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hd909 commented on a post in r/NoStupidQuestions
SpiderJax99 22 points

Before the 1950/60s all pencils were actual lead.

Edit: I was wrong. This comment is fake news.

hd909 39 points

That's not correct. Pencils were made out of graphite ever since it was first invented. It was mistakenly identified as black lead back then. The tradition of calling sticks of graphite “lead” has endured to this day. There was a form of writing instrument in ancient times before the pencil called a stylus that sometimes was made of lead.

Mr_Denial 1 point

Linguist here. When you make arguments about language, you can’t just keep pointing at dictionary definitions and saying ‘why can’t I say this’ or ‘why do we say this’, then proceeding to dispute every logical explanation people give you to answer the question.

Your post itself acknowledges that people don’t use the term ‘grocery’ to refer to a grocery store, so why start pretending now that you need a credible source on the scarcity of a word and how often its different meanings are used (even when no such source is physically possible)

Instead, look around you, because language transforms constantly and there’s nothing you can physically do about it, meanings fade out of use and become archaic.

It just so happens that ‘grocery’ is recognised as a singular form of ‘groceries’, (people even say ‘grocery shopping’) so the specification of ‘store’ becomes apparent. (you can refer to a single item as a ‘grocery’, but seldom/never would you refer to a single item from a bakery as ‘bakery’). Look to fishery, a word you can not conceivably use to describe a single fish, and conveniently our pattern falls right into place, no ‘store’ added.

Even if you disagree with this, you cannot dispute something that exists all around you; the fact that ‘groceries’ are referred to as grocery stores and bakeries etc are not referred to as bakery stores. Language changes depending on its use in real contexts, and not by how each of its components are supposed to be used and defined. If you notice an unusual pattern in language, the chances are people have simply adapted it to be that way. We’re lucky that this situation actually carries some syntactical/grammatical patterns, as often language change does not.

As regards to PIN number, most linguists identify that ‘PIN’ already being a word makes it more likely that we would begin to use ‘number’ to specify its meaning. ‘ATM Machine’ works on the similar principle of over-specification, but is a fascinating natural language phenomenon in itself. It helps to drop the 'right and wrong' prescriptive approach when it comes to explaining language use and just accept how things are, then open yourself to explanations as to why they might be that way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

hd909 0 points

then proceeding to dispute every logical explanation people give you to answer the question.

Except no answer given so far was "logical" by any stretch. Unless you have since altered the definition of the word according to your whims and fancies. If it was, I'd have no problem conceding my point. Applying the slightest amount of logic to the term would lead to a dead-end, just like "ATM machine." This is indeed a case of RAS syndrome, and worse still it seems to be regional. The word "grocery store" isn't used in the country of origin of the English language. They use "grocer's", "greengrocer's" or simply "grocery." So this is only a problem in North American countries which have adopted the English language, and undoubtedly simplified the original language. A classic example is the (color/colour) difference. That applies in the case of "ATM machine" too, the term "cash machine" being favoured over "ATM" in the country of origin of both the machine and the English language.

It just so happens that ‘grocery’ is recognised as a singular form of ‘groceries’, (people even say ‘grocery shopping’) so the specification of ‘store’ becomes apparent. (you can refer to a single item as a ‘grocery’, but seldom/never would you refer to a single item from a bakery as ‘bakery’)

This is not a claim you can make without some citations. I hadn't even looked up the word in the dictionary when I first disagreed with the other person on the usage of the term "bakery", because I recalled hearing the term used for baked goods. Looking it up corroborated my anecdotal knowledge. The usage of the term "bakery" to mean a baked good isn't limited to the country of origin of the English language either. It is also in the North American vocabulary. The usage of the singular form "grocery" to refer to a single item of food is unheard of in proper English speaking countries, and so is the term "grocery store." You don't say "grocery shopping", you say "shopping for groceries." I can't speak for countries using the simplified form of the English language, but their dictionaries seem to mostly mirror proper English vocabulary usage. Also, "fishery" cannot be used to describe fish, singular or plural. It refers to the place or occupation, not the fish itself. "Bakery" and "groceries" can be used to describe the product. But "grocery" cannot be used to describe it, so it is equivalent to fishery in that "store" should not be present at the end.

you cannot dispute something that exists all around you; the fact that ‘groceries’ are referred to as grocery stores and bakeries etc are not referred to as bakery stores.

