Trying to figure out which one the girls becomes the old cackling hag in the bathtub....
I think it's the one over his left shoulder.
The one with her eyes closed?
I am not sure she's in that picture. The woman is Lorraine Massey, the freshest addition to the hotel by the time of the events in the novel. She used to check in to room 217 every season, to seduce and have sex with young bellboys. In 1975 she checked in to the Overlook for the last time. By then she was the age that she appears at the end of the bathtub scene, her older version. She checked in with a much younger man, who seems to be with her for nothing but her money. After this younger man left her, she was found dead in the bathtub from a possible overdose. Suicide is suspected.
The reason why I think she's not in the picture is that Jack seems to be in his prime, and I don't see a lady there that looks anything like young Mrs. Massey, who is played in the movie by Lia Beldam, certainly one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. She was not an actor actually, she was a model. interestingly, she didn't know what she was getting into when she showed up for what she thought was just another modeling gig. She was barely aware of who Kubrick was and was surprised to find herself face to face with Jack Nicholson.
I pictured you saying all of this with a tobacco pipe in your mouth for some reason.
You guessed it! I'm in my favorite robe de chambre, sitting by the fire smoking my pipe and nursing a goblet of Jacky Navarre Vieille Reserve.
Only a person who would occasionally nurse a goblet would use the phrase "nursing the goblet"
I prefer gleaming the cube.
There are dozens of us, I tell you. Dozens!
I read this at 8:51 in the morning and snorted. Also thought it would be nice to pull up a chair and smoke, drink and talk.
What’d you just call me?!
You're being the person I strive to be. Keep up the good fight, old chap.
That's a wonderful image, spoilt only slightly by the knowledge that in fact you are sitting in your skiddy, semen-encrusted underwear in your equally filthy chair in your parents' basement, drinking Coke by the gallon and wondering how long you can keep your BMI at least ten points ahead of your age.
Thanks for that interesting write -up!
This comment was equally informative and entertaining to read. Any more fun facts?
Thank you. One last fun fact before I go take care of food: the Overlook doesn't really exist, but Stephen King based the novel on The Stanley, in Estes Park, Colorado. It is no too far from where I live, and I've been there several times, including spending the night a couple of times. The hotel does not look a lot like the on in Kubrick's movie, but it does have a ballroom and a bar. The bar, if you don't look behind you, is similar to the one in the movie. I've sat there a few times half fearing Lloyd would show up to take my order...
Check out the funbags on that hosehound!
Episode 10 of Lore is about The Stanley Hotel, for anyone who has 20 minutes to spare and wants to learn about the place.
The room where Jack was doing writing is in a hotel called The Yosemite Lodge at....You guessed it, Yosemite National Park. I've had the pleasure of being the DJ at a couple wedding receptions in the dining room at the far end of the hall.
Edit: /u srroberts07 corrected my error because it was Yosemite Hotel not Yosemite Lodge. I made a mis-type.l and I thank him for setting me on the right path.
Actually called the Majestic Yosemite Hotel formerly the Ahwahnee. Some interiors including the elevators were adapted into the sets built for the overlook but were not filmed on location. All exteriors were the Timberline Lodge in Oregon.
The writing, yes. The idea for the story, however, happened at the Stanley.
You from Loveland/ Fort Collins area?
Too bad 34 got so messed up from the flooding. It's a real pain getting up to Estes now.
Used to live in Fort Colins. These days I would go through Lyons. Road not so bad that way.
The photo was not taken for the movie. Jack Nicholson was retouched into the photo, so none of the other actors appear in the photo, and I don't think any of them are supposed to be characters in the film, specifically.
Kubrick still obsessed over every detail of his movies and probably went through countless photos as this was a very important shot of the movie. You might be right but it would be very unsurprising if there's some very important symbolic/thematic parts of that photo outside of Nicholson being shopped in
Quite possibly. It'd also be interesting to review the two photos in detail and see if anything else was retouched in. I said that none of the other actors were added, but really all I know is that Nicholson was added.
AWESOME! THANK YOU very much for your work to share that with us!
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Did you know the outside of the hotel is different than the one used to film the inside? The outside is Timberline Lodge, 6000 ft up Mt Hood, near Portland, OR. The inside is Stanley Hotel In Estes Park, CO.
Stephen King HATES the film adaptation of The Shining
Stephen King also blessed off on the Dark Tower adaptation/abortion, so let's keep things in perspective here lol.
Not to mention he made The Shining miniseries. Oof. That was... a thing that happened.
Since we’re going there...King also thought it a fine idea to write himself into the DT series as a character. Stephen King, the “Creator”. Stephen King, who bore an ancestral resemblance to Roland. The fuck outta here with that arrogant nonsense.
