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Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump Discussing Payment to Playboy Model

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“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had directed Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to the woman, write a check, rather than sending cash, so it could be properly documented.

“In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpatory evidence,” Mr. Giuliani said.

See? We properly documented paying off an affair by paying with check! Nothing out of the ordinary here!

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895 points · 1 month ago

I hear Guiliani is doing all of his work for Trump pro bono. Trump is being overcharged if you ask me.

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646 points · 1 month ago

Convincing the world Rudy Giuliani was a Republican that the President could count on for legal advice was the greatest trick the Democrats ever pulled.

Any day now Rudy's going to pull off his evil skull mask and it's going to have been Sacha Baron Cohen all along.

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210 points · 1 month ago

I would watch that movie.

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The biggest heel face turn of the century!

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He's as much Trump's lawyer as I am. Dude's out there to distract and force officials to scramble, nothing else.

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81 points · 1 month ago

I'm sure you're right, it just seems he is doing more damage to Trump than anything else.

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Well damage legally. But he's been helping undercut the Mueller probe and that helps him politically.

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232 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

But Guilliani said the payment didn't happen, followed by it did happen via check.

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135 points · 1 month ago

No he meant to say payment DID happen, he just got confused by the double negative.

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President Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with Mr. Trump two months before the presidential election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording.

Wow, I guess we now know why the FBI chose to do a No knock warrant, and why it was approved.

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5.7k points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

The FBI was quite thorough as well. They raided Cohen's house, office, car, safe deposit box at the bank, and confiscated several phones.

Despite public denials, there's speculation he will turn State's evidence because Trump has basically abandoned him.

What a crazy turn of events. If someone wrote this scenario in a novel, it would seem over-the-top.

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Yes, full of unrealistically dumb characters, and too many crimes it's like the writer couldn't figure out which one they wanted to highlight. And it would need to be a series of books.

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322 points · 1 month ago

Editor notes: why does this character keep talking like a three-year-old? Are you employing the obfuscating stupidity trope or is this character just plain stupid? If he is so stupid and incompetent, how do you explain him coming to a position of power? What the fuck is going on? Nobody is going to able to follow these many messy and chaotic politlines that involve another load of stupid and incompetent characters……wait, that's genius! It's a parody, isn't it? But is it? Maybe it isn't? Now you have me questioning my reality. That's genius! That's art!

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2.0k points · 1 month ago

Yes, full of unrealistically dumb characters, and too many crimes it's like the writer couldn't figure out which one they wanted to highlight.

To be fair I think the only reason Trump hasn't gone down yet is because he committed so many crimes that investigating them is taking forever.

He's like an airplane shooting out flares to distract the heat seeking missile only every flare is a fresh new impeachable offence that also needs to be shot down.

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2.8k points · 1 month agoGilded1 · edited 1 month ago

To be fair I think the only reason Trump hasn't gone down yet is because he committed so many crimes that investigating them is taking forever.

He's DDoS ing the legal system.

EDIT : Thank you for your compliments. I'm available to hire if you need technical issues explained in English, or English issues explained in technical language.

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407 points · 1 month ago

Best analogy yet

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Absolutely. Mind kinda blown over how good this analogy is.

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94 points · 1 month ago

Worst thing, it seems to be working.

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It's the same method that's basically made him scandal proof to the media and public. Any one of the dozens of crazy things he's said and done would be enough to end any other politician's political career, but there's so much, so often that nothing sticks. To his supporters, the frequency and magnitude of the offenses is just proof that the liberal media and deep state are conspiring against him with baseless attacks in his credibility. And it's so surreal and overwhelming that the most objective and intellectually honest wonder if there's something to that notion overcompensate in their efforts to remain objective and intellec honest. Surely in a rational world this can't be happening. The problemis, this is an irrational world, and Donald Trump is the most powerful dumpster fire in it.

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Worked for Scientology against the IRS.

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He's unlocked the best defense ever. Do so much wild shit that you die of old age before the crimes are ever investigated and a verdict is reached...Genius. Perhaps he IS a stable genius. On second thought, probably not.

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This was Guiliani's strategy for years... it would go

1- Blatantly violate the law.

2- people sue

3- Delay the court case

4- The night before the judge is about to issue his ruling, call a press conference and announce that the illegal policy is no longer in effect

5- Petition the court to dismiss the case due to the issues being moot, since the illegal policy is no longer in effect.

6- Case gets dismissed

7- Wait a few weeks, then announce a new illegal policy that's ALMOST the same as the other one

8- repeat ad nauseum

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217 points · 1 month ago

Gish gallop- legal edition.

Why does that seem so plausible...

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We should call it the Trump Pump and Dump. Duane Gish got nothing on this dude.

