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PayPal Cuts Off Infowars, Joining Other Tech Giants by shill_hunter_x in news

[–]dizekat 78 points79 points  (0 children)

The issue is not even that he's controversial, it's that a plenty of the content is simply illegal under libel/defamation laws (namely when he accuses ordinary people of crimes), and not just in some letter of the law iffy way in precisely the way that libel laws were intended for (he's a self described performance artist meaning that he literally claimed he knows the crazy statements are false, and nutjobs are showing up with guns).

The support is not being dropped because silicon valley is so liberal. It's libertarian as hell. It's because the moron has literally claimed in court that he doesn't believe his own statements (in a custody case about his kids), which has very serious legal ramifications because while speech is protected, a plenty of lying (defined as when you knowingly make false statements) is not.

From tech company perspective it is not any more of a slippery slope than shutting down payment support for a pedo image site.

PayPal Cuts Off Infowars, Joining Other Tech Giants by shill_hunter_x in news

[–]blorpblorpbloop 2106 points2107 points  (0 children)

He posted personal details and the locations of the homes of the parents of murdered children, defamed them and called them crisis actors. Some of them are still in hiding because of his actions. This was long overdue. Companies shouldn't support this type of incitement to violence. This isn't a free speech, at its core this is about not supporting evil.

I hope he loses every lawsuit filed by every grieving Sandyhook parent he defamed and winds up penniless.

PayPal Cuts Off Infowars, Joining Other Tech Giants by shill_hunter_x in news

[–]umwhatshisname 987 points988 points  (0 children)

While I think Alex Jones is an idiot, there is a principle here that is alarming. You are all happy about the power of these companies because Alex Jones is an obvious *tool so no one is bothered by what is happening to him. That's great but then how do you feel about net neutrality?

I bet you are a pretty big supporter right? Don't ISP's have the same right then to speed up or slow down content as they please? How can absolute censorship be ok and right in one case but other companies can't behave in the same way?

Either there are rights for all, even idiots, or there are none and we should stop pretending that there is any impartiality.

edit: stupid typo

PayPal Cuts Off Infowars, Joining Other Tech Giants by shill_hunter_x in news

[–]DJDramamine 333 points334 points  (0 children)

The problem I have with this point of view is that the tech companies don't have a responsibility to keep their service open to just anyone...

That's like saying YouTube promotes censorship because it automatically removes extremely violent/hateful content I'm general etc.

These platforms DO NOT want that kind of content displayed on their service and they have every right to not allow it.

If YouTube wanted to delete everything from one president elect then they would do so rightfully, but at their own risk. Something like that would be so controversial that it would harm them. Getting rid of Alex Jone's hateful content is the same way with a different size tradeoff

It all boils down to the fact that the internet is free and open. The services(even extremely successful ones) others provide are not or at least they don't have to be. If you don't like their censorship then use/create a different service.

TL;DR These platforms have every right to censor any of the content on their site. They don't always do it because of the potential backlash. These companies owe you nothing

PayPal Cuts Off Infowars, Joining Other Tech Giants by shill_hunter_x in news

[–]Zulanjo 976 points977 points  (0 children)

Here is my issue with Alex Jones being banned. While other Redditors ITT are saying that because he doxxed the parents of Sandy Hook that's good enough reason for him to be banned from everything, that is never the reason said platform gives for why they banned him.

Anytime he's banned from some other platform they state it's because he violated some content policy and then don't go on to point out either where he violated it or even which policy was violated specifically. Thats where the slippery slope starts, you ban the most extreme member of a group and give some vague reason it becomes open season to go after the next person, then the next, and so on.

Edit: People keep missing my point so im going to try to make it clearer

As of now no platform or big tech company that has banned Alex Jones has said cited what specifically they are banning him for, only that it is something he said that they don't agree with, which yes it could be the Sandy Hook debacle but for all we know it could also be because they don't think the water is turning the freaking frogs gay. The issue is none of these platforms have cited the specific thing(s) that they felt led them to him being banned and this leads to why so many people are calling this a slippery slope.

