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[–]EvilDurgesh 46 points47 points  (0 children)

The Toronto police confirmed this didn’t happen.

[–]one4none 150 points151 points  (5 children)

This was a lie! Toronto police determined that the girl lied

[–]Trutherist 1144 points1145 points  (20 children)

Probably a publicity stunt done by her or her mom.

EDIT

Why the downvotes? Turns out that I was absolutely right!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/scissors-attack-on-girl-in-hijab-did-not-happen-police-1.3759910#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=65GdQmk

[–]dandanmiangirl 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I'm so desensitized from these sensational news posts. Whenever I see a crazy headline I shrug and wait a few days to see if it actually happen. There was a stabbing in Oshawa school that was overshadowed by this weird grab at attention. What a waste of resources.

[–]neachyy 1128 points1129 points  (233 children)

Asking the government to "tackle Islamophobia" seems to be asking for trouble. Why not just prosecute people under established assault and hate crime laws?

[–][deleted] 309 points310 points  (88 children)

Couldn't that be the same thing? That's actually what I thought they meant by "tackling Islamophobia"

[–]neachyy 233 points234 points  (79 children)

Perhaps I'm reading too far into it but it seems to me that they're asking for special protection as they feel that they're being disproportionately targeted and presumably they feel that these crimes are going unpunished. But in this case for instance, the police cant magically make a suspect appear if they don't have any evidence to go on. To me this is just knee jerk reactions and sensationalist headlines. But that's what governments seem to respond to unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (22 children)

Tackling involved public relations stuff. If you tackle racism, you don't just prosecute hate crimes, you study and find solutions based on it's causes and how they can be combated.

[–]geedeeit 10 points11 points  (9 children)

I think importing tens of thousands of people from a culture at conflict with your own and doing nothing to make sure they're integrated into society, then wringing your hands and wondering why the locals are all suddenly racist, is the opposite of a good idea.

[–]lol_nope_fuckers 110 points111 points  (52 children)

Less asking for special protection, more saying "Look, this shit is not as rare as you keep insisting it is, help." The laws are there, but enforcement is spotty, both for women and visible minorities.

[–]TheShagMan 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Yea but when I got my car stolen and I learned about how policing really works I realised they aren't really there for anyone. What are they gonna do?

[–]AliveByLovesGlory 6 points7 points  (1 child)

"Tackling Islamophobia" means blasphemy laws, which are abhorrent in a free society.

"Enforcing current laws" seems to be the way to go.

[–]TheAmazingEtc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tackling any phobia, in context to this assault is as simple as employing and enforcing laws that already exist. In context to this story it is hyperbolic rhetoric that is used to separate people in my view.

[–]kutlerkutter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly how they do it in Football. CFL, football.

[–]GoBay33 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why not just prosecute people under established assault and hate crime laws?

There are probably some hoax crimes the girl can be charged under, because now the police have investigated they say the attack simply did not happen.

https://www.cp24.com/news/alleged-attack-on-hijab-wearing-girl-didn-t-happen-police-1.3759908

[–]tnorthb 125 points126 points  (15 children)

It could mean marketing and education in addition to existing laws

[–]Lupercalsupercow 21 points22 points  (14 children)

Which can be done under existing laws.

[–]Magannon1 154 points155 points  (8 children)

Which is precisely what people are calling for. I think you are in vigorous agreement with the person you're replying to.

[–]PartyboobBoobytrap 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Which is part of trying to fix it. Are you being obtuse on purpose?

[–]scolfin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's like dealing with the mob. You need a strategy that goes beyond arresting the muscle one by one when you can catch them.

[–]ChowDareYou 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right? Let's turn everything into a crime wave.

[–]Pewpewpewwwww 8 points9 points  (4 children)

My thoughts exactly, it's a relatively isolated incident. Not something that demands all these additional resources just standard hate crime charges

[–]koproller 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Didn't Canada have a shooting in a mosque last year?

[–]darkstar3333 11 points12 points  (2 children)

We did, said person was prosecuted for his crimes and put in prison.

Canada does not advertise his name or glorify the crime, expedited trial and sentencing for major stuff like this.

[–]emo_sponge_420 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I knew this smelt fishy. You should have to make up hate crimes if theyre such a big of an issue.

