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[–]Futurecs-goTeam EnVyUs Fan 1106 points1107 points  (42 children)

RIP space soldiers

[–]cleimk27Inferno Veteran 381 points382 points  (2 children)

SS on cobblestone in 2018 at LAN's against former or current top 30 teams:
16-11 AGO
11-16 Sprout
16-13 Cloud9
16-8 BIG
10-16 AGO
12-16 fnatic
Overall 3-3. This is definitely bad for them but they might be fine if someone lets Cache through against them

[–]Branokil 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Xizt might like to have a word about that

[–]PurelyGumbo_1 139 points140 points  (4 children)

Nah aim duel city for the bois

[–]ezclappa 74 points75 points  (0 children)

haven't been winning many aim duels at lan ;)

[–]Futurecs-goTeam EnVyUs Fan 22 points23 points  (0 children)

onliners

[–]RingerINCSK Gaming Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ytb

[–]acid000Howl 76 points77 points  (25 children)

Turks and dust2, name more iconic duo

[–]jp0werCloud9 Fan 150 points151 points  (18 children)

Russians and dust2

[–]folie1234Splyce Fan 77 points78 points  (16 children)

Russians and B.

[–]peltisFaZe Clan Fan 28 points29 points  (15 children)

Russians and rush B

[–]lolBEEFFnatic Fanatic 21 points22 points  (14 children)

Russians and rush B on Dust 2

[–]BrokenStoolNuke Veteran 34 points35 points  (10 children)

Russians and rush B on Dust 2 stopping in tunnels and blocking

[–]bandigoodQuantum Bellator Fire Fan 13 points14 points  (6 children)

why are you stopped

[–]edenbhopNatus Vincere Fan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Russians on Rush B on Dust 2 stopping in tunnels and blocking and then flaming you for not rushing B

[–]UglyQuadG2 Esports Fan 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Cyka and Blyat

[–]AjgiRenegades Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mouz and dust 2

[–]DMC777FaZe Clan Fan 339 points340 points  (24 children)

I doubt it would get picked from teams maybe as a decider in a bo3 though

[–]K0nvictFaZe Clan Fan 373 points374 points  (15 children)

Probably still more than Nuke

[–]patedemorcillaCanals Veteran 110 points111 points  (7 children)

It feels like Nuke has been picked a lot in DH

[–]TschontiFaZe Clan Fan 92 points93 points  (3 children)

it(4) was played more than cobblestone(3) at DHM

[–]Vichnaiev 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Because SK got booted early.

[–]Vichnaiev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats because SK got booted early.

[–]MaximumProxySK Gaming Fan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I also doubt it will get picked a lot but the bigger impact is it probably won't get banned a lot, whereas some teams perma-banned Cobble

[–]E_blancAstralis Fan 14 points15 points  (3 children)

It will definitely get picked. Probably a solid upset map for a few teams

[–]s4Nn1Ng0r0shiFnatic Fanatic 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Everyone knows d2

[–]Cameter44Cloud9 Fan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but who’s gonna ban it?

[–]KuumakarhuFaZe Clan Fan 630 points631 points  (37 children)

Its such an aim map s1mple will shit on kids on dust 2

[–]FirijiFaZe Clan Fan 546 points547 points  (18 children)

Proceeds to throw awp over wall on b-site.

[–]Sven806BIG Fan 293 points294 points  (10 children)

This year he'll throw the bomb over the wall and it will plant itself.

[–]bc264855Mirage Veteran 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It will either plant it self or fall into a black hole ;p

[–]mattesno1 18 points19 points  (7 children)

I heard Chuck Norris did this once and it blew up the entire map.

[–]Sven806BIG Fan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That's why valve had to rebuild it.

[–]I_AM_ALWAYS_WRONG_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Better yet he will just toss a HE grenade onto site and it will end the round due to bomb explosion.

[–]godAndresTeam Liquid Fan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

pls no

[–]FlashKaikoBravo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

flair checks out

[–]Rydychyn 9 points10 points  (3 children)

As someone who hasn't kept up with the scene, is there a relevant clip here?

