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Posted byScott Santens7 months ago
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Finland, where your welfare is unconditional

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level 1

Participants are better off, but the payments not enough to survive on

Just why even bother then?

level 2

They should bother about it, because it's a massive step in the right direction; it's something that they will build upon.

All beautiful video games initially stemmed from pixelated, low-res, trivial pc games.

level 3
0 points · 7 months ago

This isn't a step forward. It will not show any of the benefits as they don't have enough to survive on, and will only be used as an excuse when a serious attempt is made. And to use your analogy about video games: In the 80's videogaming died in the US market because it was so flooded with games that revenue went down and games of such poor standards came out that it made people lose thrust in producers. It only survived because the European and Japanese market were just getting started and brought it back.

level 4

You don't think something similar is happening with a ubi?

level 5
0 points · 7 months ago

I don't know whether it is, but I can see it failing because of implementation flaws, but those being flaws overlooked being overlooked to just shoot down ubi altogether. I'm not saying it will, but we shouldn't be as naive to be in denial of the possibility.

level 6

The realist in me agrees with you; the optimist in me believes it's absolutely vital to keep society going and the pessimist in me says that it's illegal to be homeless and that America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, proving that it isn't exactly a requirement for every innocent citizen to have a decent standard of living.

level 7

I don't get what the optimist and the pessimist in you are talking about. This is about finland, and I don't think society will just end even if UBI is not implemented. We might get some revolutions down the line again if automation progresses, but I don't really see society ending.

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A basic income guarantee is a system that regularly provides each citizen with a sum of money. Except for citizenship, a basic income is entirely unconditional. A basic income guarantee would radically simplify the welfare state, and truly ensure that no one has to live in poverty. Its necessity will become increasingly obvious as more human labor is replaced by machines.

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