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Meteos: "I love this Meta! League is the most fun when people can just play what they enjoy playing"

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So can he play Elise now or what?

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87 points · 2 months ago

Mage jungler items have to not be bad first.

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They gave it a HUGE buff, so yeah they arent bad

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r/leagueoflegends mods are worse than Janna mains1 point · 2 months ago

Not like other junglers have any access to movespeed which they can now use to dominate those poor, slow moving souls forced into Runic Echoes.

They gave it a giant buff and Taliyah, Nidalee, Fiddle and Eve are all in a good state. Buffing that item any further is just risking Nidalee to go rampage again, Elise's problems aren't her items anyways.

level 5

Current mage jungle item is much better. Just do to the stat stick alone. You could buy more MS after and still end up with more ap+ms then you did before for the cost.

It's just more cost efficient. Which does essentially make it better.

level 4

The movementspeed was way more important than cdr though. All the AP junglers (elise, nidalee, eve, uuuhhhh....diana?) have to be able to chase or they cant do shit.

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They are bad for most mages that jungle. Try using the new items with fiddle

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-21 points · 2 months ago(9 children)
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yeah nidalee and eve are doing well and it's literally only those two and elise who have been good ap junglers throughout the years.

elise herself needs buffs because they gave her a large direct nerf by making her take longer to get level 3 which is her strongest spike (level 2 is not so great) which means her spike is that much shorter now.

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A large part of it was just meta. Elise at level 2 is one of the most useless champs in the game and she was the single greatest abuser of fast lvl 3 clear and gank.

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elise herself needs buffs because they gave her a large direct nerf by making her take longer to get level 3 which is her strongest spike (level 2 is not so great) which means her spike is that much shorter now.

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I am not talking about "Champs aren't bad anymore" I am talking about Items. But I guess reddit either thinks that I am saying "Yay the item is good so are ALL AP junglers"

The "they" in my comment before was directed to (the already wrong saying from mister nio151 plural of "Item") "Mage Jungler items".

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I don't entirely understand your reply. I'm saying 2 of the 3 AP junglers that have always done well are doing fine right now and agreeing with you in a way(Nid and Eve were not doing so hot before the +20 AP). I myself definitely like the 20 extra AP on Eve even if the MS will be missed.

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Tbh I don't feel like mage junglers will ever be as good purely based on the fact that Warrior let's you auto for more while also adding more onto AD ratios.

Not to mention that AD junglers often have the option to build bruiser/tank.

The only AP junglers played are ones that if they lane a skillshot you just die to he gank for example Eve Q after charm winds up or Elise coccon or Nid spear

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-1 points · 2 months ago

circlejerk downvoted you lmao

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I mean, if games are moving faster, I feel like she's probably doing better than before as well? Part of her issue is that she can't do very much if games drag out.

Although, I feel AP junglers are not doing very well overall except Taliyah.

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Yeah, there's lots that are playable/viable but def not top tier. That said I love me some Ekko and I think Eve is always a strong soloq pick. I think she's just a buff or item change away from being meta, esp vs funneling strats.

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Tryndamemer4 points · 2 months ago

No but, my Elise ADC is making some waves in Silver III

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TSM but FLY cos Turtle5 points · 2 months ago

Elise was played in LPL tbf

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Or Zac, he's famous for his Zac, so much fun to watch, but...

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Elise is in a pretty decent spot rn, the jungler from a german league team has pretty good success on her in the national league. Of course LCS is a few levels above that but it still is a competitive environment where it seems to work out rly well.

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I'm not high elo or anything but I've been enjoying the hell out if Elise. I remember when cinderhulk first came out and i would run her full tank and still go 15/0 with her. I haven't tried that again yet but hp and magic pen are legit.

Still a bug with her where you can die while in zonya if you hit it while repelling though. That's unfortunate.

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-7 points · 2 months ago(10 children)
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Plenty of viable adc's in the game friend.

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Yay lcs interviews. God I missed these. This sub has been so bad during the off season. And now we can have spoilers too so these can come out sooner!

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NA LCS Journalist7 points · 2 months ago

I'm super glad to do them again too!! 2 months is too long! What are you going to see in the interviews? Any requests!?

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I personally liked scarras interviews the best when he'd ask questions specific to the game that was just played on a high level like asking about a build choice or macro decision.