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768 points · 1 month ago

two months before the presidential election

Yeah this may be a Campaign finance law issue.

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At which case the very worst thing to come out of this for Trump is a fine.

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Remember that the public knows a lot less than investigators. It was a full year before the public learned about General Flynn's involvement in a kidnapping plot to help Erdogan in Turkey. The only thing we knew for a year was "fired for lying to Pence". Without that knowledge, every single article and every single comment here written about Flynn was made in the dark.

Given how donnie is so proud of his pussygrabbing, its unlikely the only thing discovered was more hush money for pornstars. He wouldn't need to be so open about pardoning himself for something that he thinks makes him look strong and tough.

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involvement in a kidnapping plot to help Erdogan in Turkey

I just learned this.

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139 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Flynn is sketchy as F:

  1. Plotted with Turkey to kidnap Fatula Gulen... remember he was being paid by Turkey and was trying to influence the administration.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41947451

2) Plotted with Saudi Arabia along with Kushner to raise Russia sanctions so the Russia nuclear deal with SA could go ahead... he was getting a cut of the action... and maybe planned to cut deal in other ME countries too... nuclear proliferation the ME courtesy of Russia who already sold SA theatre ballistic missiles.. no biggie.

https://www.newsweek.com/2017/06/23/flynn-russia-nuclear-energy-middle-east-iran-saudi-arabia-qatar-israel-donald-623396.html

3) Wanted to start a mercenary intelligence agency with Oliver North (Iran contra fame) and Erik Prince:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/741481/erik-prince-oliver-north-are-trying-sell-trump-secret-spy-force

These stories alone are so much sketchier when you factor in Prince's seychelles Russia meetings, Kushner VEB bank meeting, Trump ties to Turkey, Prince's building mercenary intelligence services for ME clients, etc... Flynn was trying to cash in and doing so in some really sketchy company... but the conspiracy theories suggest he also has some ideological affinity to Trump and Russia.

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Well, the only thing we "knew" was "fired for lying to Pence". Plenty of people suspected "working on behalf of foreign governments". But we didn't know exactly what that work was.

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Actually, Cohen said they knocked on his door:

Trump's personal attorney tells ABC News FBI raids were 'respectful' and 'courteous'

Don't forget also that the FBI is investigating his Taxi business (so is NY state) and it's connection to Ukrainin mobsters, as well as acting as an unregistered lobbyist, Bank Fraud, Wire Fraud, and possibly selling access to the administration. Not to mention allegations that he coordinated payments to Russian hackers in Prague. Payments from Russian Victor Vekselberg, Novartis and others... ETC.

Cohen is in a lot deeper than just payments to a pornstar that might violate campaign finance laws.

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471 points · 1 month ago

No-knock refers to not giving any prior notice before showing up. It doesn't literally mean they bust the door down.

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Remember Trump flat out denied any knowledge of payments and still to this day denies the affairs occurred. Now he is on tape discussing the payments with his attorney.

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4.3k points · 1 month ago

Do you mean President Trump lied .... shocking, just shocking.

Whats next ? Orange isn't his natural skin color ?

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924 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

I got into a debate with a guy last week who said Trump never lies.

We watched a video of him saying something that was objectively a lie. He said the video was liberal media fake news and he never said it.

THE. WORDS. LITERALLY. CAME. OUT.OF. HIS. MOUTH. ON. VIDEO.

Some people

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Too many people.

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88 points · 1 month ago

Holy shit that’s some next level delusion

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44 points · 1 month ago

Welcome to the average Trump supporter.

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533 points · 1 month ago

He's a proud member of the lizard race, orange is a perfectly acceptable color once you reached Matron status!

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He can just say "Fake Tapes" and his base will believe it. It won't change anything.

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Yeah Id bet money that he says either Cohen or the FBI faked this.

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393 points · 1 month ago

TD already saying Cohen is the scumbag for recording Trump without his consent, and that the Mueller team is really dropping the ball on this one because they shouldn't just be releasing this kind of info "investigations take time and they're jumping the gun on this." LOL

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395 points · 1 month ago

"investigations take time and they're jumping the gun on this."

From the same folks who rallied behind "Finish it the hell up!", and have been screeching that this investigation is taking far too long for months, lol indeed.

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198 points · 1 month ago

"This is taking too long, speed it up!"

Mueller: "Like this?"

"NOOO NOT THAT FASTTTTTTTTTTT"

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I mean Cohen is a scumbag, and thats horrible lawyering. But lol.

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Looking out for himself, perhaps he knew he'd be in this position and wanted a bargaining chip.

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Funny how they constantly show how little they understand or respect investigations, openly attacking the FBI at every turn.... then suddenly "oh the investigators should be more careful when talking about an affair that is open knowledge because the porn star herself talked about it".

