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[–]Antsalinas14 2973 points2974 points  (231 children)

Good lord, I loved the 1st season of Daredevil so much. Everything was so well done, from the terrific hard hitting fight scenes, to the extreme tenderness and brutality of Vincent D’Onofrio’s Wilson Fisk. In my opinion, he gave one of the best portrayals of a truly terrifying villain. Kingpin could be so soft, emotional, and vulnerable, and then snap into a complete murderous rage. I will never forget the car door decapitation. Excellent tv show!

[–]PathToExile 895 points896 points  (95 children)

D'Onofrio is a stud in front of the camera, dude commits to his roles and it so apparent in the final product. He was the star of the only Law & Order series I cared for, I watched the show just for him.

[–]Stingerc 443 points444 points  (17 children)

Heard an awesome story about him. He's basically an actor's actor, only truly interested in the role, the pay is secondary. He apparently tells his agent he will only do scripts he connects to and finds interesting, no matter what the movie is about.

He's so disinterested in everything in else that he was in a pitch meeting for a show with the creators and his agent. While pitching the show his agent tried to help with the pitch. D'Onofrio turned to him and asked who he was. The guy was a little confused and said he was his agent. D'Onofrio was a bit surprised and asked if he was a new guy the agency had just assigned to him. The agent told him that no, in fact he had been his agents for the last couple of years. The agent said it didn't surprise him, since D'Onofrio truly only cares about the project and acting, not the business side of things.

Also that when people hit him up on Twitter with questions about acting, he will give incredibly detailed answers, but that usually at some point he will just tell the person to DM him to go further into detail as doing it with 120 characters at a time is not very efficient. Apparently he's incredibly kind and interested in helping young actors with the craft.

[–]Bouncingbatman 93 points94 points  (8 children)

Can we get an ama from him?

[–]Lux_Tizer 51 points52 points  (4 children)

He did a shared AMA with Charlie Cox for the premiere of Daredevil.

A good portion of questions are directed to him specifically, and it's quite informative.

[–]nikktheconqueerer 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Wow that's definitely one of the best AMAs I've seen. Sucks to see everyone hyped for a daredevil or wilson fisk appearance in Civil War

[–]SailorET 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I would like to point out this was back in the era of Victoria, when r/IAMA was really at its peak.

But it is a great AMA.

[–]Stingerc 41 points42 points  (1 child)

He he, sorry i heard it in a podcast from someone who had the same agency representing them.

[–]bodhilady 54 points55 points  (0 children)

His twitter feed was amazing. He's taking a break right now because he was getting into petty fights whenever he expressed his politics. We all lose- he seemed to really enjoy the connection and opinions of his fans. Now his feed is "someone close to him" and quite generic.

[–]tchuckss 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The twitter thing is most certainly true. He's always answering fans, engaging in conversations, and shutting down trolls. Very approachable fella.

[–]Teddyismydawg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's actually really refreshing to hear. I don't know why, just little things like that give me a little more faith in humanity.

[–]savagevapor 436 points437 points  (63 children)

[–]dystra 138 points139 points  (24 children)

shit, that's the same guy?

[–]ntourloukis 193 points194 points  (12 children)

And he was the fuck up recruit in Full Metal Jacket. And he's had some other roles where he has what I'd consider a different look from all those other characters. It's crazy, he's had a long career with so many different interesting and different characters. I remember when I first put it all together (pre-fisk) and was impressed, then I saw daredevil and didn't even know it was him till about halfway through.

[–]ghosttrainhobo 72 points73 points  (9 children)

He played Thor in Adventures in Babysitting.

[–]ShiftyThePirate 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I fuckin KNEW I knew that face! I was constantly like wait isn't that the guy who went crazy in Full Metal Jacket??

[–]PurpletonPimps 25 points26 points  (7 children)

One of the best actors of our generation. He just disappears inside of a role.

[–]SomeSayFire 22 points23 points  (2 children)

My favorite role of his was The Child-like Empress in The Neverending Story.

[–]YonderMTN 151 points152 points  (10 children)

There's a guy who used to frequent a bar in my town that looked just like the character here.....the line was of course.


[–]Antsalinas14 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Fuck yeah, he’s awesome in that! I remember watching as a kid being completely disturbed by him. I actually watched that a few months back, and was amazed by his acting in that movie.