It doesn't exist around me. I mainly brought this up because I frequently hear people from a specific country using that term here on reddit. Where I live, we speak English and "grocery" and "bakery" are the only terms ever used to refer to the establishment ("bakery" is also used to refer to baked goods occasionally).

most linguists identify that ‘PIN’ already being a word makes it more likely that we would begin to use ‘number’ to specify its meaning

How come? There shouldn't be confusion with context. If you're in a bank and a front desk worker talks about PIN it should be clear what "PIN" refers to. If somebody asks for a "pin" to tie their hair or something it should also be clear on what it refers to. I doubt your self-proclaimed credentials as a "linguist."

The bottom-line is you should be open to new changes because languages evolve all the time. However if that change happens to be a regional/country-specific one, makes very little logical sense because it lengthens an already specific word and the rest of the English speaking world including the country of origin of the language doesn't use that new term for obvious reasons, I believe one should not be so open to such illogical and unwanted changes. It seems evident that this is a word that was usedd incorrectly by a few people in these countries and has since caught on. Even then, there are still people in these countries who realize that the addition of "store" is unnecessary and stick to proper English conventions as evident from this thread.

Mr_Denial 1 point

Your post is literally pointless at this point... you asked (apparently just being ‘curious’) about why people say ‘grocery’ store and now you’re out of ideas so you start referring to groups of people and people in your area that do not say ‘grocery’ store. That’s not relevant to any of your answers on this post. It doesn’t invalidate any of the answers, as the whole point is people are trying to hit home to you possibilities for the issue YOU brought up.

Go try this on r/explainlikeimfive if you’re deeply passionate about this

“I believe one should not be open to such illogical and unwanted changes”

As already mentioned, it’s already clear that you’re not here to find answers or even CONSIDER explanations for your question but rather to moan about the fact some people say ‘grocery store’ and just claim it’s wrong.

You’re a prescriptivist and that’s fine to be that way, but there is literally nothing you can do about it so you are wasting your time complaining.

Bottom line: language change won’t always make sense and it will affect areas that you think it ‘shouldn’t’. Popular terms spread far more easily especially due to modern tech/social media now

hd909 1 point

I made the post because I expected the people who replied to this thread to actually support their points with citations and dictionary references. Perhaps that was too much to ask of this subreddit, and anecdotal evidence is all one has to go on. I'm afraid the only people running out of ideas here are the people trying to desperately uphold "grocery store" as a correct term despite all the evidence to the contrary. I'm simply providing facts and citations to counter anecdotes. Idk how that's not "relevant." I don't have the herd mentality necessary to blindly follow anecdotal conventions on changes in the language in countries that adopted the original language and proceeded to simplify it. Sorry you don't see it that way and want everybody to be sheep. Also what would be the point of posting it on ELI5 when the majority of responses will again be anecdotes from similar people? Reddit is a forum dominated by people from a specific country, which is fair enough considering the forum was created by them but arguing with them on something they perceive to be entirely normal would be like teaching a pig how to fly.

I'm sure you realize a lot of people wouldn't take anecdotal points as fact. Which yet again is why I doubt your credentials. I don't know of any linguist who simply follows anecdotes to explain changes in the language. And your posting history doesn't inspire confidence either. Perhaps you should have thought of a more suitable job to describe yourself if you're going to make it up because this is hilarious.

