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About half of those have physical inherent value. This is the worst argument you can make for bitcoin.

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2 points · 2 days ago

All economic value is subjective.

I hope you’re right. I just think it’s funny that most seem to only see bitcoin as a get rich quick thing instead of as a revolutionary financial tool and fiat replacement.

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1 point · 5 days ago

Therein lies the problem...

317 points · 6 days ago

Born too late to explore the world.

Go outside.

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2 points · 5 days ago

Right on. The final frontier.,..

Serious question: Can you get the source where they said that?

Everyone says they promise top ten exchanges, but I only can find a statement where they say that they had submitted their proposal to top 10 exchanges. I think that isn't a promise.

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1 point · 11 days ago

I would say its funny that some are now trying to walk back & deny that promise was made; except not funny at all to anyone who invested in the project believing they could deliver.

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1 point · 11 days ago

Any indication when exchanges will credit users with Anon for those holding through Fork? And will Anon be listed on Cryptopia immediately after Fork?

Do you expect the day a coin is born to be listed on Binance or similar?

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2 points · 13 days ago

Yes. The majority of the Community did expect that b/c that was what was promised MANY times in the past by Anon....that it would be listed by multiple top ten exchanges long before the fork.

Are you sure about that? No top 10 exchanges have Zclassic so how would any top 10 exchange support ZCL/ANON fork? Pretty sure this was miscommunicated to many people. "anon top 10 exchange" maybe that is going to happen eventually postfork, but that is currently impossible

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7 points · 13 days ago

C'mon Bud. You are really going with the they never said that argument? That was one of the main selling points of the fork to folks. They clearly promised Top 10 Exchange support and that it would be long before the fork. That is well documented just look through some past posts here/Twitter/etc. Everyone knows that and is why people are angry. Of course ZCl is not listed at a top 10, but they originally had explained would be attempting to get that accomplished as part of listing campaign for Anon also. These were the standards they set for themselves that folks are holding them to....the worst part being the lack of transperancy/responsibility that has gone along with all of it; rather than just owning up to it; that will haunt the project more than anything.

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2 points · 15 days ago

I'll dump all 600+ of mine if it does, but it ain't gonna happen. The 2 for 1 screwed us over for a decent pre-fork pump. Still lots to be made though, so miners can't really complain. The people who bought in over $10 before the 2 for 1 announcement got royally shafted. They have major, deserved beef with the ANON team's changing of the social contract.

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1 point · 15 days ago

100% correct. As do the early supporters who bought in for the low entry Masternode before it was changed from 100 to 500 as part of the same announcement. Neither credibility or price have recovered since.

2 points · 17 days ago

Only time will tell but wish you the best on your trade and on a ballsy move. I doubled my bag up about a week ago under .001 also based on the same theory. It has bounced each time from this level. Gotta think that if a pump is coming it must be imminent...even if it doesn't 3 coins for the price of 1 and the opportunity to stake them presents quite an opportunity.

There was recent movement on a dormant BTC wallet from 2014 with 111,000 BTC (Equivalent of around one billion USD.)

100 million went into binance within the last week from this wallet. Some have speculated that an old Silk Road wallet is “Washing” the money through binance with Monero, that’s why the price movement, not some shit article from a shit publication.

BTC shorts are stacking up, Tether just printed 100m, and this BTC whale is setting up a billion dollar wallet that hasn’t accessed in 4 years. Some shit is about to go down, I just hope it moves everything in the direction we want it to go. Up.

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1 point · 18 days ago

Correct analysis as many are speculating the whale might be inclined to invest heavily in XMR. That along with that pump article have moved the price of it up 30 some percent this week ATM.

2 points · 18 days ago

First, I commend you on an excellent job putting out 12 of these Newsletters to update the Community on a weekly basis. They were informative, well written, and I think were beneficial for readers at all levels of involvement and support of the project.

Furthermore, I appreciate you taking the Exchange Support Issue head on here. This is clearly one of the most relevant matters to the Community ATM and I believe rightfully so. There has not been very much said about it lately. Not only was it set as a priority by Jake himself from the beginning and reaffirmed throughout; but I believe myself that it is not only important in short term for speculative purposes but long term as can have the greatest product in any industry but if cannot bring it to market it is irrelevant. Many in the Community are currently seeking guidance regarding Exchange Support. I get that much of the information may be governed by NDAs where as the ability to comment on anything pertaining to the matter is totally restricted but I would encourage an announcement this week to make everything explicitly clear of whatever info can be released to the Community where Exchange Support stands. I suggest this is very important to the continued credibility and success of the project.

