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-7 points · 1 year ago(3 children)
22 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Since you apparently cannot do the math, here it is for you:

Hoskins signed up for Medicaid in early 2016 but recently transitioned to marketplace coverage when disability checks bumped up his income. He pays a $232 monthly premium for his plan, and receives a subsidy of about $700 from the federal government to cover the rest of the cost.

and

Under the AHCA, analysts estimate Hoskins’s premium would rise 24 percent as insurers would be able to charge someone his age a higher amount. His subsidy, meanwhile, would drop from $700 each month to $333.

He pays $232 per month, and receives a $700/month subsidy from the government.

Total premium per month: $(232+700) = $932.

Total premium per year under the ACA: $932*12 = $11,184

Under the AHCA, his premium would rise 24%, so his new premium would be

$11,184*1.24 = $13,868.16

But his subsidy would now drop to $333/month. Therefore, total subsidy per year under AHCA: $(333*12) = $3,996

Total yearly out-of-pocket insurance premium payment under AHCA = Yearly premium LESS yearly government subsidy = $(13,868.16 - 3,996) = $9,872.16

Monthy out-of-pocket premium = $9,872.16 / 12 = $822.68

The article was right. You should math better. Seeing as you attacked someone upthread as being a fake, I must ask, are you REALLY a chemist if you cannot glean information from the written word and perform basic math?

R/mathroast

35 points · 1 year ago

Obamacare sign-ups, she said, were slower this year, as people in Kentucky were confused about whether the health care law still existed.

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“You know, thinking about it, I’m not even sure what I expected. I just thought it would miraculously work out wonderful for everybody,” Bobbi Smith, a 62-year-old Obamacare enrollee who voted for Trump, says. “So I guess maybe I didn’t put enough thought into what I would expect from a health care act.”

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In southeastern Kentucky, the Obamacare enrollees I interviewed were disappointed — but they also weren’t mad that their Congress member, Hal Rogers, voted to pass it. They talked about all the other good things he had done for the area in his decades of service. They gave him the benefit of the doubt, expecting that he must have cast his vote to improve the economy or solve a budget issue.

This is what we're dealing with.

13 points · 1 year ago

I'm from a small poorer town in Kentucky. I still have a house there. I plan on selling it and just getting the fuck out. I spoke to a realtor and she said the only people who would be able to buy it would have to get an FHA loan. But government never did anything for them.

I hope it works out for you.

238 points · 1 year ago

quote: " “You know, thinking about it, I’m not even sure what I expected. I just thought it would miraculously work out wonderful for everybody".

See kids this is why America will fail. You can't have a functioning Democracy when your electorate is filled with mouth-breathers who think like 6-year-olds. It just can't work.

“So I guess maybe I didn’t put enough thought into what I would expect from a health care act.”

You left out the most important part of that imo. This exactly sums up the biggest danger of populism. Hell I'm somewhat guilty of it too with Bernie. Putting all of ones faith in one "savior" prevents you from thinking straight on the details.

It would be the same if you had voted Bernie, Bernie had won, and then you were upset that he proceeded to push a single-payer agenda.

Stop making apologies for them. Seriously. You're not helping.

The GOP agenda is well known. Trump campaigned on repealing on Obamacare. Campaigned on it. He was elected by them.

There is no world, no universe, no parallel reality where you can look at these people and go "Oh, well, it was an honest mistake".

I'm not defending them whatsoever. I'm just describing why it happened and how to avoid it again. They out as much faith into Trump saving them as they do their fairy cloud daddy, and about as much effort into seeing if it made any damn sense. In doing that they have fucked us all over.

The key difference is that I didn't HAVE to put my faith in Bernie (which I refuse to do to any person regardless of their position) he was straight forward, laid out his plans, and didn't resort to petty bickering or attack ads. Did I believe that if he were elected he would push this nation to a more renewable state? Yes because he did it in Vermont. Did I believe that he would advocate for minority/LGBT rights? Yes because he has his entire career. What has Trump done his entire career? Lie and fuck people over. But because this people put him on a pedestal the believed every fucking word he said.

But because this people put him on a pedestal the believed every fucking word he said.

If you want your mind to be well and truly boggled, realize this: most of them still do.

11 points · 1 year ago

"The guy who lies about everything constantly told me it would be easy, and he could do it and it would be amazing so of course I believed the liar."

The difference is you and I knew what Bernie's single payer plan was all about.

