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[–]SwitchUps 520 points521 points  (180 children)

Good that we keep this in the spotlight until justice is served.

[–]Tehnoxas 210 points211 points  (139 children)

I don't think it is much in the spotlight though. I've seen plenty of people speaking about the ICE and US border policies but nothing about Venezeula. Not saying that ones less important, both need attention but I think this needs far more than its getting

[–]RomeluLukaku10 109 points110 points  (2 children)

Another country going through this is Nicaragua. No one talks about that either.

[–]DJ_Velveteen 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Look up #sosnicaragua for current news. Warning: it's pretty horrifying

[–]habshabshabs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Also happened to an extent in Honduras when the right wing government rigged an election giving the incumbent president a second term that goes against the constitution but nobody cares at all. There was also the 2009 coup d'état and chaos afterwards as well. Fun times in the banana republics.

[–]ThingOverThere 76 points77 points  (59 children)

The US one absolutely is less important...

[–]Revoran 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's further from home both in actual distance and in tribalism.

A good chunk of Reddit is Americans and other native english speakers (I'm Aussie). Then there's also a lot of Europeans who have a relatively similar society to America/Australia etc. If America is doing some nasty shit at the border, Europeans and Americans and Australians etc can relate. But it's harder to relate to what is happening in Venezuela.

I'd bet half of us couldn't point out Venezuela on a map, and of those who could, half couldn't tell you much about Venezuela and their problems other than it's a poor Spanish-speaking country.

I'd say the big exception to this would be Israel/Palestine which is talked about constantly.

I agree it should get more attention, though.

[–]Tvc3333 87 points88 points  (70 children)

If they could find a way to blame the murders in Venezeula on Trump we would be hearing about it non stop

[–]J0E_SpRaY 87 points88 points  (57 children)

And yet here you are, making it about trump.

[–]Ni987 4 points5 points  (4 children)

While Sean Penn, Oliver Stone, Jesse Jackson, Michael Moore, Jeremy Corbyn and Noam Chomsky was busy jerking off Hugo Chavez...

Meaning the left will be silent about the atrocities in Venezuela and the right will be busy attacking the left of its usual naive infatuation with everything revolutionary instead of addressing the real problem - the situation in Venezuela...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hugo Chavez is long dead.

[–]Tehnoxas 29 points30 points  (5 children)

This is partly true. People love resisting Trump.

[–]Tvc3333 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm shocked and amazed this hasn't been blamed on Trump.

[–]iactuallygiveadamn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

american intervention in south america and the manufacturing of consent to commit war crimes is very much american tradition, as much as the fourth of july and hot dogs. cant blame a century long tradition on a man that wasnt even born at the time

[–]GlitteringComplaint 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Conservative victim complex has gotten old for years by now. Give it a rest.

[–]Zephinism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because people find the US more important. Anything about Central Asian states gets buried in downvotes in this subreddit. Try posting about some of the fucked up things happening in Tajikistan and see for yourself.

[–]archenemy3066 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yea! Send the united states! They'll get the bad guys!

[–]Hermaphrotitties 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Short of invading Venezuela how do you think justice is going to be served?

[–]GameDevIntheMake 243 points244 points  (10 children)

One of my university's mates was killed by the military police (also known as the bolivarian national guard). He wasn't even directly involved in the protest, he was standing close to an improvised barricade and was shot with a marble, almost half an inch in diameter. Nobody knows if the shooter faced justice, but since the civilians were the ones being prosecuted by martial law (another little known fact), I doubt that the killer received even a slap on the wrist. He was a biologist, working on some ecological conservation efforts.

EDIT: Thanks, I should clarify that even though I knew him, but we weren't close. Most of my friends are ents that wouldn't get involved in this kind of thing.

[–]Admins_Suck_Dick 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Fuck. I'm really sorry to hear that. My condolensces to you and your friend's family.

