S2E7- "The Gold Violin"
Air Date: 09/07/2008
Written By: Jane Anderson, Andre Jacquemetton, Maria Jacquemetton, Matthew Weiner
Directed By: Andrew Bernstein
What scene stood out as particularly significant to you?
What do you like/dislike about this episode?
Favorite quote from the episode?
Did you notice anything that you didn't before?
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It makes me excited to see that the community is still quite active on this subreddit, with in-depth conversations about the show still very common. I want to be able to take the energy that this fantastic community has and breathe some more life into the sub.
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As Peggy and Trudy exit the ladies room and approach Pete, Ken and Harry the camera cuts to Pete. He wears an expression of "Shit! The both of them together? That can't be good." It's a look of absolute nervousness.
I love this show. So much is said without even uttering a single word.
I was watching the season 5 finale “The Phantom” where Megan is in the Butler Shoes Sleeping Beauty commercial and I just noticed that when she was called to set and leaves Don they call her Ms. Calvet. I didn’t realize she kept her name for acting purposes, not that big of a deal but I was wondering if you think it was intentional that they didn’t call her Mrs. especially in front of her husband? I thought it might be of the many subtle references in this episode of this being a huge turning point in their marriage. What do you think?
I'm on my second re-watch and the loudness of the phones ringing sometimes makes me jump out of my damn skin. RIIINNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!! If I had to live with that IRL I'd probably answer with "WTF do you want?
" I need you and nothing else will do". This is the episode where we for the first time see Don get really out of control or in Don's words " his judgment becomes impaired". I think Sylvia was frightened by his behavior and the time she spent in that room allowed her to do a little introspection to see if she wanted to continue down this road. And, rightly so, she realized that she must go home now.
And, what could be the most intelligent reply of the show, Don says" it's easy to give up something when you're satisfied" and Sylvia retorts " It's easy to give up something when you're ashamed". But the question remains, did that line potentially break their relationship.
Sorry if I suddenly post a lot. I am doing rewatch #3.
From second #1 I just hate Glen (character and actor) and the scenes. I really feel like there is a better way they could have shown us more of Betty’s childlike thoughts, etc.
I'm almost done with my rewatch of the series and I'm more frustrated with Joan this time around than I've been in the past. "Benedict Joan" votes to fire Don because "I'm tired of him costing me money" - when he didn't even know about the public offering underway! And without him SCDP would not have been founded, and without SCDP Joan would still be at the republic of dresses.
Claiming that putting Don on a leave of absence was supposed to kindly send a message for him to find a new job - knowing full well he has a non-compete clause in his contract, so he couldn't go out and find a job unless he was actually bought out.
Yelling at Peggy in the elevator for commenting on her clothing choices after their disastrously sexist meeting with McCann re: Topaz - Joan has been negative toward Peggy almost Peggy's entire career. From telling Peggy to "stop dressing like a little girl" to "I thought you were just doing that to get close to Paul!" and yelling at her for firing Joey - I don't get why all of a sudden she is so offended Peggy finally talked back and criticized her.
I always really liked Joan but this time around I'm finding her immature and frustrating. Anyone else feel this way? I would like to be convinced to find her compelling again! I used to really like her character arc.
We all have years that we look back on fondly, and years that we care to forget. It's a personal association, often determined by countless variables that we unconsciously weigh, and they're usually undeterminable by others because 1) they aren't you, and 2) no one studies you that deeply (I presume). It may or may not be a time of the most accomplishment or worst heartache..it's rather a feeling of optimism and pessimism…a feeling of “that was a good/bad year.”
Since we've been lucky enough to ride along in this in-depth character study of a show, let's step into the shoes of each of the main characters and give it a shot. Based on how you interpret what they consciously or unconsciously value AT THAT TIME (we all change, so I’m not talking from a retrospective view, but more so in the moment), which season(s) would you consider to be a glorious prime, and which season(s) would you consider one's rock-bottom?
Was it the season he/she became rich? Was it the season he/she won the most business? Was it the season he/she was married? What is happiness, contentment, success, etc to each of them, and do they even value it? Is it peak confidence? Is the nadir at the most vulnerable? I suppose that's up to you and how you have interpreted them.
And yes, it's very likely that some if not all have had higher peaks outside of the show's timeframe. And there are probably highs/lows in specific episodes. To keep it more precise and less speculative, I'm just asking from the perspective of what we've seen from a seasonal perspective...but if you'd like to add more imaginative color - by all means!
Peak - Season 1. While not the most exciting Draper (to us), he's closest to what I see as one of his highest peaks (off-screen)..when he was rising prodigy at Sterling Cooper. He's winning business, not too much turmoil in his relationship, has his affairs which are still covert, has people's respect yet is still a mystery (the only vulnerability with that was Pete - who was put in his place, and Adam - who, well, took care of it himself). He was still the IT guy everyone wanted to be without everyone butting into his affairs.
Valley- Season 6. I mean...
Peak - Season 2? Leaves his unhappy marriage and is riding high with Jane. Work is fine and he is relieved of his financial stress from the divorce by PPL. No beef/jealousy with Don, no heart attacks, no oyster vomit...seems like a decent time to be Roger.
Valley - Season 4. Becoming less and less important as Pete is becoming the face of Accounts, distancing from Jane, brief fling with Joan but ends up being rejected. Loses Lucky Strike. Bummer that the best season is likely his lowest (although his nuance probably contributed to high quality of show as a whole).
Peak - Season 5? While not a perfect season for her (some iffy presentations, undervalued at SCDP, expecting a proposal), her relationship seems to be heading in a positive direction, she is still a rising star in the creative world and it manifests in her taking a new gig and getting out from under Don's shadow. Could also say season 4 since it's kind of her "independence season" but there seems to be more turmoil.
Valley – Season 6 perhaps? Doing well professionally on some levels (Heinz ketchup) but also a lot of personal turmoil (stabs her boyfriend, Ted). Plus back to SCDP.
Peak – Season 1 or 2? Seems like relatively quiet seasons for her and she accomplishes more in other seasons, but the latter are also filled with their own turmoil. She seems fairly content early on with the life she thought she wanted and thought she was going to get. From an accomplishment standpoint, I could see herself being very proud of herself in season 7…but a lot of bad had to happen to get there.
Valley – Season 3. A lot of her well-being is saddled to Greg, and we saw how that went. Perhaps Season 4 or 5 as well, since the Greg situation overflowed into it and she was having respect issues at work…and then Jaguar. Middle seasons were especially tough for Joan.
Peak – Season 4. Assumed partner duties, became arguably the first or second most important figure to SCDPs growth, had a baby, home life was good and his career stock was skyrocketing.
Valley – Season 5 – confidence at an all-time low. Still doing well for SCDP, but most of the season is basically focused on his vulnerability. Could also be season 6, but he seems more defiant and confident there, and is given more recognition in the workplace.
How do you see it?