So I guess maybe I didn’t put enough thought into what I would expect from a health care act

Do you think that she actually felt shame and went to educate herself or just said "oh well" and went in to watch reality tv?

Goddamn window-licking fucking moron. STILL votes retardican even though she sees how pointless it is. Absolutely infuriating to share a country with this level of idiocy

retardican

Can we not? When you do this, you're making yourself look like the dudes screaming about 0bummer for the last eight years.

they were bummed out about Obama, hence the term. They voted like Republican retarded pieces of shit, hence the term. I don't care anymore. The fact that anyone still supports cheeto benito is proof enough that common sense and reason don't work.

That's my boy! Liberals have been too nice to these people and have allowed them to fuck us, all of us. People's stupidity needs to be pointed out to them. They need to suffer from their actions - it's the only way they'll learn. if they're even capable of learning.

Bring on the GOP "health-care" (snicker) plan. Let's see if there's any of these people left in 4 years to make a difference in the following election. Time to go full-on Darwin.

Perhaps you are right. But being assholes to them, directly or indirectly, is only going to make them stay far away from liberalism. If you truly want to see change, kindness and education is the only way.

Maybe the blue states need to secede.

That's probably why these red ghettos exist. People in the smaller towns were being told in the 1990s that industry was changing and they had to retrain, move for work or suffer the consequences. By the looks of it all the Democrats took that advice and the Republicans stayed.

Everyone young, education-minded, not hooked on prescription opioids, bold and fearless, and has left the rural areas. What's left behind and fearful, crusty, white nationalists.

We been giving them kindness since Social security , lets give them some "personal responsibility" states rights with full autonomy on budgets

From my post above:

As someone that didn't vote for Trump, please, PLEASE don't turn away. I'm the poor that he doesn't give a shit about. I'm the disabled "scum" that they all seem to hate. I'm the one scared all to hell right now because I'm still fighting to get disability income after 3 years. I worked my ass off until I was 43 and my body failed me. Please don't let my country fail me as well.

All people that are going to be affected aren't Trump voters by any means. Poor doesn't always mean hateful and moronic.

Yes, sadly, they elected a government for everyone, not just for themselves. Sucks.

It is vital that we keep fighting things like AHCA loudly and publicly so that they realize we really were right & on their side when we told them these policies would be harmful to millions of Americans.

Do you think it would be useful doing an AMA on my life long experience with universal health care in Australia? I see the propaganda being spread by US Health Insurance industry about universal health care (long waits, substandard care blah, blah) and would like to redress the balance with my experience.

Can you do a personal AMA with my mom? She works healthcare and is somehow convinced our system is ok

It took 10 years of the Great Depression for them to learn. And their worthless baby boomer kids forgot those lessons in a heartbeat,

They keep voting Republican because they made their choice and supposedly there's some idea you have to stick by it. It's ridiculous.

What did you say about me...?

The only "news" she consumes is an email from her congressman. That's going to be balanced s/. Humans have never had so much information at our fingertips and she is only consuming propaganda.

We need to switch to the popular vote to contain the damage this kind of stupid inflicts on the country.

I just had to double check if that was in the article or if you were paraphrasing. Sadly, that's a direct quote.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a shining and powerful example of just how childish and stupid trump's voter base is. She literally thinks that fucking divine intervention will swoop in and make this terrible situation okay for her--but ONLY for her, because she's clearly part of god's chosen people. She doesn't care if the poor continue to suffer; otherwise she would have voted differently. She literally only cares about herself and slandering progressives. It's absolutely sickening.

91 points · 1 year ago

But they’re still voting Republican.

Maybe they really need to die to stop politicians getting elected from gutting everyone's healthcare

Nah, with public education in tatters there will be plenty more to replace them soon enough.

21 points · 1 year ago

So the best way to get people to stop voting Republican is to dump money into public education?

Yes.

But I live in a city where solidly >50% of the city budget goes to our public schools and my parents moved several times for me to go to the best school. So it's easy for me to value education.

City budgets are small. The federal government has the budget and the size to substantially improve public education.

In fact Title I Grants from the Dept of Education were $14.41B for 2015. This money goes directly to local schools and is a drop in the bucket compared to most other federal programs/

Ah ok. I'm not very familiar with politics of education. Even so, I think my city's budget indicates a general support and positive attitude for public education.

That's still good to have local politicians committed to public education since other important education policies like curriculum is set at a local level.

