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[–]Patches67 7147 points7148 points  (222 children)

Literally everyone in 1964 Rankin and Bass Rudolph The Rednosed Reindeer is an asshole. Especially Santa, he's the biggest asshole in the lot.

[–]WanderingSwampBeast 4104 points4105 points  (67 children)

Yukon is the only paragon in the story. He takes in two societal outcasts, puts his own quest for riches to the side to help others, and helped integrate the Abominable fucking Snowman into society.

[–]BouquetofDicks 914 points915 points  (24 children)

slurpsmackslurpsmack

NUTHIN

[–]HansumJack 352 points353 points  (21 children)

In the script he was mining for peppermint. That's why he needed to taste for it. Don't know why they changed it.

[–]knobunc 125 points126 points  (14 children)

In the earlier versions they have that scene. It was cut in later years to accommodate more ads.

[–]HansumJack 82 points83 points  (13 children)

But that doesn't make sense. He still licks his axe all the time, and it doesn't save time changing the dialogue from peppermint to gold.

[–]StumpyAlex 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I always just thought he was MEANT to be a weirdo who tries to taste silver and gold. Made him fit in with the other misfits.

[–]headmonsterr 270 points271 points  (4 children)

I love Yukon! When my daughter was little she called him 'coupon'. Cracks me up still. Bumbles bounce.

[–]corbaybay 886 points887 points  (13 children)

Someone had up on r/showerthoughts around Christmas that if Santa sees you when your sleep and when your awake and knows if you've been bad or good then he definitely knew Rudolph was being bullied and didn't do shit about it.

[–]The0Alchemist 75 points76 points  (5 children)

I'm fairly certain Santa's voyeuristic tendencies only apply to human children.

[–]spamelove 884 points885 points  (35 children)

I came here to say this. Santa complains, is all judgy about the red nose and generally is pretty unlikable all the way up to the end.

[–]DSOddish 656 points657 points  (21 children)

Even at the end, Santa only begins to lay off Rudolph because it benefits him personally.

[–][deleted] 725 points726 points  (16 children)

The theme of Rudolph: Deviation from the norm will be punished unless it can be exploited for personal benefit.

[–]SeamlessR 124 points125 points  (2 children)

I think the "nice" version of that moral is "even the most ridiculous deformity might have some practical value. so maybe your life isn't over".

But it is still also that thing you said.

[–]thebotswanafiles 527 points528 points  (11 children)

Even the reason they accept him. Oh, we NEED you, so of course we love you! But if it wasn't for your shiny red nose you'd still be the piece of shit outcast runt of the litter trampled on by vixen and dasher and dancer and prancer and fuckface

[–]angelgem913 15.3k points15.3k points  (353 children)

Thomas the Tank Engine.

Never realised as a kid, but now I'm a dad and I've had to sit through all the episodes, just about everyone is about a situation arising from Thomas being an entitled douchebag.

[–]braxistExtremist 4464 points4465 points  (229 children)

Depends. In the original Thomas shows they were all like that. In the newer animated show and movies a lot of the characters aren't as bad - they are just annoying and needy.

Also, the Fat Controller/Sir Toppam Hat is grossly negligent and incompetent at running the railway.

[–]Rhysieroni 211 points212 points  (28 children)

Ew they animate the new shows

[–]gopeepants 5716 points5717 points  (354 children)

An ex made me watch the Gilmore Girls revival and I for the life of me could not figure out why Rory Gilmore was such a beloved character.

[–]NaMaMe 1163 points1164 points  (45 children)

I actually liked how the show portraited that she was kind of spoiled. She worked hard and was generally nice but she was also the princess of everyone. And when for once in her life someone told her he didn't think she had what it takes to pursue her dreams she fucking lost it; steals a boat, quits school doesn't speak to her mom in a year, goes from party to party. And at some point at the beginning of all that Lorelai even says that Rory always had it easy and that this now was a challenge for once and she can't just go ahead and give up just because she's challenged.

I liked that. Because while I get that Rory is a likable character, she is also spoiled as fuck. Maybe not financially (although from the beginning of the show she is also that a bit), but she has a whole town to her feet a mother who does everything in her power to support her daughter and doesn't really know how it feels to struggle. The way she collapses once she has to is great (even though I didn't like the storyline of that season)

[–]The_Puzzle_Maker 1321 points1322 points  (46 children)

Yeah she didn't come off well in the revival. I know most people hated season seven but I thought her ending there was much better. Granted I could get behind 'the last four words' ending if it had happened when it was intended and not a decade later.

[–]SqueegeBeckenheim 618 points619 points  (35 children)

The biggest problem with the revival was that ASP never watched the original ending. Not only that, she never watched S7 at all because she wasn't part of it and just didn't care. I understand to a degree, but if you're going to bring back a show, even for a few episodes, you need to know how it originally ended and what led up to it.

[–]The_Puzzle_Maker 192 points193 points  (6 children)

Yeah it was kind of messed up for her to do it that way. If she didn't want to watch it someone could've given her a summary of what happened.

[–]SqueegeBeckenheim 100 points101 points  (2 children)

To be honest, even if she "secretly" watched the 7th season, I don't think she'd have changed a thing in the revival. Have you read some of her interviews? Check this one out. I don't know if it truly matters, but honestly I think she wanted what she wanted, to hell if it ruins her beloved characters or not.