[–]epz 351 points352 points  (36 children)

Jews are still the group most targeted by hate groups in Canada. Tackle racism...not any specific -ism.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hate-crimes-muslims-statscan-1.4158042

[–]briskt 275 points276 points  (22 children)

I live in Canada and as a child a stranger came over to me and knocked the yarmulka off my head. I was scared but I picked it up and continued on my way. I didn't realize that the appropriate response was to have an international news story in the Guardian about it.

[–]nas360 80 points81 points  (8 children)

What if he had cut it with scissors? Would you not have reported it to the police since he could have easily cut you too?

[–]serviceslave 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Local police and international news media are two different things, I think that was his intended point.

[–]briskt 34 points35 points  (6 children)

Maybe I would have, I can tell you for certain I wouldn't have called the press.

[–]hamsterkris 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I can tell you for certain I wouldn't have called the press

Ehm I read in my newspaper less than two weeks ago about a jew that had the same thing happening to them (stranger knocking a kippah off)... You maybe wouldn't but some do.

What's wrong with alerting the press? Shouldn't issues like this be covered in the press so they can be discussed and hopefully done something about? I don't want anyone to be treated that way regardless of religion and I don't see how not telling anyone about it will improve the situation.

(Besides, you're still talking about it on a worldnews thread, most people here read the comments but not the article. I don't understand your reasoning)

[–]serviceslave 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What's wrong with alerting the press?

The girl was confirmed a liar, what if that lie caused a muslim to seek revenge...all based on a lie.

Whoops

[–]hamsterkris 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah I saw the story wasn't true, it's frustrating because people doing that hurt other Muslims immensely and fuel the racism. The Guardian should've waited before posting it, I'm disappointed in them. They have at least as much responsibility in this since it's up to them what they actually publish.

That wasn't my point though, what's wrong with alerting the press if something actually happens? Of course you shouldn't if nothing has happened, making a false police report is a criminal offence in itself isn't it?

[–]darkstar3333 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What's wrong with alerting the press?

Its not the correct avenue, the correct people to contact are the police.

You should be more inclined to take photos and whatnot so the news is "person charged with assaulting individual" not "random asshole assaults person and gets away"

[–]cultsarebad 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's because there is no such thing as C.A.J.R.

[–]mishaxz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You probably just forgot to include a hashtag in a post somewhere

[–]EasternBlitz 34 points35 points  (3 children)

That's cool. I've been attacked by people with knives, and I never called the police. My friend once called 911 because someone was standing too close to him at the bus stop. Everyone responds differently to traumatic incidents. Stop trying to throw shade on this attack.

[–]Kwintty7 26 points27 points  (1 child)

And how did the "ignore it and it'll stop" response work out for Canadian Jews?

Maybe this is the appropriate response.

[–]M116Fullbore 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe not, given the backlash after this turned out to be a hoax.

[–]queen_anns_revenge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah but it's not about Muslims or islamophobia, it's not news worthy

[–]dentistshatehim 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Did he also try to cut your clothes off?

[–]cultsarebad 21 points22 points  (2 children)

If you wanted to write a fictional story about a hijab attack, cutting it with scissors (think about that realistically) is waaay more dramatic than just pulling it off. Makes great copy and is instant clickbait. Let's shine some light on this investigation and see what we find.

[–]WigglingCaboose 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Today it's been confirmed as a hoax. You were right.

[–]Waterwoo 207 points208 points  (164 children)

This seems.. weird. First, having lived in Toronto, at this point I think most neighborhoods are more than half 'minority'. It's really not a racist place. Second, there was a crowd of people and nobody did anything about a guy running up with scissors twice over 10 min? And her brother didn't do anything?

I would not be shocked if this story is not 100% true.

My best guess: She cut/ripped her hijab in some other way, or some students did it as a mean prank in class, and she was scared of her parents getting mad.

EDIT: I was right, it did not happen. https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/scissors-attack-on-girl-in-hijab-did-not-happen-police-1.3759910#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=65GdQmk

[–]professorMaDLib 21 points22 points  (11 children)

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. Toronto's a big place and I've seen quite a few lunatics on the streets before.

[–]BeigeLion 771 points772 points  (429 children)

As we've seen in the past when the culprit isn't caught at first it often times comes out later as a hoax.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/damage-yasmin-seweid-hijab-hate-hoax-article-1.2911776

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-michigan-muslim-student-hijab-threat-hoax-20161221-story.html

http://m.startribune.com/viral-washburn-high-school-fight-video-was-a-hoax-district-says/410736925/

So maybe let's slow down and wait for actual evidence before we start accusing people of being cowardly Islamaphobes.

