RESPOND TO YOUR BAN EFFECTIVELY
The most common cause for not understanding rules or mod actions is that something was not read which should have been.
If you've been directed to this page because of a ban, please take the time to read this page BEFORE firing off a response to moderators. This information has been put here to help you. You should also take the time to review the situation and perhaps re-read any of the following;
- the removal notice response to your comment or post which set this into motion
- any ban notice you may have been sent
- any other communications to you from the moderators (including automod) which pertain
- site and subreddit rules
Rule Violations and the Ban Chain
NOTE: This subreddit may ban for a first and only offense. Whether you were given a prior warning or not has no impact on your ban or its appeal.
Causes for Acceleration to a Permanent Ban
- offenses such as (but not limited to) threats of violence, harassment, doxxing, brigading, dietary activism, or cases of egregious personal attacks
- responses which are antagonistic, intentionally rude, and/or involves additional rule violations
- being argumentative and demanding
- editing of prior comments as a way to sidestep a ban / rule enforcement or any other actions made in an attempt to sidestep a ban / rule enforcement
- moderator discretion
Discussion of Bans
Moderators and Admin will not discuss the circumstances of a person's ban with anyone else. One person's ban is only open for discussion between that same person, the moderators, and Admin (if necessary). This policy is for the protection of anyone who has been or may be banned.
Can my ban be appealed?
Those banned for repeat spam / self-promotion may not appeal their bans.
Keep in mind;
- DO NOT just fire off a knee jerk response to the moderators. It will most likely have negative consequences and end any chance to appeal.
- Have some self-awareness about the situation. For example, if you've been intentionally rude, combative, or antagonistic as part of the rule violation or within your communications, you won't make a successful case that you meant well. It will be a waste of your time to pretend insulting someone was a way of being nice or helpful
- from the moderator perspective something happened which violated the rules. Enter this conversation understanding there are multiple points of view to this; yours, the other person's (if the rule breaking involved someone else), and the moderator's.
- if the rule violation was particularly egregious then there will likely be no route for an appeal.
- A ban related to dietary activism as well as bans involving more than three repeat violations of the same specific rule are likely not going to be eligible for appeal
Things that HELP appeals
- immediate admission of the specific rule violation. Own it if you did it.
- expression of remorse - Give a damn that you initiated a problem. If you don't care about the situation then the mods won't either
- reading the rules again, showing a real understanding of them, and vowing not to break them again
- looking for, suggesting ways, and making efforts to undo the damage
Things that PREVENT appeals
These things are frequently emotionally driven and are a result of knee-jerk reactions from those who don't stop to read or take a breath before simply firing off anger driven messages which fail to serve the user positively. The issues listed here will not only prevent an appeal from being approved, they may also be cause for moderators to immediately end the conversation.
- Being adamant "I DID NO WRONG" when you obviously did - Something went to shit and a rule was broken. Calling someone an asshole and then saying "But I did not call them an asshole" means you aren't willing to discuss the issue rationally and the conversation would therefore be closed. Editing the comment or post at issue to avoid enforcement or sidestep a ban doesn't actually change the past either. Moderators commonly save a copy of any text which initiated the action.
- Denial for denial's sake - "I did not do what you said (because I say so, because it just doesn't violate that rule)" is not an actual defense and will do nothing to serve as an appeal for your case. An explanation of why the claim does not apply to you is necessary for you to provide if you wish to go this route.
- DO NOT "why? why? why?" the moderators - Do not ask "Why was I banned?" when the reason for the ban was provided at the time of the ban and the comment or post that lead to the ban was removed with a notice explaining the issue. You did something, were called out for it, and it was explained. That part of the process is over.
- Rule lawyering - While it is necessary to know the rules of the subreddit, it is not okay to twist the rules of the subreddit. The rules are not open to re-interpretation by rule breakers.
- Blaming the moderators for enforcing stated rules - The moderators provided the rules in abundance. The moderators are not the ones who CHOSE for the user to break rules. Moderators put much recurring thought into the rules made and of their enforcement in order to AVOID things getting to this point. People who CHOOSE to break rules are the only party at fault not those who enforce the rules.
- Blaming rule enforcement on "censorship" or "diet favoritism" - The moderators have made it clear that they DO NOT CARE what your diet is. The only things under consideration in the case of a ban is what rules were broken and whether it is a repeat issue or not. The choice not to follow the rules was not made by the moderators. As long as their comments are on topic and do not violate the rules, our subscribers are free to speak away. Stepping outside the rules is the ONLY thing that brings someone to this point.
- Excuse claim: Ignorance of the rules - The rules have been provided clearly and in multiple places. The sidebar and the wiki home page clearly state the rules.
- Excuse claim: "Your rules are bullshit!" or any variation of "they don't apply to me!" - The rules of the subreddit and site are clearly and abundantly stated. You may participate here only according to those terms. They are not negotiable and nobody is entitled to a free pass from them.
- Excuse claim: "But they did it (first and/or too)" - A person is banned based only on their own actions. The actions of anyone else has no bearing regardless of whether the other person's violation was acted on or not. We do not discuss bans out in the open so you may not be aware of conversations or actions taken. In some cases, like ban evaders, you may see nothing at all though action has been taken. Furthermore, some people's actions may not even make the moderator team's radar. Each moderator is only a volunteer and not able to monitor the subreddit 24/7 but at the same time a very large number of comments has to be inspected by the moderator team. Therefore, some things might miss detection. That is not intentional on the part of the moderators who do their best to apply rules equally and fairly to all. Your issue was detected so at the moment, we are addressing what you've done.
- Trying to engage in hypotheticals - DO NOT engage in hypothetical situations. Bans are specific to each situation and hypotheticals are nothing but guesses based on incomplete information. Any conversation should be limited to the specific circumstances of your ban.
- Trying to use moderators for retaliation - If you had issues with someone else, do not try to get involved in moderator actions being taken on the other person. If you see a rule violation in the comments, use the report button or send us a separate notification about it like everybody else. Do not try to turn your ban conversation into a discussion about what anyone else did or is doing.
- Equivocating - Being falsely remorseful is a short ride to appeal rejection and accelerates mod action. "I should not have broken the rule but I SHOULD GET A FREE PASS BECAUSE THE RULE IS WRONG" This tells us you are disingenuous for any remorse expressed.
- DEMANDING a free pass - No. Really, just don't do this. You can ask for one but DO NOT insist you should get one or demand you deserve one when the consequences have already been laid out. Demanding means you are not sincere in your remorse or understanding of the rules or the enforcement as described here.
Being argumentative and demanding will NOT help your case and will accelerate mod action.
Bans for Spam / Self-Promotion
If a ban falls under this category then it is likely due to repeat attempts to use this subreddit for advertising; linking, depicting, or purposely mentioning things you are affiliated with for the purpose of driving traffic to it.
"It's my blog so I know it isn't spam" - You've just defined self-promotion which is part of the same rule. You are here advertising YOUR (thing) for the purpose of driving traffic to it. This is not allowed.
Those banned for repeat spam / self-promotion may not appeal their bans.
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