[–]Reverencium 924 points925 points  (83 children)

She’s actually a real great person in the original show who kinda slowly morphs into revival Rory over the course of the last few seasons.

She’s the Walter White of Gilmore Girls.

[–]craig1818 755 points756 points  (39 children)

Yes! I never understood why people couldn’t believe she acted the way that she did in the revival. Once Rory started college she began to develop into a pretty shitty person and how she acted in the revival seemed to have fit that.

[–]Bikinigirlout 636 points637 points  (33 children)

She practically quit Yale after one person told her she wasn’t good enough and lived with her grandparents after her mother yelled at her for dropping out.

Then in the revival she turned down the offer to teach at Chilton because she thought she was better than that.

[–]Silverburn 267 points268 points  (24 children)

This is just me, but I kinda felt everything went slowly wrong for her after she chose Yale over Harvard. It was supposed to be big deal for her, core of her dreams and, well, her self. When she let go of that (quite easily), I felt like the character had some how made that one big mistake that started series of wrong decisions.

[–]TashanValiant 361 points362 points  (14 children)

She is a reflection of her mom. Rory’s issue and problems in life are similar to Lorelei. Sure she didn’t have a kid at 16 but a lot of Lorelei’s problem were unrelated to Rory or persisted even though she was supposed to grow up.

That’s what I think the point of the show is. Emily trying to make Lorelei into a better her and failing. Lorelei trying to make Rory into a better her and failing. They aren’t complete failures. Just that they are so focused on negating certain aspects of an upbringing they completely neglect the parts that may have worked.

It’s a cycle. Which the revival obviously hints at at the very end.

[–]strychninesweet 150 points151 points  (5 children)

I am saddened I had to scroll this far down to get the "right" answer. Lorelai ran away from the glitz and privilege of the Gilmore household only to raise a daughter who thrived in it. Lorelai wanted her daughter to have a different life, a better life, she was supposed to have Harvard and become an ambitious Christiane Amampour-like journalist, be independent but Rory, for all those efforts, that costly education Lorelai never had, the supportive cocoon of Stars Hollow, ended up as a failed journalist, too lazy to actually write, unimaginative 5o the point that any good idea she has had to be whispered in her ears by Jess, living off her trust fund and being the Other Woman of the Huntzberger heir - and pregnant out of wedlock! Logan was her Christopher, Jess was her Luke ; a cycle indeed.

I took it as a lesson that no matter how hard you can try to raise your kid according to your ideals, in the end, they will do what they want to do. The "Emily" way, constricting, stiffling didn't work and the "Lorelai" way, cool Mom, free spirited, doesn't work either. Mrs Kim and Lane are another example of that.

I feel like the revival would've worked better in 2007 obviously; it is ridiculous for Rory to do these things when she is well into her 30s. I understand prefering the s7 ending: the characters have all matured, Logan went from an ass to a responsible hard-working man, Rory got her first big disappointment with the rejection from the fellowship realizing she wasn't the golden girl everyone around her had led her to believe but she starts her career in a good place, Lorelai finally gets closure with Chris... it is the expected happy ending. But I also enjoy this more sinister ending from the revival, which is I believed what Amy Sherman Palladino had always intended and left clues for in the original series.

[–]AwesomeName7 2344 points2345 points  (87 children)

I don't know about beloved, but Greg Heffley was an idol in 1st-5th grade, who I realized in 6th how awful he is

[–]TheForlornGamer 859 points860 points  (21 children)

Yeah, now that I think about it, I loved reading Diary of a Wimpy Kid when I was in Elementary School. Now whenever I look back at the book, I just can't seem to have the same experience I had as a child because of how much of a selfish piece of shit Greg actually is.

Hell, I even feel sorry for Rowley considering Greg only really befriended him because he (Rowley) was having a hard time fitting in after having just moved into his neighborhood. The way the first book ends doesn't make it any better, either:

If he gets a little too carried away, I'll be the guy to remind him that he ate the _ _ _ _ _ _ (Cheese).

What an insufferable asswipe.

[–]Vardoj 769 points770 points  (12 children)

My 8yo got the last 3 books for xmas to complete the collection, and we've read almost all of the series now. I make a point of explaining why Greg is a dick when those moments come up. I kind of assume the books end up showing how his self-centeredness affects him, but since my wife and I switch reading duty every other night I generally miss half the story so I'm never quite sure if he gets his comeuppance.

The title should've been "Diary of a Tween That Never Developed Theory of Mind"

[–]sunmachinecomingdown 384 points385 points  (7 children)

As someone who read the first few books, generally he is responsible for the embarrassing situations he gets himself into, so that's a consequence. But he doesn't really learn anything, which is why he ends up in the same sort of shit each school year.

[–]FreeDobby2k18 145 points146 points  (0 children)

This is accurate, but the fact that he doesn't learn and keeps doing dumb things makes the series really funny. This is a good thing because I know a lot of kids who didn't like reading until they read doawk.

[–]Oobidanoobi[🍰] 604 points605 points  (1 child)

I love this quote from the author:

I think Greg's his own worst enemy. He's not a bad kid per se, just a kid who's documenting his life at an awkward age. I've always had it in mind that Rowley grows up to be happy and successful, and Greg is left in his wake. So he'll get his comeuppance, just not now.