I am still hoping that we land a Top 10 this week; that would take things to a whole nother level; but should definitely make it clear to the Community either way. That said, TS & Cryptopia are both solid exchanges. I've regularly used both for a long time and like them better than several larger ones from a use & support standpoint. Do you know when we will actually be credited the Anon if our ZCl is held on one of those exchanges? Is the Masternode Setup Video available yet? Hadn't seen any of that yet...

Just check on mining into cryptopia wallets. Got a hunch it’s not always supported.

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1 point · 19 days ago

Yea good lookin out. I was under that impression as well.

1 point · 21 days ago

Well written/thought out post and agree 100%. Many are trying to draw a parallel to the last fork but only similarity is the ZCl/BTC origin chains to create a privacy coin... different time in a different market lead by different (experienced/committed) teams, with different objectives long term; just a few basic fundamental reasons this fork should equate to different result and therefore should also be aproached differently by investors.

0 points · 22 days ago

Unfortunate but feel resistance of many in the Zcl community to support the Fork has been like a large stone chained around the neck of this thing thus far and its time to break free. I know that many are bitter because of the last fork but this is an opportunity to make things right. It is in the best interest of everyone in the Zcl community to be supportive of the Fork; and best interest of crypto for those who believe in it to work together toward similar goals.

Bs. Anon is another cash grab. Sell before the fork or get rekt.....I learned that lesson with btcp....I was going to hold through the fork, and didn’t. I sold Zcl at the top...when people were calling btcp to get to $1000 🤣😂 those were some great money-making days.

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1 point · 22 days ago

What's bs here is someone flaunting about how they profited so greatly while many others got rekt during the last fork...should be a red flag to anyone reading your criticism/analysis of this Fork.

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4 points · 24 days ago

I am confident that these guys will deliver a major exchange; however even IF they didn't worst case is 3 COINS FOR THE PRICE OF 1 RIGHT NOW with the opportunity to stake them.

It doesnt matter if you get 999 coins for the price of one if you cant sell them and they are worth nothing !!

A top ten exchange will not com and the resulting currency will be pointless and remain unused.

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2 points · 23 days ago

Agree with your point in principle but not applicable here. ZCl has a bright future with great new team where will not be abondoned like prior fork and Anon will deliver both use case & a top exchange prior to fork. 100%. Therefore 3 for 1 anywhere close to this range presents a huge opportunity when look at both ZCl past performance & potential of Anon.

sell before the fork like I did with BTCP. Best move I ever made.

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3 points · 24 days ago

3 solid coins on sale for the price of 1 cheap one right now. Just the math, not to mention the overall situations couldn't be more different. That said, everyone needs to do their own DD.

2 points · 24 days ago

Truth to date and continued success to King BTC; should be noted though that Rhett has a great deal of shared responsibility in some of those failures; and also that the Anon Fork presents an opportunity to succeed where he failed.

For some reason my brain turns him into a muppet.

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2 points · 24 days ago

Haha I see it.


The stage has now been set for one of the best altcoin OPPORTUNITIES of 2018 as ZCl and Anon are tremendously undervalued.

The Bittrex Announcement yesterday changed absolutely nothing about the fundamentals of either project and only caused many with weak hands to panic sell on a strong project at a low price. The Announcement itself was greatly misunderstood in that it was NOT a rejection, merely a clarification that the exchange was currently not supporting the Fork. Basically everyone following the projects already knew that anyway! In the best case, support from Bittrex may still be possible in the coming weeks; as this Announcement did NOT give any specific wording or reasoning rejecting the Fork which is customary from them when ruling out support for a fork/airdrop/etc they usually do blatantly.

Even in the worst case, this should be seen as an overall positive that clarity was given to everyone regarding this topic with so much time before the Fork. So many times investors in other projects were hurt by being left in the dark until the "11th hour" guessing if an exchange would support. Not the case here. Support could still be forthcoming in the coming weeks but in the meantime anyone with coins on Bittrex now has plenty of time to move to the wallet/exchange of their choice before the Fork. Bittrex historically is not big on supporting forks/airdrops of any types anyway so this certainly shouldn't be seen as a negative refection on the coin or team.

The ZCl and Anon projects have a bright future and are not dependent on any single exchange. Excellent new ZCl team will make it stronger than ever post fork, Anon unprecedented 2-1 fork ratio, Masternodes, amazing communities & devs & advisors. Every deadline met to date with transperancy to a collaborative Community. Big announcements regarding exchange support & real world use case coming this Thursday August 30th.

This is still the Fork of the year. Many eyes in greater Crypto are on ZCl right now. I suggest that whatever your reasons for holding Zcl and believing in it in the past (long term believer, stuck b/c burned by previous forks, here for the pump, here for the Anon) you seize the present moment and embrace the future with ZCl and Anon. The time has actually never been better than the present.


