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125 points · 8 hours ago · edited 7 hours ago

Le problème c'est qu'il n'est ni très drôle parce qu'il n'est pas humoriste ni très intéressant parce qu'il n'est pas ethnologue. C'est ce qui me dérange avec toutes ces émissions d'"infotainment", au final on écoute religieusement des gens qui ont à peu près la même valeur ajoutée sur le sujet que Dédé du bar PMU du coin. C'est dans la lignée de la tendance de demander à n'importe quelle star son avis sur n'importe quel sujet. En plus de ça c'est facile à regarder, les américains adorent et se sentent intelligents (et en France vu les audiences de certains programmes c'est pas beaucoup plus glorieux). On peut pas lui en vouloir de pas connaître l'approche différente des Français par rapport à la question mais on peut se demander pourquoi on lui demande de s'exprimer sur le sujet devant une audience.

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Original Poster42 points · 8 hours ago

mais on peut se demander pourquoi on lui demande de s'exprimer sur le sujet devant une audience.

Une audience qui va l'aduler quoi qu'il dise.

Je suis plutôt d'accord de façon générale avec ce qu'il a dit. Sur le fait qu'on peut-être à la fois Français et Africain. C'est meme une évidence et il veut nous faire dire ce qu'on n'a pas dit. Mais bizarrement il oublie de parler du dessin qu'il a retweeté. C'était pas vraiment le meme message ici que "why can't it be both?".

Ensuite moi ce qui me gène c'est qu'il veuille faire dire aux joueurs ce qu'ils ne veulent peut-être pas dire. Je suis sur que beaucoup dans cette équipe se sentent aussi Africains. Mais c'est à eux de l'exprimer, car ils auront chacun plus ou moins cette identité chez eux et c'est pas la noirceur de leur peau qui devrait intrinsèquement les faire sentir Africains. Et j'illustrerais ça avec cette réaction de Nicolas Batum..

PS. : Détendez-vous pour l'accent français forcé, c'est juste un ressort comique, pas une insulte.

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Original Poster15 points · 8 hours ago · edited 8 hours ago

PS. : Détendez-vous pour l'accent français forcé, c'est juste un ressort comique, pas une insulte.

Je te jure que Jon Stewart n'aurait pas fait ça.

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No because France abused, raped, and pillaged their lands. A bit of a different circumstance to people who willingly became French (ie Portuguese migrants).

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So under that logic, you can tell any black person in the US that they're not American.

Such arrogance that you should be able to tell people what they are and what they aren't.

I don't know if you have any knowledge of history, but America didn't colonize western africa. You can thank the french empire for that one.

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Oh, there was no slavery in America? TIL.

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143 points · 11 hours ago

Et la réponse de Trevor Noah qui montre qu'il n' a absolument pas compris le problème. Bonus pour l'accent insultant.

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38 points · 11 hours ago · edited 11 hours ago

En effet, je ne pense pas que c'est une bonne idée de l'ambassadeur d'envoyer cette lettre, ou de croire que Trevor Noah allait prendre le sujet sérieusement. Bien sûr qu'il allait se moquer de l'ambassadeur, et de dire que les français sont tous des méchants à cause du passé. À l'ère Trump et de l'America First, Gerard Araud pensait franchement que Noah voulait débattre sérieusement ?

5 points · 1 day ago · edited 1 day ago

J'adore chacun de ces mecs. Je les ai vivement critiqué en tant que footballeurs de temps à autre, mais en tant qu'êtres humains, ils sont tous parfaits. Il y a rien à dire.

3 points · 1 day ago

who didn't born in France?

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Umtiti and Mandanda. But they both grew up in France, and are French citizens. So this is irrelevant, dumb talking points.

0 points · 1 day ago

I think its because one of his parents its from Germany I think it was his dad.

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He's also of Portuguese background on his mother's side.

The point is, most French people are of other backgrounds. Migration has always existed. You can be proud of your background, but also make the statement that we're French. The inside of the the French jersey had the motto "Our differences unite us", and in that spirit, Mendy's response is spot on. We are French and no one can take that away from us.

Original Poster49 points · 2 days ago

J'ai pas du tout vu le côté raciste au début, juste le mec à côté de la plaque. A la relecture c'est peut-être pas si clair.

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Macron connait le foot aussi.