[–]swimmerboy29 337 points338 points  (0 children)

I remember in the books, Rowley kind of already does that, on a few occasions accidentally becoming popular while Greg, despite how hard he tries, only falls farther and farther down the social ladder. Like I remember when he breaks his arm playing that bike game, EVERYONE wants to sign his cast. Greg first tries faking a skin infection and walks around with a clipboard for people to sign. Then he says fuck it and decides telling people he’s the one who broke his arm and instead of people thinking he’s badass they (rightfully so) tell him what a dick move that was.

[–]Imperium_Dragon 271 points272 points  (1 child)

Reread some of the books, and man he is a self centered jerk. Yeah I know he was supposed to change and the story was supposed to have a moral, but he was still a self centered douche in each book.

[–]Jackwolf1286 182 points183 points  (0 children)

I actually think it's genius that Greg doesn't change. Often characters like that will change in order to teach morals, with the most common ones in Diary of a Wimpy Kid being "Be yourself" and "Don't worry what others think". However the books instead use the characters and events around Greg to convey those messages, not Greg himself. You can see this when Rowley, a character completely unconcerned with popularity and being someone he's not, receives a far friendlier and more personal message from Holly in his year book, whereas Greg gets a pretty lackluster one.

If Greg Heffely were to change, he'd lose the sharp edge that makes him Greg. He's the voice for so many of us going through that weird phase of life and I think his cynicism and contributes to his appeal and relatability. It let's us indulge ourselves a little, whilst also indirectly teaching us a good lesson. A nice Greg would be a boring Greg.

[–]falloutnewsalem 42 points43 points  (4 children)

this video is worth watching on the subject.

the dark truth behind diary of a wimpy kid: https://youtu.be/cIFmnn47OoM

[–]ughlikeew 4365 points4366 points  (208 children)

Peppa pig is a bully

[–]totallynotinhaaale 3331 points3332 points  (148 children)

She treats George like shit. Also this

[–]RumuLovesYou 2853 points2854 points  (89 children)

I love the timing on her hanging up. Like seriously, for a kid’s show, that is 9/10 perfect.

[–]kyleboddy 1075 points1076 points  (41 children)

All this clip made me want to do is watch this show. That shit was hilarious.

[–]Grave_Girl 235 points236 points  (22 children)

It's one of few little kids' shows that didn't make me want to hide in the cupboard until my children moved on. Not as good as Peep and the Big, Wide World, but funny.

[–]Th3rdRaven 461 points462 points  (25 children)

As parents of a young girl, we’ve seen a lot of Pepper Pig, and a lot of it is legitimately funny. Ben and Holly’s Little Kingdom (which is made by the same people) is even better.

[–]jr_cameron 601 points602 points  (3 children)

The look on her face! Perfect animation for this scene, laughed pretty hard.

[–]Spudnik-1 564 points565 points  (1 child)

Not gonna lie, I laughed.

[–]40inmyfordfiesta 499 points500 points  (0 children)

That was legitimately funny

[–]Miss_Musket 11.9k points11.9k points  (290 children)

Peter Pan. He was an absolute dick. He specifically targeted and tormented Captain Hook, who was a pretty tragic character in his own right.

Imagine - you're a middle aged, intelligent professor, and you suddenly find yourself in a strange world that is entirely populated by children and slow adults with the minds of children. All you want is adult conversation, normalcy; your old life back. And one child in particular has taken it upon themselves to gather up a gang, and to spend every waking hour coming up with ways to piss you off.

In the end of the book, Hook is practically driven insane by the constant harrassment. The whole scenario is practically a toned down 'Lord of the Flies' with a downtrodden adult thrown into the mix.

[–]MrsBox 5374 points5375 points  (68 children)

It's because Peter isn't the hero of the story, Wendy is.

Hook is the representation of life without childlike wonder, with only rigid, strict adherence to the rules. Peter is the person who won't grow up and take responsibilities on board, shunning work and rules for play.

Wendy is the mix of both. She takes responsibility for the children, all of them, not just her siblings, but she's also got the childlike wonderment to allow her to fly with Pan and Tink unquestioningly. She's the ideal.

[–]JInxIt 1074 points1075 points  (43 children)

I heard that in Neverland you can choose to grow up and that Captain Hook and his crew were among the first children Peter kidnapped.

At some point, Hook wanted to grow up and Peter didn't like that and some rebellious civil wat broke out with the Lost boys.

I have no idea if any of that is true but a friend was telling me it and I thought it would make a pretty awesome prequel and would explain elements like why the adults in are pretty childish.

[–]TurquoiseYoshi 3051 points3052 points  (30 children)

Fun Fact: Lord of the Flies and the original play of Peter Pan were based off of a novel named The Coral Island. So yes, the connection is there.

[–]sonofaresiii 722 points723 points  (30 children)

I've been reading the book and they flat out say he's a jerk, it's part of his character. He's very selfish and forgets the promises he's made and even the people he's with. Like straight up Jon says something and he's like oh you're still here? Who are you again?

[–]rachface5and3 365 points366 points  (24 children)

Yeah I don’t think he was ever portrayed as a nice or kind character. Dude was a dick to the lost boys and everyone around him the entire time. I still have always loved all the retellings of Peter Pan. But he’s psychotic in the original

[–]PresidentDonaldChump 163 points164 points  (18 children)

I think most people are remembering the disney version of peter pan where there's a lot less dick going around in neverland

[–]Fattydog 1086 points1087 points  (63 children)

Absolutely agree. I’d love to see a film from Hook’s perspective. Peter is a complete psycho.