Edit: Many thanks for the gold kind stranger. Today is a good day for patience and sanity.

[–]downvotethechristian 111 points112 points  (3 children)

News just came out confirming that this story is a hoax. Just thought I'd let you know.

[–]behindtheline40 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Good call. Just came out as a hoax

[–]cometssaywhoosh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

CALLED IT!

[–]contikipaul 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Whos gonna win the Super Bowl. By what spread?

[–]h0ser 25 points26 points  (3 children)

It wouldn't surprise me, I saw her trying not to smile a few times when the cameras were on her.

[–]WigglingCaboose 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Turns out is was indeed a hoax. It's a shame you got downvoted.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We're doing a hindsight upvote party for y'all!

[–]l3monsta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's how circle jerks work

[–]fyhr100 136 points137 points  (185 children)

You say 'often times' so I assume you have a source that compares the number of times it's a hoax with the number of real occurances, can you link that source?

Edit: For everyone brigading me right now... I'm just laughing at how stupid some of you are. Like, you seriously don't know what hindsight bias, statistics, or proper sourcing is. Someone actually fucking told me that I'm biased for NOT automatically assuming she was lying. Seriously, nuts.

[–]TheCaseofTibula 194 points195 points  (127 children)

[–]Dr9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

my favorite was way back when Morton Downy Jr. staged an assult from a cowardly skinhead who drew a poorly drawn swastika backwards on his forehead.

[–]dubuaska 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An infinite amount wouldn't be enough for people like him. He's just looking to argue.

[–]fiftythreefiftyfive 130 points131 points  (84 children)

He did not ask for sources saying that hoaxes exist, he requested statistics on the comparative presence of hoaxes and non-hoaxes.

Seeing the large span chosen, in both the choice of hoaxes (general minority cases, instead of Islam), population group (all of North America instead of just Canada) and time (all of 2017), I don't think that anyone would doubt your ability to find a dozen, or even a hundred individual cases that confirm your point.

There are over a 1000 reported hate crimes in Canada, in a year. https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/14832-eng.htm

Please find a credible source stating that a significant part of those are hoaxes.

[–]29979245T 286 points287 points  (62 children)

You're asking him for statistics that don't exist. You can't provide some credible source that says 90% are not hoaxes any more than he can provide some credible source that says 30% definitely are.

Spamming links to examples of big cases in the news that turned out fake isn't the most scientific argument in the world, but it makes his point that hoaxes are common enough to be skeptical when the news first breaks.

[–]Alkanfel 63 points64 points  (36 children)

You're asking him for statistics that don't exist.

This is a really common tactic, I've noticed. These days everyone wants you to 'cite' even opinions and hunches. I've been a keyboard warrior since like 2004 and it has gotten a lot more noticeable here in the last 5-6 years. You used to be able to say stuff like "I suspect that..." or "I believe that..." or "It's my impression that..." without too much fuss. All the OP said was that these incidents are often proven to be hoaxes, which is of course true.

[–]fiftythreefiftyfive 67 points68 points  (14 children)

You used to be able to say stuff like "I suspect that..." or "I believe that..." or "It's my impression that..."

There's a difference between stating opinions, or vaguely stating things as facts. OP did the latter, I do not think that's a practice to be encouraged.

I also do not believe that it is a good practice to give bad evidence in the absence of anything proper (even if proper evidence lacks on both sides.)

If it's an opinion, state it as such - if it's a fact, show it. Otherwise, don't bother. I quite despise the increasing tendency that there seems to be, for people to use individual stories to attempt to give more weight to their opinions, presented as such or not. For some reason, it's a habit that seems to have transcended every political distinction, even as everything else becomes more and more clear-cut.

[–]NuffNuffNuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Duuude, exactly the same thoughts, I even posted something similar to this several times. People lost their ability to reason without "source"

[–]Spiderdan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"You can't cite your hunch? Hmph, guess my hunch was right."

[–]Revoran 7 points8 points  (4 children)

This is a really common tactic, I've noticed. These days everyone wants you to 'cite' even opinions and hunches.

Well yes there's good reason for that.

Because "often times" people's opinions and hunches are wrong.

[–]indiadoesthedo 14 points15 points  (3 children)

This is a really common tactic, I've noticed.