To be fair, it was reported he played while ill (gastro). Otherwise he and KDB had a great tournament (these two games aside).

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Like /u/rinacio said, he literally had a shit game.

They tried a front 3 of Griemann, Dembele and Mbappe, and Dembele was horrible in it.

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It was decided from the start that Mbappe would be the only player with a free role in the tactical setup, and Dembele didn't show the best tactical discipline when he played. That's why he was eventually dropped for Matuidi to solidify the midfield.

0 points · 2 days ago

You're telling me Cean players have luxury cars?

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Yes, Ligue 1 players can afford luxury cars.

-23 points · 2 days ago

Not all football players make that much... Especially in the french league. Especially in the second division.

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Caen was in the first division when Kante bought a car.

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I'm a French person living in Western Canada, so I feel able to answer this.

Conceptually, it's similar to the difference between UK and North American English. The accent is the biggest difference. Those living in rural areas, or that speak joual, can be particularly difficult to understand.

Otherwise, the vocabular can differ, but not so much that it's not possible to converse. Some words even have different meanings. "Dépanneur", for example, refers to a convenience store in Quebec, while in France it refers to the repairman. "Gosse" means "kid" in France, while it is a slang for "testicle" in Quebec.

There are also some interesting differences in how the two peoples treat anglicism. In France, English words tend to be used as is ("weekend", "email"). In Quebec, they tend to be morphed to sound more French ("fucké").

You'll sound like a foreigner in Paris. There's no way around it - your accent will be a dead giveaway. But as long as you start your conversations with "bonjour/bonsoir", and be polite, you'll find that people as a whole will be very nice to you. People have no problem talking to people who may not be fluent.

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Are you lost?

52 points · 2 days ago

Le pire c'est le nombre de RT et de Likes du mec auquel il répond... Hallucinant.

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Attends voir le reste de ses tweets, comme cette petite merveille : https://twitter.com/KhaledBeydoun/status/1019026425469456384?s=19

Et un autre, tout aussi détestable : https://twitter.com/KhaledBeydoun/status/1019073531882233861?s=19

Ce mec utilise exactement les mêmes arguments de l'extrême droite; formenter la haine, faire un clivage entre tout les français. Il déteste ce que nous sommes.

really? do you desperately want to see anything sex-related involving trump?

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My recollection of the account is that the prostitutes were just peeing on a bed because it was believed the Obamas slept on it. While I'm sure the night didn't stop there, there's no indication if anything else was filmed.

118 points · 3 days ago

Why does France have such low approval ratings for presidents? It’s weird cuz in the US, 40% is low. Is it just because of the two party system here and they have more parties to diffuse approval?

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Two-party system vs multi-party system

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Because the US is a two-party system. France has like 6 or 7 parties.

Name me one player who wasn't able to play at a level he deserved because he's American.

You are missing the point and this is a completely different argument.

he thinks American players should be given more due simply because of their nationality.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. Its about inherent bias based on nationality. To pretend there are inherent biases in soccer based on nationality is ignorant especially claiming to know more about the dynamics of a pro soccer environment than someone who actually experienced it. Jay Demerit is another player that has spoken about overcoming negative bias in Europe for American players. Its not only Americans, other countries face similar bias. If a player is good enough they still earn respect and contracts ect, but negative stereotypes exist.

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Name me one player who wasn't able to play at a level he deserved because he's American.

You are missing the point and this is a completely different argument.

Lacking respect to American players means not discounting a player's ability because of his nationality. If that were true, it means that American players are unable to reach the level they should be playing at given their abilities.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. Its about inherent bias based on nationality. To pretend there are inherent biases in soccer based on nationality is ignorant especially claiming to know more about the dynamics of a pro soccer environment than someone who actually experienced it. Jay Demerit is another player that has spoken about overcoming negative bias in Europe for American players. Its not only Americans, other countries face similar bias. If a player is good enough they still earn respect and contracts ect, but negative stereotypes exist.

Demerit played up to the level he deserved, IMO. The reason why he took a while to get there is because he took an atypical path. The same could be said for a player like Kanté.

What surprised me about this is it isn't some carefully leaked quote from an unnamed source she just straight up called Trump out as an out of touch idiot on national television.

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Makes you wonder what other shit he has said, if that's tame enough for her to bring up.

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