[–][deleted] 1007 points1008 points  (30 children)

I know it's not a film, but there's a book that is from Hook's perspective. It's called "Hook's Tale: Being the Account of an Unjustly Villainized Pirate Written by Himself"

[–]IXI_Fans 371 points372 points  (17 children)

I'm a big fan of Brom's version of Pan in the novel 'The Child Thief'. It's a realistic look at what Peter Pan is doing with the children in modern times.

[–]SkipperMcNuts 63 points64 points  (6 children)

Everyone should read this. It is nuts and brutal and soooo hard to put down until it's finished.

[–]jesuschristdotcom 9139 points9140 points  (122 children)

Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka. This lazy fuck can't help out around the house and stays in his piss soaked bed for YEARS leaving poor Charlie's mom to do everything. Then the second Charlie comes home with the golden ticket, he gets up and DANCES A JIG! And then when they're at the factory, this miserable piece of human garbage convinces Charlie to steal fizzy lifting drink, and almost ruins his chance to inherit the factory. What a fuckface.

[–]Mistah-Jay 2701 points2702 points  (36 children)

I hated him so fucking much. What a piece of crap, and Charlie was a jerk, too. He invited his lazy grandad to the factory rather than his extremely hardworking mother who deserved a break.

[–]so_that_other_one 1202 points1203 points  (11 children)

He's also an enabler, giving Grandpa Joe money for tobacco. It's ok grandpa, you deserve it. NO HE DOESN'T!

Although, maybe he was trying to kill him quicker.

[–][deleted] 993 points994 points  (9 children)

Which also implies that Grandpa Joe was smoking in that tiny, wet, mildewy, moldy, TB infested 2 room shack, in bed next to 3 other elderly adults, and a child.

That's a cock move.

[–]RedTrailWildcat 1795 points1796 points  (18 children)

/r/grandpajoehate

Sorry I’m on mobile, I hope the link works!

[–]DrumlineKid 696 points697 points  (5 children)

Greg Heffley is a pretentious dick to his "bff" Rowley and is constantly embarrassed by his own actions, which he never learns from..

[–]khang06 5053 points5054 points  (165 children)

jerry from tom and jerry

edit: i underestimated how much discussion can come out of tom and jerry

[–]SynchronicExplorer 3143 points3144 points  (44 children)

Jerry was a cunt. He even sent tom to hell in one episode.

[–]jimicus 1423 points1424 points  (35 children)

If you're referring to "Heavenly Puss", Jerry did eventually relent and sign the certificate of forgiveness.

Unfortunately he signed it a little too late.

[–]D_K_Schrute 1914 points1915 points  (22 children)

That does not sound like a great cartoon title

[–]rocketparrotlet 497 points498 points  (4 children)

I guess that just depends on the kind of cartoons you're into...

[–]Gadetron 821 points822 points  (3 children)

Fuck that little mouse, arrogant little prick...

[–]Percy024 3578 points3579 points  (127 children)

Willy Wonka from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Pretty sure he was a serial killer in disguise.

[–]DSdavidDS 1389 points1390 points  (62 children)

Have you read Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator? Wonka does some crazy stuff like going into space and age regression.

[–]TheLuckySpades 709 points710 points  (29 children)

And making a character so young she becomes "unborn" or some shit and to get her back they make her so old she was one of the pilgrims.

[–]JuanFran21 360 points361 points  (17 children)

Just a glance into the insane mind of Roald Dahl. What a legend.

[–]Konguy 87 points88 points  (6 children)

Tbf I think he did warn them but those greedy grandparents took way too many pills and so they had to descend into basically the spirit world to catch her iirc

Also on an unrelated note, those oval shaped things with eyes and no mouth that could morph scared the living shit out of me as a kid

[–]behindtimes 946 points947 points  (14 children)

In disguise? Saw is pretty much the more 'R' rated version of Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.

[–]ezekiellake 449 points450 points  (4 children)

I like to think that Charlie Bucket actually escaped a factory that was serial killer Willy Wonka’s Saw like death trap, and the colourful chocolate factory is just the escapist fantasy Charlie created post-escape after he’s had a complete psychological breakdown.

[–]famalamo 152 points153 points  (0 children)

I think it's better that it's an actual candy company that's sold in every store around the world, so every time Charlie enters a corner store he has to relive the nightmare of his childhood.

[–]1mm0rtanJ0e 6187 points6188 points  (188 children)

Caillou. Does the kid ever stop whining?

[–][deleted] 1519 points1520 points  (63 children)

I never understood why kids' shows about other kids doing pretty much the same things that kids in real life are successful at all. As a kid, watching a show about a kid whining and crying and doing stuff around the house with his mom would be boring. The reason I liked the shows I watched were because they were adventurous and fun. Even some shows about "real life" were better than Caillou. Arthur was at least funny and dealt with some real life issues.

Edit: I was not in any way saying that Arthur isn't a good show. I worded that wrong. What I meant to say was that some kids' shows, such as Arthur, which do show people going through real-life situations can be very successful. The show still holds up greatly today and is still enjoyable to watch for adults.

[–]Yankeeknickfan 810 points811 points  (24 children)

I TOLD YOU, NOT TO, TOUCH IT!