This isn't a conspiratorial librul tactic, its how all informed discussions proceed.

All the OP said was that these incidents are often proven to be hoaxes, which is of course true.

No its not, its of course false. In fact, its of course obviously false. And I'm using the same standard of evidence as you to make this assertion. I here omit listing all the cases that were not hoaxes as evidence. The only reason you would religiously believe it to be true is if you are emotionally invested in a falsehood. Being triggered by people asking for evidence is very childlike. I have a hunch you are upset when you don't have evidence to back up false claims.

[–]fyberoptyk 13 points14 points  (2 children)

"This is a really common tactic, I've noticed. These days everyone wants you to 'cite' even opinions and hunches"

When they're stated as facts, you're goddamn right. Skepticism is better than idiotic blind faith.

"All the OP said was that these incidents are often proven to be hoaxes, which is of course true."

So a dozen out of a thousand is "often"? And don't get me started on our situation here in the US, where the FBI is involved in over 6 to 7 thousand hate crimes a year, of which at most 20 were hoaxes.

[–]ChickenLover841 19 points20 points  (1 child)

the FBI is involved in over 6 to 7 thousand hate crimes a year, of which at most 20 were hoaxes.

source? because that sounds extremely low

[–]caper1144 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And of course in the end, this one turns out to be fake.

[–]fiftythreefiftyfive 15 points16 points  (18 children)

In general, you can find sufficient statistics to determine that actual crime is more frequent than false accusations of crime (60-80% guilty charges, in most countries, and the majority of the remaining is usually not-proven, NOT not-guilty.) So I do feel that the burden of proof lies with him, in this case, though that's open to some subjectivity, of course.

I also do not state as fact that what he says is strictly false. Simply that it currently remains an unfounded opinion, and should be presented as such.

[–]elkevelvet 21 points22 points  (12 children)

I'm reminded of shitposters who chime into discussions on sexual assault and cite instances where the claim was proved false. It's like the vast body of evidence is suddenly up for grabs because there are times women lied about being assaulted or raped. It is reprehensible.

[–]lolnopound 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ok but it was a hoax

[–]GoodN1ght94 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There are stats who've shown it's disproportionally the most falsely reported crime. I hate the good old ''anecdotal evidence'' trick but there are some studies behind it.

''BI reports from 1995, 1996, and 1997 consistently put the number of "unfounded" forcible rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for all "index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%''

[–]Dr9 5 points6 points  (1 child)

100% of this time was a hoax.

[–]bob_2048 17 points18 points  (3 children)

The hoaxes tend to be the most spectacular cases by far, so they're the ones getting the most attention. That's because when somebody makes a hoax they don't half-ass it: they make the story sound scary, they make up evidence, they call the media. Meanwhile, lots of hate crimes take place that get no publicity, e.g. because the story is boring ("bob was walking home minding his own business, when some guys called him a racial slur; bob said "fuck you" and they beat him up") or because the victim doesn't want to speak to the media.

This one is quite spectacular - a man running up to an 11 year-old girl and cutting apart her veil with scissors! Now, if I understand the story correctly there should be many witnesses and so it will probably be easy to confirm the story. But for now the story seems to be based on the girl's testimony only.

[–]cliu91 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Turns out it is a hoax and you look like a dick.

[–]Table- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol you want this to be real so bad

[–]steiner_math 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lol. I bet you feel foolish now

[–]iluvucorgi 17 points18 points  (12 children)

This is from the ACLU (I just did the A states):

ALABAMA 1 or 2 anti-mosque incidents

Birmingham and Huntsville, February 2017 Both mosques received threatening emails. The Birmingham Islamic Society received an email from someone threatening to hunt “Muzlims Mexicans Blacks” until they are “dead or gone.” Sources: http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2017/02/in_face_of_threats_alabama_mus.html http://www.wbrc.com/story/34543483/death-threats-emailed-to-2-al-mosques

ARKANSAS 1 or 2 anti-mosque incidents

Fort Smith, October 2016 Police and the FBI investigated graffiti at two mosques in the area where vandals spray painted swastikas and the words “go home.” The vandals also damaged the sign, garage, and porch at one of the mosques. Sources: http://5newsonline.com/2016/10/20/fbi-investigates-graffiti-vandalism-at-two-fort-smith-mosques-suspects-wanted/

Bella Vista, September 2010 The Bella Vista City Council met to consider banning the construction of mosques and the practice of Sharia Law within city limits. Sources: http://nwahomepage.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=188955 http://jonah-m-tebbetts.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-jerusalem-in-benton-cou...

