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Drug addiction is partially a mental health issue, racism is in absolutely no way a mental health issue. So I can't really agree with that comparison. Also of course, way more people will defend racism than drug addiction.

Anyway I still upvoted you. You're wrong, but you were polite about it.

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3 points · 3 hours ago · edited 3 hours ago

I appreciate the civility. I'll admit my opinion is against the mainstream and admittedly not well developed beyond an initial gut feeling, so it's possible I'm wrong, but at least part of it comes from observing very racist family members and trying to figure out how they got that way. Being an asshole and/or ignorant is absolutely part of it, but on some level I think being an asshole might be a mental problem as well, if not an actual disorder.

Then again, maybe that's just the Star Trek fan in me.

I 100% feel you there. I'm the first person in my family to go past high school, I've heard some real shit from my folks as well.

Roddenberry had a vision of what humanity could be, if we reached our best potential. No doubt.

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1 point · 1 hour ago

Asimov did too. I miss when sci-fi was optimistic about the future.

social cohesion and safety issues.

Which boils down to plain and simple racism; you just proved my point. Immigrants can't be socially cohesive? Racist viewpoint. Immigrants cause safety issues? Racist viewpoint.

The only valid argument you might have is an economic one, and even that is dubious because if those immigrants come here and go to work paying taxes, exactly what are they draining?

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7 points · 5 hours ago

Somehow I knew you'd see it that way.

When I say social cohesion, I think we can both agree that education and social integration is easier when a country shares a common language. There are countries that have dual languages like Canada where it can work, but America isn't really attempting to work around those hurdles in a meaningful or effective way. Children in public school who speak little to no English will be permanently behind most other children because they have an additional barrier to knowledge. That makes it harder for them to integrate into the culture and encourages staying in an in-group that is separate from other people.

From a safety issue, I'm not trying to imply that all immigrants are criminals waiting to happen. But when you let people cross your national border without vetting them, you have no way of knowing who's coming in. It's partly why people get so upset when an illegal immigrant with prior convictions commits a crime in America. It's not because of the "scary brown man," it's because a crime has been committed that could have been prevented if the person had been stopped at the border and turned away. In some cases there is also the issue of immigrants, legal or otherwise, who subscribe to cultural aspects that are incompatible with American values, such as treating women poorly (FMG being an example).

From an economic standpoint, there is a lot of contention on whether or not they are a net positive or negative in the larger picture of things, and I'm not well versed enough in economics to pretend to know. However, I am worried that the inevitability of automation taking away many unskilled labor positions will cause large amounts of unemployment, which will only be made worse if we have a large class of un/under-educated people in the country illegally.

America isn't really attempting to work around those hurdles in a meaningful or effective way.

Well that sounds like a problem that could be fixed. Amazingly enough, people somehow managed to integrate hundreds of years ago when they came from European countries that all spoke different languages.

But when you let people cross your national border without vetting them, you have no way of knowing who's coming in.

I could make a similar and very convincing argument about allowing American citizens to have children without properly vetting them first. But I bet somehow people would find that distasteful. And the irony of you mentioning not treating women poorly as an American value is really odd considering 40% of the people in this country elected president "grab them by the pussy" into office.

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2 points · 4 hours ago

Historically, the integration of even other flavors of white people was incredibly difficult and led to things like "Irish need not apply." It's part of the reason why some parts of the country have strong cultural influences to this day like the Pennsylvania Dutch or Cajun French. Those aspects of the culture survive to this day, and it took a long time for it to integrate into the culture. It wasn't a quick or easy thing. Now, I'm not saying integration isn't possible, but it's significantly easier when you regulate the amount and quality of people that immigrate into your country. (Please don't take issue with my use of the word "quality," I mean those who are educated and/or have clean criminal backgrounds.)

Funny enough, I agree with you, but there's no legal or ethical way to enforce people to not have children if they're unfit to be parents. We can't control that, but we can control who enters our country from the outside.

I would argue there is a difference of degrees between being a misogynist and literally mutilating a young girl's vagina so her future husband will experience greater sexual pleasure. Let's not pretend like almost every culture in history hasn't had issues with misogyny in the past, but I feel like compared to the rest of the world America has come a long way. There are still places in the world where people abort female fetuses simply because they are girls.