[–]chemicalbomber 12 points13 points  (3 children)

And also "Adventures in Babysitting"

[–]TarybleTexan 14 points15 points  (2 children)

As Thor!

[–]HilariousSpill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Mind. Effing. Blown.

[–]dragonk30 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You think that's wild? He played Thor the same year he played Leonard "Private Pyle" Lawrence.

[–]picometric 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Also in Salton Sea as Poo Bear.

[–]spendouk23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Was looking for this.

[–]PathToExile 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Absolutely, that's just the one that most people go for ;)

[–]savagevapor 43 points44 points  (11 children)

[–]etherama1 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Oh fuck that's a gif

[–]JustinHopewell 13 points14 points  (8 children)

First time I ever saw D'Onofrio was this movie, as a kid. Man, you never forget that scene for the rest of your life, yeesh.

[–]CornflakeofDoom 7 points8 points  (1 child)

“It’s a long trip. I’ll need a snack.”

[–]maximumecoboost 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's a lot of mouths to feed, Your Highness.

[–]mrbigbusiness 25 points26 points  (6 children)

No shit. That got canceled, as did the the OG Law & Order, but we have SVU doing the same 4 storylines over and over, along with the annoying main detective and all of her drama that I could not give 2 shits about.

[–]_Triceratops_ 29 points30 points  (4 children)

I used to be like you, and then I discovered the SVU drinking game. The more bonkers the show gets, the better it is. Check out S7 E21 "Web".

Rules: There are overly detailed ones out there but we usually just play it simple. Take a drink every time it goes "duh duh" and take a drink every time someone says something ridiculous or something ridiculous happens. Bonus drinks for Ice T.

[–]Mal-Capone 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If I want to do irreversible damage to my liver, I'll do it over the course of a few decades, not one hour thank you very much.

[–]stoprockandrollkids 123 points124 points  (34 children)

Between him and David Tennant as Kilgrave in Jessica Jones, I don't even know which Netflix Marvel season 1 I like more. Both of those acting jobs as villains just blew me away.

[–]botojomomo 56 points57 points  (14 children)

The best of the superhero shows/movies are the ones with the best villains. It seems obvious but they haven't caught on yet.

[–]kgroover117 39 points40 points  (7 children)

The MCU needs DOOM.

[–]Archeval 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Not just doom, a well played and thought out doom

[–]Amazing_Karnage 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I agree with you 100% on this! It's why I was so puzzled by people saying that Black Panther solved Marvel's villain problem...because it really didn't. Killmonger was a great villain, but the fact that he was "one and done" plays into the problem Marvel has with villains, it doesn't solve it.

[–]Bedurndurn 15 points16 points  (2 children)

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[–]Burjennio 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I want to update this numerous times.

Possibly 66.

[–]kaltorak 15 points16 points  (11 children)

JJ season 1 was maybe my favorite of all the Marvel properties, but I'm hesitant to watch it again because Tennant is so goddamn creepy.

[–]SneakyBadAss 6 points7 points  (4 children)

This is one of the most fucked up scenes I ever saw in a TV show. Even triumphing "heart" scene in a Preacher.

Can't wait for S3 tho.

[–]RyantheAustralian 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I got it even better because I was watching Arrow at the time. Trying to catch up, I think at the time I had 3 seasons to get through so I was bringing them on some...site. I think I was 12-13 episodes in, but I was struggling. The guy who plays Oliver is just so wooden.

But I had a 30-day free trial for Netflix at the time which as close to expiring, and Daredevil was just released, so I took a break from Arrow, intended to catch the first episode only of Daredevil and glthen get back to Arrow. I think the contrast between the wooden-ness, and generally crappy storylines and acting (I rolled my eyes so many times coz he seemed to always threaten gangs of armed men with a bow and arrow and their crimelord bosses and then order them donate their money to a charity or something...and they'd obey!!) was night and day. I couldn't believe how good Daredevil was, but I'm not sure if that wasnt a little bit because I found Arrow so bad. I raved about it to everyone and said it was easily the best superhero-related thing I'd ever seen. In hindsight...maybe, maybe not.

