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[–]lohkeytxNorthern Gaming 1 point2 points  (9 children)

what incentive is there for a consistent high C2/C3 player to play with someone that can't hold Champ 1 in 3's?

If you "know you can play at champion level" then regardless of the water-heads you get as randoms you should be able to hold champ 1 in 3's.

If talking unranked, then i can see that happening.

[–]PlatnissEverdeenThe Promised Land[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Do you even read my post? I want to play with players that are better than me. It would make me better. I would still be playing in games that I can win, it's not like we'd get destroyed every game. The longer you stay around certain people the more you become like them. Last night I played in a tournament with two diamond 3's (1 being me), three champion 2's (two of them being div 2 and 3) and a champ 3. We were 2-2 and then we lost the last game. Early this morning I played solo standard. The enemy team had two players who were champ 3 in regular 3v3, and the other one was mid c2 (they were c3 division 4 last season). My teammates were both c3. I was d3 div 4. We lost by 1 goal. It was a close game. If I can play against that then why am I stuck in d3? Idk.

and just for context, I've held champion in doubles for a long time. I don't even remember the last time I was diamond.

The incentive for them is to help me get better.

Your teammates can mean losing or winning sometimes. I can play at a champion level, but maybe my team can't. I believe there is a very small skill gap between some ranks. D3 Div 4 and C1 div 1 or 2 isn't that much of a difference, but there must be something they are doing slightly better. Since the skill gap is so small, that's why it's hard for me to just 'get back to champ and stay there' even though I have proven I can play at that level, and higher. Sometimes if you're team isn't playing on the level you can play on, it's hard to try and do everything yourself because you aren't much better than them. If I was playing on a c3 level then I could carry because the skill gap is huge.

I want to play at the absolute highest level I possibly can without getting hammered and losing 7-1. That's why I want to play with people higher ranked than me. I would say most people can compete at around 1-2 ranks higher than their own, maybe winning if their team8s are playing well. That's why I wanted to play with better people.

I want to play with and against people higher ranked than me, but still be able to win.

Sounds more fun to me than playing with d3 and c1 because it's trash.

I want to be in a quality game. A bronze game has no quality; it's full of nothing but whiffs and slow people.

However the quality of a GC game is much better; good touches, passes, little whiffs, fast gameplay.

That's what I mean by quality. I'm tired of playing games that are just bad.

All I was asking for is, IF someone out there wants to play with me then that would be cool.

Idk if im making sense to you but, It makes sense to me.

[–]lohkeytxNorthern Gaming 0 points1 point  (7 children)

If I can play against that then why am I stuck in d3? Idk.

On that point. That is part of the reason. You try to blame teammates for your not ranking. If you can play against what? a room full of higher ranked people and you all lost? That proves little to nothing. lol

2's and 3's are fundamentally different. Just like 1's and 2's. don't compare ranks there. Arguably easier to rank up in 2's than other playlists.

Stop blaming your teammates and adapt. Or keep blaming them and think you have to play with people way above your rank because you think that you're at that level so you get carried (regardless of what you think) to a higher rank.

My advise would be to pull your head out of your ass with thinking "i can play at a champion level blah blah blah" and learn to adapt to your teammates instead of putting yourself on some pedestal like you're better than them. newsflash... you're same rank so you really really aren't because you can't hold champ1.

all this entire bullshit is stating is basically you want a high skilled player to hold your hand into higher ranks rather than YOU improving. I sincerely hope you find no higher ranked people to carry you.

[–]PlatnissEverdeenThe Promised Land[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I can't play at champ level? Look at this solo standard game I played about an hour ago. Wayprotein and Enderthunder are both GC in standard 3v3, Muck is c2. : https://gyazo.com/988f4feed798be1a5b8213326c5901d4

[–]lohkeytxNorthern Gaming 0 points1 point  (2 children)

this shows literally nothing. I have a screenshot of beating Kronovi hiding around somewhere when i was champ 2. doesn't mean i'm god tier GC. Share the replay. Pictures mean nothing

[–]PlatnissEverdeenThe Promised Land[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

actually, no. I'm not going to share the replay because I played worse than usual. But still managed to win, though. and managed to make a crucial save right after being demoed that kept us from losing. I also scored a pass from my teammate and scored the overtime goal. Felt kinda like a normal game to me. nothing crazy.

[–]lohkeytxNorthern Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mhmmmmm. bottom line is if you were a champ 2 player you'd easily be able to maintain champ 1 at least. regardless of the teammates. countless others (including myself) do this solo Queuing.