Yes, many years later I am still pissed that he ruined an excellent series.
Only works if you're Clive Cussler and the story needs a nudge to get back on track
Which is fine. He's a writer, he's got a significantly different interest from a director, and a different set of tools to work with. Jack isn't likable in the movie, his character arc is limited. But a movie can't putter around for very long, and there were too many other bits that needed screen time instead.
Maximum Overdrive was a disaster-piece. King doesn't know how to make a film, he can hate on Kubric all day long and still not be able to offer a better adaptation.
I like the movie, as a movie. I liked the book, as a book. The more control King has over film projects, the worse they turn out.
I’ve heard that he views The Shining as semi-autobiographical in regards to his struggles with addiction.
Makes sense that he hates the version that strips all sympathy from Jack when he sees himself in Jack.
Not all sympathy, but I think Nicholson's personality/performance grated on King.
I think it was a good performance, though. I can see why Kubrik went with it.
I loved maximum overdrive.
You take back what you said about the greatest movie ever made! Who else had the foresight to have an entirely AC/DC soundtrack I ask, who!?
He is not exactly known for having great taste when it comes to movie adaptions of his books. I say that as a big fan of his books.
Shawshank Redemption, Stand By Me, Dolores Claiborne and The Green Mile are the only ones that really come to mind - though I don’t know how hands-on he was in their making. Then again, none of these are ‘typical’ horror so maybe they ‘translate’ better?
IT was good, but I’ll reserve judgement until the second half comes out.
The Stand was good for being a ‘90’s TV miniseries. :)
Edit: Just re-read your comment & realized you meant King’s taste as opposed to actual good/bad adaptations. Will leave my comment bc I find “deleted” posts annoyingly intriguing.
It is speculated that Kubrick put the crushed red vw bug in the movie to show King that this wasn't his shining, as it was the red vw bug that brought them to the overlook hotel in the book.
One of my favorite little bits of trivia, that. Kubrick saw a totally different message in The Shining than King, and he literally used the skeleton of the story as a "vehicle" to deliver the imagery and ideas he put around it. Imo, I doubt Kubrick thought very highly of King at all (not that Kubrick thought highly of anybody). It just seems like Kubrick was toying with something he knew most people thought was good already, and he massaged so much subliminal detail into it that it becomes some sort of transcendental artistic message that only he can get off to. If you look at it at face value, the movie is a bad adaptation of the book, but it's immensely impressive. So, for me that just begs the questions: why is it ever considered an adaptation, and why did Kubrick pick THIS source material? Sooo fun to speculate
How does he reconcile that hate with the popularity of the film?
His gripes are with the faithfulness to the source material. I think he acknowledges the film is well made, it completely misses the point of the book.
Correct if I remember correctly king had a strong attachment to nicholsons characters alcoholism(which king struggled with) in the books which Kubrick didn't spend as much time on
He cries into his big pile of money they give him?
That’s a head scratcher (though I’ve never read the book)
If that was entertaining to read, then here’s a fun fact: you should read the book, it’s very entertaining
She used to check in to room 217 every season, to seduce and have sex with young bellboys.
Where did you get this info? Never read the book. Or did I miss it in the movie?
I read the book a long time ago, and I believe that I got it there.
No, it's bc hes got a few memories from 217...
It is where the young bell hop /u/wordserious became a man.
Its where he learned not just how to bell hop, but also to bell stroke, bell caress and (hopefully) ring the bell
It's in the book
Astounding, Holmes! You can tell all that from a photograph?
Nice! I love hearing the back stories of great films. I was just basing this off Jack being in the photo and he dies at the end of the flick. Figures that she would also be in the photo because she dies at the Overlook too.
eyes closed is his right. i'm worried about the one behind her.
Lol. Yeah. Eyes closed is his right. But the one originally mentioned was the one, eyes open, on his left.
my right or your right?
I’m never right. I’m married.
Depends on where you’re standing
Ghuurrr. Here. Obviously....
my left or your left?
His left. Right you are then....
She seems the eeriest.
She's also hovering close like she's whispering into his ear.
I think she's a blonde in the book iirc.
I’m also curious if Lloyd or Grady are in the picture as they too have always been there.
I was absolutely terrified of that scene when I was little and way too young to be watching it. Watching it now, it’s cheesy as hell and they show worse in a Walking Dead commercial.
How is it cheesy?
Cheesy may not be the right description. But when rewatching now, the scary part is more in the suspense vs. the visual. The makeup doesn’t look as real as it did when I was little.
I saw it for the first time a couple years ago -- I'm 23 -- and I rewatched the movie yesterday. That sequence is so fucking visceral and disgusting and bald I still can't look at it. And I do watch stuff like TWD. So fucking gross!
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