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Animated ≠ For Kids

People don’t go around saying Star Wars or Marvel films are kids movies but by the same logic, they are. So why are animated films treated this way? Looney Tunes is a prime example. These cartoons were produced to run in front of an adult audience before adult-audience movies. The problem started when they began airing the shorts on TV and gained a mostly children audience. The Incredibles films are intended for a broad audience and are meant to appeal to everyone. There are definitely animated films that are intended for kids, but please stop lumping all animation into one category.

level 2

People don’t go around saying Star Wars or Marvel films are kids movies

...yes they do.

level 3
-7 points · 1 month ago(8 children)
level 4

OK? I have. I get it, too. Some of those movies feel like extended toy commercials.

level 4
6 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/394542.stm

Star Wars creator George Lucas has defended his latest film The Phantom Menace... Lucas hit back in an interview with Newsnight presenter Kirsty Wark ... There is a group of fans for the films that doesn't like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike.

"The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that. In the first film they absolutely hated R2 and C3-PO. In the second film they didn't like Yoda and in the third one they hated the Ewoks

He said: "The big complaint about the first film was that it was a special effects movie and that there was no character to the story. It was a children's film, and that is pretty much the way the critics have addressed all the movies... Most people don't like toys and don't think children should be able to play with toys. But I'm a big fan of toys, and I think it helps kids be able to play and expand their imaginations.

level 5
0 points · 1 month ago

It is an all-ages film. He wasn’t saying that it was a just-for-kids movie.

level 6
2 points · 1 month ago

"The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that... It was a children's film."

These are his exact words. Nobody is saying adults cannot enjoy them. But this is how George Lucas thinks about Star Wars, his own creation.

Granted that was how he thought back in 1999, maybe his stance has changed over the years.

George Lucas reiterates Star Wars is for ‘12-year-olds’

https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/13/15288998/george-lucas-star-wars-celebration

Lucas told actor Warwick Davis, who was moderating the event’s opening panel, that Star Wars was always intended to be enjoyed by “12-year-olds.”

Hmm... maybe that is just out of context?

https://uproxx.com/movies/george-lucas-star-wars-celebration-12-year-olds/

George Lucas Explains ‘Star Wars’ Is About Telling Kids To Grow Up

Lucas, weighing in on the movies, has a rather fascinating take: In their own way, it’s him trying to explain to kids on the cusp of adulthood how to make their way through life.

“It’s a film for 12-year-olds. This is what we stand for. You’re about to enter the real world. You’re moving away from your parents. You’re probably scared, you don’t know what’s going to happen. Here’s what you should pay attention to: Friendships, loyalty, trust, doing the right thing.”

Lucas notes he’s always viewed the series as for kids.

level 4

I saw someone famous call Star Wars a movie for kids. I forget who it was... I think he had two first names or something. Like Lucas George? Something like that.

level 5

Okay, and I heard someone say that Incredibles 2 was not a kid's movie. I think his name was Bird Brad or something?

level 6
1 point · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Yes that is true. It's literally the title of this thread.

level 5
-1 points · 1 month ago

Yes because children just love senate politics, and trade confederations are definitely something they understand.

When he said it was for kids do you really think he meant it wasn’t also for adults? Because all-ages and just-for-kids is the distinction we’re making here, and that you’re ignoring.

level 2

People call Marvel films kids movies all the time tho.

level 3

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone call a Marvel film a kids movie. Thinking back on Infinity War Pt. 1, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, even Captain America: Civil War, there are some fairly dark and heavy moments in these movies, let alone the entire franchise. Not that I don’t think a certain age level of kids couldn’t handle it, but I would be hesitant to call them kids films.

level 4

there are some fairly dark and heavy moments in these movies

Disney loves their heavy moments, y'ever watch Bambi's mom die?

level 5

Or Old Yeller get shot?
Or see Mufasa die?
Or watch an old woman leave her pet fox in the woods?
Or the woman who shoved an orphan down a hole filling up with water and yelled at her?
Or when the two orphaned sisters are about to be separated?

Disney loves making people cry. But the facts that they can make you care enough to do so is what makes them great.