Ya awesome post. I like that enthusiasm

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Original Poster3 points · 26 days ago

Thanks bro. Basically getting 3 coins for the price of one and opportunity to stake the Anon. Just looking at the math its hard not to be excited especially anywhere near these levels.

Thanks should i wait for bittrex confirmation or should i send my coins to cryptopia

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Original Poster2 points · 26 days ago

Not going to advise anyone else what to do with their money but more exchange announcements coming Thursday, so we should all have a more clear picture of our options then & plenty of time still to execute whatever strategy you think is best.

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3 points · 28 days ago

If you read the Bittrex Statement they did not refuse/deny support of the Fork. They merely made a statement clarifying where they currently stand with it. Nothing bad about that or even news worthy to anyone really following the project. I am guessing they have been inundated by questions regarding if they would support the Fork so felt compelled to make a statement. Pestering the exchanges will not get it listed and in fact might reflect negatively on the project; so everyone should just chill and let the team handle it. They are pros; have not & will not let us down.

Original Poster2 points · 28 days ago

I think it’s their standard response that they always use when not supporting forks. But as a standard response it covers all thinkable reasons for refusal, hence my original question. Which one was it do you think? When this is known it can be corrected... ;-)

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3 points · 28 days ago

Looking at their previous statements about supporting other forks they do often use the "At this time" preface; but I think more significantly when outright rejecting fork support they usually do specify the reason. No specific reason was given that would disqualify Anon. Actually according to their policy about fork support; Anon would seem to fit the criteria to be supported. People will speculate whether this means it is still on the table or not because it would be great to have Bittrex support being Zcls biggest market; but irregardless at least everyone knows where they currently stand long before the Fork. Again, everyone should just take this at face value and chill. The team (with all their experience & connections) is best qualified to handle this and all exchange listing matters. I for one am still confident they will deliver major exchange support prior to the Fork.

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It says “AT THIS TIME”. What part of that you don’t understand?

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3 points · 28 days ago

I think they understand but just want to spread fud

2 points · 28 days ago

Exact wording of release prefaced everything with "At this time" they were not supporting the Fork. Very different from a rejection; but irregardless at least this Fork is transperant and their current status is know well before the snapshot date.

3 points · 29 days ago

Seems that poll to this point is overwhelming pro Crypto for everyday purchases despite Reddit comments. SHOCKER! Very split between decentralization of processors though. Curious why such a clear distinction especially paired with the forner....OP is on point....would be great to hear elaboration from those who believe that just for GP...

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2 points · 29 days ago

Please dm me the contact info for your provider if possible. Been looking to upgrade to one of these bad boys at my place of business. Not available with current provider stuck with an ancient ATM atm.....

1 point · 1 month ago

I'm curious what the overall environmental footprint of the current banking system is....must be truly unfathomable; when consider all the paper statements, receipts, documentation beyond even just the energy consumption.

4 points · 1 month ago

Customer support far exceeds that compared to other exchanges that I have traded with.

1 point · 1 month ago

Approximately how much storage space would the team suggest is adequate for a Masternode to have available to store the blockchain?...also taking into consideration the growth of the chain in the future...

Original Poster1 point · 1 month ago

I will compile a detailed guide specific to ANON over the next week. As we are bootstrapping bith Btc and Zcl chains, we are saving on inherited bloat quite significantly.

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1 point · 1 month ago

You guys are on it! We really appreciate the high level of responsiveness.

Just a tip, same thing happened for BTCP. Expect the ZCL price to skyrocket as hype builds. Sell it before the fork. I’m still stuck with ZCL, but if this second Fork helps me recoup, I’ll be happy

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3 points · 1 month ago

You are correct that usually a big pump prior to forks followed by a big drop after; however Imo this is a case where maybe worth holding through. ZCl may have a consolidation after but nothing like what happened when abandoned after Btcp. A quality team will be working on it after the fork giving it a bright future. Plus, 2 Anon for each ZCl at the fork is an unbelievable incentive to hold for early supporters! I am a big Zcl/Anon supporter because of how they have conducted business and only observed the last fork; but am sincerely hoping that this fork helps set things right for those who were burned by the last one. Seems like a win win opportunity NOW for everyone in the ZCl related communities.

2 points · 1 month ago

They are supposed to continue announcing more wallets/exchanges over the next two weeks or so until September 5th if want to take a wait & see approach for now. Should still have plenty of time between then & fork to implement whatever suits your needs or strategy best.... definitely one of Anon Forks koolest aspects.

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