[–]solidfang 12 points13 points  (0 children)

One of my favorite reddit moments is when Arrow became the Felicity Smoak show at the end of one of its seasons, the Arrow subreddit became a Daredevil subreddit briefly.

[–]SomeShoe 45 points46 points  (6 children)

I really hope the third season can recapture the magic of the first season, but one can only hope.

[–]Xavanux 79 points80 points  (51 children)

The 2nd season was so weak and pretty boring. The first season was the best imo also.

[–]falconx50 259 points260 points  (35 children)

The one thing I loved about the second season was Daredevil and Punisher arguing with each other on the rooftop, trying to convince the other one they are wrong. It was like watching a play. Just fantastic.

[–]letsfuckinrage 151 points152 points  (24 children)

I actually don't remember much of the second season except for the parts with The Punisher in it. Electra was such a boring character she barely stayed in my mind after she was in an episode.

I can't tell if the actress is bad, or the character is bad. Or both.

[–]Jord-UK 111 points112 points  (23 children)

Electra was terrible because Electra seems to be some irredeemable and weak character, but Punisher was fantastic. Punisher's series is the best imo, but Wilson Fisk is the true star of this mini franchise, they turned a pretty boring character and made him into someone captivating and likeable. He's been portrayed so well that you could mistake him for one of Batman's villains

[–]letsfuckinrage 47 points48 points  (6 children)

I had no familiarity with the comic book series at all. I knew that there was some superhero that was blind, that was it. Knew nothing about Kingpin at all.

Wilson Fisk was such an amazing villain I got hooked instantly and just devoured the first season. The actor is so good I got nervous butterflies when I suspected he was getting angry. Terrifying and awesome.

Electra is some kid that is neither interesting or has any value to me at all as a character. In fact, I see her as nothing but a weakness to Murdock. And that just makes her annoying. I have no idea what she was supposed to be like in the comics, but I dearly hope that wasn't it.

I absolutely loved the Punisher series. I don't know that I've ever loved an anti-hero more in my life. I want more Frank.

[–]Platypuslord 79 points80 points  (3 children)

I bet you would like "The Hound's" audition. You can hear when one of the casting directors dropped her pen in shock.

[–]letsfuckinrage 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Good lord. He was so intense that I jumped. I couldn't break away. Thank you for showing me that. That was excellent.

[–]ScubaSwede 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you for linking that

[–]Lethalstorm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

nervous butterflies when I suspected he was getting angry.

I can absolutely relate to that. In the episode where he's calmly talking to Ben Urich, I was totally expecting him to just issue a couple of threats to back off or something along those lines. I realized what was about to actually happen and I was legitimately creeped out by him. He really kills that role.

[–]ElegantBiscuit 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Cottonmouth would be my close second for favorite secondary star (maybe third after punisher but he got his own show now). I can’t wait to see Fisk again but it’s a real shame that (Luke Cage spoilers) Cottonmouth died and they ended the season on the shitshow that was diamondback.

[–]kaltorak 9 points10 points  (2 children)

seriously... Ali as Cottonmouth was just fantastic. So many great scenes, but I love the montage where he's auditioning Jidenna.

[–]Xavanux 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The Punisher's series is the best. It is the most realistic and the most relatable because who would stop if their family was killed? I wouldn't if I had his skills.

[–]Im_At_Work_Damnit 27 points28 points  (6 children)

"You're one bad day away from being me!"

[–]_Junkstapose_ 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Basically, the first half of season 2 was good and then the Punisher is beaten and shipped off. I had to double-check the episode number and how many were left because I was surprised they would wrap that story up so quick. I kept waiting for the Punisher to show up again.

[–]Divides-By-Zer0 27 points28 points  (1 child)

"Listen Red."

Rubs head

[–]Bilbo332 27 points28 points  (0 children)

"M'ask you sumthin"

[–]Danominator 69 points70 points  (7 children)

Every part with the punisher was solid. I think it's just the electra plot line that is kind of weak

[–]radixradiant 18 points19 points  (2 children)

i think that the problem. They spent too much time setting up the punisher that the main plot line lost all focus

[–]Commando388 12 points13 points  (1 child)

i think they should have picked either The Punisher or The Hand storylines and that should have been season 2. season 3 could be whatever wasn't picked the first time.