No, most states dont spend enough and have a horrible tax structure (city state county, property taxes) states should be a smaller form of the Federal government some are and some are not

They like to homeschool so that their kids aren't brainwashed by the godless liberal elites.

3 points · 1 year ago

Betsy will make sure of it.

Sometimes I wonder why we are all fighting so hard to save them from themselves.

I'm relatively young, healthy, middle class, health care through my employer. Not sure, but I might get a few extra bucks a year if the ACA is replaced by the AHCA.

And yet I really don't want that to happen, because a lot of people will be hurt to save me a few bucks. And I wonder why so many other people, so-called "Christians," lack that basic empathy over their love of money.

37 points · 1 year ago

Empathy is communism.

46 points · 1 year ago

Sometimes I wonder why we are all fighting so hard to save them from themselves.

Yeah, I'm coming around to that point of view too. Why waste time trying to cater to people so eager to turn around and sell you out, even when you succeed.

Screw it. Sell them out. They've shown time and time again they're eager to do far worse to us.

As someone that didn't vote for Trump, please, PLEASE don't turn away. I'm the poor that he doesn't give a shit about. I'm the disabled "scum" that they all seem to hate. I'm the one scared all to hell right now because I'm still fighting to get disability income after 3 years. I worked my ass off until I was 43 and my body failed me. Please don't let my country fail me as well.

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-32 points · 1 year ago(More than 9 children)

Fuck you, you have no idea what my disability is. I've tried to find work, but unfortunately my work experience has all been physical. Find me a company that wants to hire a 45 year old with no office experience and a high school diploma and needs multiple joint replacement surgeries. Go ahead, you prick.

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-20 points · 1 year ago(0 children)

I worked my ass off until I was 43

I guess we can't expect a Trump holster to have reading comprehension though. As far as working from home, again, how? My previous work experience was in manufacturing and construction. I'm not a sucker like you likely are, believing those roadside signs to "make $4000 a month FROM HOME!"

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-17 points · 1 year ago(0 children)

How am I a mooch? For trying to get my disability that I paid into? For expecting our president to act like a civilized adult? And as far as a "fake persona", you Trump humpers believe that anything not fitting in your safe-space mentality must be fake. If you are so obsessed with my Reddit usage, you've obviously gone through my history. I am the same person in every post I've made. What I haven't been is a hostile asshole in nearly all of my comments to others if I don't agree with them. Sound familiar there Skippy? So run back to your other account so you can get back to The_Dumpster and cry about how liberals are all so mean.

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-3 points · 1 year ago(0 children)

Some people are just not worth the effort. Disable inbox replies, let them have the last word, and please don't let a keyboard asshole ruin your day.

Whatever kind of whore you are u/KingGravy, it is a piss poor one.

Sorry for what you're going thru. Good luck.

23 points · 1 year ago

I'm so sorry. Everyday I read desperation from people in the US over their lack of healthcare. I'm disabled (since I was 12) but I live in a country with universal health care. I'm an atheist but I thank my lucky star everyday over that.

Why aren't there more protests about it? If a politician or party tried to change our system they wouldn't stand a chance of ever being elected again.

Part of the problem is complacency, but a huge problem is the US is so massive. To get people to Washington DC from the west coast would be very difficult. We don't have a very good public transportation system as well as those most impacted can't afford to take time off work or travel.

I got u fam.

This falls apart when you realize that a significant fraction of the people who will be harmed by these policies did not vote for him or other Republicans.

8 points · 1 year ago

Then who did they vote for? People hurt by Republican policies + the rest of us should be a large enough coalition for dominating Congressional majorities gerrymandered or not (in fact Gerrymandering actually makes this more likely mathematically, not less).

I don't know if you noticed but we had a coalition with 3 million more people than Trump. As long as the electoral college exists the deplorables will continue to win.

25 points · 1 year ago

we had a coalition with 3 million more people

...out of 129 million.

I hate this. That the Electoral College is even put forth as an argument is in itself a devastating indictment of the American people. Three million? THREE?!?!?! It should have been TWENTY in any society with an even marginally functional and responsible electorate. Should have been 75m to 55m AT LEAST.

Instead Trump wins white women? He talks about grabbing women by the pussy and implies Megyn Kelly is having her period and he WINS WHITE WOMEN?!?!?! A billionaire, Manhattan Real Estate magnate becomes the hero of poor America? The hero of the Religious Right?

Our problems run far, FAR deeper than simply Donald Trump.