[–]nairdaleo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My mom used to say “maldito sea el soldado que apunta su arma a sus compatriotas” (damned be the soldier that points his gun to his compatriots)

This was in Mexico; she lived through the student massacre of ‘68

[–]ProfessorUber 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m really sorry for your loss.

[–]Asmutant 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for your loss.

[–]Koioua 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I am from Dominican Republic and we have received a lot of people from Venezuela. Most work in Uber or in restaurants at least from my personal experience. One day my Uber was Venezuelan, easy to notice from their accent, and since traffic here is so bad, we started to talk. He told me that he was an agronomic Engineer if I remember, and he had a good life in Venezuela prior to the crisis. He told me he had a large Villa and his family was in the right tracks, since all his sons were professionals. When the crisis started, things got really though for his family, to the point where the government basically took his property and he decided to emigrate here. From being a professional well paid engineer to an illegal immigrant working as a Uber driver. I really hoped the best for him. Each time I meet somone from Venezuela, I try to help them as much as I can because of that.

[–]Fantasticxbox 117 points118 points  (6 children)

At this point, I'm gonna open a depression pills store at the UN.

[–]Kiwi_Force 39 points40 points  (5 children)

I do hear that UN workers have a very dark sense of humour, drug issues, alcohol issues etc almost entirely because of how depressing it is to work there.

[–]commando60 43 points44 points  (2 children)

I mean can you blame them. They probably see terrible shit but cant do jack

[–]Kiwi_Force 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Exactly, not only that but to work at the UN you have to have had some drive at some point to do good in the world. Having that slowly wash away can't help.

[–]SecularBinoculars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

working there has to be like living in a community where no crime is to bad and everyone avoids talking about it because no one wants to have their own bubble burst.

[–]slaperfest 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Gallows humor always appears in rough jobs. It's a necessity.

[–]Kiwi_Force 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just ask any grunts to tell you a joke.

[–]nateofficial 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's not Trump, so no one cares.

[–]Dwarmin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not Trump or Israel, so ZZZ.

[–]TitsForTwat 29 points30 points  (38 children)

Could any Venezuelan here give me the cliff's notes on the best or worst case scenario in the coming future?

[–]HibikiSS[S] 108 points109 points  (32 children)

I'm Venezuelan. Well, Maduro has the entire country against him, including a large part of the military, he only has the support of the generals that are part of the Cuban mafias, but the lower ranking officers all hate him. I'm pretty sure It's just a matter of time at this point for a coup to happen. Best case scenario is that it will happen in the next few months and the worst case scenario is that it will happen by the end of the year.

[–]Arcvalons 65 points66 points  (5 children)

But people have been saying the Venezuelan government is on the verge of collapse for like 6 years now.

[–]DukeOfGeek 32 points33 points  (0 children)

More like 8, but now it seems it really might be. Maduro has had plenty of opportunity to turn things around and his failure is pretty complete. Even leftist groups want him replaced for a while now.

[–]erhue 9 points10 points  (0 children)

True that. However, this is the first time that several conditions take place (for the first time) during this regime. Actual (I think?) hyperinflation, critically low output from PDVSA (low enough that OPEC is increasing production specifically to address this) and probably record low levels of popularity for the regime, so probably nobody will come out to defend Maduro if a coup does eventually take place.

[–]Marto25 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, how do you define "collapse"?

If by that you mean a revolution overthrowing the government, that is unlikely to happen unless civilians/militias have access to weapons (which they don't) and if they are willing and able to do it (which they aren't, because they are weak,hungry and tired).

Never underestimate what hunger can do to people.

[–]ThaneKyrell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The way things are going, Maduro won't have the money to pay for the support of the military and the government

[–]lurkingglass 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Can you explain your Cuban Mafias comment? I've never heard anything about this. Are they Cuban but in the Venezuelan Military, or are they Venezuelan with ties to Cuban crime families?

[–]HibikiSS[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A little of both.