[–]synthestar 2 points3 points  (17 children)

You say that, but there's not much between top level CS players in terms of aim. Like really, it's not going to give him much more of an advantage than good aim already does in other maps. CS is still a team game, and no amount of aim is going to pull a good trade into your favour.

Edit: all the fanboys downvoting me can read the stats https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7998/s1mple?maps=de_dust2 1.11 rating https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7998/s1mple 1.21 rating

Going by his past performances, he's statistically worse on Dust 2 vs his average across all other maps.

So create discussion instead of downvoting.

[–]domax9 29 points30 points  (4 children)

dust 2 still is the heaviest aim map there is in the pool

[–]veRGe14215 Year Subreddit Veteran 24 points25 points  (3 children)

true true, but honorable mention to cache, as it's pretty aim heavy too

anyone that disagrees hasn't tried to hold CT mid as 3 terrorists come flying over boost after mollying out sandbag + white box, cross smoking out mid main, and flashing over 8000 times lol

[–]tuckeran5607Cloud9 Fan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Pls no. I don't wanna go back to that white place.

[–]LegitMarshmallowCloud9 Fan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm never playing mid solo on Cache again and this is why.

[–]TheRobidog100 Thieves Fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mate, Simple is a much better player right now than he was in early 2017 and 2016. Stats from that time mean practically nothing.

He's shitting on everyone on every map right now, even those that aren't considered great for individual plays. Dust 2 is. Chances are, he'll shit on everyone on Dust 2, even moreso than on other maps.

If he keeps this form, that is.

[–]Wobbly_ 9 points10 points  (7 children)

No you don't understand, the s1mple circlejerk is in full swing

[–]Crosea400k Hype 115 points116 points  (18 children)

Big news really, hope they talked about it with some teams though. Would be a little bit of an embarrassment if it gets vetoed every game.
E: https://twitter.com/jwCSGO/status/988459299625160705 Case in point.

[–]ShizrahAstralis Fan 55 points56 points  (14 children)

If I'm understanding JW's tweet correctly, it was put to a vote among the 16 teams, and somehow a majority believed playing Dust 2 was the better solution? Weird.

[–]Crosea400k Hype 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if teams voted with their veto-system in mind. Can't say I blame them. I guess in the end we wouldn't be watching either map anyway.

[–]CorneliusFudgePackerCloud9 Fan 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah keep in mind that some teams like Astralis will be happy to see their permaban leave the pool...guessing some people voted purely off that.

[–]anonballsCloud9 Fan 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Wtf this community has been begging for cobble to be removed for the longest time and now everyone's mad that it's gone? What's wrong with aim duels anyways

[–]marrtiiin 24 points25 points  (5 children)

they are not mad that its gone, its that some teams have 4 days to prepare for a new map.

[–]PhenixxyTeam EnVyUs Fan 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Well they're all on the same level, so still interesting to see some "fresh" plays.

[–]djentlightCloud9 Fan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As much as I hate d2, I was thinking the same thing. Drop-down has been a big, contentious balance point/source of frustration for so long

[–]zh1K476tt9pq 11 points12 points  (0 children)

E: https://twitter.com/jwCSGO/status/988459299625160705 Case in point.

The more tweets I read from pros the more I think they aren't the smartest people probably shouldn't be tweeting. So just because he doesn't like the outcome he is now claiming that other teams don't take the game seriously? Really? Isn't it more like they considered what's best for them given that they have a veto and whether or not they liked cobble?

[–]raff97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does playing dust2 mean you dont care about the tournament? Yes, your team isnt that well practiced on it, but neither is your opponent. If you think your team is less bad than your opponent then its the correct strategy to play it.

I can also see aim heavy teams like SS playing it. Also underdog teams can use it to throw a spanner in the works against a superior opponent

[–]MJuniorDC9Death Sentence 300 points301 points  (29 children)

Good decision. Better than postponing D2 for late May in my opinion.

[–]Lepojka1FaZe Clan Fan 153 points154 points  (28 children)

Yea, I think this map changed soo little, has only few basic executes, and its soo puggy. Everyone will catch up fast, and start popping heads... Cant wait to see new Shox team plays it... It was his and Smithz favorite map.

[–]TheLeprechaun04Ninjas in Pyjamas Fan 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Not to mention that the new map has been in csgo for sometime now. Just not in the active maps. If a team is proactive enough they could have used a little time to get used to it. But I'm not a pro player so wtf do I know.

[–]MeanGreenBeanMachineFaZe Clan Fan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah practically half a year of d2 now

[–]veRGe14215 Year Subreddit Veteran 9 points10 points  (3 children)

question for new dust2 becuase i'm a lazy pugger that hasn't watched any youtube vids about it

1) what is the new xbox smoke from top mid/t spawn to get up cat

2) what is the new ct smoke for mid to b from xbox

3) how do you flash long for t-side now most effectively

4) can you spam that long car with anything? or only rifles/deagle?

[–]DucklenutsCloud9 Fan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

sothatwemaybefree.com should have smokes for dust 2, and i believe long flashbangs should be the same.

the cars windows are penetrable by anything but i believe the body isn't

[–]Muxas5 Year Subreddit Veteran 11 points12 points  (20 children)

new d2 plays slightly different , dont expect every good old d2 team to transition

[–]PapercsCache Veteran 35 points36 points  (12 children)

there is no real difference anywhere besides the length of ct cross on long

[–]Baldrylock11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I really miss that nifty flash you could do on the balcony when rounding the corner on CT long.

[–]_glitchbreachgod_Natus Vincere Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that was a shit flash anyway

[–]IgotUBromousesports Fan 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Oh my. Did my Cobble Souvenir drop from the last major just rise in value?

[–]BlorkaCloud9 Fan 99 points100 points  (8 children)

Teams of all tiers have been getting creative with executes on all maps, it wouldn't surprise me but would also be great if teams started discovering viable smokes and plays to do to help change the "Pug star, AWP domination" feel that almost everyone says about Dust 2.

I hope Cobblestone is getting a proper overhaul, it's not a well made map if even you stack 4 or 5 people on a site, holding it is still a struggle.

[–]Diavolo222SK Gaming Fan 70 points71 points  (6 children)

Hard to invent new smokes on such a simple map. It would've been something else if they opened up the skybox, but NOPE. IT's literally the same since 1.5. SAme strategies. Different aimers.

[–]dalmationblackCloud9 Fan 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Exactly. If valve just opened the skyboxes they'd make the map much more interesting without affecting why people like it in pugs.

[–]Flaksmith 13 points14 points  (3 children)

It would make it more T-sided

[–]dalmationblackCloud9 Fan 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I mean you'd probably have to change some of the cover on sites to balance, but these are still minor changes.

[–]rdee3 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Opening up the skybox would allow the CT's to abuse it for aggression as well. On the surface it'd be T sided but it'd be hard to be certain without seeing what players come up with.

[–]TheRobidog100 Thieves Fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As long as B tunnels stays indoors, it wouldn't. You can't aggress past tunnels towards T spawn, that's suicide, way too many angles to check. And everywhere else on the map (mid, cat, A long), you already have open sky boxes.

If you want to make the map less T sided, you have to let the CTs contest mid more easily.

[–]astrovisionary400k Hype 35 points36 points  (0 children)

This is actually true. No real strategy concept has changed on this new dust 2. Only some rotation times and some new spots

[–]readmyslipsAstralis Fan 78 points79 points  (7 children)

This is turning out to be a great week for Astralis!

[–]ace100x 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Dust 2 coming back cements astralis as the #1 team in the world. Helps mouz though too

[–]GarrettGSFmousesports Fan 4 points5 points  (4 children)

OH yes, the only map even old mouse was dangerous (next to Cache), while their Cbl is...

[–]ace100x 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Tbf old and new mouz only share 1 player but itll probably be good

[–]Ikkomuitbrabantmousesports Fan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

well it is chrisJ back on A side with the scout so it will be good

[–]artyboi37Virtus.Pro Fan 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I'd say this would kill VP if they weren't already dead.

[–]shockwaveJBCloud9 Fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

still got nuke cache and train... but uh... have fun with those other maps

[–]TheOneNotNamedHydra 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Some people complain about dust 2. But i think it will be fun because has been so long since we last saw it played in the pro scene.

[–]iplaywowlulSplyce Fan 86 points87 points  (19 children)

That stupid to have dust2 at epl finals.

The finals should have the same map pool as the online season.

[–]usteeloRenegades Fan 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Put it this way, the offline season is like an extended qualifier where they are simply playing just to play on the big LAN, just like any other qualifier. If they implement it at Sydney, then it makes sense to do it at Dallas also.

[–]SomethingSimilars5 Year Subreddit Veteran 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean it makes sense, if you have it at IEM Sydney you should also have it at any following up tournaments otherwise you are going to be having to worry about 8 maps instead of 7.

[–]Jira93mousesports Fan 3 points4 points  (14 children)

Why?

[–]MkvarnerFnatic Fan 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Changing it up during the tournament doesn't make much sense when multiple teams got to EPL Finals and didn't reach EPL finals by playing Cobblestone.

And then they should play with a different map pool in the finals related to the online league?

[–]Jira93mousesports Fan 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Idk. I would agree with you if they were changing map pool mid-league, but adopting a different map for an entire segment of the tournament sounds ok to me

[–]JigSaW_3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When infernew had been added at the february of 2017 it was added to ESL PL mid-league tho and almost instantly. In bo1's veto it's not really that big of a deal if you think about, almost no harm if you don't want to play it.

[–]teef0urWelcome to the Clutch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Disagree. Teams have been playing cobblestone in the EPL online league and qualify for the finals as a result, I think the map pool should remain consistent throughout. Same for IEM Sydney as it is the same situation with the online qualifier. That said I'm very happy to see the back of cobblestone so honestly I'm not particularly bothered by this as a viewer.

[–]MkvarnerFnatic Fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The thing is, it's just 2 weeks until EPL Finals. Doesn't really make much sense to change the map pool.

If it was mid season of EPL I could see why they would change it up as Cobblestone wouldn't be practised by any teams close to the tournament anyways due to prioritising Dust 2.

[–]jz96Renegades Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're doing the same with IEM Sydney and the qualifiers for that.

[–]mal4garfieldAstana Dragons Fan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Start the season with a certain map pool, you should finish it with that.

Changing it this late is just stupid.

[–]RadiantSunmousesports Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because they've been playing one map pool for an entire season and now the finals will have a different one? The league season should be considered part of the same "tournament" (and technically it is) and as such, it should be held with a consistent set of conditions throughout, as far as possible.

[–]DKTHUNDROpTic Gaming Fan 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Because they’ve been playing on the old map pool all season?

[–]mannyman34Team Liquid Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So should ESL Belo horizante have cbbl as well since it was used in the online qualifier.

[–]mogyesz09 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I'm ready for the smithzz comeback

[–]MrPhrillie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Time to get the ol' LDLC lineup back and running! Happy holding long and nbk holding b halls while kio/smithzz/shox make magic as T in middle...

[–]mcrestoGuardian Elite 109 points110 points  (54 children)

Teams complaining about not having time to learn the map. The core of the map hasn't changed. Some minor tweaks to angles but overall its still d2. Back to boring CS, I guess.

[–]MajormlgnoobCloud9 Fan 135 points136 points  (26 children)

I mean Cobble is pretty boring as well

[–]mcrestoGuardian Elite 68 points69 points  (24 children)

You have more potential for creative strats on cobble than D2. I don't know about you, but I remember how stale CS matches got on d2. They didn't actually change anything on the map other than a face lift.

[–]RadiantSunmousesports Fan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cobble isn't boring but the tactics are beginning to die now because of long T rotates, B site being tough to hold and no real possibility for CT aggression.

[–]unexpectedrebootsTeam Liquid Fan 25 points26 points  (16 children)

I didn't find Cobble that boring.

Mirage is pretty boring right now IMO.

[–]mcrestoGuardian Elite 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I think you could say that about the majority of competitive maps. I was kind of hoping they would bring in a new map entirely.

[–]unexpectedrebootsTeam Liquid Fan 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Eh.

Nuke is super fun to watch tbh. Hopefully rotating Cobble out will bring in some more creative bans and we see nuke played a bit more.

[–]mcrestoGuardian Elite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've played a few pugs on the map lately and I think the changes they made help the map out dramatically. I hope it gets played more regularly too

[–]shockwaveJBCloud9 Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

subzero would be insane to watch teams play

[–]justcallmechadCloud9 Fan 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Yup, I can’t play on mirage anymore, feels so stale to me.

Pistol: “Contact B”

First buy round: “Let’s just do A smokes” someone fucks up the jungle smoke and everyone gets killed crossing to site

Repeat for 10 rounds

[–]JinsoooSplyce Fan 42 points43 points  (0 children)

yeah i hate when pros do contact b every pistol and do A smokes in the first gun round with a fail smoke

[–]Jira93mousesports Fan 46 points47 points  (0 children)

We are not talking about casual gaming here, cause that will apply to every single map

[–]its_a_simulationmousesports Fan 12 points13 points  (4 children)

There's a billion other things you could do.

[–]RadiantSunmousesports Fan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Maybe it is different in pugging for you but in terms of competitive 5v5 CS, Mirage is 10000x more tactically rich and strategically diverse than Cbbl.

[–]dyzcraft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't decide which I dislike more.

[–]Rivitur5 Year Subreddit Veteran 11 points12 points  (0 children)

But those sick mid smokes!

[–]lax3rCloud9 Fan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Many teams have had roster changes since the last time dust 2 was in competitive. Although all the players have countless hours on the map, the team has at best minimal practice on it. They'll have to put together executes and ct set ups in minimal time

[–]K0nvictFaZe Clan Fan 43 points44 points  (18 children)

CS is never boring, stop complaining

[–]koine_linguaCloud9 Fan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Some minor tweaks to angles but overall its still d2.

I don't have anything installed right now, is there an overview of the most recent changes? (Or when were the most recent changes?)

[–]mcrestoGuardian Elite 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'd refer to 3kliks for any map updates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJEYZZ6ZQf0

They've tweaked some box heights esp on A and middle. You can't really camp on A ramp like you used to. B really needed a rework and that was basically ignored.

[–]404GoodNamesNotFoundNatus Vincere Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Opening up the skybox is really T sided. So im thing about a window that you can throw utility to outside of b from and that a man cant throw and go in. So the best thing you can do is to molly/smoke door

[–]Lasti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't complain when everyone's on the same level anyways. It's not like one team knew it was coming and started to practice the map months in advance.

[–]LNR-SebFaZe Clan Fan 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Everyone complaining saying that Cobble was one of everyone’s favorites...um no. You’re most likely saying that because you REALLY want that Cobble Drop but frankly most pros in countless of interviews have said that they would remove Cobble from Active Duty if they could.

[–]SouthwindPT 9 points10 points  (0 children)

every pro right now

24/7 bootcamping in d2 to learn smokes, flashes, grenades and molo

[–]vZeHCloud9 Fan 16 points17 points  (10 children)

I'm actually excited to see the new strats and innovations come into play. Hopefully it isn't an instaban every match up

[–]SurfaceHayesCloud9 Fan 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I have a hard time seeing innovative new strats being incorporated since the skyboxes are still so restrictive.

[–]L0kitheliarOffice Veteran 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's already slightly T sided, opened skyboxes would make it even more T sided

[–]Rivitur5 Year Subreddit Veteran 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Dust 2 and new strats.... Yeah okay

[–]IvanmcktNinjas in Pyjamas Fan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So the teams are gonna play on a different mappol they've played all season leading up to the LAN finals lol amazing decision.

[–]pfunkkCloud9 Fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How about letting a new fuckin map in instead of this old played out shit.

[–]Space_WafflesSK Gaming Fan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is an interesting decision to use it at Sydney. I wonder how many teams will put a bunch of practice into this instead of other maps, or how many will just hope no one picks it and makes sure their other maps are well refined

[–]nawgzyCloud9 Fan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I am not looking forward to this change. I thought Cobble was an exciting map to watch, if not play, and it had a unique playstyle and afforded interesting executes.

D2 is... I don't know, played out? I don't think there'll be that much tactical depth to the map, just headshots. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, let's see if Valve was smart about this redesign.

[–]T_Stebbins 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's just so old is the problem. I have been playing that map for years and years, most other games that use different maps (Starcraft, Overwatch etc.) update and change them frequently.

CSGO needs new maps honestly.

[–]schoki560Astralis Fan 17 points18 points  (19 children)

Is it really wise to let people have SEVEN days to practise D2?

Probably even less if you consider travelling home -> travelling to Sydney. Probably 5 day to practise a new map.

Im not sure if thats true

[–]dnkeiserFaZe Clan Fan 70 points71 points  (1 child)

It’s not like it’s the most basic map of all time

[–]i_nezzy_iSplyce Fan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Summoner's Rift: The Map

[–]RoyalleWithCheeseMirage Veteran 4 points5 points  (0 children)

there's not much to practice, maybe some flashes and angles rest is same as it always was :/

[–]blazexdddFaZe Clan Fan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well, the map came in november so teams had enough time to get a grip of it .

[–]HeroicMe 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Is it really wise to let people have SEVEN days to practise D2?

Right question should be, is it really wise to think dust2 will never return to competitive so teams never practised it for half a year?

[–]schoki560Astralis Fan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

because practising 7 other maps isnt hard enough already

[–]YABAN55Team LDLC Fan 0 points1 point  (4 children)

why would they practice it?

[–]HeroicMe 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So they wouldn't be caught with their pants down and say "we never practiced it" - just like they do right now.

[–]YABAN55Team LDLC Fan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

that's not a reason to practice it. noone could have expected that they have to practice it for an event 7 days later

[–]schoki560Astralis Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

good*

[–]belltrosDeath Sentence 9 points10 points  (3 children)

new d2 is basically the same as old d2.

it was boring then, it will be boring now.

[–]GladyxFaZe Clan Fan 24 points25 points  (2 children)

It cant get any more boring than Cobble

[–]404GoodNamesNotFoundNatus Vincere Fan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah every round was one of 3 things. Pushing long to get a kill. If no lick you move back and hold plat and just put 2 on drop. And then you throw the exact same nades every round

[–]GladyxFaZe Clan Fan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And this is just half the issue. The afterplants on Cobble are so ridiculously difficult for the CTs that it encourages them to save more often than not, which makes the gameplay even more boring.

[–]anw817Cloud9 Fan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LONG LIVE THE KING

[–]Scoot-Ninjas in Pyjamas Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes

[–]Dave230398Train Veteran 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just ensuring that Astralis win.

[–]AlexYoonWelcome to the Clutch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pug stomp incoming

[–]MednieksFnatic Fanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And here we go

[–]Spork_RevolutionAstralis Fan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So we can look forward to a map that people know in an out

An aim (AWP) centric map, where CT can be aggressive without it always being -EV.

I like it. I just wish double doors would have no gab or a smaller one.

[–]Salud57SK Gaming Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and so it begins...

[–]sUUUUcharVirtus.Pro Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imo pro league finals should feature map pool teams played the whole season.

[–]Oathu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RIP VP

[–]SlambeZHydra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's global conspiracy to go more frequently on nuke. ;}

lets the aim fest begin! :D

[–]rklusiBUYPOWER Fan[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

aye smithz is back

[–]SairothonTeam Astralis Fan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm a mere GN3 scrub but can anyone explain to me why Dust 2 isn't liked by some people? What are their concerns about it? I understand why it's controversial to have it in IEM Sydney, but I'm asking overall why some people don't like Dust 2.

[–]alm_swe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like it, nice of ESL to spice things up :F

[–]NigerianpoopslayerVirtus.Pro Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty shit time to change it tbh, but then again so is pretty much all of May and June, so I guess they might as well.

[–]dnkeiserFaZe Clan Fan 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I’m down, anything FaZe can get we need

[–]RoyalleWithCheeseMirage Veteran 1 point2 points  (2 children)

karrigan on dust2, yikes. I remember them watching mid from b window a lot which was terrible.

[–]godemperor46 3 points4 points  (0 children)

TSM had a good run on d2 with karrigan

[–]dnkeiserFaZe Clan Fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Karrigan only frags when no one else can, tell me something I don’t know.

[–]Fbnt1mousesports Fan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

mousesports - best ever team on this map (tradition). NOW THEY GO HUGE :D

[–]Penny_NicholsGambit Esports Fan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

without god denis and his right hand spiidolf they will do nothing

[–]sundow_Nmousesports Fan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’d rather watch cobble than nuke

[–]Rivitur5 Year Subreddit Veteran 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I know let's add in a map that wasn't featured once the entire season and take out a map teams worked on to get wins in pro league. Smart idea!

[–]LNR-SebFaZe Clan Fan 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Let’s add back the most iconic map ever and replace the one map that most pros have been asking to be removed from Active Duty!

[–]L0kitheliarOffice Veteran 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Or you know... lets bring back the most famous CS:GO map and remove the 1 map that the vast majority of pro players agree should leave the map pool

[–]jwolf1997Fnatic Fanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

POGGERS

[–]MajorSaggFaZe Clan Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would have preferred that they wait until after EPL finals. Imo it doesn't make sense to play a 3 month qualifier with one map pool just to use a different one in the main event last second.

[–]bananafever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the return of dust 2

[–]ShiaLeBoopAstralis Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's an ESL event?!

[–]muffinlovebirdVirtus.Pro Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RIP VP

[–]ILoveToEatLobster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also just in: de_rats replacing all bomb detonation maps starting with IEM Sydney.

[–]BiC-Pen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see why virtus.pro didn't want to qualify for IEM Sydney, they saw it coming.

[–]kalintag90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not too surprised by this, since the DS2 remake everyone has known it will re-enter the map pool. I'm not sure why they HAVE to replace a map with DS2 rather than just having all the maps open, I'm sure the pros can manage 8 maps over 7 (yes I know the pick/bans will leave one map unresolved). It makes sense Cobble being the one being replaced, Nuke is less played but it just had that refresher so i doubt Valve will want to pull it out of rotation yet. Mirage, Inferno, and Cache are too popular, this leaves Cobble, Train, and Overpass. I feel both Overpass and Train are solid maps, there is a lot strat variation and it's super hard to predict how the maps will go. This leaves Cobble. While I'm expecting DS2 to not be the most exciting, I am curious to see how the old strats hold up to the new map, maybe we'll get a pleasant surprise.

[–]LifoGifoTeam Astralis Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Removing the permaban of Astralis from the pool...I like it :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So cobblestone is the next map to be remade?

[–]WolvesCallum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mouz and Astralis just got even better, very scary

[–]iCiteEverything 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I guess I'm the only person in this thread who enjoys watching dust 2

[–]V_AbhishekTeam Liquid Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good choice, just rip out cobble ASAP like a band-aid, no point in staggering it.

[–]tarangkHowl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Virtus Pro might have problem remaining a top 5 with this change

.......wait wrong year sorry

[–]fancyson_Immortals Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t understand why they would do that for Sydney but it makes sense for events past that.