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22 points · 7 hours ago

What a terrifying mindspace you're in.

"What if it was decided..." sounds really great, until what's decided is that your own personal views shouldn't be tolerated. What you've described is the death of freedom and truth.

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the process of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."

  • Justice Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)
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There is nothing to be gained from debating Holocaust deniers. The best outcome is to change someone's mind, which will rarely ever happen with these people, and which would lead to the same result: Suppressing it. What you do gain from banning it is you prevent more people from becoming Holocaust conspiracy theorists in the first place.

It's amazing how Noah constantly criticises racism on the show (rightly so) but then tries to defend that vile statement.

Also, it seems a lot of American have a warped view of nationality. "You can go to a St. Patrick's day parade and celebrate that you're Irish". The vast majority of Irish people consider say a black person who grew up in Ireland a shit ton more Irish than an American whose great-grand father lived in Ireland and who likely knows little else about Ireland than the usual stereotypes ("I'm Irish so I can drink much!"). Which leads to hilarious moments like this:

Your kilt is on backwards and you're missing a sporran. So basically you're just some ginger in a skirt.

C9 hadn't played any games at Worlds yet, though. It's kind of suspicious.

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Hai had been spamming Kennen in solo queue prior to Worlds...

I heard C9 was scrimming Gambit a lot, and Gambit leaked Hai's champion pool (which was really small) to Fnatic. They then proceeded to ban out Hai's champions every game.

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"You heard" = literally the only "source" is Meteos' salty Interview when they were sent back. That is literally the only "source" for this bs excuse and he didn't provide any proof of it at all.

0 points · 1 day ago

For every EU team that got to they should have taken the opertunity to scrim against every top NA team they could. They need to test their ideas against anyone they think can challenge them and since the result of rift rivals has no implicatuons for world's that includes TL, 100, AND FOX.

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21 points · 1 day ago

How should they scrim NA teams if they don't want to? Lol...

83 points · 1 day ago

To what possible end? Would he then allow Russia to arrest American citizens? Imprison them in Russia? Confusing

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-15 points · 1 day ago

I mean, Russia has every right to arrest or imprison American citizens in Russia. If you travel to other countries you are in their jurisdiction.

And don't forget how much of an understatement "helped" is. Hollywood & co. has really warped the image that people have of WWII it seems. Here is a French survey throughout the time - the rough translation for that question is "Other than your own country, which country contributed the most towards Germany's defeat in WWII?. Contrast this to how many people were lost fighting against the Axis.

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425 points · 1 day ago

Hollywood is pretty much the most effective propaganda tool in the world. The US has long realised that.

When we first looked at the relationship between politics, film and television at the turn of the 21st century, we accepted the consensus opinion that a small office at the Pentagon had, on request, assisted the production of around 200 movies throughout the history of modern media, with minimal input on the scripts.

How ignorant we were. More appropriately, how misled we had been. We have recently acquired 4,000 new pages of documents from the Pentagon and CIA through the Freedom of Information Act. For us, these documents were the final nail in the coffin.

These documents for the first time demonstrate that the US government has worked behind the scenes on over 800 major movies and more than 1,000 TV titles.


When a writer or producer approaches the Pentagon and asks for access to military assets to help make their film, they have to submit their script to the entertainment liaison offices for vetting. Ultimately, the man with the final say is Phil Strub, the Department of Defense’s (DOD) chief Hollywood liaison.

If there are characters, action or dialogue that the DOD don’t approve of then the film-maker has to make changes to accommodate the military’s demands. If they refuse then the Pentagon packs up its toys and goes home. To obtain full cooperation the producers have to sign contracts — Production Assistance Agreements — which lock them into using a military-approved version of the script.

Or media reflects it like that. If You are actually interested in why Elon and his team acted as they did: ‪‬

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15 points · 1 day ago

Lol, that's one of the most biased "summaries" I've ever read. Hope those boots taste good at least.

How does Putin not speak English? I mean, maybe he does and an interpreter makes a nice tool to control the discussions, but I'd have thought he learned it years ago before even becoming president.

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Trump doesn't exactly speak advanced English, but do you seriously not see why a head of state would have an interpreter present when he can't speak in his native language? If I was a head of state, I'd do that too despite considering myself fluent in English.

Putin needs his spies there

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Pretty sure it's recorded anyways, wouldn't surprise me if Trump was (unknowingly) bugged as well by US intelligence. It's just normal to have interpreters when two heads of state meet and speak a different native language.