[–]nerf_this_nao 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If I remember my netflix documentary correctly, back when Both Castro and Hugo Chavez were alive, they made a deal where Venezuela would provide cheap/free oil to Cuba. In return, Fidel Castro having a lot of educated doctors/nurses/engineers in Cuba, would send them to Venezuela to pay him back. One way Castro also paid back Venezuela was also by sending military advisers and security apparatus given how good Cuba's communist government was with its secret police. This was a win win for Castro because not only did this bring the 2 countries closer together, the military/security forces meant that Cuba had a stronger influence behind the scenes.

[–]fourredfruitstea 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure It's just a matter of time at this point for a coup to happen.

The very second a coup happens the narrative will go into "evil right wing fascists with US support ruins prosperous country in South America, just look at all this poverty".

[–]poklane 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What do you think are the chances of a civil war?

[–]HibikiSS[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Full blown civil war is very unlikely. There is a high chance that there will be a lot of guerrilla warfare against the communists once Maduro goes down thought. This isn't the first time we fought either. Back in the Betancourt days, there were hundreds of casualties.

[–]modestokun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And also the support of ....ya know.... a majority of the voters....

[–]TitsForTwat 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Obliged, I'm mostly guessing at this point but I'm sure there'll be a political backing behind the impending military coup, if so, then how popular is the alternative to the current regime when it comes to financial and social policies?

Nevertheless, hope you people get your country on the right track.

[–]HibikiSS[S] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Meh, the usual politically correct point of view doesn't apply here. If a coup happens I'm sure there won't be that much opposition because the international rejection against the Venezuelan government is so huge that Maduro has become something like a modern "Hitler" in people's eyes. Even the hardcore chavist teams don't like him.

There are opposition politicians that are fairly popular like Leopoldo and Maria Corina. (right now I think she has the most support) But since solving the crisis is relatively easy, then that doesn't matter that much since whoever comes after Maduro will be able to get support from a huge part of the population if the crisis is solved.

[–]GameDevIntheMake 9 points10 points  (2 children)

If Maduro is ousted by a military coup, it's logical that whoever comes next, will have the military's interests as their foremost priority. What I mean is, that in the case Maduro is ousted by the same people that supported him before, nothing is bound to improve.

At this point, I suspect that our only chance is for the economy to take them down with it, his (senseless) policies are suffocating all of us, not even the people that used to be somewhat well-off are doing fine, and the poorest are actively dying. I was approached yesterday by a man (a beggar) and he was very, very thin and almost couldn't talk. He asked me for money, but the truth is that I had none, cash is useless and I don't carry any. If I had given him the largest bill there is, he could have bought nothing at all. Canned tuna costs 5m Bs.F, and the highest banknote is worth 50 times less.

[–]pkdrdoom 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was approached yesterday by a man (a beggar) and he was very, very thin and almost couldn't talk. He asked me for money, but the truth is that I had none, cash is useless and I don't carry any. If I had given him the largest bill there is, he could have bought nothing at all. Canned tuna costs 5m Bs.F, and the highest banknote is worth 50 times less.

Yep. I give them food now (energy bars, etc), cash is worthless unless you give them a huuuge bag of it or something (like in cartoons).

Its really sad, especially the "children of the streets".

I'm even giving stuff that isn't necessarily nutritious. I have some candy bars, lollipops and other stuff from last Halloween I know I won't eat them so I give them away. I fear for their teeth... but at the same time I know most (both kids and adults) haven't had one (candy, etc) in a long time probably.

[–]Huvv 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How the hell are you able to live with the crazy hyperinflation?

[–]falls_asleep_reading 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Where can I contribute to the coup efforts?

That's half a (bad) joke and I do not mean to make light of the horrific conditions and situation in your country at all. But "thoughts and prayers" seems a fairly useless and trite notion under the circumstances, and I wish there was something tangible that we in other countries could do to help those of you in Venezuela right now.