16 points · 1 year ago

They voted for "Trump" on the TV show - not the real one. But yes, it is unbelievably stupid. I'm glad I live in a country with compulsory voting. No arguments about voter fraud and who got the true mandate, not one due to apathy of the electorate. People died for that right and civic duty asks so little - a few hours every four years - why don't they vote? The rest of the world is amazed you vote on a Tuesday? That's just nuts and another form of voter suppression.

Every two years.

6 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

A. Who gives a damn about the total number of Americans, only voters count and about 1/3 to half of the population even votes, and that is eligible population, not including children etc. which are included in the total population you cite.

B. The electoral college makes a vote from Wyoming count for 3.6 times more than a vote from California, which is why the deplorables keep winning.

This is by design, it was originally pushed by the ex-slaver states to maintain influence against the rapidly growing urban non-slaver states.

These same goddamn slaver states gave us Trump too, so our options are A. The Second Civil War and B. ending the electoral college.

The electoral college makes a vote from Wyoming count for 3.6 times more than a vote from California, which is why the deplorables keep winning.

Except that works the other way too. For all the complaining Democrats do about how good Republicans have it with Wyoming, Vermont is a solidly blue state with only 40,000 more people. Democrats rack up a few senators themselves with the likes of Vermont, Delaware, and Rhode Island. They're just tiny so they get overlooked.

That shows how they voted for the president but the Republican landslide in congress shows the hardly limited their GOP voting to the president. Abolishing the electoral college won't change that.

Not necesarily the fact that it exists but the fact that electors are allowed to say 'screw what my constituents want; Imma vote however I want'

THAT is what needs to change.

71 points · 1 year ago

Are you saying you give a sit about other people? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?!?!?! SO HELP ME GOD IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE I WILL LITERALLY EXPLODE1!!11!

13 points · 1 year ago

Yeah how dare h! That cuck. Pathetic loser. Whiny leftist PC feminist homosexual garbage. WE WON. GET OVER IT!!!!!

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32 points · 1 year ago

This fucking caring about other people signaling has got to stop

They're only Christian when it's convenient for them... and at Christmas

96 points · 1 year ago

My mum called them Sunday Christians.

Go to church where everyone can see you then proclaim that your a good person because you read your Bible every now and then. Remember that Jesus died so you can eat chocolate and get presents and your golden.

In Catholicism they're called "C&E's" since they generally only attend church for Christmas and Easter.

16 points · 1 year ago

My Catholic GF calls them "cafeteria Catholics" because they pick and chose what parts of the religion they want like picking dishes in the cafeteria.

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11 points · 1 year ago

Iirc the bible has a story about that kind of person. Shitty attention whores who proclaim their faith to the world are shitty christians, but people who keep their faith private are the true christians or something like that.

Iirc the bible has a story about that kind of person.

That kind of person is a Hypocrite

And, yep. The bible has several stories addressing this. Jesus addressed hypocrisy in his Sermon on the Mount. That guy Jesus who the whole religion is supposed to be about.

61 points · 1 year ago

I personally care because the uninsured does affect me. People who lack health care still receive health care. But they receive it when their disease has advanced and is more expensive to treat. And then that care becomes uncompensated care, which we all pay for through higher premiums and copays and loss of medical care in rural areas.

Yes, I also don't want to see other people needlessly suffer or die simply because they lack care, but don't think that because you have health insurance you're unaffected by this.

Also, what is being proposed in the repeal bills will directly affect people with employer-sponsored coverage. Pre-existing condition requirements, lifetime caps, reduction of regulations that ensure minimum benefits, etc. These things will all affect employer plans.

Finally, I support the ACA because while I have a stable job with health insurance now, I have no idea what the future holds. No one does.

Hospitals and doctors foot the bill when the uninsured get treatment. Those expenses get passed to the insured. Healthcare really isn't that complicated. There are many successful examples of nationalized healthcare. America is far behind...36 other countries.

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8 points · 1 year ago

It's because they don't see it that way. They see it as the government forcing them to be charitable, thus removing the benevolent factor when they actually are. See, most Christians are convinced that we would be able to take care of impoverished people if the government was run strictly by Biblical principles. They see it as the government taking people's money and being charitable with it, which is something that most of them would rather see be done through the Church. It isn't that they hate people, it's that they have unrealistic expectations for the effectiveness and extent of private charity. Also coupled with their probable lack of experience with impoverished people. They don't lack that sense of empathy, in general, they just don't understand why government programs are helpful.