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Hi Roseanne! Didn't know you were on Reddit

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This sounds more like Musk, who actually publicly advocated on taking Ambien and Alcohol (something that you should absolutely not mix according to doctors and the instructions that come with Ambien) on Twitter.

Musk even managed to top Roseanne, not only did he perpetuate a racist stereotype, he also managed to insult an entire nation as well as one of the heroic divers in the process.

His language drives me crazy. What the fuck does that mean, “they’ve seen that strongly”. You don’t see something strongly. Perhaps they’ve “seen strong evidence of this” but to see strongly simply is not valid english. He speaks like he has no grasp of the language, just throwing together whatever the fuck words he wants

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They have strong eyes, very strong eyes, believe me.

18 points · 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

Reposted from last week:

So, I just rented a model 3 through Turo last week, and I took it up into the canyons near Malibu. AMA.

I knew the drivetrain would be really solid, but I was interested in the chassis and the driving dynamics. I'm a pretty decent driver; I've done a few track days and autocross, though I'm more experienced with OG FWD Hondas. I have a RWD 911 and an Quattro Audi as well, so anyway, point is I have some experience. I was NOT a track though, so here is my impressions of performance driving in a road setting:

Overall.... I was really, really impressed. I went down Piamu canyon road, Stunt Road, Malibu Canyon, up and down the mountains for hours. It was very stable, the response was good for being a stock car, fairly crisp turn in, not a lot of feel in the rack (duh) but it had a nice weight to it. Actually, yeah, about that, you can adjust the steering effort in the menu. I set it to firm/performance.

I realize tthis video is all about GRIIIIPPPPPP, which makes sense for track purposes, but what I was really interested in was the actual handling when it gets a bit loose. It's 3800lbs, which is sort of heavy, ~300lbs more than an M3, but it's also really low, and not concentrated in the front or the back fo the car, it's all spread out. It rides on 235s so it has plenty of grip for road/performance driving, and since I was in the canyons I wasn't purposely trying to drive it at 10/10ths, just more 'haul ass safely' since a mistake up there would be death. The ride quality was also great, compliant, reminded me of a BMW 3 series only a bit more stiff than some of their newer/softer models. Maybe like a 335? Wasn't M3 stiff but wasn't base model soft either. Liked it a lot.

I did accidentally find the limit a few times though, and that is where the weight makes itself known. On a fairly sharp hairpin, there was a soft 'dip' in the road that unsettled the car and caused it to get really light, and man... code brown for sure. The mass wanted to just go straight off the edge of the cliff, buttttttt.... know what? Counter steer a bit and stay on the throttle so you don't get lift off oversteer, and the car rotated just fine.

Idk. I was pretty blown away, to be honest. The tech, the styling, the fairly ridiculous performance without advertising performance, the ability TO GO REALLY FAST without anybody even really noticing is a huge huge benefit that nobody talks about. If you have a 'fast' ICE car, generally the exhaust note pisses off the neighbors/other motorists when you're blasting around. That's all gone with this car. The interior took some getting used to, but after a day with it, it really did make every other new car seem very antiquated.

Anyway. Highly recommend. It's an awesome car. I still want my 911 for weekends, and I still want my S6 for ski trips, and I still want my shitbox honda hatchback just for funsies, but man... for a daily?

It's freaking killlllleerrrrrrrrrr.

Edit edit: Also, one last thing, anyone who complains about the interior is an idiot. Is it Benz good? Nah. Is it better than basically all of the JDM supercars from the 90s and 00s that most of us worship? Yup. Is it better than 90s BMW/benzes, and audis? Also yup. Interior is great, people just love to complain about Tesla because it makes themselves feel better about their own failures in life.

Edit Edit Edit: The Screen Hate. Okay. Look guys, I'm an industrial designer with an emphasis on usability/hmi/ergonomics. That was actually one of the drivers for renting this car in the first place; it's a huge paradigm shift from the status quo, and I wanted to experience it and make some judgements on it after using it. INITIALLY, when I first saw the interior, I thought it was stupid/horrible/dumb/poor HMI because you can't index your hands on a flat screen, you have to take your eyes off the road to look at menus, etc. Yes, all those things are true.

HOWEVER.... Autopilot, bruhs. With two clicks of your hand, the car is literally driving itself allowing you to interact with the screen for a bit. Also, the screen is gigantic, so even if you don't use autopilot, it's simply glance down, click the button, and go back to driving. The HVAC is climate controlled, so once you set it, you aren't really adjusting it and the car is doing all the adjusting for you. The stereo can be controlled from the screen, but the steering wheel has two multi function scroll wheels that allow you to adjust volume, switch tracks, etc.

