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[–]jessicamshannon 160 points161 points  (13 children)

Crazy to think he was on the case looking for Snelling's murder, i.e. himself. Son of a bitch must have thought he was invincible. On a side not, is anyone else petrified he's going to kill himself in his cell before we get all relevant information about him?

[–]FullMoonScout 77 points78 points  (8 children)

He’s on suicide watch, so yes everyone else is just as concerned

[–]EnIdiot 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I think he is too much of a narcissist to kill himself. His yelling at kids and cussing in public means he just doesn’t give a damn about what people think of him.

[–]jessicamshannon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I certainly hope you're right. Then again, I would have said the same thing about Israel Keyes and look what happened to him. Man, Israel Keyes suicide was so devastating because he sounds like just about the most careful, well prepared serial killer. Claimed to have killed people in like 30 states or something, and based on his M.O. I tend to believe it. But I really think that you make a good point about him not caring what people think of him.

[–]DownWthisSortOfThing 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah but he might kill himself because he's a narcissist or spite his victims and their families. Pull an Iago at the end of Othello and refuse to explain himself.

Demand me nothing. What you know, you know. From this time forth I never will speak word.

[–]EnIdiot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I can see that. Killing himself would be the ultimate act of controlling things.

[–]sc42 74 points75 points  (2 children)

DeAngelo has not confessed to any crimes as the Golden State Killer, nor has he confessed to being the Visalia Ransacker

Interesting. This contradicts other sources that say he’s talking and has admitted to being EAR as well as VR. I wonder which one is correct?

[–]RiceCaspar 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I wonder if it means he hasn't made a written confession? Like maybe before a lawyer he said some things and then now knows not to say more or sign anything. I hope if this is the case there is video or audio proof of him confessing.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (1 child)

From the article (re: Snelling case):

‘Ward, the only Exeter K-9 handling officer, was called in to search for the shooter, along with Visalia PD and other local agencies.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if after killing the guy, he’d changed his clothes and came in to join the search,” Ward said in hindsight.’

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I recall others on this sub and elsewhere wondering whether JJD ever investigated his own crimes. My guess has been that since he never attacked within his own jurisdiction as EAR, that any of his involvement with those cases as a cop would be mostly periphery, in assistance to other PDs. As these pieces fall into place, the picture I’m guessing we’ll see is that of JJD staying just involved enough that he has info on LE’s strategy and contemporary working knowledge, so as to keep a step ahead.

[–]cave_dwelling 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This could explain why a witness saw EAR exiting a crime scene house wearing no pants if EAR changed into uniform to avoid detection.

But it’s a stretch if he didn’t commit the crimes in his jurisdiction.

[–]vanillagurilla[🍰] 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Anyone else find it weird Exeter says they don’t have records to verify his employment? I mean I’d assume they keep payroll records at least.

[–]charlescatsworth 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I’m not sure if it varies by state, but where I live, HR is only required to hold employee records for 7 years after the termination date.

[–]Haveacookiehoney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It varies by state and document type. For instance, banking records, accounts payable records and employment records my have different retention lengths.

[–]Tongue37 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Fascinating

Super smart and serious..

Black sheep of the family

Great guy to be around

[–]Shellybean42 9 points10 points  (4 children)

It totally weirds me out how "normal" these types of guys seem to everyone. I expect a literal demon when I read about all of the stuff he's done, but he just looks like any ol' guy. Makes me wonder if I know anyone who is actually a serial killer.

[–]NoOneSeemsToMind 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I mean. There are also plenty of accounts about how the guy was an OCD type weirdo with excessive anger problems.

[–]Shellybean42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point.

[–]foodbucketfanpage 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My mom worked with Randy Kraft while he was murdering people. She said everyone in the office agreed that he was very weird.

So some of them are definitely not normal to the rest of the world.

[–]madworld2713 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To me that makes it wayyyy scarier. He's in all other ways a normal guy, you wouldn't bat an eye at him if you saw him on the street. But he's this secret monster and is able to present himself as a normal person.

[–]MotherofLuke 17 points18 points  (3 children)

He's booked for the Maggiores!

[–]manualsquid 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wait what? Are you saying that they are charging him with murdering the maggiores? Do you have a source?

[–]foofafa 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Ward described DeAngelo as super smart and serious.

“Joe was kind of the black sheep of the family, standoffish, and he didn’t like to joke around,” he said.

Does "black sheep of the family" mean he's not in contact with them? What does this say about possible connections in LA/OC?

Ward added that he thought DeAngelo had a master’s degree and wondered what he was doing working for a small town agency.

That's Ward's speculation, but I didn't see any other reports of JJD having a master's degree.

“He was a nice enough guy and friendly [with the other officers]. He was good at his job,” Ward said.

DeAngelo lived in Visalia, Ward said.

Ward thought he was married at the time, but didn’t know about any children. According to ABC Nightly News, DeAngelo does have adult children.

“There was no indication, whatsoever, that he was mentally disturbed,” Ward said.

“I’m just devastated,” he continued. “I can’t believe I worked alongside a guy who would do something like that . . .He had been in my house around, my wife and my daughter.”

[–]binkysurprise 45 points46 points  (1 child)

i don't think he meant he was literally the black sheep of the family, i read it as Ward saying that DeAngelo was viewed as a little bit of an oddball in the police force

[–]foofafa 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh I see, so the black sheep of the police force "family", not his biological family.

[–]leapwurp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I read this and recall how many people I worked with for a couple years and how little I remember about them - this was especially true pre social media. I think Ward is sincere but something like the masters degree could have been a lie by Deangelo told or miss remembering. Good link though thanks for sharing.

[–]LeYanYan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think most people got this wrong. The master degree thing is a metaphor to say that Ward thought DeAngelo was smart, and he didn't understand why was he working here when he could do much comfortable job. Now, we know why.

[–]shirtarguy 6 points7 points  (7 children)

After reading this, I believe they caught him by looking inward at LE agencies and looking for someone that had moved from the east area to so cal and worked there way to JJD. After surveillance they got his DNA sample from his garbage, tested, compared, planned the arrest.

[–]countofmoldycrisco 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They got his DNA from following him around. Apparently they got his DNA in a Hobby Lobby. Sounds implausible but that's what I heard.

[–]landmanpgh 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Nope. In several interviews, the police have explained that they did this entirely through DNA. As in, they had the DNA of the EAR/ONS and they utilized a new technology (probably familial DNA) to come up with a pool of suspects. From there, they narrowed it down to DeAngelo. They probably did that based on age, for the most part. Once they had it narrowed down, they put surveillance on him and obtained two separate discarded samples. We don't know how they did that or what these samples were, but it sounds like trash of some sort. The first sample they collected was a hit, but not entirely conclusive. They got the second sample, which was a match. That's when they got the warrants and staked out his place to make the arrest go how they wanted it to.

[–]PulVCoom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The criminology podcast released today confirmed that this was familial DNA that they had (didn’t state where from) that lead them to him. I’ve seen some people suggest that this could have been his daughter’s DNA that was held on file from her drugs arrest in 2005 but that’s just speculation.

[–]lengualarga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They got the DNA from a genealogy website from a family member.

[–]BigTexanKP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree—I’d bet money it was through familial DNA.

[–]lengualarga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To clarify my previous comment, they got a partial match from one of his family members on one of those sites.

[–]lengualarga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SacBee is reporting they got a partial DNA match from one of the DNA websites.

[–]DJSpazzydad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s hope he doesn’t have a Bakelite tooth containing cyanide like certain members of the Third Reich.