Season 1 Episode 8: Come to Jesus
Aired: June 18th, 2017
Synopsis: On the eve of war, Mr. Wednesday attempts to recruit the Old God Ostara, but needs Mr. Nancy's help in making a good impression and winning her over.
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Hear me out. It has transpired with the last drama around S2 that Gaiman wasn't happy at all with the direction Fuller was taking the series. And I do remember hearing (back then, when S1 was airing) how excited and happy he was to work with Fuller and Starz. What gives? I get you play nice and don't trash your co-workers while in a project but seems like a 180 to me. For once S1 has been one of the most faithful book adaptations I'd seen on TV (I say this, not taking in account the new content)
So I ask fellow redditors; does anyone knows exactly what Gaiman was upset about S1 rendering of the book? Could it be the extra-new content that he wasn't happy about? (Vulcan, the extra focusing on Laura (ugh), and other female characters?) Any idea?
I'm going into an analysis of her personality, and I remember someone somewhere saying that a lot of her actions and impulsivity indicates that perhaps she has/had a borderline personality disorder. Emily Browning who plays Laura Moon in the series had said that before Shadow, Laura was a person who was kind of "smashing her head into a wall just trying to feel something" and well, since I'm writing an essay I'd like to get some feedback and discussion in about this because I like discussing stuff.
Personification of distrust in "the system",
Capitalism, corruption and perhaps Globalization.
He's the men in black SUVs that know what you had for breakfast 7 years ago, the rich CEO with sweatshops in southeast Asia, and the corrupt politicians selling out the people.
He's "the man", he's what people use tinfoil hats to block out.
Since he was getting a steady stream of worship from the love of guns, and sacrifices (at the foundery and people getting shot). Was Vulcan becoming one of the American Gods? He literally said he "franchised" his faith; which sounds a lot li ke what they'd call it. And in America, he wouldn't have any trouble finding millions of worshipers.
So, was he becoming a new god, one already, or just Vulcan taking the same deal they offered Wednesday?
So there's a lot of Jesus going around, with the same name. However there's also Wednesday, with more names than, at least I, can remember. I haven't read the books nor rewatched the show, but if anybody can explain this or give me a little insight that'd be great. Thanks in advance :)
P.s. I'm new here. Just watched the first and only season and can't wait for the next one.
And for the first time ever when Wednesday and Shadow were in the tailor shop with anaasi and he says to Wednesday "Who do you think you are? The god father?" And anaasis reply "Who the fuck did you think he is?" I laughed really hard. I cannot believe I missed it the first time.
I can't find anyone else mentioning this anywhere, but I've been re-watching the Blu-Rays, and when Shadow and Sweeny are fighting, there is a scene where Wednesday spins the coin Sweeny left on the table in a slow motion close up. At first it has one set of head and tail images, then they cut away for a moment, and cut back and there is a different set of head and tail designs. Looks like Wednesday is the one who switched the coin to the lucky coin. I don't think that was in the book, but it seems like a sufficiently sneaky thing for Wednesday to do.
So, in Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari, he defines religion as the belief in a superhuman order that governs human social behavior. This includes theistic religions, like Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism, but also non theistic beliefs, like Buddhism. He then concludes that modern ideologies, like capitalism, fascism, and feminism, are secular religions, as they all rely on a superhuman order that governs people’s behavior.
He then describe one such secular religion, humanism, as three different philosophies.
Liberal Humanism: where humans have an individual spark that grants them a unique will, and constricting that will is a sin.
Social Humanism: where humans are of one community and are all fundamentally equal, and creating inequality between humans is a sin.
Evolutionary Humanism: where humans are mutable and can evolve into superhuman or devolve into subhumans, and weakening the genetic pool of humans is a sin.
Considering many wars were fought over each of these ideas, and most modern politics is based on these, couldn’t Humanism, or even all three versions, be a god(s), in the same way technology and media became gods?
Spoilers, obviously. But, anyway, was that Thor on Naglfar, or somebody else? The way he's described (tall, red-bearded, hammer on his side) does hint to this, but Gaiman doesn't confirm it. Might be Mad Sweeney (since he's tall and iirc he has a beard in the novel too), although why he has a hammer is beyond me.
Media's comment that they worried about an invasion by little green men and now an invasion fleet is in the sky made me wonder.
If belief is enough to make the mythological real would it also work on fictional characters? Pretty sure they are not "gods" so if the believe alone was enough to make fictional aliens solid that sounds like Pandora's box made real.
Just how many different variations of Santa Clause alone are out there, is it just the nice ones? Would also assume that Luke Skywalker and likely a host of other characters would also be made real. That's just the most obvious two in my opinion the list would be massive. Anyone care to speculate who else would likely have been made real if the world worked this way?
Think about all those teenagers watching a horror movie for the first time and then not able to sleep as they are worried the movie monster is going to appear. In the American Gods universe I can only imagine the amount of teens slaughtered in the 80's by a Freddy or Jason they just made appear.
What about little kids they certainly believe so just how strong were the Teletubbies and Barney the Dinosaur at the height of their power for example. I suppose it could be that none of these characters would have any power at all with it all going to media but for some reason I don't see it working that way.
When the sequel is published I really hope Mr Gaiman explores this aspect of the story a little more.
Or like just Mr. Nancy mentioning his American incarnation, “I got an incarnation of myself in the south, he’s a little rabbit.” It would’ve been kind of cool.
I started this show with low expectations. I tried to read the book once, but I was like 14 and found it to be a bit too much to digest. A coworker of mine recommended the show to me and I thought hey, why not give it a whirl?!
It’s. So. Good. The artistic way its shot, it’s just so rich and indulgent. Journeying with Shadow and being (almost) as clueless as he was was a thrilling ride. The flashbacks to the Old Gods, showing what players they were, the introduction of the New Gods, the witty dialogue, “think of snow”, I just love it all.
One thing that stuck out to me the most, though, was the character of Laura Moon. What an absolute badass. I honestly looked forward to her scenes every single time, cheering inside whenever she was on screen. My absolute fave episode was the Laura-centric flashback. Meeting Death and going “who the fuck are you?!”. What a hun.
Emily Browning knocks it out the park playing her. It took me longer than it should have to realise it was her playing the Irish lady in the flashbacks. She’s so talented.
Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Just finished the show and needed to vent my thoughts and feelings, and see if there were any other ice-cream truck-lifting, swearing-at-Gods, badass Laura Moon fans.
It doesn't seem to be on the OST. I've been looking for that background music (it plays when they first introduce him in EP5) since FOREVER. It creeped me the fuck out and I've been rewatching that scene on YT just to hear the music.