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China is investing 9 times more into Europe than into North America, report reveals

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Remember guys, investing means buying, they are buying things. We are giving them a lil control over europe, this isn't necessarely a good thing .

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6 points · 1 month ago

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7 points · 1 month ago

"China" is not buying real estate. Chinese nationals looking for a good investment/escape hatch are buying.

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A better comment would be China is buying up most of Africa. By this i mean they outright own a ton of resources from mining to forestry and exporting it out if Africa. The problem us the African governments profiting but local employment taking a huge dive as chinese companies ship in their own cheap labour. Yes, as per the article they are investing 9 times more in Europe but dont assume thats in assests. Thats simply the fact that Africa is cheap to "buy".

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially0 points · 1 month ago

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Cant say i could.. was born in the 90’.

Maybe its just me but i feel like Japan back then was a lil’ less shady then these chinese pseudo-government controlled companies basically buying themself into power in Europe.

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11 points · 1 month ago

Japan has been a reasonably functioning democracy. That's the difference. With Europe, if worse comes to worst they can nationalize Chinese assets, which is the argument that was made against the panic in the US in the 80s.

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But unlike Japan, China can do something about that.

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

Can you cite a source

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added; thank you

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

Thanks.

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There was a movie about it.

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38 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Yes the US already has a well developed infrastructure. So they don’t need to do heavy investing. Unlike Greece where China is building a port (expensive) and rail lines into Eastern Europe.

Edit. Request for source.
https://www.ft.com/content/9e7428cc-c963-11e7-8536-d321d0d897a3

“China’s massive cash investment initially focused on infrastructure projects in distressed European economies on the southern edges of the eurozone, with the crisis offering opportunities in Portugal, Greece, Italy and Spain. “
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"Sweden was the top European destination for Chinese investment in the first half of 2018 with $3.6 billion, followed by the U.K. at $1.6 billion, Germany at $1.5 billion and France at $1.4 billion. Automotives, health and biotech, and consumer products and services have become the top recipients for Chinese FDI in both the U.S. and Europe."

Not sure what this has to do with Eastern Europe or infrastructure.

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11 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

They are buying banks and banking systems. In Switzerland. This will give them full access to lenders for their corporations. Right now if a Chinese company needs a loan they normally get it from there government, Which is under mining the governments financial stability. In the other places they are buy access to advance manufacturing technology, like robotics which Germany is a world leader in. This is really upsetting Germany because they are Europe’s manufacturers due to their lower production cost due from heavy robotics use. If China combines their advantage in low wages with robotics they will be next to impossible to beat in manufacturing.

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Except companies like Intel do manufacture in China, which means they, by definition, have the technology to do the manufacturing... They produce nearly identical chips to AMD.

In fact, every single company you listed does precision fabrication in china.

This is why sources are required.

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2 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Read your own sources. Intel does not do leading edge manufacturing in China but in Oregon. 65nm is tech from last decade, a mere 5 generations old technology. 65, 45, 32, 22, 14, and 10nm right now going 7nm. 5-6 generations behind. Sources: https://simplecore.intel.com/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2011/05/Global-Intel-Manufacturing_FactSheet.pdf

And no, that licensed x86 chips is not manufactured 'domestically' but most likely a small batch done by TSM. Design means they do not manufacture... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/07/china-producing-x86-chips-nearly-identical-to-amd-server-processors/

It's ludicrous to comment w/o understanding the facts.

Source: your links.

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Really? You look at the sources I provided and you cannot find the facts that they are using the same fab techniques as we are to produce *literally* the same chips we are using right now?

You are right about the 2011 link I provided. Here is from 2017.

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Not the same fab techniques... Each major semiconductor companies are manufacturing using different techniques. Intel uses different tech than TSM, and TSM uses different tech than Samsung, etc. So does Global Foundry (IBM/AMD). And because of that, the gate width are different between manufacturers.

Also, having an A or B stepping chip out for software verification/integration is not the same as RC or mass manufacturinng D or E steppings.

If you are that interested in understanding the industry, here's a paid report thats used across the whole semiconductor industry. http://www.semi.org/en/marketinfo/semi-china-ic-industry-outlook

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

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What? Our infrastructure is crumbling. We need to spend about $4.5 trillion in the next 7 years.

http://www.businessinsider.com/asce-gives-us-infrastructure-a-d-2017-3

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14 points · 1 month ago

>Yes the US already has a well developed infrastructure.

Yeah, about that... US infrastructure is in a horrendous state and is in dire need of revamping. Even Trump acknowledged this and stated his intention to fix it (the plan went nowhere).

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

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I think I will stop posting here and unsub

I double checked all those facts and they are all true. Right after I posted

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To be honest, I have to say thank you for unsubscribing and leaving the sub.

I think most of us come here for sourced facts, so when someone such as yourself won't play by the rules, the sub gets difficult to read, because posts start to be removed.

You obviously understand that you're unwilling to follow the rules of the sub and you're doing the mature thing by leaving.

This reply may sound snarky, but it isn't. Know thyself. You seem to, and I appreciate that.

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2 points · 1 month ago

Re-read. The facts I posted were sourced

It isn't about being willing, it is about being able ie. when on mobile

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Ah yeah, being on mobile is a pain in the ass. Usually they'll reinstate your comment if you source it later.

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Oh. Yea I could have easily put the links in when I was at home, since I had actually googled them to verify them, but the comment was deleted and I wasn't given that option

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

Please read the sidebar. All statements of fact have to be sourced, which means providing a link.

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-2 points · 1 month ago

Which I forgot about. I checked the sources on my own because I wanted to be sure I was right, just didn't have time to go back and put in links

Easier to just unsub and stop participating with such shitty moderation

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Can you explain how enforcing the rules is shitty moderation?

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-1 points · 1 month ago

Enforcing shitty rules is by transitive law, shitty

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially3 points · 1 month ago

The purpose of this subreddit has always been empirical evidence-based discussion. That means that we've always required sources for statements of facts.

From the guidelines:

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

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11 points · 1 month ago(1 child)
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Ports in British Columbia as well as the western US are sufficient for Chinese trade.

Infrastructure in Michigan, much like the rust belt, is struggling to be revived as the industries that required the infrastructure have since moved on.

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

and then downvote

Please don't it just creates an emotional response

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and then downvote

Please don't it just creates an emotional response.

I'm confused because to quote from the guidelines:

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially2 points · 1 month ago

You are right, still not awake this morning.

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Moderator of r/neutralnews, speaking officially1 point · 1 month ago

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At work, I'll try to source this later

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American trains are great. There’s only a few cities where passenger trains/subways actually make sense though. No sense in spending billions upon billions of dollars on something which only works out in a few places. Maybe in the future we’ll have a west coast and north east (Boston to DC) bullet train system though.

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Not too surprised, NA is more developed, and there isn't much to develop in terms of infrastructure connecting NA to China.

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4 points · 1 month ago

Where else would they go? They have money to deploy if it is not welcome in the USA, they will go to the next investment friendly place

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