[–]Stevey854[🍰] 562 points563 points  (20 children)

seriously tho, DW is the fucking worst

[–]TL10 126 points127 points  (12 children)

Don't forget the fact she misinformed a bunch of impressionable kids into believing psudeo-science.

[–]zinco96 54 points55 points  (7 children)

On a side note its weird (and also really funny) how arthur had various references to beavis & butthead and even did a parody of south park once.

[–]Not-so-rare-pepe 3912 points3913 points  (42 children)

Caillou can't grow hair, not because he has cancer or progeria, but because he sucks, and even his own body recognizes that he does not deserve hair or food or love.

[–]RazorRush 1352 points1353 points  (25 children)

Santa. Tolerated Rudolph being bullied and excluded by the older reindeer. Has world wide child surveillance network. Gives more to rich kids. Works one day a year. Is obese smoker.

[–]diveonln 2191 points2192 points  (157 children)

I don't know how 'beloved' people think they are, but just about everyone in recent family guy is an asshole, especially Brian. They aren't just idiots anymore, they are assholes

[–]Ryuzaki3421 3302 points3303 points  (203 children)

Everyone in How I met your Mother except Marshall

[–]IminPeru 1454 points1455 points  (52 children)

The mother was perfect

[–]Kylynara 658 points659 points  (25 children)

Didn’t really have anything against the kids either.

[–]spoooooopy 957 points958 points  (12 children)

Those poor kids had to listen to their dad go on and on about his past dates/one night stands/relationships only to get to their ACTUAL mother at the very end.

What kid wants to hear about who their dad banged before their mom??? Though I guess that supports Ted's shitty character.

[–]GinjaNinja1027 94 points95 points  (0 children)

"Yeah... I'm totally going to sit my kids down one day and tell them the story about how Barney nailed seven chicks in a row..."

"...am I a bad dad?"

[–]Slut4Tea 122 points123 points  (2 children)

IIRC the Captain was a bit sketchy, but once you got to know him, he was a decent guy.

[–]KourkidPixel 4132 points4133 points  (114 children)

Spongebob and Patrick

Always ruining Squidward's life.

[–]lachico05 3416 points3417 points  (65 children)

In their defense, they seem blatantly unaware of the fact that they annoy him. They seek to befriend him more than anything.

[–]Quintrell 1982 points1983 points  (45 children)

From my recollection SpongeBob and Patrick didn't really get off on pranking Squidward until the later seasons. Earlier on in the series they did things that just happen to annoy Squidward rather than to purposefully annoy him

[–]miIkbugs 1036 points1037 points  (39 children)

I kind of stopped watching after the movie, but every time I catch one of the newer episodes, spongebob and patrick are just assholes. They fuck with squidward for no reason not even to befriend him at this point. It's kind of made the show suck, seeing them being such dickheads when before they were just annoyingly innocent.

[–]wbotis 492 points493 points  (20 children)

Spongebob had the same problem as The Powerpuff Girls and Dexter’s Lab; Great cartoons that made incredible movies, then proceeded to immediately start to suck ass.

Edit: apparently not many people remember the Dexter movie. It’s called “Ego Trip.” Have fun.

[–]ZeroAlbion 374 points375 points  (11 children)

You either die a spongebob or live long enough to become a squidward.

[–]leadabae 139 points140 points  (7 children)

Live long enough to become a squidward or a plankton. Personally I relate more to the latter--a wasted college degree, seeing other people just have success thrown at them while failing at everything he tries to do, having to build a computer as a spouse.

[–]PandeanPanic 2315 points2316 points  (45 children)

Janis Ian from Mean Girls. Like she's portrayed as the victim and some badass who goes against the popular crowd but in reality she manipulated a new student into getting her own petty revenge and then completely abandoned and villainized said student once the obvious thing happened and she was in too deep.

[–]FayeHasCatHands 1715 points1716 points  (17 children)

I think the whole point was that Janis was also a ‘mean girl’.

She wasn’t in with the Plastics popular girl clique, and was bullied, and didn’t fit in so she was mean too which is such a common teenage narrative in real life.

The message of the movie is that we all have the potential to be mean girl assholes in our teens, but we shouldn’t be because we all go through the same stuff

[–]radicalqueerwarrior 1125 points1126 points  (13 children)

Doesn't Janis at one point in the movie say something like "At least me and Regina KNOW we're mean girls. But you like to pretend you are just some little innocent school girl form Africa"

[–]theoriginalcinn 910 points911 points  (11 children)

God! See, at least me and Regina George know we're mean! But you try to act so innocent like, "Oh, I used to live in Africa with all the little birdies, and the little monkeys!"

[–]ooh_de_lally 380 points381 points  (1 child)

I want my pink shirt back!

[–]Prettylittletiger 212 points213 points  (5 children)

Did you have an awesome time with your awesome friends and drink awesome shooters and just sit around and soak up each other’s awesomeness???!?!!

[–]dnahacker13 8718 points8719 points  (768 children)

Michael Scott. I love his character obviously, but holy fuck, if that was my boss.

[–]mtommy2597 4810 points4811 points  (256 children)

After rewatching like 20 times, I no longer like Phyllis.

[–]quetz4 4132 points4133 points  (40 children)

Close your mouth sweetie, you look like a trout.

[–]crazed3raser 1730 points1731 points  (33 children)

Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration.

[–]bdvilla 1320 points1321 points  (30 children)

what line of work you in, bob?

