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5 months ago

Fake Satoshi double owned: "I wrote the lightning network paper and I didn't understand a word of your presentation"

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level 1

Can someone explain to me why we are still talking about this guy?

level 2

Apparently he's an excellent conman.

level 2

Because some people still think he has any importance at all and let him talk at conferences.

level 3

He's the Dean Karnazes of crypto

level 2

Because people like Roger Ver with deep pockets like to pay court to him:

https://i.redd.it/4ldo01roplsz.jpg

level 3

Other than Ver and Wright, who is the third guy in that pic?

level 4

Calvin Ayre.

level 5

scammiest of scammy

level 5

Always keep that image in mind whenever you read any pro BCH articles on Coingeek (Coingeek is part of the Calvin Ayre media group)

level 3

Looks like bad fake picture to me (look at elbow Roger Ver, sharp line, and skin color chains that comes with it).

level 4
3 points · 5 months ago

I'm SO glad I saw this photo on his facebook page ages ago. I saw all the photos and comments that are circulating now including one that said "plotting the death of bitocin". It ain't fake, although I'm sure they have deleted it all now

level 5

In other words, it very old and it could have been an honest mistake. Pretending otherwise is clear attempt of character assassination. Something this channel and bitcoin-core and blockstream are quit familiar with

level 6
1 point · 5 months ago

Enjoy your bag

level 7

You2

level 4

Was multiple photos on Calvin's FB page

level 5

I get what Roger Ver is trying to do, but taking pictures with fake satoshi, that seems very dumm. Fake Satoshi does not deserve credit anywhere.

level 6

Roger thinks he is the real Satoshi, Roger is easily fooled.

level 7

Proof it,

level 8

read u/memorydealers comment history

level 2
redditor for 3 months
Original Poster9 points · 5 months ago

He shined a light on how absurd it is that a proven fraud is given a platform to speak. It's the same as inviting josh garza to a be a featured speaker at an event, and when that happened people called him out, exposed the truth, and eventually brought down the paycoin scam.

http://goedhartvoordieren.nl/?page=r/Bitcoin/comments/89etbb/fake_satoshi_double_owned_i_wrote_the_lightning/dwqywfn/?st=jfkb7bv6&sh=ae3535b0

CSW with a sick comeback on twitter

http://goedhartvoordieren.nl/?page=r/Bitcoin/comments/89etbb/fake_satoshi_double_owned_i_wrote_the_lightning/dwqthow/?st=jfkbcfzp&sh=bad15404

level 3

@ProfFaustus

2018-04-03 11:32 +00:00

Smackdown by Vitalek....

Oh... where are my degrees..... it burns, it burns...

https://youtu.be/QiK34QicusI

Sorry Bevis... Oh I mean Vitalek

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level 1

You get him Vitalik

level 2
level 1
22 points · 5 months ago

Is vitalik a big supporter / developer for Bitcoin along with his work on ETH?

level 2

Yes

level 3

ehh.... I wouldnt go that far. He makes comments from time to time, but big supporter or developer, I would say no.

level 4
2 points · 5 months ago

He supports BCH and is extremely negative on the moderation of /r/bitcoin.

He still believes in cryptos tho, including Bitcoin and just wants the best we can do as a community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL9VoxCFqT0

level 4

He certainly used to be, he was a big figure in the Bitcoin community prior to starting Ethereum

level 5

not really big, he was there and had discourse with people but nowhere near people like Gavin or Hearn.

level 6
redditor for 3 months
0 points · 5 months ago

Well, back then the only person who did more for bitcoin than Gavin was Satoshi.

level 5

So was Roger Ver

level 4

He co-founded bitcoin magazine, but then tried to raise money for a quantum computing scam, after that he tried to push a major peercoin pump, but ended up going with Ethereum pump instead

level 2

He isn't a developer for Ethereum let alone Bitcoin, there is Bitcoin core developers who wrote more Ethereum code than Vitalik (his own words).
Vitalik talks or as he calls it "does research", but he doesn't write Ethereum, he never wrote it, he wrote a white paper, I'm not hating, just setting things straight.

level 2
redditor for 3 months
1 point · 5 months ago

Not at all. He openly praises BCH as being superior to BTC.

level 1

The audio on this is so bad! Couldn't hear a word of what vitalik was saying. Anybody have captions?

level 2

same

level 1

I love how Joseph Poon jumps in at about 1:25.

level 1

Can somebody ELI5 the reasons for this confrontation?

