Here's the kicker:
"Records show more than 1,300 Trump condos were purchased through shell companies, which allow buyers to shield their finances and identities, and without a mortgage, which protects buyers from lender inquiries."
It's the money laundering y'all. He's been doing it for Russian oligarchs for decades.
You're right. And they'd have continued to get away with it if it wasn't for that meddling Mango Mussolini. Typically the people involved in such schemes have a baseline of intellect that prevents them from saying stupid stuff or, you know, running for the one office where every bad thing you ever did is bound to come up. The only thing truly unique is that those issues didn't derail his election. Usually running alone wouldn't be enough to get people on your ass so long as you are a non threat. He actually got elected despite all we already knew and was too stupid to shut the fuck up despite now clearly having the most bought out squad of minions one could hope for. He has put himself in a position where such an allegation is now a FUCKTON deadlier than it would have been had that magical "presidential" transformation happened, and the allegation itself is only being hurled because he is so fucking retarded that he called a country he laundered money through a shithole.
His comments about draining the swamp are ridiculous in retrsopect. He could have continued to soak in his own nastiness, but he voluntarily pull the plug on the swamp he himself is part of, and now his naked ass is hanging out for the world to see as the waters around him fall.
We have an expert on federal financial investigations here!
P1: "Here is something that has all the hallmarks of a crime, and is committed by someone that is known for being consistently less than legitimate with their financial dealings."
P2: "If a crime had been committed, then they would be in jail. We know this because all crime has a 100% prosecution success rate, which only goes up for people who are wealthier."
P1: "Some crimes are committed, but are unable to be prosecuted due to systemic structures of power, wealth and influence."
P2: "Have you tried the buttery emails?"
You dont have to be an expert to read the news:
Mueller adds money laundering prosecutor to team
Selling a property to a Russian oligarch for 60 million more than it was worth?
20 percent of trump condo sales have hallmarks of laundering
Corroborated by Bannon
It goes on and on
It goes on and on and on and on.
What evidence can you present that supports your notion that he would have already been prosecuted by the Feds?
It's amazing how quickly the Trumpists vanish after replies like this.
stop crying, you can unsubscribe you know
You know it makes you look bad when you stop responding in the face of facts?
The only statements I've made have to do with this sub only tolerating agreeable theories and conjecture. Haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.
But don't you see? There was no civilized discourse. If you offered facts and a logical argument maybe we wouldn't have an echo chamber. Making a claim then refusing to respond saying "lalala echo chamber" doesn't prove you right.
Personally, I dislike Trump but also dislike democratic establishment. Mueller is a republican
And how long was Nixon president after investigations began? And there were tapes in that instance
Hm, how strange in that the Orange Shitgibbon you're defended ALWAYS attributed his claims about, say, Obama's birth to "sources say".
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In what way?
It's not an echo chamber, you're just wrong. Why do you think his "red line " was past finances? Why do you think Mueller has the NY AG involved?
The laundering is obvious, what needs to be established is if the presidency is compromised as a result and to what extent
So Mueller added a money laundering prosecutor to his team in September because...he makes great coffee?
I'm struggling to follow the logic that this person would be added to the team to NOT investigate laundering, given that is what he does.
I think you overestimate how much rich people get in trouble. Especially someone in the public eye like Donny T
The indictments don’t. Why would the “feds” inherently have information about Russian money in Haiti?
It's fascinating when right wingers acknowledge the efficacy of our federal government.
Drain the swamp! Deep state! The Feds are inept!
The Feds couldn’t possibly be so inept! There’s nothing there! Political witch hunt! But her emails!
SS;DD with these people...
Like Manafort? I suppose you continentally didn't read his criminal indictment?
Let's extradite Trump to Haiti for trial. Heh heh.
Oh how the turn tables
What kind of shithole country launders money for mass-murdering dictators?
Not country, what kind of shithole New York real estate Mogul laundered the money for him through Manhattan properties?
That’s particularly true in the US, where surveys by the National Association of Realtors show that 21% of homebuyers were LLCs in 2016, up from 5% in 2007. For sales over $3 million, LLCs bought 42% of the homes in 2016, the Realtors found. The association doesn’t know how many of those purchases were cash.
Gascoigne calls the United States “the easiest place to set up an anonymous company to potentially launder your money.”