[–]FoxyGrampa 667 points668 points  (0 children)

You have a lot to learn about this town sweetie

[–]Buffdaddy8 460 points461 points  (6 children)

She's sympathetic because she takes a lot of shit but after awhile she seems to have it coming.

[–]Lemon_Tongs 139 points140 points  (3 children)

I still feel really bad for her when Michael changed secret Santa to white elephant because he didn’t want her oven mitt.

[–]The--Incident 1430 points1431 points  (90 children)

I can’t stand Phyllis and think she’s the worst.

[–]El_Frijol 1169 points1170 points  (53 children)

Ryan. Cannot stand Ryan.

[–]StayPuffGoomba 1095 points1096 points  (30 children)

I don’t think we are supposed to though. He’s always slimey.

[–]TwoBionicknees 668 points669 points  (11 children)

Yup, he was never beloved and never close to supposed to be and he's actually very funny at times. His character being the dick he was set up so many jokes and stories for Kelly and for others. His character is the worst but he played it great and his character being there made the show better for sure. Not least because he wrote 15 episodes, including fucking Threat Level Midnight which is brilliantly stupidly magic.

[–]Dr_Strang3l0v3 328 points329 points  (0 children)

You've got a lot to learn about this town, sweetie.

[–]Caverwoman 118 points119 points  (8 children)

My boss told us he started watching the show but had to stop because it hit too close to home, he thought he was like Michael.

He is. I've only started watching myself a few weeks ago, but every episode my husband and I look at each other in awe that 1) it's so similar to my boss and 2) he actually recognizes that!

[–]FruitCakeSally 447 points448 points  (12 children)

Everyone knows the true hero of the office is Stanley the Manley

[–]Fournote 980 points981 points  (44 children)

Peter venkman is kind of a dick.

[–]ChuckDexterWard 1318 points1319 points  (40 children)

The townspeople in Cars who arrest the kid for speeding and force him into slave labor until he develops Stockholm syndrome so bad that he has to return to the town since he is unable to function in the real world anymore.

[–]fraxert 365 points366 points  (6 children)

To be fair, he pretty much destroyed their major road, and didn't have the money (on him) to post bail or access to someone to pay bail for him. AND hard labor for a week, put up in a motel with free, not-prison-food-quality meals -on the dime of the local restaurant- for the duration of his sentence, to repair the damage he caused, is a lighter sentence than is conceivable any judiciary would give someone for evading the police, driving without headlights at night, and causing hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage to government (it is route 66 he destroyed) property.

[–]Pepperwoodchronicles 2383 points2384 points  (110 children)

Lily in How I Met Your Mother.

She left Marshall, wanted to move to Italy when Marshall finally reached some success and was an all-round bitch to Ted.

[–]namastemeanshello 1264 points1265 points  (53 children)

She sabotaged several of her best friends relationships for her own benefit. That’s psychopath-level crazy.

[–]Malphael 608 points609 points  (45 children)

The problem is that they justify her actions because she was "right"

A lot of shows take that approach. The character does something shitty, but the outcome is positive, so nobody stays upset over it.

[–]Bl_rp 958 points959 points  (34 children)

Y'all know nothing about how far this goes until you've read this thing: https://imgur.com/gallery/HTYQn

[–]Sarcastic_Cat 172 points173 points  (2 children)

God, I hate Lily. I hate everyone on HIMYM except Marshall, and he deserves some blame for hanging out with four monstrously shitty people on the reg.

[–]Lyn1987 4128 points4129 points  (215 children)

Margo Roth Spiegelman from Paper Towns

She's a spoiled little suburban bitch who runs off because she's mad that the world doesn't understand her. Before she leaves she pranks a bunch of people who wronged her, one of whom is hurt because she thought the two of them were friends. Then when her thirsty af neighbor the protagonist and friends finally finds her 1000+ miles away in a fucking hovel, she isnt even grateful that there are 3 people in the world who live her enough to search the country for her.

I haven't encountered a shittier fictional teenage since Bella Swan.

[–]BOOF_ESTROGEN 2897 points2898 points  (50 children)

I think the entire point was how she was built up as this mysterious manic pixie dream girl and at the end you just realise she’s some idiot who ran away.

[–]Zerotan 734 points735 points  (7 children)

I've done this before and it's nice to see it portrayed in book/film. I pined over that girl for years and later realized (perhaps sour grapes) that she could never be the girl I projected onto her.

[–]luthigosa 184 points185 points  (1 child)

No amount of fire or freshness can challenge what a man will store up in his ghostly heart.

Or to paraphrase: hype sucks

[–]Arkaega 706 points707 points  (32 children)

I read several of John Green's books and became ridiculously disillusioned with his stories. All of them were the same. This one, though, was different and I LOVED that in the end, she is just some entitled girl and the protagonist doesn't end up with her. The rest was fairly formulaic, but the ending was great.

[–]blisteringchristmas 146 points147 points  (5 children)

I enjoy the fact that Paper Towns is essentially thematically the same as Looking For Alaska, and they even share a decent amount of the plot structure, but Paper Towns ends with the protagonist being self aware of the idea of the manic pixie dream girl. I'm not a huge fan of his books and I have no idea if this was an intentional comment/subversion whatever on his earlier stuff, but I found it funny.