I'm pretty sure the reT_D brigade is now 90% russobots. They aren't even hiding it now on recent threads, it's a ton of 2-week old accounts and horribly translated english.

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Funny how they constantly show how little they understand or respect investigations,

They are just partisans who knowingly spread propaganda. They react to real news by spreading misinformation to muddy the playing field. That's literally all they do.

They stand nowhere. At any given moment, depending on what Trump says or the media produces, they quickly change their arguments so that Trump comes out on top. They have no morals or values. It's very apparent.

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Yep. Changing the minds of Trump supporters is fantasy.

I've noticed reporting on NPR lately focusing on the Trump base, or bases as it were. They are going to areas that gave him support in '16 and interviewing his supporters. Which is brilliant, really, as its factual reporting, and serves as a reminder that the only way this can change is by getting people to vote. Republican leadership is an oxymoron at this point. We can't afford any more voter apathy. The US is turning into Russia's bitch. Which is exactly what Putin wants.

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264 points · 1 month ago

A Trumper colleague of mine yesterday stated that he doesn’t think Russia killed the individuals in the UK via nerve agent since they would know it could be traced to them, so that would be just plain stupid. Never mind the fact that this specific agent is only manufactured in Russia, the Russians are known to execute their own that betray their govt and that Putin has a history of denying the obvious. It spreads fear to those thinking about crossing him and also shows the world that he can do this stuff and you can’t do anything about it. Trump’s coddling of Russia has worn off on his supporters to the point that they trust Russia more than US or U.K. govt. Trump has absolute control over his base regardless of the insanity and it’s fucking scary.

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Not to mention that it's not even the first assassination attempt of a Russian dissident on British soil. Or did Litvinenko just accidentally reach for the polonium instead of the sugar?

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My best friend told me the other day that I must want nuclear war rather than friendship with Russia because I said trump is a traitor and Putin's bitch.

He went on a tangent about how were friends with Germany now and la-di-da.

I just aked him if he could recall the last time Germany anexed another country by force or shot down a civilian jet liner with a surface to ground rocket. Or if he really thought it was a good idea to befriend someone who has no qualms with using a banned nerve agent to kill defectors and, accidentally, innocent civilians.

He had no answer. Promptly changed the subject. It's like they don't even think about anything....

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I had a conversation with a supporter recently who told me how truly brilliant Trump is and how immigrants are ruining America. I asked him if it was more likely he lost jobs to Jose crossing the border, or corporations outsourcing to India. He admitted that immigrants were not taking good paying jobs.

He was then thankful the GOP got rid of Obama’s disastrous healthcare policy.

He talked about how one guy couldn’t afford his premiums while unemployed. I asked him why he was opposed to people having to have insurance, but wasn’t bitching about someone with skills and desire to work not being able to get a job, having enough to cover his $300 premiums while unemployed, or why individuals were being forced to pay for insurance rather than corporations. Why didn’t he see THAT as the real problem. Why was the best solution that the guy be unemployed, uninsured, and unable to see a doctor?

Cue Obama rant. Which I responded that Obama wanted single payer healthcare by expanding Medicare and Medicaid and that the ACA was a Republican compromise.

He then ranted about socialism, Reaganomics, etc. So I asked him if someone who was sick and needed an antibiotic, or treatment for their mental illness should be denied that because they could not pay for coverage? I also asked if he felt we as a society were better off with people walking around without basic vaccinations due to the cost?

He reluctantly agreed with me, that these Democratic policies like free education, a living wage, state paid medical, etc. made sense for our country. I told him that he was a progressive, that these were progressive politics.

He became angry with me. He abruptly ended the conversation and went back to the position that Trump is great, tariffs wars are good for us, and all our problems are due to immigration.

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"This can't be a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal."

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Sarah Sanders: "When President Trump is heard on the tape saying we should pay Ms. McDougal he meant we shouldn't pay Ms. McDougal."

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6.9k points · 1 month agoGilded1

I see it was like a double negative.

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1.5k points · 1 month ago

Well now I'm just confused.

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3.2k points · 1 month agoGilded1 · edited 1 month ago

I don't see any reason you wouldn't* not be not confused.

edit: *would*

re-edit: * wouldn't haven't

So you can put that in, and I think that probably clarifies things pretty good by itself.

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Even better, i think you've just invented the multiple apostrophe.

Wouldn't't't't = would not not not not

would = yes

would not = no

would not not = yes

would not not not = no

would not not not not = yes

He clearly meant wouldn't't't't which means, uh....

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N'yes

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Yesn’t?

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Dammit. I almost reddit'd.

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It's okay, have a sympathy updoodle for trying.

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my head hurts now

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109 points · 1 month ago

We shouldn't not unpay her.