[–]PlatnissEverdeenThe Promised Land[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And FYI, I just got champ in solo standard, and got my champ back in standard about 30 min ago. Also, I don't want to get "carried" by a higher ranked player. If I play with higher ranked people it will benefit me because I will be exposed to higher level of play, which will help me improve. And I don't always blame my teammates. Sometimes I do something that I know is wrong, and it leads to us getting scored on.

[–]lohkeytxNorthern Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first off, grats on both. In solo Standard getting champ+ turns that playlist into nothing but pain. I am champ 2 in it and stopped playing because the Q is insanely long and i end up getting in a match with mid diamonds. the loss of points are... killer.

[–]HelvetiaGamingChampion II for 2 games 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you. On some days i can easily keep up with C2-low C3 players, but on other days im barely a diamond. A lot comes down to consistency in those higher ranks i think.

[–]IntelligentJibberishChampion II 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m currently C2 but when I play with friends I’ve seen us get beat by platinums. Sometimes your playstyle just isn’t working with certain teammates or your opponents are doing things you’re struggling with defending. Either way, look at your replays of won and lost games and see where you’re going right and where you’re going wrong. I’ll jump in some 1v1s and party chat with you too if you want we can see how it goes. PSN - iamjoshh_ hope this helps man.

[–]wziard_Wow this is hard 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What kind of people are you getting that you don't like, and what isn't working for you in those games that you want to be doing better?

[–]PlatnissEverdeenThe Promised Land[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's just that I want good teammates to play with. People that are actually consistent and play good. I know c1 and c2 is inconsistent, and a GC would say that they're not really that good. I want to play with people who are actually 'good'. In high ranks they do passing plays and stuff and I want to be doing that. People at this level don't. From my experience if they do try and pass it's not a very good one, and sometimes I wonder if they are even trying to pass to me, which messes me up sometimes.

Second question: I miss shots that a GC would always score, sometimes I'm a bit too far up when my teammates are in the enemy half. Shot accuracy ties into the first thing I said. Idk I mean, If I had really good m8s playing with me then they could give better passes and it would be easier for me to score. I want to be able to carry d3 and get out of that rank for good. I guess adapting to my teammates would help? I've started to try and look at peoples cars right before they hit the ball so I can be in a better position to strike. The problem with all of this is that I'd have to be like c3 to carry a d3 game. That would take some time.

[–]lohkeytxNorthern Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is a troll right?

[–]BaumgartnerDotaKBM 2,3k hours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

analyze your own gameplay, i mostly soloQueued my way up there :)

[–]ytzi13Grand Champion 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you're getting stuck in a rank then you're probably not playing right. No one expects anyone to carry. Your teammates and your opponents are selected from the same pool of players, so if you take that logic and apply yourself to it, then only thing really affecting your rank is the level that you are playing with. Some games your teammates will carry you and others they'll let you down. Your consistent level of play is still where you end up.

My #1 advice would be to change your perspective. Your goal is to get to a certain rank and you seem to think that it's your teammates holding you back. Instead, worry about how you're playing and how you can best adapt to your teammates and what their perceived strengths and weaknesses are. That's how you win games, that's how you become a better player, and that's especially how you rank up in solo queue.

Everyone seems to have this belief that set teammates are the only way to improve and go up in rank. But those players always want to party up with players at levels they can't get to themselves. On the other hand, while it may not be true for everyone, I've always found the opposite to be true. I've never been able to go anywhere with a team, regardless of their level, and every single time I've reached a new level in this game it was due to me solo queueing. Hell, I spent the majority of this season with a regular team - good players by all accounts - and we just couldn't climb. Then I started solo queueing and remembered how much easier the game felt. I solo queued to GC for the first time in standard this past weekend and got the rewards as well. Some of those games I was really uncomfortable and had to change my play-style in ways that only let me earn around 200 points, which was way lower than my teammates, but we would keep winning. Then, I faced off against those same players and adapted and I kept beating them.

My point is that you should be looking at what you're doing each game and learn how to adapt best you can. Set little goals and feel good about accomplishing those, win or lose, and you'll improve faster. Playing with higher level players could certainly be beneficial, but it can also hurt you. Those players will be better at cleaning up after your mistakes and filling in holes that you make, and you'll be learning how to play at a level that might not work at your own. Rank is a staircase and you need to hit every step if you want to fill in the holes in your game. You may even be able to hang at a rank 1 or 2 above you to some extent, but it doesn't mean that you're really at that level.

And if you don't know what you need to work on, find a coach or post a replay at r/RocketLeagueAnalysis

[–]PlatnissEverdeenThe Promised Land[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the info.