PayPal Cuts Off Infowars, Joining Other Tech Giants by shill_hunter_x in news

[–]blade740 165 points166 points  (0 children)

Legally, yes. Ethically, though, I hope people start taking notice of these sort of things. Companies like PayPal, Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit enjoy a near-monopoly on their respective markets, to the point where they nearly seem like public institutions. If these companies that used to be free and open continue to crack down on political opposition, we should stop treating them like public platforms and perhaps look for alternatives that respect the idea of freedom of speech.

Slowly but surely, society is becoming more and more accepting of echo chambers. I'm not sure if it seems from wanting to hear their opinions reinforced, or from wanting to "stick it to the other guys". It's easy to hate Alex Jones. The guy's a nutjob. But I still find him being cut off from PayPal and Twitter to be EXTREMELY worrying about the state of free speech in today's society.

2 St. Charles men accused of having enough Fentanyl to kill '1.5 million people' by whereswaaldo in news

[–]neutralvoter 42 points43 points  (0 children)

This is complete misinformation you have been fed by the media to scare you.

Here is an actual scientific report:

https://www.acmt.net/cgi/page.cgi/_zine.html/The_ACMT_Connection/ACMT_Statement_on_Fentanyl_Exposure

Please stop spreading misinformation.

" Fentanyl and its analogs are potent opioid receptor agonists, but the risk of clinically significant exposure to emergency responders is extremely low. To date, we have not seen reports of emergency responders developing signs or symptoms consistent with opioid toxicity from incidental contact with opioids. Incidental dermal absorption is unlikely to cause opioid toxicity. For routine handling of drug, nitrile gloves provide sufficient dermal protection "

Fentanyl is dangerous, absolutely, but you've gone off the deep end with your scenarios and I don't blame you, I blame the media.

British woman in Tenerife found with turtle in vagina after night out partying by Xurian_Spy in news

[–]panicky_in_the_uk 130 points131 points  (0 children)

Maybe the turtle was wearing her as part of his fancy dress costume. "I've come as a tortoise. Her? Oh that's Michelle."

Geddit? Michelle. Me shell. My shell.

Honestly sometimes I think I'm too funny for this site.

Edit: I feel I should confess that this isn't an original joke from me, it's a gag from one of the quick-fire type English comedians. I think Peter Kay but it might have been Tim Vine or Lee Mack.

Suge Knight Sentenced to 28 Years Over 2015 Hit-and-Run Death by BunyipPouch in news

[–]benagain1 1258 points1259 points  (0 children)

MOB Piru is a blood affiliated gang from Compton.

Dr. Dre is a well known rapper/producer who began his career in the late 80s/early 90s with the rap group NWA.

Suge was his bodyguard and later co-founder of his record label Death Row.

The 80s are a decade comprised of the years 1980-1989.

Suge Knight Sentenced to 28 Years Over 2015 Hit-and-Run Death by BunyipPouch in news

[–]Argos_the_Dog 893 points894 points  (0 children)

I always thought that was backwards code for "Parats gnag", which is Malaysian for "free beer".

Edit: thank you, whoever gilded me for speaking fake Malaysian.

The Kavanaugh vote has officially been canceled by EnigmaTrain in news

[–]poopybrain12 237 points238 points  (0 children)

A political hitjob so sloppy and blatant that one of the most liberal corners of the internet can't pretend it's legit. Amazing.

Navy Chief found dead in her Jacksonville home filed for protective order two weeks ago. by nicksatdown in news

[–]scruit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Causal Fallacy.

Implying a causation with two statements, and giving yourself the ability in the future to point out that you were either "correct because they are are related", or that you "never stated there was causation" if they turn out to be unrelated.

Navy Chief found dead in her Jacksonville home filed for protective order two weeks ago. by nicksatdown in news

[–]Here_I_Am_What_Now 533 points534 points  (0 children)

Domestic abuse is an absolute bitch which can definitely escalate to worse eventualities.