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254 points · 1 month ago

A "double negative" like Trump-Pence 2020.

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23 points · 1 month ago

This post is far too underrated. You should be writing captions for New Yorker cartoons.

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643 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Sarah Sanders: "The voice heard in the tape is that of Alec Baldwin and not President Trump."

Edit: Alec

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Five bucks says Trump's current wife will be MIA for a while.

I remember when he was attacking a gold star family and claiming that the husband wasn't letting the wife speak. Definitely seemed like more projecting.

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Like, Melania is clearly a trophy-wife who expected him to be dead by now. Have you seen Trump's diet? She probably expected him to have a heart attack ten years ago.

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208 points · 1 month ago

Everything you know is wrong

Black is white, up is down and short is long

And everything you thought

Was just so important doesn't matter

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Everything you know is wrong

Just forget the words and sing along

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All you need to understand is...

everything you know is wrong!

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160 points · 1 month ago

Mike Pense after listening to the tapes: "No, no, he never said that!"

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Is this a joke or a quote?

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143 points · 1 month ago

a joke based on a quote

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25 points · 1 month ago

Well now I'm even more confused.

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106 points · 1 month ago

President Trump was at a summit with Putin. He was asked about Russian interference in the 2016 election. While every single US intelligence agency is saying Russia did interfere, the President said, "I don't see any reason why it would be Russia."

He later came out and said he meant to say, "I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia."

Thing is, the next sentence was "President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today." So in context... it doesn't sound like he mis-spoke at all.

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56 points · 1 month ago

You're leaving out the hour of surrounding discussion and the post-summit meetings where he also held strong that Russia wasn't involved.

It was hardly just as simple word mixup.

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When you find out your long term personal attorney has been secretly recording your conversations. Oh boy. Cohen just knew that he couldn’t trust Trump.

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915 points · 1 month ago

Maybe I'm just stupid or not really all that terribly experienced, but if I were a lawyer, I'd want literally everything I did for a client recorded. Everything. I mean there's plenty of one-party consent states.

Really, unless you're unscrupulous (which I like to think I'm not), those tapes would exist to cover your ass as the lawyer.

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Recording calls with clients is not a typical law firm practice. And there may be room to argue that secretly recording calls with clients violates the rules of professional conduct.

I am a lawyer and I have never seen a lawyer use recordings in this manner. If we need to cover our bases (because a client goes against our legal advice, for example) then we would typically send a letter or an email to the client narrating the relevant information. And we would keep a copy of the letter in the client’s file.

A good lawyer wouldn’t want every decision recorded because it would open the door to question every decision made during the course of litigation. All of those recordings could be discoverable in a malpractice suit. Just thinking about working with someone who does that is giving me a panic attack.

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513 points · 1 month ago

Maybe it's the difference between a 'normal' lawyer and a lawyer like Cohen whose primary form of lawyering is covering up for dirty people.

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I can say without a doubt that Cohen is the worst attorney I have ever seen. He regularly misstates the law. His contracts don’t use basic English and are unreadable. He doesn’t write well. He is hostile and aggressive in situations where calm reasoning would serve the client better.

So it shouldn’t surprise me that he did this. It is astounding that he hasn’t been disbarred yet.

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well, the rich people pay his bills

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108 points · 1 month ago

How can Cohen get a job as a lawyer but I cant?

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I don't know anything about you, but it's a fair assumption that your ethics are better than Cohen's.

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11.2k points · 1 month ago

Lordy, there are tapes!

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214 points · 1 month ago

Here's hoping this will push Trump over the edge with regards to Cohen. The quicker Cohen flips the better.

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"Who? I think he was the guy that got me Diet Cokes. I never spoke to him."

-Trump, eventually

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4.8k points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

If there are tapes of this imagine how many things happened we don't have tapes for.

EDIT: Boy this triggered some Trump supporters hahaha

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2.7k points · 1 month ago

Or do. Because Cohen recorded everything.

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2.5k points · 1 month ago

Other law firms that worked for Trump had a policy of always speaking to him in pairs because he was known to lie about circumstances so often.

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2.1k points · 1 month ago

And the rest wouldn't take him as a client because he has a history of non-payment. He's a walking dumpster fire that somehow became president.

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This is exactly what I heard from a Wall Street executive before he was elected. Nobody in the US will loan him money, so he went looking to other countries like Russia.

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There some evidence that he has been involved in money laundering with the Russian mob for decades.

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926 points · 1 month ago

The Apprentice had a lot to do with it. No other politician could get away with what he does because they didn't have a reality TV show to build their public persona for a decade before they ran for office.

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1.2k points · 1 month ago

I find it extremely perplexing that my parent's generation tells me not to believe everything that I see on the internet, yet fell hook, line, and sinker for a reality tv personality's persona of 'leadership'.

