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17 points · 1 day ago

Except they do fit the meta, they have stabilisers while almost nothing else at 7.0-7.7 does, and they get HESH for free while the rest suffers with stock APDS.

HEAT might be the best round currently, but it really isn't that much better than APDS.

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what? 105mm heat-fs is lightyears better than APDS, it lolpens everything and pulverizes everything it goes through, also high ammo rack chance. The apds doesnt lolpen shit, when it pens it doesnt damage anything and it turns ammo black almost every time.

HEAT has great pen and a little more post pen sure, but it trades that off for a much slower shell that explodes on bushes, is very expensive and often gets blocked by some external bits off armour or ERA.

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yep except it's actually reliable if you know its limitations rather than apds which is a gamble you have the odds of losing every single time regardless of whether you know where to aim

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Leo + talisman if possible then research all of tier 5 and 6 with it :p

43 points · 1 day ago

Basing my armor layout on that other game (because there isnt really any other sources I could find in 30 seconds of googling), the turret is going to be iffy against to Chieftain APDS with so much angling and hull only reliably pennable at less than 1000m.

HESH is going to eat through the hull like it was made of wet cardboard though. Extremely high angles perfect for HESH shells.

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2 points · 1 day ago

105mm HESH already goes through the IS-anything like butter, especially the IS6, and so does 105mm HEAT-FS so I'm not putting my bets on the IS7

3 points · 2 days ago

It's better with heat-fs if you don't mind the SL

3 points · 2 days ago


Ehhh not really, it struggles in an uptier and APHE can only do so much to a T-54/ Chieftain at range.

STD-1 at 7.7

I too like having bamboo for armor at 7.7, it's fine as it is.

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0 points · 2 days ago

Except the STB has the exact same gun as the Leo 1 but stabilized and both are 7.7, so either the STB goes up or the leopard goes down

The STB-1 is slower than the leopard and the stabilizer isn't even that useful it's not very stable at anything over 20kph.

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You ever seen how much the gun bounces around on the leo? I'd kill for even a half broken stabilizer

10 points · 2 days ago

Si te quieren hacer una gauchada tambien. Vine con la play 4 de alemania. No la declare. Me salto el semaforo. Escanearon la valija. El tipo ni bola, siguio viendo el telefono y me dijo pasa nomas. Leeestoooo.

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2 points · 2 days ago

Yo ya traje banda de cosas y solo una vez me hicieron abrir todo (igual tenia todas facturas photoshopeadas para q el impuesto sea menor).

Todo depende de como se levanto el del escaner. Tambien ayuda tener tremenda cola atras, si sos de los ultimos ya te pueden tener sin atrasar mucho a los demas.

The most fun I've had at top tier, ironically, isn't top tier. I'm enjoying 8.3 immensely now that the actual top black hole is 10.0.

The T-10M is the 906 with some actual armor and the explosive filler of Stalin himself

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3 points · 3 days ago

probably because germany has basically no lineup from 7.7 to 9.0 anymore

Why the high rank tanks slide more recently ? I was going backward at -5 km/h I got hit in one track by SPAA and the tank kept sliding until the side revealed and the obvious happened ... did they changed the friction of tracks ?

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2 points · 3 days ago

yeah it was lowered

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30 points · 4 days ago

M10 wolverine has a ridiculously good gun and will fuck any tank up from any range, but players at that tier can't aim most of the time or get in a good position. Also bonus points for trolly armor when you have add-on tracks

the tank is amazing to play now. made over 100k in it in just a few games. brand new tank tbh

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maybe I should resume the grind for it

-10 points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

Hmmmm... Still haven't fixed the M774s from its export non-DU models to its domestic DU models (would have a better slope modifier).

Also all these tanks are getting new rounds and rounds being fixed but still no M833s for my M1.

At least the L7/M68 guns are more accurate now!

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2 points · 4 days ago

Why do you complain about a tank that is doing fine when there's loads of tanks that are a pain to play because of how bad they are

2 points · 5 days ago

HEAT-FS, getting places faster is of no use if you can't kill anyone anyway

3 points · 5 days ago

it's because it's also simulated serverside and by the time the server gives you a response you've already stopped clientside

That's a funny way to spell T29.

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0 points · 6 days ago

nope because american tankers are generally pretty bad at the game so they either don't hide the LFP or get flanked easily. 2+ k/d and like 4-6 kills a match in the KTH are easy to achieve.