[–]Silidistani 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Best case scenario is that it will happen in the next few months and the worst case scenario is that it will happen by the end of the year.

It's really so sad it came to this, there were so many opportunities to turn back from this path but every single time Chavez and then later Maduro had a chance to reverse course they merely doubled down instead. It's what Chavez learned from Fidel and he wasn't smart enough to figure out any other course on his own. Years ago I told my in-laws and my friends in Venezuela that what Chavez was putting in place would not be undone without a revolution, and that history shows whenever other nations took this path it always ended up badly for first the lower class, then the middle class (which Venezuela never had much of) then everyone else. Some of them agreed, and worried, but some of them insisted that they would turn the course with protests, and used to march in them for years. One was arrested by the criminals that Venezuela now calls police and vanished for nearly a week before he was let out after having been beaten badly to give out names of people in the marches.

Now all of those friends and famjly live either in Panama, Costa Rica, or Miami - except a few who can't get out yet still :-(

[–]Dracmanos 5 points6 points  (2 children)

My man, even if he's out the Venezuelan people are already brainwashed, people have a "ranch" in their heads and they rather steal and kill than go to school and get an education. It will take decades to change the Venezuelan mentality which is now rotten.

[–]parishiIt0n 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That's largely because productive venezuelans started to leave the country 15 years ago

[–]Dracmanos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It strengthens my point

[–]Evildietz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget he has the support of 31% of eligible voters.

[–]Dracmanos 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I would put it this way, best case scenario Maduro and the Cuban G2 are out, we still would have to deal with the mental degradation and the brainwashed masses that are now infesting the country. Kids literally want to be criminals when they grow up instead of an actual professional. Worst case.... We become New Zimbabwe.

[–]dmVuZXp1ZWxhbXVlcmU7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Best case - Maduro resigns, a economic reform is carried out, humanitarian aid is allowed into the country, a constituent assembly is called to change the constitution

Worst case - Maduro doesn't resign, borders, telecom get shut down by militaries, the genocide intensifies

[–]Anonymocoso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lots of posters at /r/Vzla can write in English.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like the Syrian refugee crisis, without the buildings collapsing

[–]VodTeq 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Isn't it interesting how this sub almost, just almost turns back into an actual news subreddit on the weekends?

[–]carlosamadeo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Consequences of letting the left get in power and stay there.

[–]Sampharo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Egyptian forces massacred over a thousand protestors in 2014 after the military coup.

Just saying UN condemnations and reminders don't do shit.

[–]mushroom-soup 17 points18 points  (22 children)

Somebody needs to do something.

[–]Are_you_blind_sir 12 points13 points  (1 child)

By order of the jarl stop right there

[–]Hail2theBear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people, what say you in your defense?

[–]BlackMushrooms 13 points14 points  (3 children)


[–]yoyoyoitsyaboyebigb 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Somebody! Can’t you read?

[–]hiding_from_my_gf 10 points11 points  (1 child)

i got this, guys.

[–]nowyourmad 10 points11 points  (0 children)

can't be you, your gf might see. SOMEBODY!

[–]Ralph-RaccooN 9 points10 points  (1 child)

America! till they do than we shame the fuck of them for world policing.

[–]lurkingglass 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You get it.

[–]njl4515 200 points201 points  (70 children)

Venuzuela is killing protesters!

Time to sanction Israel!

[–]RVA2DC 43 points44 points  (28 children)

Wasn’t Israel killing protesters just recently too?

I get the “joke” - that the UN is unfair with regards to the country that it created (Israel) but I think it’s ok to be against both the bullshit that Israel does and the bullshit that Venezuela does.

[–]nowyourmad 67 points68 points  (19 children)

protestors..? no, Israel made it abundantly clear if you approach this fence we will shoot you. They also were ordered to shoot the legs when possible. Why? because the people charging the fence were going to kill jews if they got in. Hamas was paying people who got injured and survived charging the fence. Also, remember that baby that "died to tear gas"? Hamas paid the family 2 grand to say that's how the baby died. She had a blood condition that killed her brother as well.