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NA LCS Journalist5 points · 2 months ago

Ohh awesome! Thanks. I'll try and include that type as well! I always love good feedback like that, some people don't actually answer. I appreciate it! 👍🏼

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unless of course you enjoy playing crit ADCs

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games are ending while my champion is still a caster minion

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GET EXCITED12 points · 2 months ago

Relevant flair aswell, Kassa is pretty terrible.

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No point playing assassins when there aren’t any squishies to assassinate

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167 points · 2 months ago

Didn't doublelift just win with xayah? Same with JD in the LPL? Crit ads are certainly weaker right now than rageblade ad carries, but you can still play them and win.

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He did, although the enemy duo lane killed themselves at level 1 and were entirely unaware of how to play their champions.

Still, Xayah is not anywhere near as bad as people seem to make her out to be. Most of the crit ADs are terrible, but a few of them have survived.

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Only Cody killed himself, not the duo lane

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5 points · 2 months ago

Xayah can function as a utility ADC like Ashe. If she gets ahead she can deal damage, and if she gets behind she can fall back on utility. Xayah is also quite safe with decent range and her ultimate

I’d rather pick Draven, Lucian, or MF in solo queue if I had a choose an ADC though.

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I'm D5 0lp AKA hot garbage1 point · 2 months ago

Crit ADCs are support reliant and Xayah is no exception to this. If an enemy picked Xayah against me i'd just assume they're duo or it's a free bot lane win.

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DL's face when Cody killed himself had me laughing for a solid 5 minutes.

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entirely unaware of how to play their champions.

Cody is fair, but I fucking laughed when you implied Aphro doesn't know how to play Leona.

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Obviously not the intent.

Leona does absolutely nothing when Vlad walks up and kills himself at level 1.

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What are the viable crit ADCs?

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Bring back OG-Flair3 points · 2 months ago

Looking at competitive Xayah and Bork Ashe- Draven and Lucian also build Crit at some point

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-11 points · 2 months ago(28 children)
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5 points · 2 months ago

You making numbers up dude, last time I checked Varus had 17% win rate and kaisa 23-24%

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137% of all statistics on reddit are made up

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Solo queue is very different from pro play though, even more now, I doubt five solo queue players will know to funnel gold into one player

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what you mean my team mates funnel gold into the enemy yasuo all the time... :D

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cnfqkf - LAN, Fok7 - LAN, Depart v5 - EUW13 points · 2 months ago

That's completely off topic from your other comment, you claimed rageblade champions are stronger than crit which isn't true.

All types of adcs are struggling right now, not just crit.

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Lethality and caster adcs are doing fine in solo q. Ezreal, Lucian, MF, Jhin.

It's not till much higher that the meta even starts to warp. There's less than 10.5% of players in plat and up, and still only 35.5% in gold and up.

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-6 points · 2 months ago(9 children)
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And I'm sure that's by design, ads have been the carry role for quite some patches now. Every other lane had to play another class, top laners had to adapt to mages, junglers had to learn marksman junglers, mid laners had to play tanks for quite a while. About time for ads to adapt and play something else.

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when did mids/tops/junglers get every item in their build path nerfed, increased by over 1000 gold, have all their base stats nerfed, and have the only decent rune nerfed? Also when did all the traditional mids/tops/junglers drop to 48% winrate and below?

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3 points · 2 months ago · edited 2 months ago

According to lolalytics' plat+ stats, the only bot lane marksmen with winrates under 48% are xayah at 47.8, varus at 47.5, teemo and kalista at 47.1, corki at 46.8, caitlyn at 46.5, and trist at 46.2. Ashe, twitch, kai'sa, kog, sivir, and jinx are all in the 49-50 range. Jhin, lucian, draven, mf, and quinn are all above 50%.

Sure, most adcs are below 50% winrate. However, you can't blame bruisers for that -- very few non-traditional bot laners have remotely decent playrates. Instead, the biggest issue is Lucian's 31.9% playrate and 52.5% winrate. He's the single most popular bot laner right now, and he's the third highest winrate bot laner with more than a 2% play rate. Throw in mf and draven with higher winrates and 10%ish pick rates, and that means that 1 in 4 adc picks have a winrate over 52.5%. That's a lot of games being won by 3 bot lane champions, and all of those wins have to be offset by losses from other bot lane champions (and most of those bot lane champions are still adcs).