level 2

It's coming up to the end of the 4th series of the crypto themed animé called Ethereal Verses: Vitalik GO! Sunrise Arithmetic and so this is basically gearing up for the final battle where Vitalik unleashes his signature move which is basically just pointing and speaking loudly. Unfortunately for him, his arch nemesis Faketoshi Notamoto (played by the actor Craig Wright) is much better trained at creating a cloud of uncertainty around him, and is expected to do a lot of swearing as he is quite an angry character even for this animé.

level 3

Thank you, I can't wait to tune into next week's episode to find out what happens next.

level 4
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13 points · 5 months ago

Shit I can't either

level 5
10 points · 5 months ago

There will be a few episodes of characters powering up and screaming before the fight.

level 6
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3 points · 5 months ago

I feel like the filler charge up shit talking was the best part personally

level 5

Shit I can't ether

fixed for you

level 4

CSW with a sick comeback on twitter

level 5

Pathetic.

level 5

@ProfFaustus

2018-04-03 11:32 +00:00

Smackdown by Vitalek....

Oh... where are my degrees..... it burns, it burns...

https://youtu.be/QiK34QicusI

Sorry Bevis... Oh I mean Vitalek

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level 6

Yep, sounds like something satoshi would say... 🙄

level 3
redditor for 7 weeks
1 point · 5 months ago

I've never considered setting up my account to give someone a gold more. That's almost as good as giving you a gold xx

level 3

Let's crowd fund this anime

level 2

/S Ask Craig Wright.

level 1
41 points · 5 months ago

*co-wrote the Lightning Network white paper.

level 2
53 points · 5 months ago

Yeah but it's harder to shout that across a room.

level 3

lmao

level 3

And it just sounds really awkward. I'm not really giving him shit for making that statement I'm sure Dryja understands.

level 1

Joseph killed Craig like several times in a row

level 1
29 points · 5 months ago

Vitalik, the hero bitcoin needs, but no the one it deserves.

level 2

I would argue rather :

Vitalik, the hero Bitcoin deserves but not the one it needs.

level 3

very funny rephrase actually.

level 2
-2 points · 5 months ago

Vitalik also likes to visit R. Ver at the Bitcoin.com headquarters in Tokyo. He is not entirely against Bcash...

level 3
11 points · 5 months ago

I read through all of his comments on twitter when he live tweeted his responses to presentations. His views are not one-sided and he backs them up with sound reasoning.

level 4
-3 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

Yes but even if he adopts the "neutral" and balanced reasoning considering Bcash vs Bitcoin (which is a mistake IMHO because the Bcash team have lost legitimacy a long time ago, they survive with the deep pockets of Ver and Chinese miners), going to the .com headquarters is not the best thing he could do.

level 5
2 points · 5 months ago

the Bcash team have lost legitimacy a long time ago, they survive with the deep pockets of Ver and Chinese miners)

So Ver and Chinese miners are scamming Bcash users by digging deep into their own pockets? uh huh.

level 6
6 points · 5 months ago

Yes, they're probably funding anti-bitcoin propaganda with it. the dot com domain is an entire propaganda enterprise now.

level 7
-3 points · 5 months ago

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? What scammer or fraudster would burn his own money like you suggest? Seriously, think for yourself.

level 8
9 points · 5 months ago

They want to take over Bitcoin with a fork attack and they can push up the BCH price pretty high without digging very deep. They made tons of money with the fork itself (and you need people believing BCH has value, hence the propaganda). You seem to not understand the problem very well, I'm sorry.
It's also a war for power, not only money.

level 9
-1 points · 5 months ago

I've spent a lot of time over the past year educating myself on block chain and the economics of currencies. I've dug deep into many different whitepapers and learned quite a bit. I've spent no time on the "reality TV " or "fake news" segment of the crypt community. There's no knowledge there. If you want to follow people and listen to what other people tell you about other people, good luck to you. I'll stick to figuring things out for myself.

level 10
10 points · 5 months ago

Getting educated about the "blockchain" will probably tell you that you can't scale based solely on the blocksize but whatever... It also won't tell you about the true intentions of someone who has no problem with "insider trading" and is trying to deceive people by calling a fork the "real Bitcoin".
You can fork all you want, just don't try to deceive people. It's because they perfectly know that Bcash have nothing to show that they're attacking directly Bitcoin, who has a lot more in its future in terms of technology and scaling plans.
But I'm sorry for your loss, you can go back to the very balanced r/btc.

level 8

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Only to someone who has done zero research. I've been here 5 years now and I've seen it all. Yes, Roger is spending capital against Bitcoin to promote his competitor, bcash.