[–]DancesCloseToTheFire 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I mean, Venezuala made it abundantly clear that opposing the government will get you shot, that still makes them protesters.

[–]TheNewFro 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Protestors yes. THe IRanian protestors burnt a police station too.

Where are Israel's borders? If shooting at people crossing a border is acceptable then the Israeli settlers should be shot in the West Bank too. So when an Israeli settler in the west bank is killed then that is equally justified.

[–]laconicflow 18 points19 points  (7 children)

I'd make the argument that borders aren't theoretical, but actual. So Israel is, in actuality, whatever Israel can lay physical claim to. If it builds settlements in the west bank and no one stops it, that becomes Israel. If Mexico didn't recognize the land we took from it in 1848, we, being the US would still own it.

[–]JediMindTrick188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that scientifically, shooting someone in the leg makes as much sense as shooting them in torso, or anywhere else

[–]BERNIE2020ftw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

no, Israel made it abundantly clear if you approach this fence we will shoot you.

so if the us made it clear that we would shoot all migrants from mexico that would be justified?

They also were ordered to shoot the legs when possible.

Oh well thats just great I also like to shoot people who dont pose a real threat to me in the legs, how many israelis were hurt in the clashes?

[–]nowyourmad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

so if the us made it clear that we would shoot all migrants from mexico that would be justified?

..if mexicans rallied to charge the border to murder americans then yes, it would be. They aren't at all so it's not the same at all?

[–]TheNewFro 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Ok let me point it more clearly. Can you list a single sanction the UN has imposed on Israel?

Maybe like the real sanctions that were put on Iran.

This is about facts.

[–]lsm14 32 points33 points  (7 children)

The UN hasn't sanctioned Israel but the Human Rights Council has condemned Israel 68 times from 2006 to 2016 and Venezuela zero times.

[–]TheNewFro 6 points7 points  (9 children)

There is not a single real UN sanction that has an impact of even $1 on Israel.

You want to talk about double standards?

Did the UN apply real sanctions on Iran? Here. This is the double standard. Israel has fucking nuclear weapons! Iran doesn't.

The UN Security Council passed a number of resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran, following the report by the International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors regarding Iran's non-compliance with its safeguards agreement and the Board's finding that Iran's nuclear activities raised questions within the competency of the Security Council. Sanctions were first imposed when Iran rejected the Security Council's demand that Iran suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities. Sanctions will be lifted when Iran meets those demands and fulfills the requirements of the IAEA Board of Governors. To-date, Iran sanctions are the toughest the world community has imposed on any country.[12]

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1696 – passed on 31 July 2006. Demanded that Iran suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities and threatened sanctions.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737 – passed on 23 December 2006 in response to the proliferation risks presented by the Iranian nuclear program and, in this context, by Iran's continuing failure to meet the requirements of the International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors and to comply with the provisions of Security Council resolution 1696 (2006).[13] Made mandatory for Iran to suspend enrichment-related and reprocessing activities and cooperate with the IAEA, imposed sanctions banning the supply of nuclear-related materials and technology, and froze the assets of key individuals and companies related to the program.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 – passed on 24 March 2007. Imposed an arms embargo and expanded the freeze on Iranian assets.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1803 – passed on 3 March 2008. Extended the asset freezes and called upon states to monitor the activities of Iranian banks, inspect Iranian ships and aircraft, and to monitor the movement of individuals involved with the program through their territory.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1835 – Passed in 2008.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1929 – passed on 9 June 2010. Banned Iran from participating in any activities related to ballistic missiles, tightened the arms embargo, travel bans on individuals involved with the program, froze the funds and assets of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, and recommended that states inspect Iranian cargo, prohibit the servicing of Iranian vessels involved in prohibited activities, prevent the provision of financial services used for sensitive nuclear activities, closely watch Iranian individuals and entities when dealing with them, prohibit the opening of Iranian banks on their territory and prevent Iranian banks from entering into relationship with their banks if it might contribute to the nuclear program, and prevent financial institutions operating in their territory from opening offices and accounts in Iran.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1984 – passed on 9 June 2011. This resolution extended the mandate of the panel of experts that supports the Iran Sanctions Committee for one year.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2049 – passed on 7 June 2012. Renewed the mandate of the Iran Sanctions Committee’s Panel of Experts for 13 months.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2231 – passed on 20 July 2015. Sets out a schedule for suspending and eventually lifting UN sanctions, with provisions to reimpose UN sanctions in case of non-performance by Iran, in accordance with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