Bottom-line: Anecdotes and facts are 2 distinct bodies. When done properly, changes in the English language will always be supported by citations on why and how the term has come into use. When done improperly in a country that didn't originate the language, anecdotes and spin doctors are what you get. You can choose to believe what you want. Some people believe God created food and water for us and can take it away at any time. Others believe the scientific evidence that explains how food and water came into being is far more solid than attributing it to a supernatural force. To each their own :)

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hd909 commented on a post in r/AskReddit
RecoveringGrocer 1 point

Yes there were dinner jackets prior, Tuxedos were just shorter and darker than standard. The name definitely comes from the town. I had read something regarding the king of England but can’t find the source now so it may be that the rich people just made it popular in general

hd909 3 points

This is quite nonsensical. Dinner jackets came from Englsnd, "tuxedo" or whataver came from there.

GiantWindmill -2 points

What if the editor is on reddit? They know more than themselves?

hd909 15 points

I think he's def not, or he would've been fired ages ago.

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hd909 commented on a post in r/NoStupidQuestions
CaptainAwesome06 1 point

Why would anyone treat anyone unequally? Welcome to the world. It's not as cozy as your rock but you may enjoy some parts of it.

hd909 3 points

Why would anyone treat anyone unequally?

There are cases where it's justified, others where it's not. Criminals are treated unequally. The mentally disabled are treated unequally. And less intelligent people are treated unequally. Welcome to the civilised world. I think you might find people have slightly more brain capacities than you are used to.

CaptainAwesome06 1 point

I wish I were as naive as you.

hd909 3 points

I wish I could see things from your point-of-view, but I can't seem to shove my head that far up my ass :/

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therajn9 8 points

HMD is basically Nokia. Everything in Finland seems almost 80% Nokia.

hd909 4 points

Nah, Nokia has zero investment in HMD. They're simply licencing the brand name to them.

therajn9 2 points

Dude I'm telling in terms of staff. Anything and everything in Finland has an ex-nokian or somehow connected to Nokia. They are everywhere. They basically silently run the country =D

hd909 2 points

You can't generalise that way man. HMD Global has some ex-Nokia execs but it's an independent company backed by a private equity fund and with zero investment from Nokia. Its like saying Mcdonalds silently runs the food industry because they are everywhere and have ex-employees in other fast food chains.

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hd909 commented on a post in r/AskReddit
Payed_Looser 1 point

Are you telling me that you lied about being fired?

hd909 1 point

Maybe, maybe not. Either way nobody has to prove anything to anyone.

Payed_Looser 1 point

That’s true.

But it seems awfully odd to make up a lie that makes you look like a fool. I will just assume you were truthful.

hd909 1 point

Look at the other comments in the thread. How many makes the anonymous poster look like a fool but is still posted for karma? Assuming everything somebody said is truthful is utter foolishness for anybody on a default sub for more than a week.

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hd909 commented on a post in r/Android
imjms737 88 points

Can confirm. I’ve been living in Japan for about 7 years now, and:

  1. Anecdotally speaking, 7 out of 10 people I see out in the streets in Tokyo use iOS
  2. The non-Samsung android phones I see are usually just Xperia or Sharp phones, but people who use them are very rare to come by. Also, the Pixel phones aren’t available in Japan.
hd909 13 points

The non-Samsung android phones I see are usually just Xperia or Sharp phones, but people who use them are very rare to come by.

Strange then that Sony is the largest non-iphone smartphone company in Japan, with 1.2 million devices sold in Q2 2017. Samsung is well below Sony.

hd909 commented on a post in r/PickAnAndroidForMe
hd909 3 points

How about the Motorola G5S Plus? From the XDA forums (https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g5s-plus/development) they seem to have a few 8.1 and 8.0 roms ready for your needs. Not quite as active as any flagship though so you might have better bets with the OnePlus or Samsung if you want a continually active community. It is also NFC capable but might be slightly higher than $200 depending on where you buy it from.

hd909 commented on a post in r/AskReddit
sYnce 29 points

Pretty sure Uber doesn't allow "extra pay". That said you should be able to deny a ride as a uber driver.

Also a system were you can make someone wait for $5,40 an hour seems stupid. Should implement a system were if you don't make any miles you end up at at least minimum wage.

edit: as it was pointed out this thred is about lyft not uber

hd909 4 points

What's Uber got to do with this thread?