14 points · 1 year ago

Because not everybody who needs saving voted for Trump. I'm about to fucking die too bro and I voted for Hillary

Me too! I even volunteered for her campaign! Don't want to die pls :(

7 points · 1 year ago

The difference between you and them: You care about things before they happen to you. They don't care until something happens to them.

I'm not an economist but it seems to me like the AHCA doesn't so much save money, as much as it legitimizes (or tries to legitimize) negligence. It's possible as a middle class individual you will save money on your premiums, but if you have living parents they'll be dropped from insurance. When they talk about freedom, they're really just freeing up the option to let your parents die unnecessarily. That's a cost savings to you technically, but if you decide to pay for your father's bypass operation you might be taking on more debt than you or anyone in your family can afford. Without the individual mandate and Medicaid expansions structurally the AHCA just puts us right back where we were, maybe worse.

My parents are upper-middle-class; they're fully set for retirement. They are also both center-leftists who despise the psycho president and his Republican allies and would gladly pay more in taxes to help give health coverage to the poor.

Thank you for not being selfish.

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10 points · 1 year ago

It's like a firefighter saving a pyromaniac from a burning building as they dump gasoline on themselves...

Then when the person is saved the community elects the pyromaniac as fire chief because he's "not a fire fighter" and everyone gets surprised when he sets MORE fires while bad mouthing the ex-fire fighter.

Because everyone still deserves health care, even if they don't think they do.

6 points · 1 year ago

cough cough

Let me step on my soapbox for a bit.

drumroll

It's because religion blocks empathy.

steps down from soapbox

I'm on Medicaid. I voted for Hillary and volunteered for her campaign (and my local reps' campaigns as well). I'm seriously concerned about losing my coverage next year and dying as a result. There are many more like me. Please keep fighting for us.

Before this election, I cared. Now, I don't. If they suffer and die, it's their own fucking fault. I'm just out of empathy for people with no foresight, no knowledge of political issues, and frankly no empathy themselves for others.

I've said it many times before and I will continue to say it as long as this fucking administration is in power: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I'm just out of empathy for people with no foresight, no knowledge of political issues, and frankly no empathy themselves for others.

I can deal with the first two. But a lot of Trumpets fall into the third one, and... well, they're toxic.

Exactly...I mean, I don't want to start a fight with people who think Trump supporters should be forgiven but if I may suggest, I don't think we should forgive them easily.

And why should we feel sorry for people who literally brought it on themselves. They're probably the same people who bash "libtards" and harass and bully people they consider ignorant...Without taking a good look at themselves.

Because the way they are going is by riding the corps of democracy like a toboggan all the way down to hell, and we kind of are stuck with them unless we intern them, or kill them all which isn't an option.

or kill them all

:)

which isn't an option.

:(

“We choose which party we place our values with,” she says. “We’re supposed to trust them to do for us, you know, what our party stands for.”

Thus we see the fucking problem in American politics.

Well did you really expect them to cop to being still mad that their health care came from a Ni**er?

Cuz that and a decade + of Fox/Rush/Hannity/Savage/Larsen etc & Right wing programming/brainwashing is what it really is all about.

They can't tell you why they do what they do and more clearly than that because of the little Manchurian trigger that's been built into their heads.

Good looks thats really all its about

53 points · 1 year ago

As a European I am flabbergasted, I just don't understand this. People voting against their own interests. People fighting cancer ??

52 points · 1 year ago

People voting against their own interest is the organizing principle of the modern Republican party.

16 points · 1 year ago

That still doesn't help to understand

As a non-regressive American, I still don't understand it either.

21 points · 1 year ago

In 1987, we removed a rule that prevented something like Fox News from existing.

Fox News (and to a lesser extent, talk radio) brainwashed a large segment of our population into hating liberals, especially in rural areas. It was aided by poor education, racism, religion, changing cultural norms, and a shifting economy.

30 years later, they can't see themselves voting for Democrats, because they're the party associated with liberalism. There is fervent blind hatred. Republicans know this, so they just set themselves up as being as anti-Democrat as possible. The policies literally do not matter to these people. Republicans just have to be "not Democrats" and they will win elections.

In 1987, we removed a rule that prevented something like Fox News from existing.

Holy shit, there was actually a rule like this? I'm not American so I always assumed something like FN was always allowed but simply didn't materialise until it did. Can you give me some more info?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

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Wow, this is sad.

