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reddit recently added (nearly) side-wide HTTPS encryption. You can, and should, set your preferences to use HTTPS by default at http://goedhartvoordieren.nl/?page=prefs/security.

However, if you go to https://www.np.reddit.com, your browser will probably give you a huge scary warning that you're possibly being hacked, because reddit's SSL certificate is not valid for that domain. It's better to point your links to np.reddit.com, regardless of whether the particular URL you're typing is HTTP or HTTPS, because users who have HTTPS enabled with be redirected to the https:// version anyway and with np.reddit.com they won't get the huge scary warning.

People have been treating these domains interchangeably and it hasn't really mattered before, but now np.reddit.com is better (at least in terms of the HTTPS issue).

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So you're supposed to use NP when you link to other reddit threads, right? Why is it okay that /r/ShitRedditSays literally forces people to not use them?

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If someone links to one of my posts on a subreddit that I don't subscribe to or frequent and I get notified about it, I feel like it should be okay for me to comment or vote on it anyways since it's my content being shared on that subreddit.

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Well, this is sad time to be a Redditor.

Reddit claims "Our mission is to help people discover places where they can be their true selves, and empower our community to flourish."

Turns out that posting intelligent and logically sound explanations and opinions will get you on the NP list of r/worldnews. My initial response regarding relevancy, which I later explained in greater detail, is a factual statement supported by State and Federal Rule of Discovery. My second post was a personal opinion, which ironically, is further validated by the existence of r/noparticipation. The fact that I would be placed on the NP list of a sub that prides itself on bringing current world events in a truthful, non-biased manner is hypocritical considering my posts were fact-based and contributed to the conversation. This sub is also hypocritical because any form of censoring would prevent someone from being "their true selves." However, I am not against certain forms of censoring and believe it is necessary at times; even Freedom of Speech has its limitations.

Accordingly, there are only two explanations for my newly found position on the NP list: 1) placement on the NP list is indiscriminately chosen by the amount of upvotes/downvotes a Redditor receives/gives within in single thread (which is always a terrible way to go about handing out bans); or 2) due to my comments I was deemed a "alt right conservative" and/or "Trump Supporter" and was banned for my alleged political beliefs. I hope #1 is true for the sake of integrity, especially coming from r/worldnews. However, the existence of r/noparticipation is a slippery slope for a site that advertises its mission as being a place for people to be "their true selves."

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I'll vote where I want, when I want. Thanks.

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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I followed a link off the front page and, after reading the link, decided to upvote the main response in the thread. Then I bet THREATENED with a ban because of some unclear NoParticipation crap that I know nothing about. If you are going to ban people you should make it obvious that they are about to do something you don't approve of and you should provide some kind of warning.

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Posted byu/[deleted]9 months ago

I simply saw a post on my reddit feed and clicked the comments and wanted to participate by adding a comment. I noticed the message telling me not to participate and I clicked the link to the explanation and while I understand the intention behind it, I don't understand how it works.

How in the world am I not allowed to see a link on my main page and provide a comment? What's the problem here? If I'm not supposed to leave a comment then why are there already hundreds of other comments posted? Why were they allowed to comment and I am not? I would love to understand, but I would also like to be able to engage with the reddit community as intended without being banned for literally no good reason at all. Please help me understand.

Thanks in advance.

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Posting links to other reddit posts can get you banned for vote manipulation? I do not understand that. Sure if you were posting a link to another one of your own posts or comments asking for upvotes, that seems like vote manipulation. For a subreddit that soley exists on linking to other subreddits it makes a bit of sense but even then doesn't every redditor have the right to vote on any post they want? To me this just seems to discourage participation which is like the opposite of what reddit's about. It's just a chicken shit way of creating "safe space". If people don't want 'outsiders coming into their established community', maybe move your community from the website that is one of the most popular in the world, or make your subreddit private?

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A bot on the forum I frequent often deletes my posts because my links aren't np. So I google and find this reddit, but no explanation of how to make an np. link. No explanation here either: http://goedhartvoordieren.nl/?page=r/NoParticipation/wiki/intro After trying to insert it before the https, then after, then after the www., I just gave up several times in the past. I finally worked out that you have to delete the www. and insert np. in its place.

Perhaps I'm a dummy, and there's a simple way to do it, or an explanation somewhere, but can't you just put these instructions in a sticky at the top, or on the wiki page?

