I had no clue about the book before watching so I really thought after the first episode that it would be way more sci-fi with jake resetting the timeline over and over again. Him becoming insane slowly, replaying the same stuff over when over. I expected to see a lot of key reference scenes like when Sadie drives past with the music when he first enters to help us figure out where he had lived too in this timeline.
The show was still pretty good but I feel like there is some serious plot holes, the main one being why didn’t he just killed Oswald go back to the present and see what happened? If it’s no good or jfk still dies just reset the timeline. I guess I wasn’t prepared for a love story when I thought it was going to be way more of a thriller/mind fuck.
I realise they were just staying true to the book though for the most part, but yeh just a little disappointed as I feel there is a really awesome tv series still here waiting to happen.
Does the book go into more detail about what happened and how? Did Kennedy create those camps for evil purposes or did George Wallace ruin everything? That conversation really annoyed me because he didn't just ask what happened.
In the book he mentions Jodie being about 20 miles from Round Hill TX and about 3 hours from Dallas. That would be around La Grange, which is about 20 miles from Round Top Texas and about 3 hours from Dallas. Based on the scenery and the town itself I would say it's a good chance it could have been, at least in part, the inspiration for Jodie.
In the series, when Sadie shows up at Jake's with the casserole and finds the tapes in the basement there is a shadowy figure wearing a hat in the house. Who is that? I assumed it was the time loop bum, but that doesn't seem logical.
Ok so I just watched the entire series straight through pretty much without stopping.
Well now I am done and am sitting here thinking, and you know what popped into my mind?
When James was hurt with the head injury, and laying on the couch sick and confused for days on end, those were the last moments, the last normal days and moments and experiences he and Sadie would ever have together.
Now if you go down the what if rabbit hole for a second. Since the whole plot to stop Oswald turned out to be a bad result for the world. If they had done like James said in the car the day of the shooting, "what if we don't, let's just go live our lives". Then technically they could have both lived out and not died!
The shows crazy "you do not belong here" bum (adaptation of the yellow card men) continually told him that he can't change it, she dies no matter what you do. Would technically not be correct, because the bum was in a time falling loophole where he was attempting to save someone from dying by going back in time, his original "present" always looped back into the fact that his daughter would die no matter what he did since she died in the one true correct "present time"
However when we see the present and see that Sadie is healthy and alive at 80 years old, if he could have just stayed in that moment, and not tried changing the big things in he past, then the past wouldn't have fought back and caused her to die. Giving them a whole long happy life together!
Which is what he was trying to do in the show, until bum man convinced him she would die no matter what, just because his daughter dies no matter what. But that's changing what the natural world did not intend. And it clearly intended on Sadie living, but the past just fought back in the show causing her to die in the school book building.
Ok. Way to much rambling.
TLDR JAMES AND SADIE SHOULD HAVE JUST PEACED OUT AND MOVED TO CANADA.
I recently got around to watching the series 11.22.63, which was two sleepless nights well spent!
Overall, the show blew me away, but just after watching the last episode, a friend and fellow binge-watcher turned to me and asked what seemed to be an innocent question: what happened to Jake's phone?
I paused to answer, when it dawned on me. I had no idea. Jake originally throws his phone into a lake, where it presumably stays until present-day. But then Jake goes back and resets the timeline so that it goes back to how it was just before his first entry.
So where's his phone? It's not in the lake anymore, just like the carving of his initials is no longer on the tree outside his diner. It can't be in his pocket. It was made clear by the clothes Jake wore when leaving the past, and by Al's burns, that when you go in and reset the past, everything changes except your body and anything you happen to have on you. So it would be too much a stretch to assume that the phone pops back into Jake's pocket.
So...maybe his appartment? Suggests my tired buddy (this thought experiment went on longer than it should have). That won't do either, because resetting the timeline brings everything back to how it was just before Jake enters the first time.
By this point my buddy was desperate and threw a hail-mary into the air: the phone went the way of the langoliers! Meaning that it was erased from the past, similarly to events in Stephen King's other thriller the langoliers, except in this case, instead of a full overwriting of all the past, only that which doesn't fit with the original timeline is wiped out of existence.
We had finally come to a conclusion of a very long (and probably pointless) use of two hours of our night. My buddy, content with our achievements, went off somewhere, but I couldn't get over the enormity of this. I started to brainstorm, and things went to dark places. What if Jake took his beloved labrador, Spence, with him, forgot his dog in a park in 1960, and returned to the present? (assuming more than one living being can go through at once...and that someone could have the NERVE to forget Spence) If Jake went back in and reset the timeline, Spence would be gone! Poof, deleted from existence.
And it doesn't end there! What if Jake discovers a hidden bloodlust that drives him to murder - he's proven multiple times that he has it in him - then all he'd need to do is drag the corpse into the past, talk his way past the locals, who would doubtless have questions about the stranger with the overloaded duffle bag, walk back out, and finally walk back in to reset the timeline and make use of time's nifty disposal system. It would be the perfect crime! ( not taking into account modern forensics, cctv footage, possible eye witnesses, and good detective work in general). The possibilities are endless. Granted, my thought experiment went a little dark, but it's clear that pleople can play with the rules. Take Al, for instance. He's been going to the past to take meat from animals that died 50 years ago, presumably from the same butcher, and possibly even the same cuts of meats, which would mean Jake and all the other unsuspecting customers in Al's diner will have been feasting on the same poor animal for years!
At this point I realised it was 2 am and this was as far as I was going to go with this. I have to read the books!
I finished the book yesterday. Holy fuck. I sat the whole day thinking about it and every-time I did I got more sad. I listened to In the Mood and that made it worse. I reread parts of the book including the ending and that didn’t help. I also watched the ending to the show and I cried my damn eyes out. I have never been this emotionally invested in a book and holy molly I am drained. I might watch the show later but I can’t go through it again right now. I knew I was invested when I was laughing at jokes and fearful at parts. Now I am just sad. I am putting the book somewhere I don’t have to look at it so maybe I can forget. I just want to know if others experienced this sadness from the book and how they dealt with it. Please help me.
I know this is quite irrelevant to this sub but having finished the book recently, and seeing these "president", "suicide", "murder", "prevented" keywords in a title, this book popped into my mind and wanted to share it with you.
I apologize if I violate any rule of this subreddit.
This subreddit is dedicated to the Hulu Original series 11.22.63 based off of the novel, 11/22/63 by Stephen King. The series is executive produced by J.J. Abrams, Stephen King, Bridget Carpenter and Bryan Burk, and it will star James Franco. A teacher (Franco) is presented with the chance to travel back in time to 1960 and attempts to prevent the assassination of JFK, and becomes attached to the life he makes in the past.