I get it. It's a huge change, and change is scary, but after using it for a day I had no issues with it. I know the common viewpoint is that people want an ancillary screen above the wheel with speed, turn signals, etc, and I can understand that, but it is NOT necessary. Should it be an option? Yeah, maybe. But this is the cheapest car they have ever made. What blew me away, from a product designer perspective, is how much cost savings there is here.

Each button in a normal car needs to be tooled, injection molded, pad printed, with another injection molded light pipe, custom PCB, custom membrane, and custom injection molded housing for that component, over and over for every single button. It's ridiculous, after driving the 3.

If you currently hate the screen, I get it, I understand your perspective, because that was my intial reaction, but I implore you to realize that your opinion WITHOUT TRYING IT. Go rent one for a day, try it, use it, and I think you'll be surprised at how great it is.

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That is probably one of the most biased "reviews" I have ever seen. Especially the fact that you attack people for having a different taste and opinions than you makes it seem like you're not here to inform anyone, you're trying to incentivise a purchase. I mean, minus the personal attacks, this is something I would expect someone from a dealership to say if they were dead-set on trying to convince me to buy something.

It was definitely biased, I was sharing MY OPINION.

If someone says they have a different opinion than me, but they haven't actually rented/driven the car, I'm sorry... that opinion is just a guess. It has no weight, no experience behind it.

And in most cases, I respond because UNTIL I RENTED THE CAR, I had the exact same opinion. I thought the screen was stupid and I wanted tactile buttons so I could index my fingers without looking.

What personal attacks?

Buy whatever you want. I was just super stoked about renting one, and was totally blown away by how great it was. Sorry my excitement is coming across as a sales pitch, it isn't, but it is definitely a pitch to rent one and judge for yourself.

But your opinion that screens suck without renting one? Yeah, sorry, your opinion is worth less than mine. I have the experience and HMI/Ergo/Human factors is literally my career.

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0 points · 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago
  • By that logic, you're not allowed to criticise this interior because you've never driven the car. If people don't like minimalistic interiors without instruments and without buttons, that's a completely valid opinion to have.

  • I'm talking about these personal attacks obviously? "Interior is great, people just love to complain about Tesla because it makes themselves feel better about their own failures in life." You're claiming that people who complain about the interior need something to make themselves feel better in life. I mean, what the fuck? That's like saying the only people who like the interior is because they are mentally stuck at being a man-child that can't deal with a few buttons. Or would you consider that a totally fine position to hold, too?

  • My opinion is actually not worth less than yours because I don't need to work in the field nor do I have to drive one to know that I prefer buttons for commonly used functions. I don't have to be a cook to be able to know whether I'm going to like a dish with certain ingredients or not.

The reason why I've grown sceptical of these sorts of posts is because I've formerly owned a Model S after what I consider now to have been fooled by these sorts of "reviews" that say "Oh you'll get used to it, it's the best car ever!!". I've learned that some websites are making a lot of money by promiting Tesla "independently" and I would not doubt that this happens on social media as well (not accusing you personally). Anyways, I'll go to bed now, so have a nice day (or night, depending on where you live).

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231 points · 3 days ago

Regardless of the cause of this particular drop in the value of Tesla stock, if I were a Tesla investor I'd be very nervous when Musk posts on Twitter. He has very little self-control and gets into juvenile name calling matches with random people.

A large part of the value of his companies is tied up with his name, not their actual profitability. Tesla still hasn't made a profit yet. His name is a valuable asset but it will become badly tarnished if he goes around calling people imbeciles and pedophiles just because he's angry.

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"Mr. Musk posted the changes on Tesla’s Web site. He said the company was in a “critical phase” and would have a positive cash flow within nine months." (Source, Oct. 2008)

It's incredible how there are investors left that still believe this guy.


Just imagine how good EU teams would have been if they could have actually played the game on the weekends or in the evenings. A big reason why they only reached top 4 in these tournaments is probably because they were so excited that they could finally play a whole game of LoL.

I want to thank all the temporarily embarrassed trillionaires in NA for showing us the light on this one, it truly is a shame that Riot is rigging the sytem against you.