Maybe among the future Trump Laws that codify all those norms that previous presidents had never considered violating, there should also be some anti-laundering reform.
Also laws codifying the conduct of Senate majority leaders, and Supreme Court Justices. In particular Clarence Thomas, whose corruption is blatant, and Neil Gorsuch who may prove on investigation not to be an insane ideologue, but a paid plant.
Neil Gorsuch who may prove on investigation not to be an insane ideologue, but a paid plant.
Trump always finds the best swamp people.
Man. I don't know why, but this is what's really making it hit home that America might be irrevocably fucked. So many secret billionaires playing games with the most important of institutions for pointless financial gains.
the financial gains aren't pointless.
Most of these people have so much money they couldn't spend it in 20 lifetimes, but how else are they gonna keep score and prove they're better than their other billionaire peers?
By scalping poor people and comparing who got the most black scalps.
cmon now, we're not quite at the dystopian sci fi novel stage yet. a lot of collapse has to happen first.
the dystopian sci-fi novel stage is here, it just isn't very evenly distributed
Edit: people like Trump accuse the Clinton foundation of being corrupt like the false claim they failed to deliver aid to Haiti, when they(Trump) themselves are party to corrupt practices like laundering the very aid money stolen the by corrupt dictators responsible.
Rephrased for clarity.
Yeah didn't catch the sarcasm. Poes law and all that now a days.
That is so cool! how'd you do that?
There's a sticky on how to do it :)
I'm confused, his comment is entirely blank
Are you looking at the desktop site?
I'm on mobile
That's your reason.
On desktop it looks like a monopoly card called the "Hillary Card."
The text on it says, "Deflect bad news away from Trimp. Switch to Hillary. Use Hillary Card when you lack any actual argument."
it's a picture of a monopoly card except it says stuff about trump supporters using hillary as an excuse for everything intead of actually talking about what they think trump does well.
Don't feel bad. Just an example of how jaded everyone has become. Getting hard to distinguish sarcasm from zealotry these days. I got you an upvote!
Hundreds of millions of dollars raised for a hospital that was never built, lead lawyer in the investigation found dead before getting to testify.
Crazy how people shoot themselves twice in the back of the head sometimes.
Without a gun!
lead lawyer in the investigation found dead before getting to testify.
link to the story pls
Love it. Call them a shithole and face retaliation.
I'd hope it's common criminal courtesy to not publicly speak ill of your clients' countries. Seems quid pro quo, that you call me and my peoples homeland a shithole yet earn off those folks is scummy.
I also want to point out that [IMO] Trump has no clue of the level of people he's gotten involved with. I doubt he could acquire qualified hitters himself, even the CIA might rebuff his requests after all the bullshit. I mean from top KGB agent to African villager; all could kick his ass in the real world.
Ive read of people who have bought condos there that Trump Tower is quite the cheap shithole.
It is as if the entire shithole wasn’t built to actually be lived in, but for laundering foreign money.
“That’s just smart business”
And lost it all!
Whoa whoa whoa nelly! let's remember this isn't a big deal, I mean, it wasn't HILLARY CLINTON who did this so it can't be bad.
Through shithole Trump tower*
baby doc probably laundered money through every channel he could, just like the Russian kleptocrats-i-mean-oligarchs and African warlords. I was more than mildly surprised that some enterprising republican primary opponent did not hoist him on a mafia-money petard in spring 2016.
Because the whole Republican party is in on it.
Why was there a never Trump movement?
A desperate attempt by the few remaining (relatively) honest and/or smart Republicans to keep the worst of the worst away. Not necessarily out of decency, although there might be some honestly offended by his <pick a disgusting trait>; but because they could foresee that this is what would happen.
Why do you think they chose Trump
I think you are thinking a bit small, but I do not disagree.
A few questions
They accounted for 21% of the 6,400 Trump condos sold in the US. Those figures include condos that Trump developed as well as condos that others developed in his name under licensing deals that pay Trump a fee or a percentage of sales.
Couldn't this be just a show of how Russia or perhaps other shady figures have their fingers in everything, without directly targeting trump? His company might just gave an international reputation for being able to be abused for thus sort of thing and he's a complacent idiot taking his cut.