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I have been wondering since my first time here why I used to get this weird "You have been linked to a read-only..." message at most subreddits. I seemed to be unable to find out what my crime was. First I thought it might be because I was new here - but it just didn't go away. I couldn't find any relation to subreddits' RSS feeds I had subscribed to or any other useful info. Until I noticed that somehow it had subscribed to the RSS feed on np.reddit.com which resulted in any link I opened from my reader sent me straight to NP. After changing the source away from NP (no idea how I got there) reddit became actually useful after all. I therefore agree that NP is utter shit. It's about the most idiotic, incomprehensible and user-hostile hack I have ever seen and should be destroyed, cursed, banned and it's source code deleted forever!

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For the last week, I've posted and commented on Reddit Conspiracy and The Donald, but my karma points are "frozen." On the Conspiracy sidebar it says "read only." One of the mods there told me it could be an admin issue - However, I've received no warnings and did nothing (crazy votimg, etc) to my knowledge. How do I resolve this?

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So I was just about to copy a URL for someone, and I realized that I was on np.reddit probably due to clicking some link earlier. The issue is that I was in a completely different subreddit that I got to by using My Subreddits tab, I did not access it via a link. The np domain carried over even outside of the link I clicked.

Is manually checking my URL the only way to actually see if I'm on public reddit or np.reddit? Does this mean that any posts I've made in the last however many hours are effectively invisible?

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If it's a rule that ends up banning violators, maybe they should enforce it automatically with appropriate programming of the website so that all links to other posts have the np prefix and users who follow links can't vote. Geez, why do I even need to point this out?

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By allowing people to not vote by the way of how they feel about something is the same thing as enforcing hug boxes/safe spaces.

It is unfortunate that a post or comment can be voted into the ground, but voting is a way of showing how you feel about something.

If you use the argument that you should comment before you downvote, then you are going to just get people saying, this is dumb, or making the exact same arguments over and over again. We have upvotes because everyone saying the same positive feedback is not useful either.

Voting allows you to say that you agree or disagree with a post or comment instead of just repeating the same points over and over again without getting a point based weighting system to operate functionally.

If someone wants to comment, they will. Most people do not comment because they find that doing so provides them very little satisfaction and that voting is good enough for them.

Voting on something just because of identity politics however is a different story. If you genuinely disagree for reasons you feel are valid, then down voting should be just fine.

Enforcing safe spaces is just ridiculous. If people want safe spaces so much, they can make the sub-reddit operate differently such as you have to request to join or comment a certain amount before they are allowed to vote like most forums do.

Reddit is a kind of forum that is just too massive however to allow for hug boxes and safe spaces where people can't vote how they want to vote.

If these type of rules keep happening, reddit will just become another tumbler where there is a digg like exodus to a better platform that doesn't do this nonsense.

People want to act like real humans, not like censored humans.

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The whole "reddit will ban u if u participate :)))" thing is full of shit, this is a RES function, not something built into reddit itself. This shit is, in fact, encouraging vote brigading, not eliminating it.

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Why not disable voting entirely when viewing np links? Right now, we have some subs with custom CSS to block voting (but that's overridden by my Gold theme), creepy threats of bans in the rules that have some users scared of accidentally voting, and RES is pretty passive-aggressive about telling me not to vote.

We are conditioned to vote every time we see the arrows. If we shouldn't vote, don't give us arrows, regardless of subreddit or CSS. The current np links are a half-measure.

Furthermore, the NP wiki makes it sound criminal to post links without NP. Again, this is nuts when all links could be converted to np links automatically. Then the problem is solved with a few lines of code, which is more reasonable than expecting a few million users to comply with an optional rule.

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find a way to shut down TotesMessenger, it's bullshit about not voting is causing all the voting you want to prevent, plus it spams every goddamn thread that I ever post between the same damn subs for the same damn game.

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Hey, i realize this NP feature is pretty important to some people, but i upvote posts to basically "mark them as read", now if that is breaking rules, i'd really like an alternative that is as easy as upvoting, maybe a middlevote #idunnoman...

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I still don't understand what this is or why it is in place. I was reading a link about how the military and media are lying to the public about what is really going on. I started to read some comments and found a comment I liked and hit the upvote button. Immedietely I'm presented with this warning that voting for a comment I liked that was posted 8 hours ago, may get me banned from reddit? WTF?