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A simple op.gg search reveals that there are plenty crit ads above 50% win rate. And I'm not denying crit ads are weak atm, but so have bruisers which didn't even have a good keystone until conqueror, or mid laners when sion wa wrecking everyone. Marksmen have been the primary carry for quite a while now, it's good that things change.

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i5-6600K | 16 GB DDR4 | GTX 9806 points · 2 months ago

Lightshot I can see Lucian, Draven and Ashe (who has a 2,46% pick rate, so either very situational or sleeper op). So if 3 Marksmans are plenty then idk...

It feels like you remove the "striker" in football. We hate that you are so mandatory for your team to succeed, so we are changing things up.

Maybe riot can fix the situation, but this meta can't be what everyone wanted this whole time when talking about changes to adc.

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Ashe usually does better than average when adc are at their lowest just because of her utility on a runaans cleaver build (CDR for ult/bird and "AoE" armor reduction). She is pretty stable even through nerfs, provided that you can play her well. Other ADCs, especially jinx/cait rely way more on damage, and have been hit the hardest by those nerfs.

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Ashe tp mid is back bby

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Jinx, sivir, twitch, ashe, draven, Quinn, lucian are all above 50%, granted lucian and quinn can build lethality, but crit builds still have above 50% win percentage.

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Translation : crit adcs arent blatantly overpowered anymore REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I wonder what it was like being a lucian player for the past 2 seasons.

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Or jungle tanks. Or top tanks.

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4 points · 2 months ago

Because Mundo isn't a top tank, or Trundle a tank jungler?

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3 points · 2 months ago

Dr. Mundo and Trundle are both considered fighters.

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Yeah well gangplank is classified as a support

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1 point · 2 months ago

He's actually also classified as a fighter on their website.

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eh, I dont really see him as a fighter either. look at the descriptions of the classes given by riot and think about what Gangplank does during the game mostly and how he acts.

Fighter:

Fighters are durable and damage-focused melee champions that look to be in the thick of combat.


Slayer:

Slayers are fragile but agile damage-focused melee champions that look to swiftly take down their targets.


Mage:

Mages are offensive casters that seek to cripple and burn down the opposition through their potent spells.


I'd think gangplank more fulfills the role of slayer or mage more than a fighter, especially considering the sub roles of fighter are diver and juggernaut which he fulfills the role of neither.

What I mean to say is even though champions like Mundo may be designed or referred to as a fighter by riot, their ingame function may be pretty different. I wouldnt say "We need a tank" and hope my toplaner goes what riot defines as a fighter like Camille or Diana or Elise or Rengar. But when I do want a tank I'd be happy with a Mundo even though hes a "fighter". Riot's definitions of these champions is pretty off for a good amount of them, probably because they use the definition of their roles differently than how the community uses them. Who here after all would put Diana with Kled and Warwick and Olaf in the Divers class rather than with Fizz and Akali in the Assassin class?

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Doubt anyone is calling Warwick or Olaf an assassin. I'd reckon the majority consider them bruisers/fighters. They're much more durable.

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Yeah I was saying Diana was in the fighters section, they define things weirdly. Diana has been played as an assassin since her release.

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Ah, my bad. I misinterpreted what you were saying. Thanks for not going off on me. I agree with you saying that Diana isn't like those champs listed, since she's usually built to assassinate someone rather than to disrupt.

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[Goldorgh(EUW)]4 points · 2 months ago

I feel like each game I play with Zac on this patch is either :

-get outfarmed and outganked whatever you do in the game, and lose because of the sheer pressure and tempo loss

-get outfarmed and outganked but still win because you hit your powerspike before the ennemy snowball to hard

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3 points · 2 months ago

Like the several crit ADCs that have been currently played sucessfully in the pro scene? Along with the caster ADCs that are being played pro, that pretty much says any ADC is viable, especially considering you can always play anything in soloqueue successfully.

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Criy ADCs are still viable. Also, I'd rather have a small group of champs not as strong than half the champs.

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-10 points · 2 months ago(1 child)
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13 points · 2 months ago

Repeat after me: "I have no game knowledge and I let my hateboner guide my opinion of the meta."

