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Reddit adds 3D printed gun files to the list of banned transactions

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level 1
132 points · 3 days ago

Not against the TOS to give it away freely though: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12pqdabbPqAuMPlBnEZJGpeFEKiT0Vo6R

level 2
36 points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

HEY EVERYONE! THIS GUY IS HANDING OUT FREE GUNS!

level 3
2 points · 2 days ago

If you 3D print that content, it will earn you an express trip to the hospital should you try to put live ammo in it.

level 2
Original Poster30 points · 3 days ago

The link specifically mentions gifts.

level 3
66 points · 3 days ago

Posting a comment on a message board is not a gift. (Though I understand your point)

level 4
Original Poster38 points · 3 days ago

I agree with you 100%. It will be interesting how they interpret what is a "gift"

level 5
47 points · 3 days ago

Man, we're really working on some new crazy ass ideas ideas about whats a gift vs whats a thought/idea, intellectual property, speech, ect...

shit has gotten crazy.

level 6

Thank you for your lovely gift comment, sir.

level 6

Taxation is theft, Copyleft licenses are the answer to all our problems

level 6

Fucking reddit is literally censoring speech with this move.

level 7

When have they not? If it doesn't fit their "glorious ideology"...welp...off to the gulags with you.

level 5

I’m posting information right now. Is this a gift?

level 3
32 points · 3 days ago

The plan doesn't belong to me and therefore I cannot give it away or sell it.

But I can link to a webpage of the person it belongs too.

level 4

Something something public domain something something

level 2

Would instructions be illegal?

level 3

What about the full text of the cad file?

level 1
103 points · 3 days ago

'Member when Reddit gave a shit about free speech, and wasn't trying to be Facebook? I 'member.

level 2

Oooh, 'memba a couple months ago when they were spamming their users with messages about fighting back against the evil corporations that wanted to censor, restrict, and/or block portions of the free exchange of info. over the internet?

I know I membah.

level 2
40 points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Aaron Swartz died and Reddit with him. What we have now is a zombie.

level 3
11 points · 3 days ago

Don't let Aaron bite you.

level 2

Well they still haven't banned T_D, despite getting endless shit for it, so there's that.

level 1

What a load of shit. You’d think Reddit admins would understand that

Code is Free Speech. Dot com.

level 1

FUCKING magnet:?xt=urn:btih:

BAN 3ae4ba8439

ME 26

YOU 87e5ebfe75a9d12

PUSSY 2d819c6

ASS 1ebd91&dn=DEFCAD%2

BITCHES 0Firearm%20Files

level 1
26 points · 3 days ago

They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em.

level 2

Considering you can make infinite reddit accounts for free and obfuscate the magnet link to the torrent in an infinite number of ways that humans can easily decode, it's actually impossible for them to stop anything.

Banning accounts accomplishes nothing and automated detection/deletion of comments can be easily circumvented.

level 2

Matches were replaced by key strokes about 10 years ago I reckon.

level 1
37 points · 3 days ago

I mean, it's their right to ban whatever they want. It's also our right to use alternative ways to share said files, just using reddit to share said ways.

level 2
Original Poster54 points · 3 days ago

I don't disagree with any of that. I just think it's important that every one know Reddit doesn't want gun related content on its site as is more than happy to restrict the free exchange of ideas it finds problematic.

level 3
31 points · 3 days ago

There's pretty much a full court press on banning anything right of center that is more than 1.5 stdev from the median, regardless of controversy, accuracy, or violence (e.g., Ron Paul).

level 3
18 points · 3 days ago

Oh, I completely agree with you. That's why I said that there are other ways to spread this information. I mean, if most libraries contain books that, in detail, explain how to make explosives out of every-day products, then I think sharing a "recipe" for a component of a weapon should be fine as well. Especially considering that you still cannot 3D print an entire working gun that is reliable enough to not blow up in your hand after a few shots. And even when that day comes, I'll still be for it. Anyone that thinks guns are any more dangerous than any other every-day item they encounter is seriously mistaken. A lot more people (and I mean A LOT) die every day in car accidents, falling down the stairs, drowning, etc. So being scared of a certain object that serves the purpose of self-defense is silly. You NEED to be able to protect your life. You DON'T need to drive the half-mile to your work and back in a massive SUV every day.

level 4
-3 points · 3 days ago · edited 2 days ago

The difference is that libraries are technically “public utilities” while reddit is a privately owned platform.

Edit: I’m only referencing that legally speaking there’s not much we can do. Libraries aren’t allowed to censor because they’re government entities covered by the 1A. Private entities are not necessarily beholden to that. I’m not saying that 3D files shouldn’t be protected. I’m just saying that it’s going to be difficult to figure out how to do this. As the person who responded said, we can boycott, but most people aren’t going to want to boycott over something like this and effective boycotts are notoriously difficult to organize.

I’m totally on board in that this information should be allowed to disseminate. I personally actually downloaded the files when they first went up on DD. I’m in total support of this. We do have to play it smart though.

level 5
12 points · 3 days ago · edited 2 days ago

reddit is a privately owned platform

Sure, but that changes nothing. Reddit is legally in the right to restrict whatever they want. But that doesn't mean we can't call them out for being moronic and authoritarian about it.

level 6
2 points · 2 days ago

True.

level 6
2 points · 2 days ago

Okay, I'm all against reddit banning this, but it's not fascist. At best, it's authoritarian. Fascism isn't just a term we should throw around lightly. We should save it for the actual neo nazis running this term, and other fascists.

level 7

Yeah, you're right.

level 5

That's what my top level comment says though. I know that. I may be upset about it, but all I can do about it is deal with it somehow or get fucked. Reddit can do whatever they want, and that's fine. If it gets bad enough, I'll boycott. At this point, I can see why they've done it, and it's not nearly that much of an issue for me, considering that there are super easy ways to subvert it. For instance, you can't send files, but you can sure as hell DM someone a discord link and send that file there.

level 2

It's also our right to call them two-faced pusillanimous unprincipled fucks. Aaron is spinning in his grave.

level 2

Considering social media sites have taken the priveleges of operating as a "neutral platform" and claimed them legally on multiple occasions, actually it isn't their right to ban whatever they want.

Editorializing the content on your platform is, by definition, not neutral. Which means they must either give up the freedom from consequences for the content contained on their platform or give up the ability to editorialize it.

You can't have it both ways.

level 1
27 points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

This is a reasonable decision about a reasonable issue, not a knee-jerk reaction performed by ill-informed partisan hacks.

spez: cmon guys do i really need to put the /s on this?

level 2

You're right, except you're completely wrong

level 3

You’re right, except I think he was being sarcastic.

level 4

hint: he was

level 2

Drop a /s on there, people are wooshing haha

level 1

WOW, the list is so short... it's the only free speech article listed.

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