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Wormwood Discussion - Chapter 6: Remember Me


Thanks to Seymour Hersh, Eric finally learns the truth -- but at a maddening cost. In room 1018A, Frank faces off with two mysterious men.


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I came to Wormwood after I finished watching the Staircase, which was interesting in subject matter but watching it was...eh for me? Ended up mostly just listening to it cause nothing kept my attention in the imagery.

How the first episode of Wormwood was presented, with the psychadelic-like effects and repetition and stuff, is rly bad for me but it was the first documentary in a while that had interviews that didn't actively push my eyes to another tab while watching it. The light, the pauses, the angles are just....good as fuck.

Wondering if anyone else thought these shots were unique? Or if they're not, give me more documentaries like this?

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Not sure if this sub is active enough to answer this question, but my question is how did he actually react on LSD? In the actual film they show him in the forest and wading in the lake, but did he actually do these things? The only information they give about him is that he was “laughed at” but I am just curious to know what his actual actions were and why they were laughable to his colleagues.

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Olson’s wife and the martini-making Colonel were a little too tight. She knew or was told after the fact that this was a CIA cover up and to keep her kids quiet and keep them from asking too many questions or they would all end up dead. I think she was keeping a lid on it, and I think Eric was in denial of the truth there. She seemed too frightened to even ask questions due to some unspoken threat. After the settlement, when it looked like the sons were ramping things up again, her daughter, grandson and son-in-law died in a plane crash. I don’t know if the CIA orchestrated this, but you can sure bet it was implied to her to keep a lid on things. Note how it was only after her death that they exhumed their dad’s body. Perhaps the only thing that saved Eric was his publicity.

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Hi, just watching Wormwood on Netflix and for some reason, when the son is talking in interviews, the interviewer has his hands slightly in the air, just hovering. Am I going crazy? Or has someone else picked up on this too? Any reason why??

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Does anyone know the name of the song at the end of the episode?

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For those of you who have taken LSD before, is the way the effects are portrayed in Wormwood accurate? I’ve heard it doesn’t make you hallucinate in the way we think of most often, it just makes you see weird colours, but I have no personal experience. Thanks in advance.

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I watched this last night with a friend. We couldn't decide if Eric's interviews were being shot on a set or inside a building. Anyone know the answer to this?

I didn't think it looked like a set but keeping all that natural light fairly regular seems hard. That said, I noticed that the lighting on Eric's face does change at times in the series

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Wormwood strives to uncover the truth about the CIA, LSD experiments, and the mysterious death of a family man in 1953. Let the conspiracy theories run wild. Ask me anything.

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This was so well made it's insane. The running Hamlet metaphor. The cinematography. The editing. The question of whether "ignorance is bliss" or "knowledge is power". The love story of a father and son. Man. Sorry, I know this is a relatively worthless post since you've all seen it, but I just had to verbally spew my to let off some of the contents of my flooded brain.

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Seymour Hersh is talking to Errol Morris at around 17:50 and says the name Frank and his mouth moves after that, but is clearly muted. I would assume he would say Olsen, but it doesn't look like it. Any ideas?

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I was very intrigued by this miniseries and the subject matter. I also was a huge fan of the cinematography, acting, and editing. All that aside, Netflix lists each episode as P1:E1, P1:E2 etc. etc. Does that mean there is more to come? Also, the interface looks like you change "seasons," but when you try you can only pick "chapters 1-6." Thoughts?

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30 minutes in and it’s incredible. The scene where frank is dosed is so unnerving and subtle. Love it!

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Where does Eric's brother Nils stand on this whole story? I'm sure he would like to know the truth, but has accepted that it may never be known and moved on?

I certainly understand Eric's dogged search for the truth but to what end? He eloquently points out that any answer, even if it is the whole truth, will not greatly assuage the impact that this event has had on his family's life, especially his.

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LSD does not kick in (especially not to the extent shown in the reenactment) in 5 minutes. It really bugs me when tv and movies depict most drugs as instant-acting substances

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[](C.I.A.; What Did the C.I.A. Do to His Father? https://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/01/magazine/cia-what-did-the-cia-do-to-his-father.html)

I just read this article from the NYT Magazine written in 2001 by a prominent investigative journalist who knew Eric Olsen at Harvard (not Sy Hersh.) It is a detailed accounting of exactly what is in the Morris film, with some added details. Basically, nothing new was uncovered after the NY DA investigation, which is covered in the article. . But there is one detail missing from Morris' film, which is in this piece : the name of the mafia family most likely to have provided the muscle. Could this be Sy Hersh's secret source?

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In ep 5 or 6, they refer briefly to other folks getting thrown out of windows around the same general time that Frank Olson did, but they didn't explore any of them. (I wish they had, although I understand that might have been too much of a diversion.)

Does anybody have any info on those other events, or whether anyone has credibly linked them to the same policies / procedures that led to Olson's death?

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Really hard to do. This would have been so much better (and shorter) if the interviews and archival footage clips would have been the sole focus. The reenactments of what could have happened were just superfluous and really kind of bogged down what could have been more streamlined discussion of the issues at hand. Side note: Sy Hersh seemed to just be lying and saying what he did to remain an integral part of the story. It was rather lame that Morris didn't push him more on this issue.

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"The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter." (Rev 8:10–11)

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