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people are so salty about " ADC" , that they are willingly ignoring the win rates of both strategies and ignoring what meteos saying just to keep whining

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Buh look at competitive §!!!!1 nobody playing ADC and is winning !!!

Except you know, literally every region, especially LPL.

I'm pretty sure people in here blame whatever flavor of the month to feel better about their rank.

I'm not stuck Plat because of me, its because Rito killed ADC despite me having 300 games on other ptaches !!!!

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ayy lmao4 points · 2 months ago

literally had a guy in d5 say "unlucky this patch nerfed botlane" while he solo lost the game so yeah :)

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NA LCS Journalist1 point · 2 months ago

I actually hadn't thought of this, but that seems so plausible. People like bandwagon-hating the new changes because "it ruined their ability to be good." You're so right.

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adcs will never stop complaining unless theyre op. ever. its always been that way.

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And it's super crazy to me. Adcs have always dictated the entire pace of the game since season 2 basically. The last couple seasons it's been particularly bad with ardent, wait till trist is 3 items, have cait push the opposing adc under tower for 10 mins then roam, protect the kog comps, etc... now that people dont wait for bot to scale...its a much faster paced and interesting game.

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What do you think is going to happen, when they make a glass cannon role that scales with multiple different stats, that all scale off each other.

Then, they made the role that was designed to protect the adc stronger and stronger, so the glass cannon became harder and harder to kill.

It's not hard to see why the role has dictated games and the meta, especially when it's also the role that does the safest and best damage to towers.

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Exactly. One point I really agreed with hashinshin about was crit. What is the point of 100% crit? That just means that crit is now your basic attack. Marksmen have been strong forever and support while also overpowered just continued to enable marksmen to do what they do. After 25 mins good luck killing the marksman with an enchanter support ( who recently got nerfed as well). Really the power bot was too strong. Now all lanes are pretty even.

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The way the meta worked before I agree with you, it was way too many things working together.

But right now a crit adc is barely a champion until 100% crit, and even then barely scales better than a lethality or caster adc, who can actually impact the game before 30 minutes. Or a mage or a fighter, who get to have similar damage, but also better cc, sustain, and/or mobility.

We shouldn't go back to the way it was before, but right now for a role that is supposed to scale into the lategame there's not much payoff. There's a good balance somewhere between the two.

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You still get 100% crit. The meta is either snowball the game or stall till late. I think were in a good spot where everything is viable. Soloqueue is difference since people ff 15 lots of times and even give up after a single death. It's crazy. I dont think the meta is in a terrible spot. Just needs to balance out naturally. Big shakeups require more time for balancing.

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op is viable sure.

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It's not hard to understand. People have mained champion roles since forever. People like playing assassins, or mages, or bruisers, or assassins. You're surprised people like playing marksman?

For the entirety of the game up till now, marksman were the role that scaled hardest into the late game. This has been the case since at least season 2, and yet people still are somehow surprised by this and complain that adcs get to be babysit all lane.

When adcs were weak, I'm sure people would have played other roles, but if you had tried to play Yasuo or Vlad bot a year ago, wouldn't you have thought they were trolling? So the meta forced adcs, but if an adc is ever weak, teams in solo q are incapable of raging at the useless adc.

If the role gets bitched at whether they're strong or weak, wouldn't you rather be strong?

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Unless what you enjoy playing low-damage characters, you're in for a bad time then.

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I´m certanly enjoying the low damage ADC mordekaiser

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I imagine 1.2k damage on third Q is considered low for Morde.

Plus when you flash with it another person's ARAM game ends in draw.

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Uhhh I don't think he was referring to Meteos he was referring to everyone.

It seems to be on the whole agreed that games are decided at around 15 mins then you wait another 10-15 for the nexus to explode. Meaning damage reigns supreme at the moment.

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ah so he meant either scaling picks that does no dmg or tanks ... alright get it , not so fluent in english thought when he said "you" he was referring to meteos

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Are they really playing what they enjoy playing though?

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Didn't you know every ADC's dream was to main Heimerdinger?

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I mean the reason we are seing it is pretty much because it was Hjarnan's dream to main heimerdinger...

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10 points · 2 months ago

No, my dream was that one role had always the same 6-8 champs every single game for 4 years, wooops!