Many will try to defend this by quoting the 'rules' of reddit, but all I see is a site doing what it said it would never do, and that's filter content or prevent people from commenting if the hive mind doesn't like your comment. I thought reddit was a place to go where you can speak your mind and comment without fear of getting banned like we were on a private game server and got caught cheating.

It says I shouldn't vote on anything, but goddamnit I'm not removing my vote on a comment that I thought was relevant. I didn't post my own comment and I didn't downvote or upvote any other comment, so why am I being threatened with a ban for agreeing with someone in the discussion?

Reddits rules are changing for the worse it seems. I get that you have to protect against trolls and what not, but at the same time you are segragating the site into their own cliques which no outsiders can see or comment on. If I want to tell a hardcore christian follower that god isn't real, I should be able to do so. There are lines that shouldn't be crossed, I get that, like replying 'dick' to every comment in a thread, but that's not what most of us are doing.

I dunno, I'm not removing my upvote regardless of what your rules say. If I want to upvote a pro Nazi comment, It's my damn right. You take these rights away from people and you lose the originality that got reddit it's fame in the first place. You may as well just set up a subscription fee and make people pay to join subreddits while displaying their real names, because that's how you are treating us now.

If that post was supposed to be NP, why the hell where there so many comments and votes already? Is this NP thing really just discrimination against me and other users because somehow the points that don't matter actually DO matter but only in a hidden way? Do I not have enough points or pro-topic comment upvotes to be able to upvote this comment on this thread? I want to know what gives.

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Posted byu/[deleted]2 years ago

Everything about this policy sounds reasonable except for the shadowbanning. Why not just temp-ban real users and let them know the nature of the infraction? If they continue to abuse NP lists, then perma ban them.

Shadow banning seems nonsensical in this situation. What if a hapless user, unaware of the NP system, continuously posts non-NP links in a subreddit? Shadowbanning her for such an offense does nothing to educate the user on the nature of the infraction, and unfairly restricts her access to reddit for violating rules she may not have been aware of.

Edit: Oh I get it, the devs thought this would become a widely used feature, but it's implementation never really took off. I had no idea this had been around for a while, this is my first time hearing of it.

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How do the devs feel about the fact that their waste of time software doesn't do anything? Like, at all. Ever.

To that point. Why would you even write software that is exactly the opposite of what Reddit is supposed to b about about? (That, again, does not even work for its intended purpose.)

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Can anyone tell me the following;

  1. What is the point?
  2. How do you deal with that fact that it doesn't work?
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By simply being lead to a specific post on reddit I am gaining knowledge I would not have otherwise known about. This is EXACTLY the same as gaining knowledge from a subreddit that is not a default subreddit.

"Vote brigading" is what your website is all about. Simply being able to add subreddits to the front page enables this by default. So in essence you are actually breaking your own rules in this case.

I disagree that someone should "Not Participate" in another subreddits conversation. Specially if I am already subbed to that subreddit.

If you really didn't want this there would be no main page for reddit where multiple subreddits share the same space.

How many times have I been linked to another subreddit from another subreddit? Probably thousands of times if not more. In fact I would not be vegan right now if I was not allowed to participate like this rule is suggesting.

Every single rule in your "reddiquette" about post's is broken every day by people. In fact most of the time I see down to the exact lettering what you ask people NOT to do.

When people type, "lol" or, "I came here to say this" they are sharing and its meaningful. They are sharing a feeling. Feelings are very meaningful. To say otherwise is to demean the human condition.

If someone says, "lol" another way of saying it might be, "I found this profoundly funny and will have a much better day because of it. I tip my Fedora in your general direction" they are both extending the exact same sentiment. Both however are against "reddiquette" rules because neither of them (in your rules) adds anything meaningful to the conversation. They do however extend the feelings of those people which is meaningful.

You seem to want to only have people contribute facts and information in their post's. This will not happen ever, not while we still have emotions and opinions.

When you are asking people to not downvote a post because you disagree with it is like asking a person to completely shut off their emotions and look at it objectively. While I want this type of thing myself it is a very hard thing for a human to do.

In the end it seems you want a bunch of computers talking to other computers and not humans talking to other humans.

Perhaps there should be buttons for, "I feel the same way." or a, "I dislike the content of your message." Either way something needs to be done.

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