KANSAS 3 or 4 anti-mosque incidents

Wichita, December 2017 Police investigated and increased security around the Wichita Islamic Society when a picture of the building was posted on Facebook in response to a post asking for gun range recommendations. Sources: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/kansas/articles/2017-12-18/post-suggesting-kansas-mosque-as-shooting-range-raises-fears

Garden City, October 2016 Federal officials charged three men with allegedly conspiring to bomb an apartment complex that also serves as a mosque for many Somali refugees. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office complaint, the men are part of a militia group called the Crusaders, and had conducted surveillance on potential targets, stockpiled weapons, and put together a manifesto to release after the bombing, which the men planned for Nov. 9. Sources: http://www.gctelegram.com/news/local/three-men-arrested-in-plot-to-bomb-garden-city-apartment/article_c90d54df-d676-5b11-9b73-bd08cb94ce7f.html http://www.startribune.com/somali-americans-remain-vigilant-in-wake-of-thwarted-kansas-bomb-plot/397202791/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/us/mosque-attack-thwarted-kansas/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/militia-members-arrested-mosque-attack-plot/

Wichita, March 2016 The Islamic Society of Wichita canceled a speaker fundraising event after hearing protesters’ plans to come armed. Congressman Mike Pompeo also called on the mosque to cancel the event, in part because it was planned for "Holy Friday." Sources: http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article69548302.html

Wichita, October 2011 A fire that caused more than $100,000 in damages to a mosque was declared arson. Sources: http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Wichita-mosque-fire-declared-arson/6...

ARIZONA 5-10 anti-mosque incidents

Tucson, March 2017 Mosque leaders reported that someone broke into their mosque in the middle of the night, ripped up copies of the Quran, and threw them on the floor of the prayer room. Sources: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tucson-mosque-qurans_us_58c84983e4b022994fa2d3bb

Tucson, January 2016 Residents at a high-rise student housing facility have repeatedly thrown alcohol bottles and other debris from their balconies into the parking lot of a nearby mosque. Residents have also shouted racial slurs at mosque visitors. Sources: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31135422/student-high-rise-managers-p... http://tucson.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/ua-area-residents-repriman... http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31017845/ua-students-throwing-glass-b... http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31073566/4-ua-students-evicted-balcon...

Phoenix, December 2015 Vandals shattered windows at the Islamic Cultural Center. Sources: http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/vandalism-r...

Glendale, August 2010 Two men threw an “acid bomb” - a soda bottle filled with acid at a mosque - targeting mosque officials standing nearby. Sources: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0833871920070808 http://www.kpho.com/news/13849097/detail.html

Phoenix, August 2010 Vandals threw paint on the floor, shot out windows, and wrote anti-Muslim slurs on the walls of a local mosque. Sources: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/09/08/20100908phoenix-mosque... http://www.kpho.com/news/24935884/detail.html

Tucson, April 2007 Vandals ransacked a local mosque, writing "Bush was here" on one of the computer screens. Sources: 'Anti-Muslim rhetoric' cited after vandalism at mosque in UA area, Arizona Daily Star, Apr. 5, 2007

[–]Chrighenndeter 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Why is Kansas in the A states?

[–]Lamentati0ns 66 points67 points  (4 children)

What’s that, 20 attacks over a decade spanning 10 cities*? I think it’s safe to say it’s not a norm

[–]GayNotQueer 14 points15 points  (1 child)

September 11th, 2001. Islamists hijack and fly plans into the WTC buildings.

San Berandino.

Fort Hood.

Pulse Nightclub.

[–]stalepicklechips 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Toronto is one of the most accepting places on earth. I hear 3 or 4 different languages on the subway everyday. Ive never seen any openly racist comments or attacks on other ethnicities/religions.

Im sure there are dicks out there who are racist but they are a tiny minority and arent the kind of people who will change because of some gov't education ect

[–]ctall7 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Or they could investigate the chauvinist pigs who compel (force) her to wear it out of "modesty". How deranged is that?

[–]fugazied 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What a stupid girl. This makes people not believe real hate crimes when they happen.

[–]yetiduds 20 points21 points  (1 child)

And it's a hoax from her mom....

[–]WigglingCaboose 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Today it's been confirmed as a hoax. You called it and you got downvoted for it.

