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level 1

Ok, so that's what you want. But the way the game works, you need at least a couple hybrids.

I can tell you your min/max mages would definitely rather have a boomkin than another mage because of crit aura. Ditto for warlocks and a shadow priest.

Have fun telling your 15th warrior who just wants to play fury like all the rest of them because he heard they scale the best that he has to be the nightfall bitch because you won't let a ret pally, enhancement shaman, or survival hunter into your raid who can use it without feeling the DPS loss as much.

Not having those hybrid raid buffs means your min/maxer DPS won't work at their top potential and they'll be looking to jump to another guild that leverages hybrids appropriately. If you're trying to attract the meter-topping DPS you say you are, you're looking for people who want to make top parses. Top parses need a correctly assembled raid group, for which you're not going to have the ingredients.

Oh, and it'll take you a year to gear your raid appropriately because everyone's competing for the same gear.

Not to mention the content isn't difficult enough to warrant this type of raid stacking in the first place. But no, I'm sure your raid group won't crumble under the weight of your own ego. You'll be fine.

level 2
9 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

There's a great quote describing what you're arguing: “You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.” - Daniel Moynihan

This stuff was theory crafted to death on both vanilla live and private servers. Boomkin critical aura bonus does not make up for boomkin poor dps and ooming. Shadow priests are completely ineffective, you can have a holy priest spec into shadow weaving and keep the buff while healing. Improved weapon totems in the shaman tree is utterly worthless. Ret pally bring nothing to the table. Nightfall is vastly better in the hands of a warrior or hunter since they can spam instant abilities for vastly better debuff uptime. Hybrids are mechanically strictly worse in every way while bringing no unique utility.

And your itemization argument doesn't even hold. It's not like there's a bunch of spell damage leather just rotting on the vine where you could gear a boomkin quickly, they're in competition for the same offset items as the mages and locks. Bringing hybrids slows down guild gearing since you give gear to classes that don't scale nearly as well as pures.

You talk about ego? Ego is wanting 39 people to put up with your bullshit so you can spam Starfire or sit there auto attacking and waiting for SoC procs.

This is why and many other on this forum keep advocating for Blizz to continue to iterate on class design during Classic. I WANT to live in a world where every raid wants a boomkin and an enhance and a shadow priest, but that's not the place vanilla was in at the end of its life. It was moving in that direction, but it did not get there. No amount of wishing or shoving your head in the sand will change that, only Blizz fixing the game will.

level 3

I never said I wanted the hybrid specs to stay terrible. I'm all for Blizz making balance changes to Vanilla in 1.13 onward because as someone who mained Balance for most of his raiding career I want to be brought to AQ40 without raid leaders like you getting Mage envy. You're an idiot if you think a good raid comp is stacking pure DPS and warriors for damage dealing when the content doesn't necessitate it. It really doesn't.

My point is that you shouldn't disregard the hybrid DPS specs in 1.12 progression raiding as they sit now just because they're lower numbers than the pures.

And why would you have a "holly" priest spec into shadow weaving when you can just bring a talented shadow priest instead of a shitty healer? The healer gives up too many talent to get to SW. Now who's feeling entitled to facts?

level 4
4 points · 1 month ago

The talented shadow priest will still do terrible DPS so many raids would rather have one of their healers apply the debuff. They will then use the spriest spot for a class that actually deals some damage.

level 2
2 points · 1 month ago

The boomkin buff is not worth it. Your raid's DPS will be higher with another mage.

Raids will want shadow weaving if 16 debuff slots are available but often raids will just have one of their healing priests spec for it. Since spriest dps is terrible they rather have a sub par healer who weaves in the debuff

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