Then I try to show them how hyperlinks work in online news stories so they can check their sources for validity and "that takes too much time".

I have shown them [parents and their friends] proof positive how to discern fact from fiction, but they still decide things based on feelings, never facts and figures.

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485 points · 1 month ago

One of Cambridge Analytica's key insights was that people are primarily emotional creatures. That's how they managed to manipulate social media so effectively. They played to people's fears.

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453 points · 1 month ago

I mean, that was in fact one of Göbbels' key insights.

The entire field of PR, today, is based on things Nazis wrote about manipulating public opinion to create a nationstate of unthinking, reflexively obeying genocidal stooges.

stares directly into camera

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You seem to be forgetting Edward Bernays, who coined the term Public Relations and did some amazing (yet troubling) things. He was doing this early in the 1900's IIRC, well before WW2 and the nazi's.

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63 points · 1 month ago

They got it from Edward Bernays.

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242 points · 1 month ago

There is a money worship cult in this country (especially among boomers). If you have money, you then have intelligence, shrewdness and common sense. Otherwise, how else could you become rich?!

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Prosperity Gospel.

Send me 10$ and I'll tell you more on how Jesus will pay you back 20$. Just follow these 10 simple tips from Yahweh on how you can grow your business!

Also, I have these timeshares...

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I'm convinced, at this point, that he won simply because he was "not Hillary".

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622 points · 1 month ago

Thank you, Cohen, you meticulous dumbfuck.

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518 points · 1 month ago

dumb, or smart? he works with trump, so he knows trump likes to fuck people over. recording everything gives him insurance he won't be fucked over. but maybe he underestimated trump's stupidity, he didn't think trump would leave him out to dry with all of that evidence.

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490 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Trump is known to treat Cohen badly. Apparently, Cohen does not have many prospects in the legal world because he graduated from Cooley Law, which is widely regarded as the worst law school in the country.

As is the case with most abusers, Trump held that over his head frequently. He knew Cohen could never get a better job than what Trump was offering. This was Cohen's way of having some leverage.

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“I have the best lawyers.”

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They can't prosecute you under maritime law! Take to the sea!

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Narrator: He doesn't

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181 points · 1 month ago

Ron Howard better narrate the HBO series on all this bullshit after we are done.

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431 points · 1 month ago

Nothing against Ron Howard, but the universe demand this HBO series be narrated by Barack Morherfucking Obama. There is no alternative.

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I don't think Trump used Cohen as a lawyer in the way most people think about it. From public reporting I have seen, it appears that Trump used him for payoffs, and that Cohen was one of a number of people that would bring Trump shady business deals that usually included licensing the Trump name. Cohen was able to do well for himself and branched out into his own real estate holdings and his taxi medallions, which of course are worth a fraction of what he paid due to the rise of Uber.

I think Cohen's connection to Trump is psychological. Note that he whined about "wanting to be with you in DC boss" after Trump moved to DC. As Comey pointed out, Trump behaves like a mob boss, and Cohen is one of his sycophants that crowd around him for attention. Trump would routinely humiliate him in front of others though, and Cohen took it like a beta. Pretty weird relationship.

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110 points · 1 month ago

Classic example of codependency. I think Trump used Cohen as a fixer precisely because he didn't have many prospects.

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That is what drives Trump nuts more than anything, people that have a sense of integrity and won't bend it for attention from him. Being an insecure beta himself, people like Comey make him feel bigly insecure.

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Mueller's face must haunt him at night.

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85 points · 1 month ago

Michael Cohen Zuckercorn

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He's very good.

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The thing is, he was caught on tape saying he likes grabbing women by the pussy and no one cared about that. Nothing seems to matter with this guy

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Yeah. I don't have a whole lot of faith that this will move the needle any.

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Original Poster304 points · 1 month ago

Tapes makes everything better.

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701 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

I hate being that guy but does it really? I mean the fucking guy was caught on tape talking about grabbing pussy and he rode the meme all the way to Oval Office.

Edit: Well time to turn of the inbox replies!

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273 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

It actually did damage him in the polls. Unfortunately, it happened too far away from election day (August, I think?), and Hillary's emails made their grand appearance at the end of October.

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134 points · 1 month ago

It was early October, before the second debate, when the Access Hollywood tape came out.

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And, in a sheer random coincidence of happenstance, I'm sure, Wikileaks began releasing the Podesta emails later that same day.

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The same WikiLeaks that emailed the Guccifer hackers about trying to release the stolen DNC info a day before the Democratic convention was underway for maximum political effort.

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The same Guccifer that we now know to be the fake identity used by several russian psyop agents?

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Also the same day Obama announced publicly that Russia had hacked several American institutions...