[–]AStartlingStatement 154 points155 points  (42 children)

Remember right after Trump got elected and there was a big spike in people attacking Muslim girls and pulling their hijab's off? Remember how mad everyone was?

Remember when that girl in Manhattan got attacked on the subway by MAGA-hat wearing Trump supporters screaming "Donald Trump!" at her as they pushed her down and pulled her hijab off? Remember how no one on the subway car did anything to help her? Remember how the Trump supporters called her a terrorist and told her to "Get the hell out of the country!" Remember how it was on front pages of all the the newspapers? Remember the outraged commentators? Remember the huge thread we had about it here and how furious everyone was and how it showed what Trump had done to America? Remember when it all turned out to be a hoax? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/15/she-claimed-she-was-attacked-by-men-who-yelled-trump-and-grabbed-her-hijab-police-say-she-lied/?utm_term=.90cf37a2bd9d

Remember when that girl in Louisiana was beaten, robbed and had her hijab pulled off by two white males yelling "Trump! Trump!" as they attacked her? Remember how it all turned out to be a hoax? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/10/women-in-hijabs-on-2-campuses-say-they-were-attacked-by-men-invoking-donald-trump/?utm_term=.c8b055df09e1

Remember when that girl at the University of Michigan had that a white man threatened to set her on fire if she didn't take her hijab off? Remember when it turned out to be a hoax? - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-michigan-muslim-student-hijab-threat-hoax-20161221-story.html

Maybe this girl really did get attacked. But until the police actually finish their investigation and until someone is in custody it might be a good idea to save getting all furious about it. Because it might be just another hijab story.

[–]nammertl 38 points39 points  (20 children)

I read about this today. She described the suspect as a young asian male which is really surprising considering that they are not known for that at all. It really is a weird one and makes me think it is not in fact a hate crime. Probably just a crazy guy trying to deal with boredom.

EDIT: It seems they have omitted that part in the article. But yes the girl did describe the suspect as an Asian male.

[–]50Olol5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The police probably thought the same because we just found out it was a hoax.

[–]NoThrees 100 points101 points  (57 children)

What kind of scum do you have to be to do that to someone especially a little child

[–]MC_117 48 points49 points  (12 children)

The governments ability to tackle these issues is kinda limited. Attempts in the past come off as ham fisted and add fuel to the fire. Time, groups conducting outreach and listening to the complaints of those opposed to immigration rather then silencing their voice by decrying racism would go along way. Using the coercive power of the state is a guaranteed backlash. Not allowing people to voice and feel like their position has bin heard makes them stew and gives the unhinged ones a license (in their mind) for violence.

Edit: Since its apparently not obvious I am not referring to the clear ability to charge this person for a crime. I am referring to the call for government to tackle Islamophobia.

[–]jsting 41 points42 points  (4 children)

In this specific case, can't they just arrest him for assaulting a 11 year old girl? There has got to be a law against running up to a little girl waving scissors around her head and neck area to cut the cloth from her head. Twice.

I don't know Canadian law, but he should be charged on 2 counts of assaulting a minor with a weapon

[–]GenericOfficeMan 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Yes. Canadian here. There are obviously a number of crimes you can be charged for here. Assuming they catch the guy there will be zero issue prosecuting. I think people want some kind of systemic, holistic approach to solve all the world's bad feelings toward eachother which is clearly very far off, but we have a perfectly serviceable legal system capable of dealing with people who assault minors with scissors, regardless of race, creed, gender, etc.

[–]Whargod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Their abilities are in no way limited and in fact they have a mechanism to deal with it already called laws. There is nothing special needed here at all except for assault and whatever other charges to be brought, and in my personal opinion some kind of mandatory therapy to tackle these antisocial behaviors.

[–]ItsNevereveN 10 points11 points  (0 children)

FAKE AF

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The timing of this and the lack of a suspect make this seem very convenient for the PC authoritarian Liberals in Queen's Park and Ottawa.

[–]hazenthephysicist 177 points178 points  (222 children)

This is besides the point, but why is an 11 year old even wearing a hijab?

[–]tar_th 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Sexualization of children. Its a thing in Islam that desperately needs reforming.

[–]Alaaddinh96 18 points19 points  (4 children)

This is besides the point, but why is an 11 year old even wearing a hijab?