[–]armchair_hunter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Iran has signed the NPT. Israel hasn't, nor is it the only one.

[–]LiberatorFalcon 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Israel has fucking nuclear weapons! Iran doesn't.


[–]TheNewFro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the fucking double standards. You Israeli propagandists who lie about how there is a double standard against Israel.

[–]Sapiendoggo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

One of those countries has had nukes for years and never used them the other is a terror state that talks about killing non believers and Jews, I trust isreal with nukes over Iran as they have never used them but could have several times.

[–]CadetPeepers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is not a single real UN sanction that has an impact of even $1 on Israel.

I'll agree that the UNHRC is as much of a joke as the council it replaced and should be dissolved because it's a ineffectual steaming pile of shit staffed by the worst human rights violators in the world.

[–]TheNewFro 2 points3 points  (7 children)

When has Israel ever been sanctioned by the UN? Can you name a single sanction?

Venezuala on the other hand has been sancitoned for real.

[–]small_loan_of_1M 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Venezuela hasn’t been sanctioned by the UN. Israel is sanctioned by its enemies.

[–]njl4515 7 points8 points  (1 child)

To my knowledge, the UN has never sanctioned Venezuela. The HRC has "condemned" other nations for doing it though: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/United-Nations-Human-Rights-Council-Adopts-Resolution-Condemning-Sanctions-Against-Venezuela-20180324-0001.html

[–]TheNewFro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

HRC has no binding powers. Where are the sanctions against Israel?

[–]TheNewFro 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You moved the goal post. The original comment was a lie. Please show actual evidence of real sanctions. Sanctions the word has a meaning.

[–]FugDisXD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the sound of someone crying out in pain as he strikes you.

[–]MJWood 3 points4 points  (2 children)

We sold them the riot gear.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Isn't Nicaragua experiencing something similar too (or worse)? Strange how few people care, I didn't know about either until these reddit posts

[–]Latham74 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Luckily Venezuela is on the UN Human Rights council. I'm sure that helps.

[–]linkns_86 90 points91 points  (71 children)

Not real socialism strikes again.

[–]CapitalismForFreedom 44 points45 points  (3 children)

It will work next time.

[–]ChickenLover841 19 points20 points  (2 children)

The trick is to ramp up coffin production early rather than later

[–]Jigpig 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Individual graves are a bit bourgeois... Perhaps we could recycle them for the greater good with hog farms?

[–]KimJonRonery 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hog farms? How rude! Spin up the soylent green!

[–]BulletBilll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You might want to switch to digital media.

[–]EfronsShotgun 34 points35 points  (58 children)

Meh, it's just corruption mixed with authoritarianism.

A democracy will fail just as hard if you put a bunch of corrupt oligarchs in charge of government. We've seen it before.

Also most kids talking about "Socialism" today think it means the Nordic model, which is actually a free market system with some social programs tacked on the side.

At this point I think we've established some sort of free market works best the globe over. Even China realized this and started adopting more from this idea. However, a totally free market will inevitably also cause problems for many so some people try to patch it with some other ideas.