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Yep. Absolutely no coincidence.

I've been posting this stuff since 2016 on Reddit. It was insane how most people failed to acknowledge how every time Trump screwed up, Wikileaks came in to the rescue to distract the masses.

They could have dumped everything at once, but they slow released emails at times when Trump needed it the most.

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And the first Podesta emails came out immediately after.

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I really hate the fact that you're right. Those pussy grabbing tapes would've sunk any other candidate.

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Howard Dean made a fucking noise and it ruined him politically. The baby boomers should not be allowed to vote anymore.

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436 points · 1 month ago

Don’t worry! Cult 45 stands at the ready with plethora excuses- I mean- explanations as to why this is no big deal!

“That doesn’t sound like Trump at all. FaEk NeWz!”

“So what? I didn’t vote for him because I thought he was a saint! I voted for him because (reasons)!”

And the ever popular catch all:

“And? Everybody does it. They’re all corrupt. At least he’s on OUR side...”

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300 points · 1 month ago

You forgot the old fallback:

"What about Hillary?"

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133 points · 1 month ago

She's all-powerful and everywhere! Yet somehow she couldn't win the election.

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That reminds me of old anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

"They are all powerful and everywhere"

"Then why couldn't they stop the holocaust or all the pogroms?"

"They were secretly behind those too. Assuming they even happened"

Yup. Almost exactly the same. Humanity sucks.

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50 points · 1 month ago

You perfectly summed up every FB post my mom has made since the election.

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167 points · 1 month ago

I need that pee tape. I need that to be real.

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I mean, it's not like it's Trump being peed on by reports, it's him paying prostitutes to pee on a bed while he watches, purportedly due to the fact that it's a bed the Obamas had used prior and he hates them that much.

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226 points · 1 month ago

The whole idea of getting someone to pee on a bed where someone you didn't like slept ONE TIME in the past is so stupid and illogical, so it's obviously something Trump did.

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Well... it does seem oddly specific. Like, why would someone make up that lie in particular? I mean, it's not like they're just saying he's on tape in bed with them or that they're peeing on him.

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2.7k points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Remember when 'binders full of women' were enough to keep you from reaching the Presidency?

Edit: Yes, yes, I get it. Having 'binders full of women' did not tank Romneys run at the White House. The 47% statement probably did that. I was simply pointing out that while he had misguided strategies to appeal to 1/2 the voting population that were clearly unflattering, our current sitting U.S. President literally spoke on camera about grabbing that same voting population like a goddamned bowling ball. His excuse? Because he's rich, and you can do that. Uck.

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Or when getting a little too excited at a rally and yelling "wooo" into your mic a little too loudly can sink your presidential bid (Howard Dean).

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422 points · 1 month ago

Howard Dean, of all people, must be pissed about what Trump is able to get away with.

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645 points · 1 month ago

I believe it was a very robust BYAAAA

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And that seriously derailed his campaign...the man is passionate

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Yeah it's sad. You can't get too excited in a hyped up room without derailing your whole campaign.

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334 points · 1 month ago

But you can mock a disabled reporter. Incredible.

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The “I Have a Scream” Speech.

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I never understood that, lol. The man was just excited, the hate was very odd

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72 points · 1 month ago

It shows weakness to get that excited. Look at him, he’s so excited to be president! So cute!

Not saying it makes sense, but I have a feeling that’s the gutteral reaction at work.

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54 points · 1 month ago · edited 1 month ago

Your post brought up a lot of questions for me.

Why do we continue to define empathy as a weakness? It's a strength in leadership. Sociopaths are iffy leaders at best (I separate sociopaths and narcissists/kleptocrats), and yet we continue to inadvertently prop them up as better leaders. They have to make the 'tough decisions'. Although I understand that not everyone can always get what they want, and sometimes a leadership decision would require you to make sacrifices of resources and people, shouldn't a leader be someone who understands the cost?

I guess sociopaths are more quick to decide on sacrifices of people/things, but is it worth it? Is it all about intimidation? They really only help you as long as you're useful. The second you stop serving a purpose you're gone. That can feel like winning I guess? If you create a society where it's very obvious who the 'losers' and 'winners' are there's some superficial security in the idea of your success. It's a very insecure thing to need to know who won and who lost, there's some kind of comfort in knowing you weren't last, but I don't think it's worth it.

I don't expect you to have the answers to any of this, obviously, but I thought I'd share in your line of thinking.

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I think empathetic people aren't willing to do anything and everything they can to get ahead while sociopaths, narcissists, etc., are, so they elbow their way into leadership. So you're in a leadership role, and you don't value empathy, you value the same behaviors that got you where you are, so that's what you encourage in the people you choose to surround yourself with and the successors you mentor. Eventually, that becomes entrenched as "how to be successful," not because it's actually good for society for our leaders to be soulless, power-hungry sociopaths, but because soulless, power-hungry sociopaths made it that way, and they become the gatekeepers to leadership.