[–]ruderabbit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They really conflict with one another, and Electra really loses out, she's introduced a few episodes in with no fanfare or set up after we're already engrossed in the Punisher/Daredevil dynamic.

Even her storyline seems disconnected, with the gangs from season one returning when the Punisher was dealing with different groups. It really feels like two different seasons mashed together.

[–]Xavanux 11 points12 points  (2 children)

They just threw in Electra and it soiled the entire season for me. The Punisher was awesome and should have been the only thing they focused on.

[–]Danominator 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The scene where he is wounded in the graveyard and describes the night before where he didn't read to his daughter gets me every time.

[–]hooahguy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So happy he got his own show. Jon Bernthal just does an amazing job as the Punisher.

[–]Samisseyth 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It was good, but I got really annoyed seeing that Flying Backflip Kick in EVERY SINGLE FIGHT. Choreographer really likes that move.

[–]goramfed 374 points375 points  (22 children)

[–]PapaSmurphy 142 points143 points  (6 children)

Gotta love the guy who makes a target out of himself by hopping up to shoot the driver. That is some quality henching right there, hard to get that kind of loyalty these days.

[–]DatPiff916 52 points53 points  (4 children)


[–]Navy_Pheonix 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man, before throwing him out of a plane.

[–]theydeletedme 66 points67 points  (2 children)


alright Wilson, hit them with something cool



[–]Gideonbh 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If anyone tries anything... frown and do the thing with your gun

[–]AGuyNamedRyan333 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Man that 4 wide wall of highly trained tactical assassins missed a whole bunch of wide open 10 yard shots.

[–]Un4tunately 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Everybody so polite to hold their fire until everyone is in formation and ready to go.

[–]Put_It_All_On_Blck 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was also really bothered by what the cops said on the radio, stuff like "taking fire" that is cheesy shit tier dialogue. When your fellow officers are being turned into ground meat, you don't respond like that. Also it doesn't take a genius to realize you never ever stop a VIP vehicle that is under assault.

[–]RateNXS 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

[–]Revan_Perspectives 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Thank you! Fisk was so bad apple walking like that. So good!

[–]Last_Jedi 1282 points1283 points  (41 children)

What makes this speech so great is that it contains his realization that he's the villain. So many villains use the "greater good" to justify their actions and believe that they're the hero of their own stories. But Kingpin knows his role. "I am the ill intent."

[–]IconOfSim 513 points514 points  (20 children)

The speech combined with the break out that follows is what sold me 100% on him being my favourite of all time. Its just so menacing and frightening for his reach and influence to be that far reaching, for him to stroll out of the van on a whim, army at his back.

[–]CaptainFalcon9 193 points194 points  (1 child)

Stroll is the right word too. Takes his time. I love that shot.

[–]relavant__username 35 points36 points  (0 children)

That was what sold it to me. Total badass.

[–]ben_sphynx 86 points87 points  (12 children)

He's great. But then there was Killgrave too...

Not quite sure which one I prefer, but they were both amazing villains.

[–]KamuiT 164 points165 points  (9 children)

Killgrave was like a child slinging his power around and not knowing what to do with it.

Kingpin is cunning and knows exactly what he wants and how to go about getting it.

Edit: Do not get me wrong. I LOVE both characters for these reasons.

[–]TheRabidDeer 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Killgrave was great BECAUSE he didn't know what to do with it. He mistakenly hurt so many people and it changed him so much. Kingpin was more terrifying though.

[–]Dreadgoat 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Kilgrave is the product of his power.

Kingpin's power is his product.

They're not really comparable because they're circumstances are basically opposites.

[–]darthbone 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Kilgrave wasn't necessarily a great character, but his writing and portrayal were.

[–]AnArcher 54 points55 points  (3 children)

What? Characters are their writing and portrayal.

[–]TheUnfabulousKilljoy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Seriously. It's like saying a painting isn't good, but its message and execution are.

[–]PirateRobotNinjaofDe 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Killgrave was fucking horrifying. I wish they had utilized him a bit better, but his early S1 arc was something else.

[–]bruttehund 4 points5 points  (2 children)

How far in in the series is this? Makes me want to watch just for that.

[–]IconOfSim 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Lol this is like final episode lad. GG WP

[–]Plumhawk 257 points258 points  (10 children)

"The truth is... you're the weak and I am the tyranny of evil men. But I'm trying Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd."