[–]Yeehaw_McKickass 59 points60 points  (17 children)

They seized the means of production.....that's not corruption mixed with authoritarianism. That is socialism

[–]DancesCloseToTheFire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's only not authoritarianism if you have the freedom to have an opinion.

[–]BulletBilll 5 points6 points  (13 children)

And what happens if someone speaks out against the ruling class? Oh they get shot dead? Yeah that's some authoritarianism.

[–]beeswaxx 17 points18 points  (12 children)

socialism leads to authoritarianism

once you seize all means of production, your power becomes too great and inevitably you become authoritarian

human nature is an unstoppable beast.

i will always say: capitalism isn't a great system as it leads to the wealthy becoming increasingly richer and they command economic policy while the poor suffer, but it's still better than socialism

[–]Territomauvais 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Tell me how you feel about

Social Security, Universal Basic Income, Tuition-Free Higher Ed


In a capitalist society. I'm just curious to be honest. Thanks if you reply, have a great life if not :)

[–]beeswaxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that would refer to a social democracy, and it's probably the best system currently that we have available

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is definitely state socialism.

[–]dmVuZXp1ZWxhbXVlcmU7 0 points1 point  (8 children)

A democracy will fail just as hard if you put a bunch of corrupt oligarchs in charge of government. We've seen it before

You couldn't name one, because there hadn't been the first democracy where that happened.

It's also worth mentioning that Venezuela became the 4th largest economy in terms of GDP per capita during a right wing authoritarian dictatorship. Life conditions were the best in the south american region, the third one in the continent followed by Canadá and the U.S

Venezuela, one of the socialist country in the region was just unlucky, right?

[–]G_reth 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That was because of the oil, but that industry has since collapseddue to cheap Middle Eastern oil.

[–]beeswaxx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

when oil was at it most expensive they could have invested that surplus into diversified industries that contribute to GDP, but socialism leads to authoritarianism because of all the power it grants the government (you literally own everything)

so instead of using that immense wealth for good, Chavez stole and wasted it, just like all socialist governments in the past.

[–]dmVuZXp1ZWxhbXVlcmU7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not the fist time oil prices went down. Some decades ago Venezuela saw its oil revenue cut when oil was below $40/bbl (lower than today's $70/bbl) and the country didn't suffer a humanitarian crisis or a massive exodus.

It's also worth mentioning that Venezuela during low oil prices, received 5 millions of colombians refugee into its border and took care of many them.

[–]Cocaineandmojitos710 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Are you defending Venezuela in this thread, but also talking about you starving to death and accepting PayPal donations on another?

[–]SKINNERRRR 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Good thing the UN was created, to remind people about injustice. I wish there was something like the UN but actually did something.

[–]Insertblamehere 24 points25 points  (6 children)

America was like that, but they weren't perfect about it so rip them.

Of course they also did a lot of bad shit, like the banana republic incidents, but they also responded to injustice until the world turned against them for it.

[–]SKINNERRRR 42 points43 points  (3 children)

The US is the only reason why we (the west) are still free, nobody is perfect but if you think they are an aggressor in the world arena, try and imagine what the west would look like without them.

From a Scot.

God bless the USA.

[–]Nv1023 16 points17 points  (0 children)

For sure. Definitely don’t want a world with China or Russia on top calling the shots. Would be a very different world.

[–]small_loan_of_1M 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You gave us Trump ya bastards

God bless Scotland

[–]CommandoDude 27 points28 points  (10 children)

So, how does r/socialism spin this one?

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (8 children)

"not REAL socialism" as always!

[–]CommandoDude 31 points32 points  (7 children)

Actually most of /socialism does endorse Venezuela as socialist. But they're tankies so they support Maduro anyways and blame its problems on us imperialism.

[–]Cocaineandmojitos710 17 points18 points  (3 children)

it's a sub that is majority under 21 students living with their parents, according to the survey they did

[–]havenjay 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I’m assuming it’s also mostly white and middle class.

