon's GTA distribution from Mississauga near 401 & Mavis Rd.
[–]uwila 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Oh look! A whole list of the next places that you won't be able to afford to live!
[–]SirAwesomeBalls 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (12 children)
More than likely going to be Dallas.
Cheap land, Fiber backbone runs though the city, no state income tax , lots of skilled talent as Dallas is already a tech center; seams like an obvious choice.
[–]sgSaysR 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Columbus makes the most sense.
[–]YamatoSoup 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Nothing surprising here.
[–]Ace_of_Clubs 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (3 children)
What I find surprising are the cities not on the list. Houston particularly.
[–]awolbull 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
You mean the city that just shut down for days/weeks because of a massive hurricane?
[–]Ace_of_Clubs 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That certainly didn't help our bid, we are well aware of that.
[–]corruptbytes 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Miami is definitely surprising
[–]remote_production 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I hope they deliver the winner a nice letter in a 50”x50”x50” box stuffed with bubble packs
[–]LoveandBonor 23 points24 points25 points 1 month ago (60 children)
The cities that make the most sense to me are Indianapolis and Columbus. Each has access to interstate highways and international airports. Plus, it's probably cheaper to build in the Midwest than in other areas.
[–]kormer 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Not just cheaper to build, but I'd happily take half the salary to live in the midwest vs the DC metro area.
[–]compbioguy 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (7 children)
I think amazon is looking for a cheaper place to do business. If that’s true it could very well be Indianapolis. I believe Indy has slight advantage over Columbus because of existing infrastructure to host big short term events
[–]sgSaysR 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Honestly Columbus has more than enough "event" infrastructure. Plus Columbus providing a never ending wealth of fresh college students.
[–]cecilmonkey 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I would say the most important thing is talent pool. Infrastructure projects are much cheaper and quicker to build compare to the quality of workers in an area. Finding quality people in Tech is an existential challenge.
[–]rbevans 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Living in Charlotte and although this would've been great for us I can't imagine adding 50K + families to the current busting infrastructure.
[–]CarolinaPunk 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Raleigh is the better NC choice than Charlotte because of RTP.
[–]jeremygl09 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
[–]Cataphract1014 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Ah yes, the well know cities of Montgomery County, Maryland and Northern Virginia, Virginia.
Please don't come to Maryland, DC, or NOVA. We don't need worse traffic.
[–]guy_incognito784 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I think it'd be cool, the area needs more tech companies vs. the bland government contracting firms and snooty law firms.
[–]crazykid01 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (6 children)
if they are in NOVA, traffic will be flowing the opposite direction, not making it worse, but actually better.
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