Are you really so naive that you don't think economic warfare doresnt happen in a maerket between competitors?

And that doesn't even touch the spam issue....

http://goedhartvoordieren.nl/?page=r/Bitcoin/comments/76lyxd/never_forget_bitcoins_always_been_under_attack_do/dofg8yw/

level 9

The spam issue has always seemed to be a joke to me. If your product is built to make money from usage and someone can attack it by using it, you need to fix your product.

I'm holding my BTC because I hope it can fix these shortcomings. I invest in other cryptos because they appear to have already solved these problems or are solving them in the near future according to their roadmaps (Plasma, Sharding, etc).

I continually re-evaluate, so my investments are subject to change according to mostly technology advancements or failures. Rarely do the conspiracy theories factor into my investment decisions.

For example, Craig S. Wright could decide tomorrow that he's been wrong all along and now supports only BTC. It won't change my mind about BTC by one bit. Then if Roger Ver suddenly decides BTC and Lighting are the holy grail of crypto and he was wrong all along, I still don't give a crap. I'm not selling my BTC. Likewise, the drama between BTC and BCH zealots don't push my money one way or the other either.

So yeah, I stick by my assertion that these theories of attacks on Bitcoin by deep pocketed fraudsters sound ridiculous to me. If it turned out to be true, I'd sell my BTC immediately because it's too weak to withstand something so easily contrived. But BTC is still standing, still the highest market cap, so no...I don't believe the conspiracy theories.

level 10

The spam issue has always seemed to be a joke to me. If your product is built to make money from usage and someone can attack it by using it, you need to fix your product.

Agreed, and this is something I noticed years ago. Bitcoin does not have perfectly aligned incentive structures. Miners can fabricate transactions and fee's to game the system, resulting in higher costs to the end users.

But this is where the irony sets in. The people on the bigger block/BU/Bcash/bicoinxt side have notoriously supported mining cartels. The same mining cartels caught red handed manipulating the fee market by spamming the blockchain.

I invest in other cryptos because they appear to have already solved these problems or are solving them in the near future according to their roadmaps (Plasma, Sharding, etc).

How does Plasma and Sharding fix the fee incentivization issue? I could understand if one made the argument that DAG systems fix it by literally removing the blockchain and miners all together (though I think these systems wont hold value over time), but not blockchain assets.

So yeah, I stick by my assertion that these theories of attacks on Bitcoin by deep pocketed fraudsters sound ridiculous to me.

Ignore the obvious by all means, your bad.

If it turned out to be true, I'd sell my BTC immediately because it's too weak to withstand something so easily contrived.

No one said that they were ultimately successful. I think its the opposite, that bitcoin has proved resilient to these attacks and that they've wasted a shit ton of money in the process.

Keep hodling.

level 1

Hey, it's me Satoshi

level 1
4 points · 5 months ago

Good on Vitalik and Joseph taking time out to attend a conference that let that conman Craig in. The organisers should be ashamed.

level 1

Some people do not understand the concept of proving a negative

level 1
level 1
2 points · 5 months ago

Master?

level 1

rekt

level 1

The amount of virgins in that room is probably a larger concentration than anywhere else on earth.

level 2

I used to play magic the gathering, and let me tell you, I don't think crypto is quite there yet.

level 3
11 points · 5 months ago

I don't think they understood the real meaning of "tapping."

level 2

Could you be any more childish and condescending?

level 3
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-1 points · 5 months ago

It was funny

level 2

Umm.. you do know that the combined net worth of that room is in the billions USD, right? There's a strong negative correlation between lack of female attention and having ungodly large piles of money.

level 3
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3 points · 5 months ago

billions? the bcash conference? lol

level 3

Ummm... did you see the crowd?

level 3

Actually the opposite is true most of the time. At least when I had my psychology courses, one thing females typically find attractive is "security" which in a large part is "financial security" aka having boats of money attracts the females.

level 4

Isn't this exactly what OP said?

level 5

You're right, didn't see the "negative" before the correlation. My bad.

level 4

That's what I said.

level 5

psychology courses

Art student can't into math

level 6
0 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

I'm a chemical engineer major btw. So yes, I can maths.