Could be because she saw her mom, grandmothers, aunts, cousins, siblings, female relative of her friends etc. wear it and she wants to wear one as well. It's very common for children to mimic their parents, especially when it comes to what they wear.

[–]test12345test1 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Or it could be because her father is forcing her to wear one.

[–]LittleAtari 31 points32 points  (100 children)

I wore a hijab at age 11 or 12. At that age, things are very black and white. I simply saw it as a requirement of my religion, so I did it. My mom wore it. As a child, I was already imitating her sometimes and putting one on here and there at the age of 8. I didn't think much of it at the time. At age 11, you don't think about the whole picture of the world. You don't think about racism or prejudice because you haven't experienced it yet. You don't even think about 'modesty' or sex. You're just 11. At the time, my parents were surprised that I decided to do so because I was still a child, but it's not unheard of. If people around you do something, you just do it. I didn't see myself as special or different for doing so. I saw it as the norm even though I was in Chicago and at the time, Muslims weren't that common in the area.

I've worn it since then. I'm 28 now. My view of hijab has definitely evolved. It's part of my identity.

[–]Whatyoushouldask 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I'm sorry you were taught to hide yourself from the world.

Glad to hear this was just another in a long line of hoaxes

[–]LittleAtari 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I dont owe the World anything and the World doesnt own me. I'm good. I'm content, happy, and do my own thing.

[–]Whatyoushouldask 2 points3 points  (5 children)

No one said you owed the world anything, we are just sadden that you were brainwashed from an early age to feel you had to hide yourself from the world.

You are equal to man, just like a man you should feel comfortable not hiding yourself.

We don't choose our religions, we are born into them, I'm sorry you were born into one that treats women as if they are property and not equals.

Some christens are equally disgusting with their treatment of women but luckily most sects have matured past it

[–]kingofplanetfap 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Be proud of your suppressed identity

[–]Its_All_Taken 113 points114 points  (87 children)

It's part of my identity.

Well that's genuinely depressing.

[–]neotropic9 10 points11 points  (1 child)

FYI this is already against several laws. We don't need to "tackle Islamophobia" any more than we just need to punish people when they do things like this. And there is also no evidence that this kind of hate related crime is any more common than, say, antisemitism, or why we should single out Islam for special protection.

[–]Whatyoushouldask 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well that and it's a lie

[–]BigBrownDog12 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Holy shit this thread is a mess

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well now all the previously downvoted people all get a hindsight upvote!

[–]Quasar_Columba 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Resist the use of the word "islamophobia" ladies and gentleman. A word used as if it was an accusation of race-hatred or bigotry, where it is only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heads up guys, it's bullshit. It's another made up attack.

[–]buster_the_cat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guys the problem is the fact that Justin Trudeau and Kathleen Wynne reacted on Twitter and social media within 45 minutes condemning the supposed perpetrator and spouting anti Islamophobia messages. Before the police investigation was complete. Now the hoax perpetrator was described as an Asian man. The Canadian Asian community is not very active in elections or domestic social issues but it is a big community. I expect the next election to have an increase in engagement with the Asian community.

[–]buster_the_cat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The perpetrator was described as an Asian man. As an Asian Canadian, I found this hoax very offensive. The fact that this girl and her family thought they could get away with blaming an Asian man for a hate crime is a crime in itself. The fact that they targeted the Asian race as a executor of hate is racist in itself. Is no one else seeing this? I don't know what the family was thinking because even naming a race in this "prank" makes the case for Islamophobia worse. The people of that race are likely to side with the perpetrator if it was successful, deepening Islamophobia. And if it turned out like a hoax, as it did, it creates anger in the blamed race as it naturally does when one is purposely blamed for a crime that was not commited. What happened to being innocent until proven guilty? Are we advocating for the protection of one culture by throwing another one under the bus and into the streets?

[–]Linoran 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Oh shit! /s Show this kind of mobilisation when a person is raped by a muslim. No? Thought so.

[–]bangbangahah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Muslims and there oppression of women and gays and jews and atheists and non muslims and christians don't matter.

we only care about white christians ok,come on its 2018 bud get with the time

[–]G8kpr 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Cutting someone’s hijab makes as much sense to me as running up to someone and knocking their baseball cap off and then jumping on it.

[–]MetallicOpeth 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Anti Christian and Catholic stuff happens everyday, what makes Islam so special?

[–]AmongTheFaithful 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Neither should happen.