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6 points · 2 months ago

Then maybe they should actually get better at playing ADCs since we have seen Lucian, Xaya, Ashe, Varus, Kai'sa, Ezreal, Kog, Jhin, Draven (was Cait played too or just banned) all successfully. So apparently if they wanted to they could play them.

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Double CS of your lane opponent

Never get ganked

Perm push

High chance of tower first blood

What is mana?

InTeRaCtIvE GaMePlAy

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ayy lmao1 point · 2 months ago

idk about attila but if you check Hjarnan opgg he has been playing heimer and singed forever even more than actual adc so its not like he was forced to adapt and pick becuase hes insane champ he just likes the champ and he thinks its good now

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I love scrolling down just to read adc tears.

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2 points · 2 months ago(14 children)
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Lol there are mid and toplane carries far more mechanical than adcs

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yikes.

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NA LCS Journalist1 point · 2 months ago

Lol what did you do to that guy!?

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4 points · 2 months ago

I guess Faker loves to play Taric.

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Hence why he played Camille jg and did 2k dmg and afk farmed.

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44 points · 2 months ago

What if I enjoy playing ADCs

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Draven, Lucian, MF, Jhin, and Ezreal are all perfectly playable?

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41 points · 2 months ago

Kai'sa.

Also Kog, Xayah, Varus and Ashe were played and did well in competitive (trist was picked just once, but she did great). At least Ashe out of these also does ok in soloQ.

And last but not least is actually on-hit Vayne. She is doing ok, too. Crit Vayne is the one doing bad.

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Susan6 points · 2 months ago

Isn't Ashe generally bad in soloQ though?

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5 points · 2 months ago

She is always fine normally just because of her CC and vision. She performs ok statistically. Ashe only has a bad time when other ADCs are way outperforming her (the last 12 months before 8.11).

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Quinn is also very viable in solo queue.

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Shhh. I'm a top laner. Don't tell them about my Quinn. They already fuckin'up my aatrox. :/

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Gotta Buy 'em all64 points · 2 months ago

Still play them.

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-9 points · 2 months ago(19 children)
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67 points · 2 months ago · edited 2 months ago

Traditional ADC have a better winrate for this weekend of LCS than the funnel-gold shitshow with 3/4 supports and one carry.

Reddit is just a shithole in term of knowledge and most redditors prefer circlejerking or crying rather than just watching the games

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-4 points · 2 months ago

Traditional ADC have a better winrate for this weekend of LCS than the funnel-gold shitshow with 3/4 supports and one carry.

I don't play lcs

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So it probably doesn't affect you in anyway. You can legit play anything bot right now and succeed.

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Obviously.

ADCs are even more effective in soloQ than pro play. Really not much has changed on that front, you just have to learn to counter some new matchups. God forbid.

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Still play them.

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Gotta Buy 'em all6 points · 2 months ago

This guy knows shit, learn from him echo chamberians!

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12 points · 2 months ago

Oh look, this silly circlejerk that was already proven wrong multiple times.

How original buddy.

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Then play ADCs, because unless you're a pro player even crit ADCs are still perfectly viable.

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You have a Draven flair, if you're not Challenger or Masters your champion is fantastic in this meta right now.

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3 points · 2 months ago

Play it then. My bruiser botlanes gets fuqed 90% of the time when they're up against ADCs anyways,

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cowards10 points · 2 months ago

don't play crit and ban vlad

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3 points · 2 months ago

Vlad bot sucks in soloQ. Ban Yasuo and you can play everything as long as you don't suck on that champ, except for maybe trist.

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I thought banning yasuo is the standard :o

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Oooooooh, I gotcha. Just don’t play 50% of the adc pool? Right. Sounds like a good solution.

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Hasn’t 50% or so of the champions being somewhere between unplayable and thoroughly mediocre been the case for the last few years?

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It's always been that way, the meta has always just centered around a small handful of champions at a time

This meta is actually the most diverse one we've ever had

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yes it is

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then get better at playing marksmen and stop blaming the meta

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-15 points · 2 months ago(7 children)
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You should probably not shitpost when you don't know shit. GC literally doesn't work on the game balance anymore LMAO

He is on the player experience team working on Clash and the new tutorial.