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That was actually a perfectly reasonable shout/scream/hoot/holler as well. Early 2000's was a weird time.

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Still can't believe that's all it took for that guy to be brought down lol. My god how things have changed.

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1.0k points · 1 month ago

President Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with Mr. Trump two months before the presidential election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording.

He secretly taped a conversation with his own client about an extremely sensitive, legally questionable arrangement. Can't wait to find out what secret "legal" work he did for Hannity.

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554 points · 1 month ago

Hannity being implicated in all this would be the cherry on top!

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779 points · 1 month agoGilded1

Plot twist: Hannity is the former Playboy model.

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167 points · 1 month ago

I have mixed feelings about upvoting you. On one hand it's a great comment and hilarious, but on the other hand I now have the image of Hannity posing as Marilyn Monroe stuck in my head...

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Howard! It's Bateman, Patrick Bateman. You're my lawyer so I think you should know I've killed a lot of people. Some escort girls... Uh... I don't want to leave anything out here — I guess I've killed maybe... 20 people... maybe 40! Uh- huh huh-I have uh... tapes of a lot of it. Some of the girls have seen the tapes — I even... I ate some of their brains and I tried to cook a little. Tonight, I uh- just had to kill a lot of people! And I'm not sure I'm gonna get away with it... this time. I mean... I mean I guess I'm a pretty sick guy. So, if you get back tomorrow, I may show up at Harry's Bar. So, you know, keep your eyes OPEN. Okay, bye.

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I need to return some videotapes.

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Now the question is, what else does Cohen have on tape that the FBI has that the general public hasn't been informed of yet?

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Exactly. It was a full year before the public learned about General Flynn's involvement in the kidnapping plot for Turkey's Erdogan. All we knew at first was "fired for lying to Pence".

They're not afraid of some more pornstar hush money, that's practically a point of pride for Donnie and his followers who think he's a good tough christian leader for cheating on every single one of his wives.

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124 points · 1 month ago

Hey, Let those who have not raw dogged a porn star after the birth of their 5th child while married to their 3rd wife cast the first stone .

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814 points · 1 month ago

theres a LOT of conservatives out there that trash on Bill Clinton for cheating on Hillary.

cant wait for them to turn up against Trump..

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That's been tough for me. I was a teenager when Clinton was in office, so remember everything pretty well. The fact that Trump made it out of the republican primaries alive was proof to me that many conservatives don't really care about 'family values' in practice as much as they do on paper. It's sad, and is obvious that character only matters about 1/20th as much as political leanings. In other words, it's a side note and not important. I thought I hated politics before.... but nothing could have prepared me for how much I hate everything about general politics at this point. As a conservative, I'm stuck between either supporting a political/economic ideology I disagree with, or supporting a leader who, on a personal level, I have no respect for and who I think is a genuinely terrible person. At least, that's how it's laid out in our dual-party system. I pretty much hate everything at this point.

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210 points · 1 month ago

I would encourage you to vote in primary elections. If enough Republicans get together in 2020 they can put someone else on the ticket under the Republican banner.

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Only if Republicans stop manipulating their Christian base. You would think getting duped by the likes of Trump would be a wake up call that just because some Evangelical pastors pray over an idiot doesn't make him holy or righteous or ordained by God with some "plot twist" explanation. I used to vote republican until they hijacked my faith and decided to blend religion with government. Now I vote for whoever champions humans regardless of their "conservativeness." People need to stop being puppets and vote the issues, and competency in leadership and stop making a mockery of the democratic process. Leadership matters. It isn't a reality show. But it sure is our reality now and it is embarrassing.

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I’m very liberal, and I can respect where you’re coming from. I also hate the state of politics in our country. Though we likely disagree on many issues, it sounds like we share a common morality. I feel like the two party system we have serves our politicians(and whatever special interests can afford to buy them) more than it serves the people. We’re going to have to change from a “first past the post” election system to something with a degree of proportional representation of we’re ever going to escape from a two party system.

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That's why when I discuss under the table payments to pornstars with my fixer, I make sure that both of us are completely naked to avoid situations like that

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The goalposts have been moved so far from 2016. This would have been a CAREER ENDING scandal just two years ago. Now it's just Friday

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  1. There is no tape. Fake News.

  2. The voice on the tape isn’t mine

  3. My words on the tape are being taken out of context.

  4. This is a normal task for a fixer. No crime here.

  5. The tape proves somebody else committed a crime.

I’m estimating 72 hours to go from 1 to 5.

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142 points · 1 month ago

Further proving one thing.