[–]CMLMinton 62 points63 points  (4 children)

the difference being Jules realizes this and is trying to change it.

This is the moment where Fisk realizes he's not the hero of the story and doesn't care.

Incidentally, Jules leaving the criminal game leads to a bunch of good things happening for other people and bad things happening to bad people. Had Jules been in Butches apartment, Valentine wouldn't have died, Butch probably would've, Wallace wouldn't have been Karma Raped and the rapists wouldn't have died brutally, so on, so forth.

Thematically, Fisk's life went to shit right after he said this. His empire crumbled, he got the shit kicked out of him (by a genuinely good Samaritan), went to prison, separated from the woman he loved, so on, so forth.

You'd think he'd pick up on the lesson God tried to teach him but as of right now he's getting his ill-intent shit back together. I can't wait to see round two between him and daredevil.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__ 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Exactly what came to mind for me.

[–]r2d_touche 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Kind of ruined the scene for me. I was like, wait this is just Jules.

[–]ste7enl 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Importantly, he doesn't know his role until that moment.

[–]CarterDavison 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I love that you see his gradual descent to understanding he's the villain. For so long, they set it up as he thinks he's the good guy and then this point he just.. Knows.. It finally clicks for him.

[–]Klashus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"You are the weak and i am the tyranny of evil men"

[–]Pattonesque 311 points312 points  (21 children)

D'Onofrio should play the Judge if they ever film "Blood Meridian"

[–]stormtrooper775 231 points232 points  (24 children)

He crushed it in this role.

[–]spangg 34 points35 points  (15 children)

His performance is good, but I was never sold on the physicality of the role. Sure, he’s large, but his punches have no weight behind them; he just moves his arms. Every time he landed a punch, I had a hard time believing that anyone would be seriously hurt by the blow. They really should have spent some time teaching him how to put his body weight behind a punch if they expected us to believe him to be a physical threat to Daredevil.

[–]GojiBelt 140 points141 points  (9 children)

D'Onofrio is such a crazy good actor. There's been quite a few roles I didn't realize it was him until the end credits.

[–]Justanothergamerwife 95 points96 points  (1 child)

Seriously. I was completely blindsided when I found out that this actor is the same guy who played the Bug in MiB.

"Sugar. In water."

I still can't get over it.

[–]DashFerLev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Later when J and K visit the wife, she offers them some lemonade and J takes a sip, makes a face, and puts it down.

Because Edgar ate all the sugar, so it was just slightly diluted lemon juice.

[–]kahmos 19 points20 points  (0 children)

He was Gomer Pile in Full Metal Jacket and he was the serial killer in The Cell, rwo favorites of mine.

[–]Oysterpoint 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I think he and Michael Shannon are completely underestimated as actors.

[–]rws531 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Michael Shannon has two Oscar nominations for best supporting actor, and played a fairly important role in this year’s Best Picture (The Shape of Water), so I wouldn’t really call him underestimated. He’s not a household name for most but he’s appreciated.

[–]EditingAndLayout 269 points270 points  (18 children)

Pretty good, but for me, I don't know if anything in the world of comics will ever top the monologue from Ozymandias at the end of Watchmen.

[–]IXI_Fans 302 points303 points  (8 children)

"...I did it 35 minutes ago."

One of the best 'fuck yous' to traditional storytelling.

[–]AsperaAstra 99 points100 points  (6 children)

That was the first time I ever realized that good guys don't have to win, and that changed my entire fucking world view.

[–]DatPiff916 17 points18 points  (3 children)

He kinda is the good guy though.

[–]JakalDX 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I mean, the whole comic is a deconstruction of the idea of "we're the good guys, they're the bad guys"

[–]josh8010 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's no accident that the tagline was "who watches the watchmen?"

[–]An_Unraped_Cat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's the moment the book really cemented itself for me

[–]drawspenisesonthings 43 points44 points  (0 children)

"I'm disappointed in you Adrian"

[–]ActionPatked 34 points35 points  (0 children)

While I too urge the masses to read the graphic novel Here is a albeit potato quality of the movie scene.