I have also taken a grand total of 2 psychology courses. I hated both. That doesn't mean it has no merit or that I couldn't learn something.

level 7

I can hardly know anything about you from one comment, just banter because you misunderstood

level 2

Virginity levels reaching critical mass; plasma ignition imminent!

level 3

Activate quantum virginity

level 2

Was probably true before the concentration of multi-millionaires in the room increased non-linearly too...

level 1
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2 points · 5 months ago

Young people can be creative and useful especially in new areas such as the bitcoin protocol but this seems childish

level 2

I can kinda understand how he feels. He poured hours, days, months, years working and learning the low level mechanism on many things on Blockchain then some guys just blabbered nonsense on a supposedly intellectual "conference".

level 1
3 points · 5 months ago

What a joke our community has become. I hope all of that is a decoy to entertain the masses while real foundation is being built.

level 1

Later

level 1

Can someone actually ELI5 what this is about. Ie what is gamma in this context for example?

level 1

Where can we see the code of BCH?

level 1
redditor for 3 months
1 point · 5 months ago

Rubly likes risky guys! It is interesting to observe them.

level 1

BABIES ARE DYING!!!!!!

level 1

Faketoshi Necomoto blown the fuck out!!!!!!

level 1

Why would a person who wrote the lightning network paper attend a bcash conference?

level 2

Why not?

level 3

It's like Stephen Hawking going to a flat earth conference..

level 1

Haha

level 1

Rekt!

level 1

wtf did fauxtoshi actually make sense there with the negative percent thing???

level 2

Nop

level 1
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level 2

given the context, nah.

level 2

But he is right.

level 2

Explain?

level 2

The whole scene is really unprofessional

level 3
3 points · 5 months ago

so what? Are all revolutionaries supposed to wear ties and speak politely about passionate subjects?

level 4

If they want people to take them seriously, yes, they should speak politely and not act like they're in high school.

level 5
2 points · 5 months ago

that is total garbage backed by no proof or data whatsoever. people take people seriously when those people say and do things that are serious. you don't have to be boring and stiff in order for people to take you seriously. the fact that vitalik made ethereum gives him credit to be taken seriously, the argument he made was also very well articulated. passion does not disqualify a person's point if they are speaking the truth.

example: elon musk -- eccentric as fuck! launched a car into space. creates flame throwers for fun. people take him seriously.

don't be a turtle.

ps. i am over 40, and have run multiple businesses.

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level 4
19 points · 5 months ago

Having Craig Wright there undermined the conference and the presence of everyone else in that room. I think it's more than reasonable to call out a fraud, even in public.

level 5
redditor for 3 months
3 points · 5 months ago

Indeed. It's fundamentally the same kind of pushback that would be if Trevon James was invited to deliver a lecture.

level 4
30 points · 5 months ago · edited 5 months ago

I completely disagree. He shined a light on how absurd it is that a proven fraud is given a platform to speak. It's the same as inviting josh garza to a be a featured speaker at an event, and when that happened people called him out, exposed the truth, and eventually brought down the paycoin scam.

level 5

In a way I do see your point. I think Craig Wright needs to explain why he lied before doing more speaking engagements, because he is essentially capitalizing on a lie right now.

I also see a lot of people getting excited about Joseph Poon's remark and Vitalik's anger, so maybe this will be a good thing for the market by getting people excited again. I do think this Satoshi scandal has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and caused them to lose interest. Maybe some scandals will get people excited again. And that's always a good thing.

I guess I take back what I said before.

level 6
redditor for 3 months
9 points · 5 months ago

I think Craig Wright needs to explain why he lied before doing more speaking engagements

But the only reason he is invited to these events and be a public figure at all is because of the lies and the fame that came with it. Without it, he is literally a nobody, and an ignoramus.

Which is pretty much what Vitalik is pointing out. CW is only there because of his celebrity status, and that is only derived from his fraud.

level 4

I think a public act like this is needed. We need capable, competent and brilliant scientists working towards the future of cryptos, not con men like Craig Wright. Crypto is highly unregulated, whose going to call him out to tell the truth? Since he claimed he was Satoshi he's done nothing for the crypto community but used the profits to create his own company and sell his 'blockchain' services to people. Vitalik did the right thing, if he doesn't call fakes out like Craig, no one else will or can. This is for building a future for a sustainable crypto market, a man like Craig can be very dangerous if we ignore him

level 4

It is called peer review

level 3
-5 points · 5 months ago(0 children)
level 2

Using math is childish now?

level 1
-9 points · 5 months ago(1 child)
level 2

Apparently the truth hurts, and it's pain-level is counted in down-votes. (thank you for posting the truth)

level 1
-14 points · 5 months ago(0 children)
level 1
-14 points · 5 months ago(0 children)
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