0 points · 3 days ago

I use Asics, but I assume running shoes last more or less the same. From my experience, they last around 800-1000km. I once stretched a pair of Nike (the only time I used Nike) to 1200km because I was about to run my first marathon and I didn't want to use new shoes. I ended up losing two toenails in the race. :|

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How did you lose toenails because of worn shoes? Just asking because that's never happened to me.

49 points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Look at shiphtur's match history, there are a bunch of games where he played with 3~4 diamond players. Check the match history of players around the same LP on EUW, they rarely have games with more than one diamond players.

There are also a lot of one tricks at high elo on NA(not sure about EU). Like there was at least one OTP in almost everyone of shiphtur's last 9 games, KhaliDino(bard), twtvlolharambe(wukong), 10 IQ PLAYER(draven), foggedftw2(tryn), Sunset(eve), yassuo(yasuo), Byrce walker(rengar/riven), ChaseShaco(shaco), Twtv DirtyMobs(illaoi), Donmat(tf), Caristinn(kass), megasmurf(diana)...

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That has nothing to do with player size, NA has as many Challenger players as EU. It just means the people in NA play less.

5 points · 3 days ago

The question is not whether or not he's doing fine, because of course he is, he's in LCS. The point is that they could develop much better back when ping was ~20 ish for most West Coast players, which is objectively true.

Like the poster above you said, ping is one reason, but we're not saying it's the ONLY reason.

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But NA pros still ducked ass compared to other regions even when the servers were on the West Coast and EU literally couldn't play on the weekends.

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-11 points · 3 days ago

So what’s the issue? If this is breaking a record, does the company itself reporting it take away the fact that it happened? Is it people are thinking the company will lie about it?

I think the most important part about this shit is training people to understand and detect bias rather than just preventing the sources. Bc we can’t always filter everything. People need to be critical thinkers and take into account a sources bias when it’s being reported. It’s about maintaining reasonable skepticism. That’s not wrong to do as long as you are able to conclude what is true once enough facts have been established.

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18 points · 3 days ago

The issue is posting corporate propaganda under an independent front.

Everyone reads more headlines than articles, that's simply a given when you're reading news. Yet, everyone who read the headline but not the article would in this case believe Tesla set a hypermiling world record, when in fact it's not one and not even a hypermiling record for electric cars.

-5 points · 3 days ago

Your "source" is a motortrend article based on zero evidence and only the people saying they accomplished it?

How would a vehicle even begin to DOUBLE their rated highway mpg? I understand getting maybe 1.3x the value out of it but doubling??? From 40mpg to 80mpg? With 2 passengers and a ton of luggage? What?!? Were these guys going downhill the entire time???

Everything here screams made up

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Why are you lying? Right from the article:

Police officers from both states verified the fueling, mileage, and sealing of the fuel door.

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They failed because they didn't do what he told them to, i.e. sue the electorate

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I always wondered why South Korea doesn't just sue North Korea.

Sanctions don’t work if you give out exemption

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18 points · 4 days ago

Sanctions also don't work if nobody else follows them and your country already trades almost nothing with the country you're sanctioning.

The requests were pretty much just to see if the US is deserving of any sort of goodwill or not at this point. EU countries are already working to circumvent the sanctions, the EU and the rest of the world won't let the US dictate who they can or cannot do business with.

Meh, cozy is not enough. We need to see some actions that prove they actually mean it.

I wonder if all the foreign rescuers got the same consideration?

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46 points · 4 days ago

They better give it to Musk too, can't risk him getting his fee-fees hurt and go on a rant about how the whole Thai government are paedophiles.

No, that’s not true. He doesn’t outdonate to Republicans 2:1. It was something like $290,000 vs $260,000.

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17 points · 4 days ago

Not true.

Since 2003:

$171,750 to Democrats

$334,600 to Republicans (including the $38,900 donation that is currently processing by the FCC, from 06/05/2018).

And a large part of his donations to Democrats is to right-wingers like Bill Nelson in an effort to shift the party further right.

2.0k points · 4 days ago

Musk definitely invests in PR on Reddit. No fucking way he doesn't

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801 points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

Musk is very concerned about bad PR and this sort of thing being revealed or publicised. I would be very surprised if he didn't already have employees trying to downplay the bad PR here. He has the means and enough money to be really good at it too. As an example, take a look at this picture and read this article.

It is insane how astroturfed this website is by Musk and his corporations.