3 points · 6 days ago · edited 5 days ago

When I'm in my Charioteer the biggest fear I have is the KTH. Tiny little turret face weakspot that probably won't be a one shot for my 20pdr and that 88mm which is absolutely terrifying to be on the wrong end of.

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the amount of times i've gotten bs shots on turret rings on otherwise well armored tanks and nuked them to oblivion is insane

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I've slapped a tali on the leopard 1 and went through A1A1 and 2k in about a week and a half. I am a quarter way through the leopard 2a4 right now, all with the talismanned Leopard 1 (I've almost reached ace crew on it with all the grind)

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I'm in this struggle right now, heat-fs does make the Leo 1 better so I'm considering a tali on it now that the A1A1 has an impossible stock grind

The ammo isn't drastically wrong per se, firstly, it didn't use L23, but whatever, it did use L23A1, L31A7 and L15A5, but L23A1 is over-performing against flat angles and under-performing against slopes.

The armour also isn't drastically wrong, it's just that Gaijin is messing around with the unknown data, what's known is that it's turret is roughly equivalent of slightly over 500mm against Sovjet APFSDS designs, which it is, it's glacis is around 430mm against Sovjet APFSDS, which it is and it's lower glacis is quite weak, which it is.

The potential problem comes in with Gaijin's figures given against non-Sovjet APFSDS and the poor armour modelling which leads to shots glitching through when they shouldn't, the side armour could use fixing as well.

Regardless, even if they did correctly model the Challenger, it still wouldn;t make it a competitive tank, the same will be true for when the Challenger 2 comes about, that tank isn;t really all that good in real life and it certainly won't be in-game due to having almost the exact same weaknesses as the Chally 1.

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-1 points · 7 days ago

It's not about it being a good/bad tank irl. It's the fact gaijin has a weird interpretation of real mbts mobility. Neither the Abrams or leopard 2 handle like go karts. Yes they have powerful engines and high top speeds but they are still freaking heavy, they don't drive around madly with snappy turrets all over the place. This is easy to see in videos.

Since they do in-game and the Challenger doesn't, the Challenger is immediately at a disadvantage which isn't present in real life.

The turret traverse for the M1, Leopard 2A4 and Challenger are fairly similar, so I'm not sure what you mean.

Also, the Challenger falls about in the middle between an M1's mobility and a T-64BV's mobility, perhaps closer to the T-64, but that's not unrealistic.

All these tanks have slower off-road top-speeds than their real life counterparts do, this isn't exclusive to the Chally.

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-1 points · 7 days ago

My point is that real modern MBTs are much more sluggish than they are ingame, just because they can reach high top speeds does not mean they have basically no inertia and zoom around effortlessly like they do ingame. Their turrets are also heavy and take time to reach their maximum traverse rate unlike the ones in warthunder reaching it instantly.

With advances in technology, automation has the potential to virtually eliminate the need for the vast majority of human labor, and consequently, the monetary policies that contribute to skyrocketing rates of abject poverty, violence (behavioral and structural), social and economic inequality, war and famine.

This is all literally thanks to capitalism. You're shitting on and praising capitalism In the same sentence.

Capitalism is in its later stages, and is contributing to massive instability, ecological and social crises the world over.

Capitalism is just getting started. Check out /r/FullAutoCapitalism Also it's funny that you say capitalism is causing ecological crises, when it's the job of government to protect the commons. Government is causing ecological crisis because they're not doing their job. Unlike government though, people like Elon musk are saving the planet by building EVs, which is directly taking gas cars off the road. Capitalism is saving the world. It's easy to see if you're not a cynic.

It generates incomprehensible amounts of waste, it’s highly inefficient and only solves problems in the interest of perpetuating itself.

This is going beyond cynicism into willful ignorance now. All economic systems are judged by how efficiently they allocate scarce resources. Capitalism is so efficient that it's going to end scarcity as we know it and lead to post scarcity capitalism. Capitalism is also inherently non wasteful, because waste eats into profit margins.

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The problem isn't capitalism, but the fact full blown capitalism puts such huge emphasis on making money that people will shit on other people just to make more money, namely the rich shitting on the poor. It can bring out the worst in people when there's nobody to regulate it.

-6 points · 7 days ago

Nope...just that there no facts to the claim.

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11 points · 7 days ago

I mean I'll take their word for it over someone telling me they are wrong.