[–]cob59 127 points128 points  (27 children)

Funnily enough, most people don't know who Samaritans were at the time and why the fact he's from Samaria is important in this parabola parable. Jews and Samaritans were ennemies. Saying "a good Samaritan" at the time would sound nowadays like "a good Nazi" or something close.

So, in the same way that the meaning of Nimrod shifted because of Bugs Bunny cartoons, Samaritan now means "good doer" by default and the "good" seems almost redundant. Even for the people who wrote this scene.

[–]Burgundy995 59 points60 points  (21 children)

Maybe Nazi is the wrong analogy. Think more in terms of oppressed people group/race. For example if one is to put it in terms of the modern United States, “Good Muslim”. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with Muslims, but in much of the United States they are often oppressed due to racism. The parable was designed to shock Jesus’ audience which would have been Jewish religious leaders of the day into seeing their neighbor in broader terms. It poses the question: Can they really be my neighbor if they are so different from me? Jesus would say they are your neighbor and you are to love them as yourself.

[–]legeri 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Jesus would say what now?

[–]calmseahorse 3 points4 points  (5 children)

No, the other person had it right already. Nazi is a good comparison, because the point is that the Jews and Samaritans outright hated each other and warred for so many years that for a Jew to even acknowledge a Samaritan as being human was practically forbidden. The hatred was mutual, and not entirely unreasonable either.

Jesus's point was that even your most hated, evil-seeming enemies are people too and that we should judge no individual on the reputation of his group. By refusing to accept that this applies to nazis too, you're kind of missing the point. If you have to hate something, hate the ideology, not the individual.

[–]theJaidenMan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

TIL. Thanks

[–]velvetskilett 60 points61 points  (6 children)

What is your major malfunction numb nuts?

[–]Stinky_Pumbaa 20 points21 points  (5 children)

A jelly fucking donut!

[–]flyingboarofbeifong 14 points15 points  (4 children)

"Only sailors and faggots are called Lawrence!"

[–]theJaidenMan 10 points11 points  (3 children)

"Do you suck dick?"

[–]orbitalbombardment69 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose!

[–]Play_by_Play 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Now choke yourself!

[–]Lethalstorm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Goddamnit! With my hand, numbnuts!

[–]Muddygut 68 points69 points  (19 children)

Ok Im sold.. starting the series tonight..

[–]Frozen_Fire2478 91 points92 points  (11 children)

Season 1 is significantly better than season 2 but they’re both enjoyable

[–]DrMaxCoytus 53 points54 points  (8 children)

Agreed. People have rose colored glasses for season 2 because of how awesome Frank Castle was in it, but the last few episodes we not very good. The season as a whole though was still great.

[–]Burgundy995 31 points32 points  (0 children)

They just tried to do way to much at once trying to set up the defenders. They should have just stuck to Daredevil and The Punisher in season two. I like Electra, but she should have just got her own season.

[–]PaperyWhistle 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I accept season 2 as season 1 of punished and the new punisher series is season 2.

[–]Kjata1013 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It worth it. D’nofrio is amazing in my opinion and the whole series is great. Hope you like it as much as I did!

[–]A_WILD_CUNT_APPEARED 128 points129 points  (15 children)

You know this is neat but what we need is some retarded ninjas that name themselves after a body part lead by quite possibly the most incompetent group of villain ever.

[–]Lunoaduro 88 points89 points  (5 children)

I fail to see what Shredder and the Foot have to do with Daredevil, but god am I up for it.

[–]BigDamnHead 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The ninja turtles were created in the same accident that created Daredevil. The Foot are modeled on The Hand.

[–]scipio323 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As is Splinter after Stick.

[–]Lovelicks 20 points21 points  (2 children)

TMNT and Daredevil share their origin stories. The ooze that transforms the turtles is supposedly the same toxic chemical that blinded Daredevil as a kid. Eastman and Laird created the TMNT world to mirror Daredevil e.g. The Foot/The Hand, Master Splinter/Stick. Shredder has no counterpart. They just thought him up from a cheese grater.

Hopefully, I’m not responding to sarcasm and passed on a good nugget of information

[–]Chm_Albert_Wesker 13 points14 points  (5 children)

no joke. Daredevil hit it out of the park with Kingpin and then introducing Punisher but Elektra and the hand are so goddamn redundant and lame. 'oh we're generic bad guy ninja villains'. k.