[–]Cocaineandmojitos710 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And don't forget that most of them don't have jobs too!

[–]havenjay 16 points17 points  (0 children)

“Most of the protesters were ungrateful bourgeoisie swine anyways. They deserved it.”

[–]DancesCloseToTheFire 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's a cesspool, and I say that as a person with socialist leanings. They are just clueless kids who buy into propaganda instead of doing research.

[–]NedIsakoff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where is the glorious UN Human Rights Council?

[–]BritishSenior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's also good to remind everyone that rhe victims were mostly teenagers and young adults.. 18-24. Source: Venezuelan

[–]Hwga_lurker_tw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

killed killing

They're still doing it.

[–]Pathfinder24 14 points15 points  (1 child)

"But what about Israel?!!" -UNHRC

[–]Marto25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This news article about Venezuela literally comes from UNHRC.

[–]Slayer562 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Gotta love socialism!

[–]h4zardz 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Someone tell r/latestagecapitalism but know that they ban any facts

[–]Carbon60TH 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Venezuela, come for the socialism, stay for your burial.

[–]maximuffin2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

which also killed multiple security guards and police.

[–]Human212526 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why is nobody taking about the genocide happening in Cameroon?

[–]Huvv 3 points4 points  (0 children)


[–]Wedding_Crasher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really interesting piece on The Indicator on Venezuela inflation: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/06/19/621570477/the-measure-of-a-tragedy

[–]highplainsdrifter90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Madurao is a donkey

[–]AusNorman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you? Did you actually do anything about it? :/

[–]vris92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they didnt do that

[–]vris92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this literlaly is not occuring

[–]Fuck-Bastard-Mcoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im sure they did and this isn’t just extremely biased capitalist reporting.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And here you all were chastising the US for withdrawing from the UN human rights council, which Venezuela is a part of.

[–]Bahamut1337 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder what the human rights counsel will do.

[–]meg11152017 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that's nothing compared to the hundreds of innocent people being slaughtered by Duterte in the Philippines every week. The tally for Duterte's victims is around 30,000 now probably. Now, he just doesn't target suspect drug users, but innocent bystanders who stay out late at night as well.

[–]TKisOK 5 points6 points  (4 children)

That may be true but besides that they are a socialist paradise

[–]PlatavsPlomo 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Socialism does love a starving populace.

[–]TKisOK 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Where everybody is equal

[–]PlatavsPlomo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Under socialism everyone is a slave and slaves can’t revolt if they are to weak from hunger.

[–]Slyrage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Venezuela kills hundreds of its own civilians and the UN rights a strongly-worded letter good job

[–]mynameisprobablygabe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The beauties of socialism

[–]bad_command_or_file 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry venezuelans, no limelight for you. Gazan protestors are more important.

[–]LLv2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it isn't Israel the media can't be bothered.

[–]WantingToDiscuss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not a single word from Jeremy Corbyn on this topic i see, smh :/.

[–]DimoneFreehold20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

B-b-but that wasn’t real Socialism!

[–]MustLoveMudkips 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any condemnations from the security council? No? Didn't think so.

[–]conenipple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How long as this been going on for

[–]Dryhtscipe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The UN was being antisemitic when it did this with regards the genocide in Palestine, though

[–]sovietskaya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they have oil, too. but no UN force of change? maybe that is just for middle eastern countries? perhaps when they used Assad killing protesters as pretext, it is actually just an excuse.

[–]Brewciferthedude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Socialism at its finest.

[–]Wardenop451 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ironic how hard they push this after us says they allow this kind of behavior. makes u wonder if trump is right there’s been a shitload of articles on it the past 2 days

[–]imissyouseattle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, two different organizations.

[–]PingTiao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe the US could save the Venezuelan people with airstrikes to assist a coup overthrowing the government and installing a humane capitalist democracy, because that works so well...