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They have better zoom, better rounds and better mobility, way worse armour. The japanese still have the better tank in 7.7 which is the STB-1 and they usually queue with Germans.

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Uh the zoom is a detriment not an advantage, and why do they need better rounds when they can pen you anywhere? The thing is german 7.7 teams are 90% Leo's so it's almost always them getting stomped.

2 points · 8 days ago

The Leopard 1, now that it no longer receives A1A1 support, is going to be clubbed into the ground by Soviet 7.7 teams.

Of course not, the tank is cappable of figithing on equal terms as long as people use HESH and HEATFS. You also have other tanks as backup like the Maus if you want more armour.

Leo 1, RU 251, Coelian, Maus and German heavy bombers sound like a solid line up. Not the easy cake it was with 70% WR before but a good line up.

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2 points · 8 days ago

equal terms

you mean worse armor, equal or worse mobility, worse engagement conditions (bouncy gun + extreme zoom), bigger drop with HESH and HEAT-FS and a worse gun than T-54s it faces?

Simply put, while you drive your not-that-mobile leo and face someone, you have to come to a stop, wait for the gun to stop bouncing, aim to compensate for drop (more evident in HESH, but still happens with HEAT-FS) and then aim for a weakspot or "sweetspot" if using HEAT-FS. Then hope you disable his gunner/breech so you can go for a second shot to finish off his crew.

All the while any tank you face will just point and left click and blow you to pieces wherever they hit you.

Leopard 1 is just not a serious threat to any 7.7 or 7.0 tank. Unless you get caught with your pants down, flanked, or something like that, in which case a panzer 4 F2 would do the job just as well.

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6 points · 7 days ago

Dumb question, from someone with no flying experience... Why does the PFD read 45 knots? And 30 knots in the standby?

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No air running through the pitot tubes, no reading

5 points · 7 days ago

I figured that out, but why 45 and not any other number? (Such as, well, 0)

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2 points · 7 days ago

Because whoever designed it decided it stops reading below 45

except on /r/EnoughMuskSpam, where you can find how he keeps his workers into horrible conditions, how tesla is not as nearly succesful as he says etc..

This sums elon musk logic pretty good. He just caters to tech nerds, which explains his massive popularity on reddit.

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2 points · 8 days ago

in reddit elon musk is either our savior jesus or satan, there's no middle ground.

Not really. Most tanks at 9.0+ have similar or better mobility, much better armor, and similar or better APFSDS options. It's wholly mediocre now. Not unplayable, just not particularly good.

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2 points · 8 days ago

unplayable until you get to APFSDS, which was already a pain at 8.3.

Was it ever 8.7? I haven't personally followed this Leo 1A1 story. Wouldn't 8.7 be a good compromise?

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4 points · 9 days ago

logic? what? gaijin follows no such rules

The ru251 is better at 7.7 than the leo 1

Yes it is, and I abuse the shit out of it because it's horrifically undertiered. Doesn't mean the Leo is overtiered.

Then there's the KTH, which you can use in 7.7 and I have better results than with the leo 1

You can, maybe, but that means you are absolute shit at driving the Leo. This is a severe L2P issue.

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0 points · 9 days ago

LOL. The general consensus in this sub is that it's a piece of shit tank that's absolutely powercreeped, so good luck trying to convince everyone.

shouldn't be 7.7, it has zero advantages over any other 7.7 tank

Sorry, are the M60 and M48 not at 7.7 anymore? I played them yesterday so I think they are.

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-1 points · 9 days ago

Fair enough - more examples of tanks that are way overtiered with the current performance of the L7.

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22 points · 10 days ago

It will do soon. I've recently been reworking parts of it and some MAY be incorporated into the core game. Waiting on that first before anything goes live.

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13 points · 10 days ago

Yes. The Ru251 is tough to play though and you will learn the maps. It's a good tank to learn really as every mistake will lead to your death. You will also learn how trees, bushes and spaced armor affect chemical shells like HESH and HEAT-FS - at the same time, HEAT-FS allows you to go through any tank from the front (though if you get shot you die so aim carefully).

Once you have the king tiger H you will have a strong 6.7 lineup. If you use the ru251 as a backup you can get to the battle extremely quickly after you die in the KTH. I rarely take the ru251 first because the KTH is an extremely strong tank (I talismaned it).

I'm currently researching all of Tier 5 with the KTH + ru because the leopard 1 sucks dick and I'll only use it to get the Leo A1A1.


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