Also the article mentions that the companies being based in Delaware is potentially suspicious for 'transparency'. IANAL, but Delaware is extremely popular to almost any company because of low corporate tax and business laws that are extremely efficient and beneficial to the companies or something like that. It is really unfair to me to not mention that for context -
More than half of U.S. publicly-traded companies and fully 64 percent of the Fortune 500 were among that number, according to the state’s Division of Corporations. In 2012, more than 90 percent of IPOs were from Delaware legal entities, including Facebook and Yelp. That same year, the tiny 1209 North Orange Street in Wilmington was the legal home to 285,000 businesses.
I think they article is still valid, I just wish it wouldn't misrepresent things like this, or at least give full context.
Playing stupid is his defence strategy. So yes of course it’s possible, just not plausible.
I get that, but in the interest of actually getting him held accountable I wish the presented arguments for evidence were more convincing. As a layman, I feel like much of this can be explained away- at least to other laymen. Particularly those with a bias. I might be completely wrong about the reality of what this evidence means, but to me the parts I was pointing out just aren't particularly convincing. Fingers crossed there is more to it than what I can currently wrap my head around.
Whether or not a random stranger on the internet can convince you is irrelevant. The question is whether or not Mueller can convince a grand jury. With the evidence that he has and we do not.
True, and I get that. I'm not saying this because I think of myself as an important person to convince. I'm saying more in the vein of public opinion and continues support for the investigation. Public pressure could in theory convince 'real' (moderate? I dont know the rules anymore) republican reps to not cave and spew neocon rhetoric on trumps behalf to ensure their seats. It could keep general media from being so partisan that every story is a 'breaking news' on the investigation that isn't actually news and just takes air time and discussion time away from other issues.
I personally think the parts I pointed out before don't necessarily lend credibility to the article that could help generate that support or sway the opinions of moderates, who I believe are the real people we need to be catering this news too. Not the 'lock him up' crowd who have read the same information from 6 different sources.
Yep the Delaware thing is a non starter. Everybody locates their companies in Delaware.
The shady shits do their dirty work through in Grand Cayman or Panama.
Pretty sure they need to investigate Trump tower separately, it's a big money laundering scheme that's in that building. If it's ever found connected to the Russian investigation then it's gonna turn into something big. But for now that beast (while it needs to be taken down) should be left up to another FBI team. Let Mueller investigate Trump and his family.
When running for president, be sure not to have laundered multiple countries money. It may be a bit of a roadblock in the future.
There is a delusion of immunity created by privilege at work here.
Yet another foreign tyrant whose money Trump wanted to get his grubby mitts on. Don't forget: Trump also tried shacking up with Muammar Qaddafi before the Libyan Revolution.
It's instructive that as with people, Trump attacks countries he has fucked up, or helped fuck up as the case may be.
Please be sarcasm
Oh god look at their post history it most definitely isn’t and they have some disturbing posts.
So we should ignore possible crimes by hillary but investigate crimes by trump simply because only one is the president?
Absolving trump of wrongdoing because of what hillary may have done is whataboutism, but pointing out the hypocrisy of investigating/outrage of one but not the other isn’t.
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.
You can’t be serious. In one week trump will be in office for a year, will that be long enough that you knuckleheads stop bringing her up?
The DOJ is about to reopen the investigation into her emails. As long as she's their viable scapegoat they'll never let her go.
I really don't think they are.
Hopefully they don't, it makes no sense to. It's like their trying to normalize their crimes so when they're actually convicted of it people wont even care.
Focusing on the powers that be, is not ignoring anything. Last time I checked Clinton wasn’t the president.
We only talk about people who are still relevant
Same corrupt dictator pocketed the 'missing money' from the donation and claimed Haiti 'never received' it.
And low information voter.
You know, Nixon never lost his dignity to the point where he started whining about Hubert Humphrey or George McGovern and making shit up about them. Oh, fuck - did I really just say I miss Nixon?
Yeah I generally ignore blatently fake bullshit accusations like that. Law enforcement would have been all the fuck over that. IF IT WERE TRUE...
seriously... still with killarybama???
So were all gonna ignore the clinton foundations involvment in haiti now?
Yes because Trump is the president and what he did/does is newsworthy, Plus, I heard a rumor that HRC lost the election, if so, that would mean she's not really that important anymore.
Translation: So were all gonna ignore the blatant deflection now?
That's lovely dear.
What shade of brown are your eyes today hon?
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