I'm just a guy on the internet. You might be right lol. I don't know a lot about presidential history. But Trump sure knows how to build a brand. The hats are more recognizable than any presidential slogan in history. They'll be crazy valuable in 50 years. (I'm secretly hoping because I own one)

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If nothing else, they're the first Presidents to really try capitalizing on the internet. That's gotta be historical; we'll have their tweets saved for posterity.

I pull up Trump's tweet about Barney Frank if I ever want to have a good laugh. A sitting president tweeted about a representative's nipples. Millions saw it.

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What a time to be alive. That's right up there with Reagan being in a film with a chimp.

0 points · 1 day ago

I was wondering where this comment ended up. You’re right. It’s not meant for you. But I do find your pragmatism toublesome.

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0 points · 1 day ago

Pragmatism sometimes does to people who aren't pragmatic.

No, Mr Arrogant, I was pointing out that your pragmatism is a juvenile world view. The “scary” part that I was referencing is your reliance on relativism to justify your outlook.

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I never assigned a value judgement to pragmatism, just stated it usually only makes sense to those who subscribe to it.

I want that, yeah. But that's not gonna do shit for the 42% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck. Granted, they're barely human, so fuck em.

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23 points · 19 hours ago

"A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure."

0 points · 1 day ago

Well you're acting like your on trial. All he did was ask you a question and you took it personal.

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1 point · 1 day ago

It's just bad form, man. It's rude.

0 points · 1 day ago

Are you doing anything wrong?

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1 point · 1 day ago

Ah, the old "innocent have nothing to fear" line.

6 points · 1 day ago

and a whole lot of personal data collected.

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7 points · 1 day ago

We don't like to talk about that part

4 points · 1 day ago

Don't tell that to all the old people writing fucking checks I still get stuck behind

True, but I find it to be the most contemporarily accurate. Every time someone says, “It’s 1984! Orwell was right!” I’m like, “No. Huxley was right.”

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Original Poster1 point · 1 day ago

I feel like you're forgetting the rigid, genetically enforced class system in BNW tho.

That’s a fair point. We do have a fairly rigid societally enforced socioeconomic class system though.

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Original Poster2 points · 1 day ago

I'd agree to that.

2 points · 2 days ago

You forget this song was written before you had to literally work until you die.

1 point · 2 days ago

Realized that a) I've changed a lot just in the small amount of time I've been alive and I could conceivably live 2-3x what I have already and B) I realized I can tell the parts of my brain that hate me to fuck off

Original Poster4 points · 2 days ago

I live in America and I don’t get free stuff. So that is dumb.

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5 points · 2 days ago

Depends on your definition of "free." Your taxes pay for the roads and everyone uses them "for free."

1 point · 2 days ago

Guys I think I found Yoshikage Kira

4 points · 3 days ago

Really? Do you really believe that losing your high profile job and having to get a normal, low profile job like everyone else is worse than jail?

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3 points · 3 days ago

I'm talking in general, thought that was obvious.

6 points · 3 days ago

I get that it's hyperbole. And I'm sure one could come up with corner cases where jail is better (jail in Norway vs. being hated by a lethal organized crime family) But in general, there is no way that the court of public opinion is worse than jail.

I'm sure Bill Cosby is super upset about his ruined legacy but he isn't all "no need to fight these criminal charges since the worst damage in the world has already been done to me.".

And yes, it sucks when people's careers are ruined because of false accusations. I sincerely don't want that to happen to anyone. But it's important to remember that this often happens to the victims of abuse and harassment. And no one knows about it to complain on reddit when powerful abusers ruin their victims' careers.

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2 points · 3 days ago

There is a big difference between being a famous actor/comedian and having accusations leveled against you and being a regular joe who gets accused of something and having their life ruined locally.

Hard to top the thrashing that Sony gave Microsoft back in like 2012 or 2013. When they had a hard counter to literally everything Microsoft came up with.

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Original Poster3 points · 3 days ago

That "How to share a ps4 game" was fucking brutal

So, what are atheists? 🤔

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Original Poster1 point · 3 days ago

Linux

35 points · 3 days ago

Ahh, good old bureaucracy

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647 points · 3 days ago

That moment when you realize "protect and serve" is just a PR motto instead of a mission statement

I was across the street having a beer when I looked up on the TV and saw helicopter footage above the bar I was at, recording this whole thing. I looked outside and everything was closed off and chaotic. So sickening.

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1 point · 3 days ago

What's the original?

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