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level 5
6 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

While your two points might make a death more realistic or intense, I think you are mistaking “dark” for “gritty” in that sense. No, Marvel movies are not grindhouse bloodbaths filled with swearing and fucking and they usually try to approach the majority of the superhero aspect from a lighter angle to be more generally crowd pleasing. That has been their approach since day 1 - no arguments there. It’s what works for them and it makes them a shit ton of money.

But, I think ignoring scenes that, while not as graphic as they would be in real life, are fairly dark and intense is not necessarily fair.

I’m gonna refer to a few more scenes that are getting into spoiler territory so I’ll mark it accordingly

  • In Civil War, one of the first things we see is Bucky literally being tortured and brainwashed while he screams in agony. A little disturbing. Near the end of the movie, we have this scene when Tony Stark finally sees the footage of his parents’ death and watches Bucky break his dad’s face with his metal arm and strangle his mom after a fairly intense car crash

  • In Infinity War, the film opens with a bloodied and restrained Thor watching Thanos impale Heimdall with a spear and strangle Loki to death

I could keep going and hope this isn’t going overboard. What I’m trying to make clear is that while they clearly want to market these films as ok for almost all ages (and it is), the context and thematic elements that are underlying a lot of these somewhat brutal moments are what pushes it beyond simply being labeled as just a kids movie. It’s a popcorn flick, no doubt, but I think these movies try to tackle enough somewhat heavy themes and semi-political messages at times to push them above that label.

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level 7

Hold up, minimum age to enjoy them? What?

Marvel movies are 100% family movies. Kids love them, adults love them. Calling them either kids or adult movies doesn't inherently make them either good or bad. All that matters is if they're a good movie or not.

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level 9

Sure, but the bottom line really does lie with whether a movie is worth your time or not, and I'm trying to argue that calling movies "kids movies" or not really shouldn't be a qualifier to that

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level 5
0 points · 1 month ago

That's for ratings. Movies are normally more successful if parents can bring their kids. Language and blood are not necessary to tell most stories so why add it if you know it'll hurt at the box-office. Money is why marvel films are light on blood and language, not because they are kids movies.

level 4

No blood, no swearing, and they're about friggin superheroes. They're kids movies, bud. Same fro Star Wars.

level 2

People don’t go around saying Star Wars or Marvel films are kids movies but by the same logic, they are. So why are animated films treated this way?

My kid is 4, but loves superheros. Loves the books, loves the cartoons, loves the action figures. My kid things that the live action Marvel movies are too scary and "For big kids".

It's weird. Just being animated makes it friendly and accessible for a kid.

level 3
2 points · 1 month ago

They should watch Jin-Roh /s

level 3

That's cute. Maybe in a year or two your kid will be ready to try out the live-action films :)

level 2

My video rental place back in 2000 had South Park in the kid's section.

¯\(ツ)

level 2
6 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

People don’t go around saying Star Wars or Marvel films are kids movies

LOL OK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/394542.stm

Star Wars creator George Lucas has defended his latest film The Phantom Menace... Lucas hit back in an interview with Newsnight presenter Kirsty Wark ... There is a group of fans for the films that doesn't like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike.

"The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that. In the first film they absolutely hated R2 and C3-PO. In the second film they didn't like Yoda and in the third one they hated the Ewoks

He said: "The big complaint about the first film was that it was a special effects movie and that there was no character to the story. It was a children's film, and that is pretty much the way the critics have addressed all the movies... Most people don't like toys and don't think children should be able to play with toys. But I'm a big fan of toys, and I think it helps kids be able to play and expand their imaginations.

level 3

George Lucas re-released those comments and digitally edited them to insert "The movies are grandiose epics meant for grown men only and girls are gay and stuff" #releasethelucascut

level 3

Yes, they are children's films. So lets make a Trilogy about Galatic Trade Disputes.

level 2

Rango is a good example as well.

level 2

Animated does not mean 'for kids' but if I see a Pixar or Disney logo before a movie I know who the audience is. That doesn't exclude adult enjoyment and Pixar do make scenes specifically for adults. But they aren't trying to make something that everyone will like. They are making movies for kids that adults will enjoy and might not be embarrassed to be caught watching on their own. Disney do the exact same thing for older children with Marvel and Star Wars and the exact same strategy is done for Harry Potter.

level 2

Animated ≠ For Kids

Correct.

however when over half the movie is mr mom: the reboot and baby's day out: the reboot. it certainly feels like an kids movie.

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