[–]Fyeahoctober 776 points777 points  (12 children)

But the book made it pretty clear: “Just remember that sometimes, the way you think about a person isn’t the way they actually are… People are different when you can smell them and see them up close…”

We were just seeing Margo from Q’s eyes. Q’s just as naive as Margo cause they’re literally 17-18 years old teens from the suburbs.

“You know your problem, Quentin? You keep expecting people not to be themselves. I mean, I could hate you for being massively unpunctual and for never being interested in anything other than Margo Roth Spiegelman, and for, like, never asking me about how it's going with my girlfriend - but I don't give a shit, man, because you're you. My parents have a shit ton of black Santas, but that's okay. They're them. I'm too obsessed with a reference website to answer my phone sometimes when my friends call, or my girlfriend. That's okay, too. That's me. You like me anyway. And I like you. You're funny, and you're smart, and you may show up late, but you always show up eventually.” - Radar, keeping it real.

[–]MaineSoxGuy93 132 points133 points  (6 children)

I've found the side characters in John Green's books to be far more entertaining and realistic than the main characters.

I'd read the shit out of a "buddy comedy" about Radar and Ben.

[–]calunderscoretissue 1028 points1029 points  (23 children)

Paper Towns is a great example of a book whose message was lost on fans. Margo's supposed to be an exciting (but shallow) character at first, and you're kind of supposed to fall in love with her a bit, but by the end of the novel Green is really beating you over the head with the whole "this is just a normal teenager with a messed up life" thing.

[–]ascetic_lynx 445 points446 points  (18 children)

I feel like the messages of a lot of his books are lost on fans

[–]M4xusV4ltr0n 355 points356 points  (5 children)

Yeah, I thought the message of The Fault In Stars was great: "hey it turns out sometimes people die, and it might not be in the way you expect, and really there's nothing exciting or romantic about it."

But somehow it gets lumped as a "shitty teen romance novel"

Same with Looking For Alaska: "you might have a friend that has a mental disorder, maybe commits suicide. You'll feel like it's your fault, but honestly they make their own choices and you can try to help but you can't take responsibilty for it".

As someone who was in that situation as an 18 year old, I think Green captures the feelings and confusion and pain of it so, so perfectly.

[–]mwm5062 294 points295 points  (1 child)

Literally writes it down even

“What a treacherous thing to believe that a person is more than a person.”

[–]JustGiveMeAUserName9 73 points74 points  (4 children)

Old Rose in Titanic. She could have ensured her family was financially set for generations, yet tossed that blue diamond - at one time owned by Louis XVI and worth millions - into the ocean.

[–]The_Young_Wan 562 points563 points  (25 children)

Carrie Fucking Bradshaw. Case in point: sending Aidan when Miranda needed help after falling in the shower. Among other things. Basically, Carrie is a nightmare.

[–]walnutwhip 357 points358 points  (3 children)

Carrie's the kind of person that you'd meet, think she's nice and meet up with a few times before you realised she was horribly self-obsessed, morally ambiguous at best, shallow, vain, and full of irritating affectations.

[–]m0le 3785 points3786 points  (71 children)

Pepe Le Pew, cartoon skunk and sexual predator.

[–]mrsuns10 1440 points1441 points  (15 children)

“See sometimes you got to take the pussy like Pepe!”

No no no!

-Dave Chappelle

[–]broadswordmaiden 378 points379 points  (10 children)

IIRC, there was a short where he took a shower/otherwise stopped smelling, and his "love interest" was all over him.

tldr: shower, it makes ladies attracted to you.

[–]MattLocke 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Happened a couple of times.

There was one in which he finally realizes that people yelling “le pew” is not them being happy to see him and calling his name, but screaming that he stinks. So he ends up purposely covering himself with enough perfume that he starts to attract the girl cat.

There was another in which both he and the girl cat fall from a roof. He lands in some blue paint and she lands in a water barrel.

This washes off the standard white paint stripe she always gets that makes him think she’s a skunk and also stuffs up her nose. He gets his stripe covered up and she starts getting all warm for his form.

In both cases, the tables being turned are not to his liking. He ends up running from the girl who is coming on too strong ... complaining that it is possible to be too attractive.

[–]LoneRangersBand 291 points292 points  (2 children)

Apparently he was based off Tedd Pierce, one of the animators at Warner Brothers, who proclaimed himself as a ladies' man.

[–]f1sh98 507 points508 points  (48 children)

Every character in the Great Gatsby.

Except maybe Nick Carraway

[–]alderaanirebel 350 points351 points  (2 children)

I always felt mildly bad for Gatsby, because he didn't deserve to die, even though he was kind of shitty. Nick was insufferable, but not terrible. But Daisy, Tom, Myrtle, and every other human being in that story can fuck the fuck off.

[–]wellllllllllllllll 110 points111 points  (7 children)

That's literally almost the point, with the fix of nick also being horrible. You're supposed to realize that the only not vapid part of their lives is Gatsby's love, and even that isn't "good"

[–]_wishyouwerehere_ 1234 points1235 points  (34 children)

Peter Pan - kidnapped children and murdered adults

[–]badashwolf 386 points387 points  (47 children)

Shane broke more hearts than not on the L Word

[–]naughtyminx90 206 points207 points  (19 children)

Jenny Schecter was the absolute worst, though.

[–]NorthwoodsHyena 67 points68 points  (7 children)

I don't think there is a character in media that fills me with as much loathing as Jenny Schecter. Seeing her name makes me low-level angry. It's to the point where I can't watch anything with Mia Kirshner in it without a simmering rage or just not watching. It sucks because she's in several shows I like and she almost ruined them for me. I just hate Jenny so much.