Back in 2005, I was living in London and I remember this one time as I'm walking down towards our university campus, I heard someone screaming and as I walked towards the source of the noise, I saw a young Asian woman getting kicked and her head banged against a car by an older Asian man (Found out they were Chinese afterwards).

I ran in and pushed the dude back and stepped in between them. I did not let him come any closer and pulled out my phone to call the police. He kept trying to get at her and I kept pushing him back. I was larger than him so that helped. Luckily, within a couple of minutes, there were two police cars out there and they basically took the dude aside and cuffed him.

A couple of weeks later I got a call from the Crown Court and went in to bear witness to the event. Found out later that day that the man had helped her migrate to the UK but she had started seeing someone while she was living with him (They were simply housemates). Apparently he got pissed off at that and had a go at her. They weren't even together!

Basically pretty fucked up!

EDIT: Someone PM’ed so I’ll just put it out there. This was in Kingston upon Thames, Surrey.

Navy Chief found dead in her Jacksonville home filed for protective order two weeks ago. by nicksatdown in news

[–]UrNotImpressing 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Wow! I'm so sorry that happened to your sister, and for you and your family's loss. I won't ever forget this post, and will pass along the wisdom wherever it's warranted.

Navy Chief found dead in her Jacksonville home filed for protective order two weeks ago. by nicksatdown in news

[–]Nazisarebadpeople 186 points187 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting. I will try not to hesitate in the future if I'm suspicious of yelling at night. I've ignored it before. But you're right, all I'd be risking is embarrassment

There have been more than 500 reports of price gouging in North Carolina after Florence by corginamedzelda in news

[–]cigr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What a crock of shit. Price gouging is nothing more than profiteers preying on the vulnerable. I saw people pulling this shit after Katrina. Trying to sell a truckload of $200 shit Harbor Freight generators for $1000 each. You're trying to pass this off as a good thing, but it's just more self-serving libertarian nonsense.

There have been more than 500 reports of price gouging in North Carolina after Florence by corginamedzelda in news

[–]drdrillaz 263 points264 points  (0 children)

I'll be the voice of reason here and explain why "price-gouging" is a good thing and that most economists agree with this opinion. Pricing of items works by supply-and-demand. Take batteries for example. People need batteries during emergencies. So they run to the store. Batteries normally cost say $5.99. I go in and batteries are still $5.99. I need say 2 packs. But i want to make sure i have enough just in case. So i buy 10 packs. The next guy does the same thing. Batteries run out very quickly because the first few people buy more than they need. Then they do the same thing for water, food, gas, generators, etc. So the first few people stockpile essentials leaving the masses with nothing. Now lets say the store doubles the price of all these items. The first few people then buy what they need and nothing more. The masses follow and there are still items available. Yes, it costs more but there's enough for everyone. Also, the store may do everything they can to restock items. It may cost 2x as much to get a delivery but since they are charging more it's worthwhile for them to do it. Conversely, if they can't charge more they have no incentive to restock leaving the shelves bare in a time of need. If you remember Katrina some entrepreneurs decided to buy some generators in the midwest and truck them down to New Orleans to sell. This should be a good thing because there was a huge need for them. Generators cost say $500. Then they had to rent a truck. Drive them down and then sell them at a profit because nobody works for free. They were prosecuted for "price-gouging". The result is next time nobody will bring generators. Nobody forced people to buy the generators but they were needed. Price-gouging is good but politicians don't understand economics are neither do the masses. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/business/hurricane-price-gouging.html

Palestinian stabs U.S.-Israeli citizen to death at West Bank mall by tta2013 in news

[–]deuceawesome 140 points141 points  (0 children)

I have never been able to pick a side in this one. Both teams are hard to cheer for.

Palestinian stabs U.S.-Israeli citizen to death at West Bank mall by tta2013 in news

[–]WhatATunt 68 points69 points  (0 children)

That Israel is and always will be the victim when it comes to this conflict.

At least that's the narrative I always see end up getting played out in these threads.

EDIT: Fuck off with your gold. Support the BDS movement instead or something.