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This conversation is getting really stale now. I sit around the high silver/low gold elo in ranked. I have played probably upwards of 50 maybe 60 ranked games since patch 8.11 hit. I literally haven't seen a single bruiser botlane, a single gold-funnel strat, a single *anything* that le reddit circlejerkers keep complaining about. Every single ranked game I've played since 8.11 has had a marksman/true support botlane duo on both teams, the standard low elo Yasuo vs Zed midlane, and normal junglers. Now I' mnot saying it doesn't happen at all, because it clearly does, but most of the people on Reddit are like me, low elo, even though they refuse to admit it, and in low elo basically no-one is playing the meta people are complaining about. It's only really being seen in high elo. So how a bunch of bronze-gold players can be complaining about something that basically isn't happening in our elo I don't know. In silver, Lucian and MF alone make up 20% of the pick rate, with Jhin, Ezreal, Kaisa and Jinx making up another 40%. Compare that to Morde/Ziggs/Heimer/Yasuo/Irelia who combine have only 5% pickrate in Silver, which is lower than Caitlyn's pickrate on her own (at 5.21%). Sure the non-marksmen all have positive winrates, but if combined they're only being picked in 5% of silver games, does it even actually matter to Reddit who are mostly silver?

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That's because you're low elo. You start seeing this stuff in plat and above

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daddy lourlo3 points · 2 months ago

I’m currently plat 1 and I see a bruiser or mage bot like maybe one in every 10 games. I think it gets more popular in master and challenger where they can execute it well

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Did you completely fail to read anything I typed except 'I'm high silver/low gold'? Most people on reddit are low elo, yet it's the redditors complaining about it. Is that really so hard a string of words for you to understand?

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We Are The Vanguard!3 points · 2 months ago

Smite support singed makes its comeback.

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But reddit told every (by spamming crying daily threads on the front page) that this meta sucks, pros hate it, biggest mistake of riot, etc

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iVirtue30 points · 2 months ago

Never listen to reddit about balance. Bunch of easily impressionable players who will repeat whoever they look up to verbatim. And these changes don't nearly affect them as much as they think. They need their excuses to explain their losses.

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You are reddit too.

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2 points · 2 months ago

The reddit cries about how bad they feel for pros has been hilarious. Hardly any pros have complaines, most enjoy the fact the game has actually changed. Not "oh look these 3 adcs are good now" but "oh look this entire role opened up to a huge amount of pick diversity".

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Hash has brain washed them with the crying strat. This sub has declined a bit from all the crying tbh. I just wanna see spicy plays, builds, and content.

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Yea no lidding!

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The only pro adcs who have outspokenly welcomed the change are people like Hjarnan who already played off-roles heavily in soloq already.

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what about jinx players ? or tristana ? or caitlyn ? can those play what they enjoy playing and win reasonabily ?

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Fun when you used to play ADC but seeing for me the best ADC picking Janna in pro is just ridiculous damn and it's even more frustrating for Faker playing Taric mid what a waste of talent

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Best Yi LAS40 points · 2 months ago

I say the same when top laners like Huni get relegated to Maokai/Mundo/brainlesstankhere, aggresive junglers like Peanut relegated to Sejuani/Maokai/brainlesstankhere or a midlaner like Faker on Karma/Galio/Sion or Supports like Mata on Janna/Lulu/Karma

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And he got smashed by adc, so maybe it's not so good

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People are WAY too fixated on individual games.

Shit would be different if it was like that every game, but we can clearly see that teams are just playing different comps that don't always want adc.

I like the diversity

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12 points · 2 months ago

Uzi never picked Janna.

Most teams still pick ADC comps and especially teams with good ADC players do better with classic comps than with none ADC comps.

And why is Taric mid a waste of talent? Timing the E, managing the range and mana for the Q spam and timing the R while also blocking skillshots isn't just easy. It just looks less flashy.

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tad too chaotic imo

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2 points · 2 months ago

It'll settle out as people figure out what works. It's practically a preseason at this point, sooner or later the absolute best strategies will rise to the top and we'll have some form of established meta

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cries in ADC.

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I've been playing out of the meta builds, team comps, bronze bravery stuff but only when I'm on a pre made team with my friends and it is so fun

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Try Archangels1 point · 2 months ago

Does this mean I can play my lategame champ Kassadin again and actually have a say in how long the game goes instead of either losing my inhib 1v4 or taking the enemies inhib 4v1 at 10-15 minutes?