[–]Genlsis 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yeah, that’s been a large part of why I like Jessica Jones. I’m not super into her being so damaged/negative all the time, but at least her villains are legit. Season one was amazing to me. Less so season two, but it was still better than this “hand” crap with immortals.

Also sometimes I can’t help but remember this all takes place in avenger New York... your telling me a secret immortal society is threatening to demolish the city (*cough Batman begins *cough) and NONE of the avengers have 20 minutes to spare to wreck them all? I can’t help but think: man, if Tony stark or even Spider-Man showed up for like, 5 minutes, these hand folks would have to change their name to handled.

Again why I liked Jessica Jones, no world threatening evil that would attract bigger enemies/heroes. Just “mundane” powered folks dealing with their own lives.

[–]joshi38 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's a testament to how fractured the TV world is to the MCU that in Civil War, when everyone's scrambling to find powered people to help them in the airport fight, Tony travels to NYC and rather than hit up people with super strength like Jessica Jones or someone as indestructable as Luke Cage, he goes for the 15 year old kid with sticky hands and ropes.

I'm not overly complaining about Spider-man being in Civil War, but realistically, recruiting a 15 year old into a superhero fight isn't very responsible.

[–]Genlsis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Although I feel that’s a fairly common occurrence in almost all comic character series’s. Even the comics themselves. Superman could show up and solve 99% of the world threatening issues faced by other characters... but then other heroes wouldn’t have anything to do.

Edit: I know Superman isn’t in this universe but you get my point... :-)

[–]TheKingCrimsonWorld 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The... Hand Clan!

[–]Lost_in_costco 30 points31 points  (3 children)

If you think this is great for villian speeches, watch Godless on netflix. Jeff Daniels does great villian speeches.

[–]socialzero 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I second this. Jeff Daniels absolutely killed it in Godless!

[–]tharkus_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I really loved that show from beginning to end.

[–]jaybrese 16 points17 points  (1 child)

He was such an amazing character and season 1 was so great.

Then they replaced him with a thousand generic ninjas. Nice.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It pays off with some dude wearing a jacket with a skull printed on it.

[–]spendouk23 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Out of all the things that Daredevil got right, casting D’onfrio and Jon Bernthal were probably the best.

[–]Jerg 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Reminds me of Samuel L Jackson's monologue at the end of Pulp Fiction, about the Shepherd and the evil men.

[–]coderacer 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Exactly what I was thinking! And it's pretty much dead on, except the very last line:

“Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. .45 here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin, Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.

[–]PraetorArtanis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Likely an unpopular opinion, but the trend of directing your actors to perform these gruff voices has been grating on me for years now. Nothing to do with the actor and his portrayal, just the trend that bugs me to no end.

[–]KelcyHammer 29 points30 points  (4 children)

This was edited in a similar manor to free porn is now. Cuts off just as its about to get good.

[–]Commando388 22 points23 points  (3 children)

you're looking for porn in all the wrong places buddy.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (19 children)

Honestly it's been all downhill since DareDevil season 1. I hope Netflix picks it up.

[–]Tinywampa 43 points44 points  (11 children)

Season 2 with Punisher was better I think, but once it was Elektras turn I tuned out.

[–]Porrick 58 points59 points  (5 children)

The problem with many of the Marvel Netflix shows is that The Hand are stupid and cliche and stupid and badly-written and stupid. Any scene they are in is stupid, and the more they feature in any given storyline, the more stupid that storyline becomes.

This is why The Iron Fist would have been stupid even if they'd found a lead actor who wasn't made entirely of wood, and it's also why The Defenders was far less entertaining than it should have been.

I actually thought the actress who played Elektra did a pretty good job with what she was given - but all the story lines she appeared in were so stupid that it made no difference.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I agree Punisher half was amazing. Electra, not so much..

[–]Wolversteve 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I liked Elektra when she was just a bad ass. It was fun watching her straight up kill people while daredevil was doing his best not too. The whole black sky thing was dumb though.

[–]blueknightguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Video following on from where this one left off: https://youtu.be/91PjibeDP9s

[–]Kelric24 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Seven six two millimeters, full-metal jacket

[–]ilovebutts01 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm partial to Phillip Price's speech from Mr. Robot: