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Posted byInferno Veteran3 months ago

ESL: "Dust2 will be used instead of Cobblestone in ESL events starting with IEM Sydney and ESL Pro League Finals in Dallas"

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Death Sentence1.1k points · 3 months ago

RIP space soldiers

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Inferno Veteran387 points · 3 months ago

SS on cobblestone in 2018 at LAN's against former or current top 30 teams:
16-11 AGO
11-16 Sprout
16-13 Cloud9
16-8 BIG
10-16 AGO
12-16 fnatic
Overall 3-3. This is definitely bad for them but they might be fine if someone lets Cache through against them

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Xizt might like to have a word about that

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Nah aim duel city for the bois

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haven't been winning many aim duels at lan ;)

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Death Sentence24 points · 3 months ago

onliners

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MIBR Fan2 points · 3 months ago

ytb

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Gambit Esports Fan70 points · 3 months ago

Turks and dust2, name more iconic duo

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MiBR Fan152 points · 3 months ago

Russians and dust2

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Splyce Fan80 points · 3 months ago

Russians and B.

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FaZe Clan Fan33 points · 3 months ago

Russians and rush B

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Fnatic Fanatic22 points · 3 months ago

Russians and rush B on Dust 2

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Nuke Veteran38 points · 3 months ago

Russians and rush B on Dust 2 stopping in tunnels and blocking

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Quantum Bellator Fire Fan13 points · 3 months ago

why are you stopped

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why stop*

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Nuke Veteran2 points · 3 months ago

bruuh

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Russians on Rush B on Dust 2 stopping in tunnels and blocking and then flaming you for not rushing B

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G2 Esports Fan10 points · 3 months ago

Cyka and Blyat

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Renegades Fan1 point · 3 months ago

Mouz and dust 2

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FaZe Clan Fan341 points · 3 months ago

I doubt it would get picked from teams maybe as a decider in a bo3 though

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FaZe Clan Fan373 points · 3 months ago

Probably still more than Nuke

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Canals Veteran116 points · 3 months ago

It feels like Nuke has been picked a lot in DH

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FaZe Clan Fan93 points · 3 months ago

it(4) was played more than cobblestone(3) at DHM

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Because SK got booted early.

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Cloud9 Fan8 points · 3 months ago

rekt

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Thats because SK got booted early.

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Astralis Fan16 points · 3 months ago

It will definitely get picked. Probably a solid upset map for a few teams

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Fnatic Fanatic8 points · 3 months ago

Everyone knows d2

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Cloud9 Fan3 points · 3 months ago

Yeah, but who’s gonna ban it?

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Its such an aim map s1mple will shit on kids on dust 2

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FaZe Clan Fan540 points · 3 months ago

Proceeds to throw awp over wall on b-site.

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BIG Fan292 points · 3 months ago

This year he'll throw the bomb over the wall and it will plant itself.

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Mirage Veteran35 points · 3 months ago

It will either plant it self or fall into a black hole ;p

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I heard Chuck Norris did this once and it blew up the entire map.

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What year is this?!

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mousesports Fan6 points · 3 months ago

2006

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barrens chat

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BIG Fan15 points · 3 months ago

That's why valve had to rebuild it.

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Better yet he will just toss a HE grenade onto site and it will end the round due to bomb explosion.

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Team Liquid Fan12 points · 3 months ago

pls no

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MiBR Fan4 points · 3 months ago

flair checks out

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As someone who hasn't kept up with the scene, is there a relevant clip here?

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G2 Esports Fan20 points · 3 months ago

https://youtu.be/PO1G0bmWurc?t=15s

Was at ESL One New York 2016

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Thanks man.

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3 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

You say that, but there's not much between top level CS players in terms of aim. Like really, it's not going to give him much more of an advantage than good aim already does in other maps. CS is still a team game, and no amount of aim is going to pull a good trade into your favour.

Edit: all the fanboys downvoting me can read the stats https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7998/s1mple?maps=de_dust2 1.11 rating https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7998/s1mple 1.21 rating

Going by his past performances, he's statistically worse on Dust 2 vs his average across all other maps.

So create discussion instead of downvoting.

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31 points · 3 months ago

dust 2 still is the heaviest aim map there is in the pool

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran26 points · 3 months ago

true true, but honorable mention to cache, as it's pretty aim heavy too

anyone that disagrees hasn't tried to hold CT mid as 3 terrorists come flying over boost after mollying out sandbag + white box, cross smoking out mid main, and flashing over 8000 times lol

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Cloud9 Fan13 points · 3 months ago

Pls no. I don't wanna go back to that white place.

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Cloud9 Fan5 points · 3 months ago

I'm never playing mid solo on Cache again and this is why.

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100 Thieves Fan3 points · 3 months ago

Mate, Simple is a much better player right now than he was in early 2017 and 2016. Stats from that time mean practically nothing.

He's shitting on everyone on every map right now, even those that aren't considered great for individual plays. Dust 2 is. Chances are, he'll shit on everyone on Dust 2, even moreso than on other maps.

If he keeps this form, that is.

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No you don't understand, the s1mple circlejerk is in full swing

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400k Hype117 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

Big news really, hope they talked about it with some teams though. Would be a little bit of an embarrassment if it gets vetoed every game.
E: https://twitter.com/jwCSGO/status/988459299625160705 Case in point.

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Astralis Fan56 points · 3 months ago

If I'm understanding JW's tweet correctly, it was put to a vote among the 16 teams, and somehow a majority believed playing Dust 2 was the better solution? Weird.

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400k Hype42 points · 3 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised if teams voted with their veto-system in mind. Can't say I blame them. I guess in the end we wouldn't be watching either map anyway.

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Cloud9 Fan23 points · 3 months ago

Yeah keep in mind that some teams like Astralis will be happy to see their permaban leave the pool...guessing some people voted purely off that.

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Cloud9 Fan23 points · 3 months ago

Wtf this community has been begging for cobble to be removed for the longest time and now everyone's mad that it's gone? What's wrong with aim duels anyways

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they are not mad that its gone, its that some teams have 4 days to prepare for a new map.

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G2 Esports Fan7 points · 3 months ago

Well they're all on the same level, so still interesting to see some "fresh" plays.

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Cloud9 Fan5 points · 3 months ago

As much as I hate d2, I was thinking the same thing. Drop-down has been a big, contentious balance point/source of frustration for so long

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E: https://twitter.com/jwCSGO/status/988459299625160705 Case in point.

The more tweets I read from pros the more I think they aren't the smartest people probably shouldn't be tweeting. So just because he doesn't like the outcome he is now claiming that other teams don't take the game seriously? Really? Isn't it more like they considered what's best for them given that they have a veto and whether or not they liked cobble?

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4 points · 3 months ago

How does playing dust2 mean you dont care about the tournament? Yes, your team isnt that well practiced on it, but neither is your opponent. If you think your team is less bad than your opponent then its the correct strategy to play it.

I can also see aim heavy teams like SS playing it. Also underdog teams can use it to throw a spanner in the works against a superior opponent

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OpTic Gaming Fan300 points · 3 months ago

Good decision. Better than postponing D2 for late May in my opinion.

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Natus Vincere Fan151 points · 3 months ago

Yea, I think this map changed soo little, has only few basic executes, and its soo puggy. Everyone will catch up fast, and start popping heads... Cant wait to see new Shox team plays it... It was his and Smithz favorite map.

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Ninjas in Pyjamas Fan42 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

Not to mention that the new map has been in csgo for sometime now. Just not in the active maps. If a team is proactive enough they could have used a little time to get used to it. But I'm not a pro player so wtf do I know.

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FaZe Clan Fan4 points · 3 months ago

yeah practically half a year of d2 now

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran10 points · 3 months ago

question for new dust2 becuase i'm a lazy pugger that hasn't watched any youtube vids about it

  1. what is the new xbox smoke from top mid/t spawn to get up cat

  2. what is the new ct smoke for mid to b from xbox

  3. how do you flash long for t-side now most effectively

  4. can you spam that long car with anything? or only rifles/deagle?

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Cloud9 Fan8 points · 3 months ago

sothatwemaybefree.com should have smokes for dust 2, and i believe long flashbangs should be the same.

the cars windows are penetrable by anything but i believe the body isn't

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran11 points · 3 months ago

new d2 plays slightly different , dont expect every good old d2 team to transition

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Cache Veteran34 points · 3 months ago

there is no real difference anywhere besides the length of ct cross on long

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I really miss that nifty flash you could do on the balcony when rounding the corner on CT long.

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Natus Vincere Fan2 points · 3 months ago

that was a shit flash anyway

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mousesports Fan21 points · 3 months ago

Oh my. Did my Cobble Souvenir drop from the last major just rise in value?

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Cloud9 Fan105 points · 3 months ago

Teams of all tiers have been getting creative with executes on all maps, it wouldn't surprise me but would also be great if teams started discovering viable smokes and plays to do to help change the "Pug star, AWP domination" feel that almost everyone says about Dust 2.

I hope Cobblestone is getting a proper overhaul, it's not a well made map if even you stack 4 or 5 people on a site, holding it is still a struggle.

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MiBR Fan75 points · 3 months ago

Hard to invent new smokes on such a simple map. It would've been something else if they opened up the skybox, but NOPE. IT's literally the same since 1.5. SAme strategies. Different aimers.

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Cloud9 Fan27 points · 3 months ago

Exactly. If valve just opened the skyboxes they'd make the map much more interesting without affecting why people like it in pugs.

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It would make it more T-sided

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Cloud9 Fan28 points · 3 months ago

I mean you'd probably have to change some of the cover on sites to balance, but these are still minor changes.

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10 points · 3 months ago

Opening up the skybox would allow the CT's to abuse it for aggression as well. On the surface it'd be T sided but it'd be hard to be certain without seeing what players come up with.

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100 Thieves Fan3 points · 3 months ago

As long as B tunnels stays indoors, it wouldn't. You can't aggress past tunnels towards T spawn, that's suicide, way too many angles to check. And everywhere else on the map (mid, cat, A long), you already have open sky boxes.

If you want to make the map less T sided, you have to let the CTs contest mid more easily.

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400k Hype36 points · 3 months ago

This is actually true. No real strategy concept has changed on this new dust 2. Only some rotation times and some new spots

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Astralis Fan79 points · 3 months ago

This is turning out to be a great week for Astralis!

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16 points · 3 months ago

Dust 2 coming back cements astralis as the #1 team in the world. Helps mouz though too

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mousesports Fan6 points · 3 months ago

OH yes, the only map even old mouse was dangerous (next to Cache), while their Cbl is...

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12 points · 3 months ago

Tbf old and new mouz only share 1 player but itll probably be good

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

well it is chrisJ back on A side with the scout so it will be good

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Virtus.Pro Fan17 points · 3 months ago

I'd say this would kill VP if they weren't already dead.

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G2 Esports Fan3 points · 3 months ago

still got nuke cache and train... but uh... have fun with those other maps

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MIBR Fan15 points · 3 months ago

Some people complain about dust 2. But i think it will be fun because has been so long since we last saw it played in the pro scene.

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Splyce Fan88 points · 3 months ago

That stupid to have dust2 at epl finals.

The finals should have the same map pool as the online season.

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Renegades Fan21 points · 3 months ago

Put it this way, the offline season is like an extended qualifier where they are simply playing just to play on the big LAN, just like any other qualifier. If they implement it at Sydney, then it makes sense to do it at Dallas also.

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran4 points · 3 months ago

I mean it makes sense, if you have it at IEM Sydney you should also have it at any following up tournaments otherwise you are going to be having to worry about 8 maps instead of 7.

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mousesports Fan6 points · 3 months ago

Why?

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Fnatic Fan22 points · 3 months ago

Changing it up during the tournament doesn't make much sense when multiple teams got to EPL Finals and didn't reach EPL finals by playing Cobblestone.

And then they should play with a different map pool in the finals related to the online league?

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

Idk. I would agree with you if they were changing map pool mid-league, but adopting a different map for an entire segment of the tournament sounds ok to me

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5 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

When infernew had been added at the february of 2017 it was added to ESL PL mid-league tho and almost instantly. In bo1's veto it's not really that big of a deal if you think about, almost no harm if you don't want to play it.

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Welcome to the Clutch3 points · 3 months ago

Disagree. Teams have been playing cobblestone in the EPL online league and qualify for the finals as a result, I think the map pool should remain consistent throughout. Same for IEM Sydney as it is the same situation with the online qualifier. That said I'm very happy to see the back of cobblestone so honestly I'm not particularly bothered by this as a viewer.

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Fnatic Fan3 points · 3 months ago

The thing is, it's just 2 weeks until EPL Finals. Doesn't really make much sense to change the map pool.

If it was mid season of EPL I could see why they would change it up as Cobblestone wouldn't be practised by any teams close to the tournament anyways due to prioritising Dust 2.

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Renegades Fan1 point · 3 months ago

They're doing the same with IEM Sydney and the qualifiers for that.

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Astana Dragons Fan3 points · 3 months ago

Start the season with a certain map pool, you should finish it with that.

Changing it this late is just stupid.

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

Because they've been playing one map pool for an entire season and now the finals will have a different one? The league season should be considered part of the same "tournament" (and technically it is) and as such, it should be held with a consistent set of conditions throughout, as far as possible.

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OpTic Gaming Fan5 points · 3 months ago

Because they’ve been playing on the old map pool all season?

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Team Liquid Fan1 point · 3 months ago

So should ESL Belo horizante have cbbl as well since it was used in the online qualifier.

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12 points · 3 months ago

I'm ready for the smithzz comeback

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Time to get the ol' LDLC lineup back and running! Happy holding long and nbk holding b halls while kio/smithzz/shox make magic as T in middle...

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Guardian Elite111 points · 3 months ago

Teams complaining about not having time to learn the map. The core of the map hasn't changed. Some minor tweaks to angles but overall its still d2. Back to boring CS, I guess.

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Cloud9 Fan138 points · 3 months ago

I mean Cobble is pretty boring as well

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Guardian Elite67 points · 3 months ago

You have more potential for creative strats on cobble than D2. I don't know about you, but I remember how stale CS matches got on d2. They didn't actually change anything on the map other than a face lift.

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mousesports Fan4 points · 3 months ago

Cobble isn't boring but the tactics are beginning to die now because of long T rotates, B site being tough to hold and no real possibility for CT aggression.

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Team Liquid Fan27 points · 3 months ago

I didn't find Cobble that boring.

Mirage is pretty boring right now IMO.

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Guardian Elite12 points · 3 months ago

I think you could say that about the majority of competitive maps. I was kind of hoping they would bring in a new map entirely.

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Team Liquid Fan25 points · 3 months ago

Eh.

Nuke is super fun to watch tbh. Hopefully rotating Cobble out will bring in some more creative bans and we see nuke played a bit more.

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Guardian Elite2 points · 3 months ago

I've played a few pugs on the map lately and I think the changes they made help the map out dramatically. I hope it gets played more regularly too

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G2 Esports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

subzero would be insane to watch teams play

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Cloud9 Fan16 points · 3 months ago

Yup, I can’t play on mirage anymore, feels so stale to me.

Pistol: “Contact B”

First buy round: “Let’s just do A smokes” someone fucks up the jungle smoke and everyone gets killed crossing to site

Repeat for 10 rounds

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Splyce Fan44 points · 3 months ago

yeah i hate when pros do contact b every pistol and do A smokes in the first gun round with a fail smoke

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mousesports Fan47 points · 3 months ago

We are not talking about casual gaming here, cause that will apply to every single map

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mousesports Fan12 points · 3 months ago

There's a billion other things you could do.

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mousesports Fan7 points · 3 months ago

Maybe it is different in pugging for you but in terms of competitive 5v5 CS, Mirage is 10000x more tactically rich and strategically diverse than Cbbl.

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I can't decide which I dislike more.

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran13 points · 3 months ago

But those sick mid smokes!

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Cloud9 Fan5 points · 3 months ago

Many teams have had roster changes since the last time dust 2 was in competitive. Although all the players have countless hours on the map, the team has at best minimal practice on it. They'll have to put together executes and ct set ups in minimal time

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FaZe Clan Fan41 points · 3 months ago

CS is never boring, stop complaining

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Cloud9 Fan2 points · 3 months ago

Some minor tweaks to angles but overall its still d2.

I don't have anything installed right now, is there an overview of the most recent changes? (Or when were the most recent changes?)

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Guardian Elite5 points · 3 months ago

I'd refer to 3kliks for any map updates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJEYZZ6ZQf0

They've tweaked some box heights esp on A and middle. You can't really camp on A ramp like you used to. B really needed a rework and that was basically ignored.

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Natus Vincere Fan1 point · 3 months ago

Opening up the skybox is really T sided. So im thing about a window that you can throw utility to outside of b from and that a man cant throw and go in. So the best thing you can do is to molly/smoke door

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You can't complain when everyone's on the same level anyways. It's not like one team knew it was coming and started to practice the map months in advance.

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FaZe Clan Fan19 points · 3 months ago

Everyone complaining saying that Cobble was one of everyone’s favorites...um no. You’re most likely saying that because you REALLY want that Cobble Drop but frankly most pros in countless of interviews have said that they would remove Cobble from Active Duty if they could.

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every pro right now

24/7 bootcamping in d2 to learn smokes, flashes, grenades and molo

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Cloud9 Fan18 points · 3 months ago

I'm actually excited to see the new strats and innovations come into play. Hopefully it isn't an instaban every match up

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MIBR Fan15 points · 3 months ago

I have a hard time seeing innovative new strats being incorporated since the skyboxes are still so restrictive.

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Office Veteran5 points · 3 months ago

It's already slightly T sided, opened skyboxes would make it even more T sided

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran27 points · 3 months ago

Dust 2 and new strats.... Yeah okay

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Cloud9 Fan3 points · 3 months ago

Well, a change from the norms

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Ninjas in Pyjamas Fan10 points · 3 months ago

So the teams are gonna play on a different mappol they've played all season leading up to the LAN finals lol amazing decision.

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Cloud9 Fan3 points · 3 months ago

How about letting a new fuckin map in instead of this old played out shit.

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Astralis Fan4 points · 3 months ago

This is an interesting decision to use it at Sydney. I wonder how many teams will put a bunch of practice into this instead of other maps, or how many will just hope no one picks it and makes sure their other maps are well refined

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MIBR Fan4 points · 3 months ago

I am not looking forward to this change. I thought Cobble was an exciting map to watch, if not play, and it had a unique playstyle and afforded interesting executes.

D2 is... I don't know, played out? I don't think there'll be that much tactical depth to the map, just headshots. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, let's see if Valve was smart about this redesign.

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It's just so old is the problem. I have been playing that map for years and years, most other games that use different maps (Starcraft, Overwatch etc.) update and change them frequently.

CSGO needs new maps honestly.

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Astralis Fan17 points · 3 months ago

Is it really wise to let people have SEVEN days to practise D2?

Probably even less if you consider travelling home -> travelling to Sydney. Probably 5 day to practise a new map.

Im not sure if thats true

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FaZe Clan Fan74 points · 3 months ago

It’s not like it’s the most basic map of all time

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Summoner's Rift: The Map

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Mirage Veteran5 points · 3 months ago

there's not much to practice, maybe some flashes and angles rest is same as it always was :/

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Death Sentence10 points · 3 months ago

Well, the map came in november so teams had enough time to get a grip of it .

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Is it really wise to let people have SEVEN days to practise D2?

Right question should be, is it really wise to think dust2 will never return to competitive so teams never practised it for half a year?

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Astralis Fan3 points · 3 months ago

because practising 7 other maps isnt hard enough already

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Team LDLC Fan1 point · 3 months ago

why would they practice it?

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So they wouldn't be caught with their pants down and say "we never practiced it" - just like they do right now.

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Team LDLC Fan1 point · 3 months ago

that's not a reason to practice it. noone could have expected that they have to practice it for an event 7 days later

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Astralis Fan2 points · 3 months ago

good*

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran11 points · 3 months ago

new d2 is basically the same as old d2.

it was boring then, it will be boring now.

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FaZe Clan Fan25 points · 3 months ago

It cant get any more boring than Cobble

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Natus Vincere Fan11 points · 3 months ago

Yeah every round was one of 3 things. Pushing long to get a kill. If no lick you move back and hold plat and just put 2 on drop. And then you throw the exact same nades every round

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FaZe Clan Fan15 points · 3 months ago

And this is just half the issue. The afterplants on Cobble are so ridiculously difficult for the CTs that it encourages them to save more often than not, which makes the gameplay even more boring.

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Cloud9 Fan3 points · 3 months ago

LONG LIVE THE KING

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G2 Esports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

Yes

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Train Veteran2 points · 3 months ago

Just ensuring that Astralis win.

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Welcome to the Clutch2 points · 3 months ago

Pug stomp incoming

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

And here we go

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Astralis Fan2 points · 3 months ago

So we can look forward to a map that people know in an out

An aim (AWP) centric map, where CT can be aggressive without it always being -EV.

I like it. I just wish double doors would have no gab or a smaller one.

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Luminosity Gaming Fan2 points · 3 months ago

and so it begins...

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

Imo pro league finals should feature map pool teams played the whole season.

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2 points · 3 months ago

RIP VP

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Hydra2 points · 3 months ago

It's global conspiracy to go more frequently on nuke. ;}

lets the aim fest begin! :D

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iBUYPOWER Fan2 points · 3 months ago

aye smithz is back

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Team Astralis Fan2 points · 3 months ago

I'm a mere GN3 scrub but can anyone explain to me why Dust 2 isn't liked by some people? What are their concerns about it? I understand why it's controversial to have it in IEM Sydney, but I'm asking overall why some people don't like Dust 2.

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I like it, nice of ESL to spice things up :F

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Virtus.Pro Fan2 points · 3 months ago

Pretty shit time to change it tbh, but then again so is pretty much all of May and June, so I guess they might as well.

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FaZe Clan Fan4 points · 3 months ago

I’m down, anything FaZe can get we need

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Mirage Veteran2 points · 3 months ago

karrigan on dust2, yikes. I remember them watching mid from b window a lot which was terrible.

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TSM had a good run on d2 with karrigan

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FaZe Clan Fan3 points · 3 months ago

Karrigan only frags when no one else can, tell me something I don’t know.

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

mousesports - best ever team on this map (tradition). NOW THEY GO HUGE :D

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14 points · 3 months ago

without god denis and his right hand spiidolf they will do nothing

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mousesports Fan2 points · 3 months ago

I’d rather watch cobble than nuke

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5 Year Subreddit Veteran4 points · 3 months ago

I know let's add in a map that wasn't featured once the entire season and take out a map teams worked on to get wins in pro league. Smart idea!

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FaZe Clan Fan31 points · 3 months ago

Let’s add back the most iconic map ever and replace the one map that most pros have been asking to be removed from Active Duty!

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Office Veteran8 points · 3 months ago

Or you know... lets bring back the most famous CS:GO map and remove the 1 map that the vast majority of pro players agree should leave the map pool

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Dust 2 Veteran2 points · 3 months ago

POGGERS

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FaZe Clan Fan1 point · 3 months ago

I would have preferred that they wait until after EPL finals. Imo it doesn't make sense to play a 3 month qualifier with one map pool just to use a different one in the main event last second.

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the return of dust 2

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Astralis Fan1 point · 3 months ago

There's an ESL event?!

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Astralis Fan1 point · 3 months ago

RIP VP

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Also just in: de_rats replacing all bomb detonation maps starting with IEM Sydney.

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I see why virtus.pro didn't want to qualify for IEM Sydney, they saw it coming.

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I'm not too surprised by this, since the DS2 remake everyone has known it will re-enter the map pool. I'm not sure why they HAVE to replace a map with DS2 rather than just having all the maps open, I'm sure the pros can manage 8 maps over 7 (yes I know the pick/bans will leave one map unresolved). It makes sense Cobble being the one being replaced, Nuke is less played but it just had that refresher so i doubt Valve will want to pull it out of rotation yet. Mirage, Inferno, and Cache are too popular, this leaves Cobble, Train, and Overpass. I feel both Overpass and Train are solid maps, there is a lot strat variation and it's super hard to predict how the maps will go. This leaves Cobble. While I'm expecting DS2 to not be the most exciting, I am curious to see how the old strats hold up to the new map, maybe we'll get a pleasant surprise.

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Team Astralis Fan1 point · 3 months ago

Removing the permaban of Astralis from the pool...I like it :)

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So cobblestone is the next map to be remade?

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Mouz and Astralis just got even better, very scary

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I guess I'm the only person in this thread who enjoys watching dust 2

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Good choice, just rip out cobble ASAP like a band-aid, no point in staggering it.

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Inferno Veteran1 point · 3 months ago

Virtus Pro might have problem remaining a top 5 with this change

.......wait wrong year sorry

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HellRaisers Fan1 point · 3 months ago

I don’t understand why they would do that for Sydney but it makes sense for events past that.

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