If you're not the king, record that shit. Might save your ass later.

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14 points · 1 month ago

Also, prostitution is legal for rich people.

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497 points · 1 month ago

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Add it to the pile.

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That's right! Once again it's time for that hit game that's sweeping the nation: "What Even Matters Anymore?"

The rules are simple: we'll look at a story coming out of the White House and our contestants will tell us if it even matters anymore.

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I wish I could say that this is a big deal, but look at all the far more horrible shit Donald Trump has been given a pass for. None of the people who are sitting by allowing him to conspire with Russia openly are going to give a shit about the fact that he lied about paying off a pornstar.

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Maybe not in the court of public opinion, but according to the article the tape was given to the FBI as part of the FBI's raid of Cohen's office. The FBI will give a shit.

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321 points · 1 month ago

The blessing in all of this is that it will hopefully motivate apathetic voters. Changing the minds of Trump's base is not going to happen, but making fence-sitters get off their asses is possible.

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152 points · 1 month ago

This said playboy model, it’s not about Stormy Daniels, though it’s drawing a fine line to say that playboy models are not porn stars.

The article references Karen Mcdougal, the one that had her story captured and killed by the owners of the National Enquirer. Cohen did not write her a check. I don’t know if he even facilitated that payment at all.

But by vaguely saying playboy model it leaves open the possibility that it is Sarah Bechard, the playboy playmate that Elliot Broidy paid off, via Michael Cohen. If that is the case, and we find out that Trump had an affair with her, and not Broidy, then that’s a horse of a different color. Infidelity is one thing, paying a model to have an abortion is a whole other thing that would be vastly more damaging to his base. Many republicans are single issue voters around abortion, this may drive a wedge amongst that group of republicans around Trumps abortion scandal.

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64 points · 1 month ago

Infidelity is one thing, paying a model to have an abortion is a whole other thing that would be vastly more damaging to his base.

You overestimate his base.

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I like your optimism, but I hiiiighly doubt any evangelical trump supporters would give a shit if he paid a woman, or even multiple women, to have an abortion. He could administer abortion pills to a woman on Fox News and watch her bleed it out on live TV, while singing a song about how he loves abortion, and they would still vote for him in 2020.

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It’s okay, just put it on the pile. This is a long-game. Let Mueller do his thing.

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This isn't the pornstar (Stormy), this is a different woman who is rumored to have been coerced into having an abortion.

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No this is actually about a different women (yes there 3 women that we know about that Trump may have had NDA's made about).

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113 points · 1 month ago

So the question here is whether or not this payment violated campaign finance law. Giuliani said since Trump directed Cohen to write a check rather than use cash, that displays a willingness for transparency and thus exonerates him.

Lawyers, does this hold muster? Or is it bullshit?

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Giuliani also said, according to the linked article, that the payment was never made so I'm going to go ahead and say that anything Giuliani is saying on the matter is bullshit (not a lawyer though).

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This can't be true. Trump said on Air Force One he knew nothing about this????

This would mean.... He..Lied?

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87 points · 1 month ago

“whatever I said on those tapes that was bad, I meant the opposite” - trump, probably

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171 points · 1 month agoGilded1 · edited 1 month ago

"OMG THE PRESIDENT LIED TO AMERICA!!", 1998

"So the president lied to America", 2018

The Faux Outrage, what a difference 20 years make.

Edit: Thank you kind person for the gold.

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18 points · 1 month ago

You don't need twenty years. They spout hypocrisy within the same paragraph daily.

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At this point my brain is mush from trying to understand how his base can still support him... He lies about everything, and then BAM! The truth comes out that he was indeed lying and it's just shrugged off. How? How is it not considered that maybe, just maybe, he's lying about other things as well! Maybe he is just a slack-jawed mouth breather working as a Russian asset, and not the Titan of industry his base would like to think he is?

Edit: grammar

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I see the new line for the misinformation crew is "so what, nothing will happen, it doesn't matter." They are actively encouraging complacency to dull the impact of each new revelation.

A reminder that the president has repeatedly and brazenly lied to reporters and the American public about this subject. A reminder that he's leading a party which attempts to shove its moral superiority down everyone's throat. A reminder that crimes may very well have been committed in the process of this whole affair and payment.

Make no mistake, it matters. The trolls want people to get nice and complacent so they just stay home and do nothing about it. Call your members of Congress, donate to campaigns, volunteer, and VOTE. Make sure you're registered, look up your state's primary dates, and vote in the general election.

If the Dems take the House (quite likely right now) then we finally get some semblance of checks and balances back in the government. It gives the Dems subpoena power so the American people can finally see the depths of the corruption that's been going on.

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I think the real question here is “what kind of fucked up world do we live in where the national enquirer actually has real stories?”

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