Edit: And on this topic, I'd like to add 2 highly upvoted comments from the /r/worldnews post that got removed for no reason. From /u/LeDankRedditUserxD:

If anyone else was insulting the rescue chief and now also one of the divers as a "pedo", people would go crazy. But because it is Elon Musk, surely he must know better than all the experts. And this isn't the first time this has happened. Musk called Jarrett Walker (who is a quite renowned transit expert with decades of experience) a "sanctimonious idiot", and Musk's sycophant cult following immediately started attacking Walker as well. Some people are just beyond help.

The only person who I've seen have a similar cult following is Trump, but at least those people are mostly contained to t_D and similar subs. Musk's cult following has infested a lot of default subs, especially /r/futurology and /r/technology, but also subs like /r/news or /r/worldnews. At least you can still call out Musk here without immediately getting downvoted to hell – try doing it in a place /r/futurology – but even here there is a frightening amount of comments attacking the divers who saved those kids because they dared criticise their dear leader.

And /u/MakerMuperMaster (this was the comment I got the picture from):

At this point I doubt the Musk worshipping is organic. Tesla alone spends over $60 million per year on ads and marketing, but have you ever actually seen a Tesla ad? Nope. They know their audience, and making social media manipulation look like it's just organic praise is a shit ton more effective than spending that money on TV ads. It's especially suspicious when posts like these hit the front page:

Not to mention that there are certain subreddits and websites that seemingly do little else other than promoting Tesla or Musk.

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8.6k points · 4 days agoGilded2 · edited 4 days ago

We should make a compilation of Musk being an utter asshole so that this mindless worshipping finally stops.

I'll start, anyone can add examples:


I'm not sure how to pack this into a picture, but he's also one of the largest donors for a House Republican PAC

And those aren't even moderates. Kevin McCarthy for example is a climate change denier:

Musk also donates to Democrats (he donates far more to Republicans though), but his donations to Democrats are to a large part to right-wing democrats (Diane Feinstein and Bill Nelson among them) to assist in driving the party to the right. Bill Nelson is the same guy who described single-payer as being "too good of a deal for the American people".


Add this. This is from his first wife:


Let me add another one:

I attended a dinner discussion a few years ago in Atherton featuring Larry Page and Elon Musk. A small group of Silicon Valley technology leaders attended. I felt out of my depth, but forced myself to ask a question that might elicit patronizing glances. It did.

What would it take to get visionaries like them deeply engaged in the real problems of humanity — poverty, mass incarceration, violence against women — that, because of market failures, don’t offer much money to their solvers?

I was expecting them to discuss market-based solutions, prizes like those the X Prize Foundation and Innocentive are putting up. Prize models have worked well to divert private capital to public solutions, like vaccines.

Instead, Elon looked at me with a grin and said, “I’m not sure poverty is such a problem. I grew up in South Africa and now live near Beverly Hills. The housewives in my neighborhood are certainly more miserable than the kids I saw playing in the townships growing up. It’s relative.”

I was so shaken by the absurdity and apocryphal nature of his comments that I didn’t respond for a few minutes. To his credit, Larry did, laughing and pointing out how wrong his friend was. Study after study has demonstrated, through methods like cortisol testing and massive surveys, that suffering from poverty is only relative above a certain baseline — below this baseline, poverty absolutely causes human suffering. Denying this basic fact is denying the human worth of several billion people on our planet.



Hey dude, you should include when Musk stole some guy's art for one of his products and then said "it would be lame if you sued" seeing as he was apparently giving the artist more exposure. He's psychotic

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426 points · 4 days ago

Add this. This is from his first wife:

He wants a weakening or break up of NATO.

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185 points · 4 days ago

And Europeans do not want to be subservient lapdogs of the US. You call us a foe, you get the appropriate response. If the US electorate cannot be bothered to not elect an idiot like Trump, then we should rightfully not place any trust in them.

13 points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

Europe is a subservient lapdog of the US? Since when? No, breaking up NATO and US/Europe alliance simply because of the words of Trump is not rational.

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Europe will be a subservient lapdog if we let another country label us a "foe", all while at the same time allowing that country to place their military here. Since when should countries be expected to tolerate a military presence of their foes on their own soil? The only time this happens is under an actual occupation. Which leads back to the point that we cannot let a country label us a foe and continue to tolerate their military presence.

No breaking up NATO and US, Europe alliance simply because of the words of Trump is not rational.

Europe isn't doing it, Trump is. We have to look out for ourselves and the obviously fucked and unstable political system in the US (which didn't start with Trump) makes it not tolerable to have their military here in my opinion.

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