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Good interview, bad audio. Sounds like they just used the mic on the camera in a small, empty concrete room. Need a good boom mic.

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i really enjoy playing adc's like trist, caytlin xayah etc.. oh ye forgot his comment is just untrue.

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Yes, everyone can enjoy what they're playing, except Marksmen LUL

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0 points · 2 months ago

Can this dude get a haircut already

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C9 Ride or Die1 point · 2 months ago

idk which one you're talking about but no they cant

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NA LCS Journalist1 point · 2 months ago

Lol I was thinking the same.

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the one that looks like hes stuck in 5th grade

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#justtankingthings1 point · 2 months ago

what if i enjoy playing fiddlesticks?

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9 points · 2 months ago

Fiddles support is great atm, and you get to beat the fuck out of any weaker champions found bot. Your e poke is pretty annoying, your q disengages and your w on a siege minion is useful. It's not the same as fiddles jungle but once you hit y it feels almost the same.

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#justtankingthings1 point · 2 months ago

yeah but it's not the same... part of the reason i play champs like fiddle and sion is their ult is so spooky but if you're contained to a lane that lane is going to expect it after a while. i like being able to spook mid or ult down bot once in a while.

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2 points · 2 months ago

Fiddle support is great at spooking people. As soon as you leave vision on the map the bot laners have to back up and be ready and roaming mid is a great idea. You buy sweeper so you can roam up and surprise people with the spooky caw caw

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Fiddlesticks bot is pretty fucking meta so you're in luck

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#justtankingthings1 point · 2 months ago

fiddlesticks jungle *

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Fiddle jungle is fine. I play that shit all the time and it works. People worry too much what pros play. We aren't all challenger

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I saw around 2-3 competitive games with Fiddle.

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"I love this meta! I can play anything" -not an adc main, 2018

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Funny that any lat game scaling champion is literally unplayable though

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"cumshot on 7" -meteos.

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-9 points · 2 months ago(1 child)
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Why?

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Tell that to all the elise players or tank players right now.

Oh how I love this diverse jungle meta with skillful champs like Xin Zhao, graves, Trundle, Jax... /s

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-1 points · 2 months ago

exept if you wanna play aa adcs

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-1 points · 2 months ago

People are giving crit ads being played in LCS as a reason that they are viable. You have to understand that in LCS your team will peel for you and your support wont be an actual monkey. You have to also consider that your solo q opponent wont be as terrible on vlad as Cody Sun.

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Meanwhile adc's are forced to play mages or bruisers which most of them hate and can't play and some people like dardoch are forced to not even paly their role because champs he hates are so op you have to play them lol

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kat+akali 2trick-2 points · 2 months ago

Unless you enjoy playing crit marksmen, then fuck you

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I enjoy playing ADC tho

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8 points · 2 months ago

So pick over half the adc cast that's pretty decent atm, or spend some time on some of the decent crit adcs that are still okay. If you play best on twitch, chances are you'll do better on twitch than on some meta champion anyways.

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What half? Lucian, MF, Draven? Didn't know there were 6 adcs

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4 points · 2 months ago

Lucian, ezrral, mf, draven, kaisa, varus, ashe, kog, xayah is actually doing okay, even jhin has maintained a 50%ish winrate atm. That's easily half the adc cast, and all of have decent winrates in the hands of mains atm. Crit ads need help, but even then mains are still pulling positive winrates on pretty much every adc. Meta is a lot more open than people think, just stubborn players refusing to adapt to the new.

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#MyC91 point · 2 months ago

Xayah, Jihn, Twitch, Kogmaw are not completely awful either- Ashe has been doing well in competitive as well- obviously solo queue =/= competitive (I mean who's playing Jihn/twitch in comp right now?) But just felt like it was worth a mention.

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-4 points · 2 months ago

unless you want to play ADC, then you probably should play a bruiser or mage instead.

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3 points · 2 months ago

That's pretty bad advice. If they are good on adcs, they should play em. Over half the adc cast is still doing good, the only ones "struggling" are crit ads and even they are doing well for mains in soloq. Trying to metagame chanpions is a bad idea unless you are really really good. Having a small pool of champions you like will help you improve immensely.

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