As a fellow European every time I learn something new about US health care system I'm flabbergasted.

45 points · 1 year ago

“That man has a head for business,” one enrollee told me. “He will absolutely do his best to change things.”

Please, someone, somewhere, explain to me why anyone would ever believe this? Anyone who's kept track of Trump's dealings over the past few decades knows he's full of shit. Anyone who's kept track of the way he treats the people around him, and those that he's contracted to do work for him, know he's full of shit.

Being a mouthbreather isn't sufficient excuse to believe this crap...

35 points · 1 year ago

This is why opposition to Trump is most fierce in NY, you know, where he's from. The people of NY have been watching him and his crooked business dealings, multiple bankruptcies, and near-constant personal scandals for decades. Too bad their warnings were shrugged off as the whining of partisan liberals and media elites instead of the collective wisdom of a wide-variety people with first hand knowledge worth listening too.

In a speech he said, "I will make everyone rich." That's when I knew he'd get elected.

The problem is that so, so many of his supporters are, like the man himself, completely uniformed and unwilling to do even the bare minimum of homework. He’s the guy with an attitude from that reality TV show who’s super-rich so obviously he knows what he’s doing! That’s literally the extent of their knowledge about Trump.

If you run healthcare like a business, don't be surprised when they decide some people are too expensive to keep alive. People are actually literally too stupid to "do the math".

I love the fact that some guy did the math on Trumps business ventures and found that he would have more money today from interest alone if he just left his dads money in index funds.

So much for "good at business".

1 point · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Do you have a link?

Party over even their own well-being. Don't these people know that politics isn't a sport? If your party is actively and obviously trying to hurt you, it's okay to switch sides.

13 points · 1 year ago

I don't know how the guy interviewing these bozos could do it without laughing/screaming at them.

More self control than me that's for sure.

The person interviewing them is a she. Sarah Kliff.

13 points · 1 year ago

So much loyalty to a party that cares nothing for them except for their vote. You don't pick a party and stock by it through thick and thin, that's fucking ridiculous.

Yet that's exactly what they're doing.

12 points · 1 year ago

Sad thing is most people they spoke to didn't seem to actually regret their vote at all.

Now's the time for Dems to push Medicare for all citizens. They won't get it until they take back power, but it's a far better alternative with simpler messaging.

another title could be "look at these idiots"

* sips tea *

People are disappointed that the AHCA is going to suck but still support their elected officials after voting yes. I have no doubt these people shit all over the ACA "because obama" while still benefiting from it. Unconditional partisanship is retarded.

So here's the thing, and I apologize in advance for sounding shitty about it.

These folks are senior citizens. In fact, a very large population of active republican voters are seniors. More than that, they are from rural areas which had, arguably, very poor education systems when they were in school. They are also, objectively, very gullible when it comes to simple solutions to complex problems. Anecdotally, I was a telemarketer for a while (I know, fuck me). I never had an easier time selling than I did when I got an older person in a rural area. The big problem is that these folks (especially the retired) are some of the most active voters. As such, their gullibility influences politics tremendously. I honestly think creating a sort of issue based quiz should be instituted that makes sure you understand what you are voting for when casting your ballot. Obviously you can still vote for whomever. But I think if there was a trusted, non bias prompt that warned you "you are about to vote in a way that has planned to remove your healthcare without a plan to replace it" their might have been a few second thoughts. If they choose to ignore it and place their faith in their choice then at the very least they can no longer claim that they didn't understand, they just bet against the odds and lost.

At least now they KNOW they're not very smart. Maybe that will make them listen to smart people more?

These people are really fucking gullible.

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Election Calendar
Georgia primaries runoff
July 23, 2018
Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle and Secretary of State Brian Kemp will face off in a runoff election for the Re
Tennessee primaries
August 1, 2018
With Mr. Corker out, Democrats are hoping that Phil Bredesen, a former two-term governor, can pull o
Elections in Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio and Washington
August 6, 2018
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Hawaii primaries
August 10, 2018
A crowded Democratic primary is likely to determine who takes the open House seat in the Honolulu-ba
Elections in Connecticut, Minnesota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wisconsin
August 13, 2018
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Elections in Alaska and Wyoming
August 20, 2018
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Elections in Arizona, Florida and Oklahoma
August 27, 2018
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Massachusetts primaries
September 3, 2018
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Delaware primaries
September 5, 2018
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New Hampshire primaries
September 10, 2018
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