[–]csdspartans7 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Well good thing this actually didn’t happen

[–]tar_th 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Doesn't matter how much you try, Islamophobia isnt a thing. And I say that as an ex-muslim myself.

[–]SomethingQuiteToxic 71 points72 points  (37 children)

Culture warriors really showing their bravery by attacking little girls.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Cops say it didn't even happen now

[–]startingover_90 125 points126 points  (27 children)

Assuming this even actually happened.

[–]automated_reckoning 77 points78 points  (16 children)

I have personally seen a woman go into full foul-mouthed tirade at another woman with a headscarf - and a stroller. About the kindest and least crude thing said was along the lines of "go back to your own fucking country." In the middle of a crowded bus.

Who knows about this event, but things like it are certainly happening.

[–]JSB12 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And what did you or anyone else do? Hopefully someone said something. If that happens it's kind of on us to make sure minorities don't feel alone or excluded.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cops say now it didn't happen.

[–]ryeoldfashioned 1 point2 points  (6 children)

So, do you want to retract your comment?

[–]fyberoptyk 29 points30 points  (8 children)

I don't give a fuck who you are. Don't attack kids. You are always automatically the worst person in that situation.

[–]fasolia5 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It is a piss poor argument to say women in the Western World CHOOSE to wear headscarves instead of being forced like in the middle east. These women still have religious and uptight parents, families and local communities that encourage and coerce the adoption of a hijab, regardless of exact location.
This is coming from an Arab: Hijabs were not even that popular in the ME before the 1960's-70's. They became much more widespread with the extreme-Islamization of the region following the cold war era. So to pretend its this ancient tradition that everyone undertook for centuries is just false.
PS. the arguments pertaining to the literal covering of faces with other garments are piss poor as well. Ideas and motivations behind something matter to society.

[–]robotasimov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. Egypt literally is fighting to ban burqas and niqabs. It has nothing to do with the religion really

[–]Mr-Skyhighatrist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There just simply is not a problem with "islamophobia" in a big city like Toronto. I live here and Muslim people are accepted as much as any other minority. Canada is one of the most diverse and ethnically inclusive societies on earth today, and to claim that it is wracked with racism and bigotry towards Muslims is not only wrong, but absurd. If the perpetrator get's caught, he will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, what isn't needed are limits on freedom of speech in my country.

[–]roaphaen 7 points8 points  (1 child)

He doesn't sound very phobic

[–]emptykayeye 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Governments can’t get anything right. How are they going to “tackle” this one?

[–]myshl0ng 7 points8 points  (1 child)

By telling white people they are bad obviously

[–]Jossie2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The act of one crazy person is no real reflection of the community and should be views as such.

[–]madmacs 16 points17 points  (36 children)

It may be prudent to find out if this actually happened, like was it staged.

I have memories of some kid in the States claiming the clock he made was not a bomb. Even though it was made to look like one.

I have seen other reports of people claiming this type of thing only to find out it was a hoax to drum up sympathy.

[–]AccomplishedPointer 34 points35 points  (39 children)

Just ban the hijabs, this is not something west civilization should support.

[–]BroodlordBBQ 30 points31 points  (6 children)

what you want to ban is the sexist idea behind the hijab, but the only thing you could actually ban would be every headscarf, which would be complete nonsense because the percentage of people wearing headscarves for any number of others reasons is way, way above 0%.

[–]mirrorspirit 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Cutting off other people's clothing for non-emergency reasons is not something western civilization should support.

[–]lawnerdcanada 11 points12 points  (1 child)

this is not something west civilization should support.

Individual liberty, include freedom of religion, is one of the foundational principles of our civilization.

As our greatest Prime Minister said, "Canada is free, and freedom is its nationality". The idea that a particular religious practice ought to be banned just because some people don't approve of it is one of the least Canadian things I can think of.

[–]stone_opera 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Do you also want to ban wearing a cross, or wearing a yarmulke, or wearing turbans and every other type of religious garment or symbolic dress?

[–]EasternBlitz 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I feel like we should ban furries. That shit does not belong in western civilization.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_CUTE_HATS 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Just ban the hijabs, this is not something west civilization should support.

Yeah screw freedom!

[–]wulfgang 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's horrible but almost front page while Islamists behaving badly links get buried.

A comment about Reddit only - you don't fuck with a child going to school for Heaven's sake.

[–]Rrraou 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is unfortunate. I do hope they find and prosecute the man for this assault.