[–][deleted] 238 points239 points  (11 children)

Could you imagine having to deal with Ricky and Julian in real life? Fucking greasy...

[–]billbapapa 1218 points1219 points  (85 children)

Clark Griswald is a total asshole

[–]saulfineman 761 points762 points  (21 children)

Just cause he kills a dog, puts a dead woman on a roof of a car, robs a hotel, takes a security guard hostage and attempts to cheat on his wife?

[–]Torpid-O 138 points139 points  (4 children)

No. He's a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit.

[–]Noblesseux 2813 points2814 points  (189 children)

BBC's Sherlock Holmes.

He's only "charming" until you meet someone who tries to emulate his behaviour, then you realize how fucking obnoxious it is.

Edit: To the people who keep saying that he's supposed to be an asshole, please read any of the previous responses about why that's not necessarily the case.

[–]Imperium_Dragon 1758 points1759 points  (76 children)

I think it’s pretty clear that he’s an asshole. Everyone aside from Watson and his landlady and his brother dislikes him. The police guy only tolerates him. He’s a dick to everyone he meets, especially to his landlady, hell, he even says he’s a sociopath. I only watched the show because of how Sherlock analyzses stuff.

[–]jrhooo 562 points563 points  (0 children)

Yup. People seem to miss that 60% of Watsons job seems to be salvaging the rapport Sherlock kills within minutes of meeting someone. He seriously requires a normal person to shadow him doing , "Wait wait, he didn't mean that. I'm sorry he's just a bit odd, but please, don't leave" duty in order for him to get anything done.

[–]Noblesseux 1279 points1280 points  (56 children)

Some people, especially /r/iamverysmart type people, love the shit out of Sherlock because they think that the show supports the idea that being semi smart is an excuse to be an asshole. Said people are massive pains in the ass.

[–]Vat1canCame0s[🍰] 479 points480 points  (9 children)

And also not nearly smart enough to even come remotely close to it being tolerable.

Like in the show he is accepted because he helps solve crimes, put killers away, save the world ect etc

[–]hannahstohelit 196 points197 points  (15 children)

The worst part is that people now think he was an awful person in the books as well. He wasn't- he was actually a pretty nice, social, caring guy. He didn't care much about conventions, but it didn't stop him from making friends, earning Lestrade's respect, and smoothing out bad situations that arose as he solved cases.
While I enjoy all three seasons of BBC's Sherlock, I really hate what it's done to the character's legacy.

[–]thetwwitch 106 points107 points  (4 children)

Exactly my thoughts on Sherlock. The books and stories are my favourite pieces of literature, and the BBC's Sherlock leans so heavily on the "cold, uncaring, aloof" archetype. My main complaint about the show is that Holmes is unnecessarily brash and uncharismatic.

Holmes in the books was certainly an eccentric. He wasn't someone who was nice for no reason, he didn't "suffer fools" as it were. However, he understood people's feelings (and used this insight to see through people) and was genuinely a warm and kind person when occasion called for it.

His short comings as a character don't come from being socially inept or cruel, but from his disinterest in things that don't capture his mind (such as not knowing very basic "common knowledge"), and falling to drug use to stimulate that in his times of low activity.

Also can we stop with this Irene Adler romance thing? Holmes only pegs her as the only person to ever outwit him. I always took it as more of a mutual respect thing than any form of romantic interest.

[–]coffee_in_bed 841 points842 points  (82 children)

The entire cast of RENT, except Benny. And Tom Collins.

[–]ILoveSteveIrwin 240 points241 points  (5 children)

Thank fuck you said Tom Collins.

[–]Toupe454 192 points193 points  (11 children)

Nah fuck Benny. Dude cheats on his wife with a chick that he probably knows has HIV.

[–]mrguse 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Seriously. How the fuck is Benny a good guy?

[–]beepborpimajorp 158 points159 points  (8 children)

Joanne was pretty okay but I don't think she realized she was in an abusive relationship with Maureen. (Maureen being the abuser who was gas-lighting her and Mark.) And that was causing her to lash out and take advantage of people (Maaaark) the way Maureen was.

And I sort of give Mark a pass too because while he was a little insufferable for the sake of his 'art' he was also dealing with the knowledge that all of his friends would be dead soon and he would be alone. I think he actually expresses this during the "Halloween" song which didn't make it into the movie. So I think a lot of his motivation is to stay and help his friends because they're dying and he isn't. And he also has a case of survivor's guilt. Plus Maureen continues to take advantage of him every chance she gets.

Here's the song of his that was cut from the movie:

https://youtu.be/yNUkZ2Lsa0Y

"Why am I the witness? And when I capture it on film. Will it mean that it's the end and I'm alone?"

[–]lacrimaeveneris 93 points94 points  (4 children)

I was so disapponted that "Halloween" didn't make it into the film, because it clarifies SO MUCH of his character and the struggle he's having as his friends are dying around him. It makes him more sympathetic.

[–]JiaMekare 110 points111 points  (8 children)

What about Joanne? Can't think of anything actively shady she does except have shit taste in women.

[–]gotcatstyle 342 points343 points  (13 children)

I was gonna say “even Angel?” but then I remembered his intro number is a brag about how he murdered a dog... yikes.