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rammer910 21 points

A lot of the good classic choices are already said so I'm gonna go with Casino Royale.

It's not really good because of the action so much as it's just a great film with some action scenes in it. The parkour chase scene in the beginning is pretty damn awesome though! Daniel Craig, Eva Green, and Mads Mikkelsen are fantastic in it.

hd909 2 points

That's more of a spy movie than an action movie imo.

hd909 commented on a post in r/movies
Starwhisperer 1 point

Thanks for your response. I think we just disagree or I'm not understanding your point. By themes, I mean that of the musical variety, not of the actual words of the song. I don't speak spanish well enough to know if the lyrical content is similar.

You disagree that the arrangements, rhythm, and motifs are similar. My point is that they are strikingly similar. I think that's where our disagreement stems from.

To say that the only similarity in melody is the repetition... Now, that's not true, and you know that.

Whether it stands up in the court of law isn't exactly pertinent to my claim that 1. There are significant musical similarities. And 2. that I don't think these similarities occurred due to randomness. I'm not speaking to any of the legal reasoning that can be used to back up either side of the debate.

Okay, bringing up Trump and Moon landing. Great deflection and attempts at character statements! Just shows me that we're not on the same page of engaging in good faith and this isn't a discussion. If someone disagrees with you, then either explain your reasoning, rather than resorting to such silly derailments. It's not even that serious. Good day.

hd909 2 points

I don't speak spanish well enough to know if the lyrical content is similar.

There's your problem. I'm not the only person who has contradicted you here. That should tell you the problem here is you and not some silly delusional logic of "but but the rhythm, arrangements, motifs are similar!!!111!!!"

Now, that's not true, and you know that.

It is true, and judging by other responses, I'm hardly the only one.

There are significant musical similarities

Of which every person with some knowledge in music would disagree

that I don't think these similarities occurred due to randomness

What you think is irrelevant. Hence the analogy with the President and the Moon landing. Some people don't believe Trump is the President. Or the landing on the Moon was a hoax. Most people are of the opinion these people are delusional.

Great deflection and attempts at character statements!

What "character statement"? What deflection? Do you not understand how analogies work? I take it it's your first time on a discussion board?

Just shows me that we're not on the same page of engaging in good faith and this isn't a discussion.

Excellent logic coming from the person who started off the discussion with "Do you know much about music". Care to put down the crack and step away from the pipe?

If someone disagrees with you, then either explain your reasoning, rather than resorting to such silly derailments.

Unless you're blind or wilfully ignorant, I and multiple other people have explained our reasonings. But if somebody keeps insisting black is red, well....can't help them. Don't hit yourself on the way out.

Starwhisperer 0 points

Bravo! Congrats on your intelligence and immediate snarky shut down. Lmao. I would see someone for your extreme incapability of perhaps being wrong about something. As I said, it's not that serious. Learn to have a discussion next time and not resort to petty character statements and insults when you can't properly back up your arguments. Very childlike response.

Anyway, please take this opportunity to respond to someone else who agrees with you, because as you state here, the more people who agree with you on a public forum, the more correct you are. Lol. And yes, I asked if you knew much about music, due to the attempts of people, like yourself, to dismiss any musical similarities by stating that they simply have similar chord progressions. If you thought that was a character statement on your credibility, then sure, it was! As I'm beginning to think, that's what you think a song solely is. A list of chords in sequence.

Anyway, this conversation is done. Let's stop responding to each other.

hd909 3 points

Congrats on your intelligence and immediate snarky shut down.

Thank you, it just gets tiring at times talking to people who didn't spring far enough from apes!

I would see someone for your extreme incapability of perhaps being wrong about something

I don't know, I'm not the one being so heavily downvoted and contradicted by others on a discussion forum.

As I said, it's not that serious.

How can it ever be serious given the one-sided conversation? It's equivalent to a man teaching his dog to catch. And btw, that's an analogy. Not a derailment.

Learn to have a discussion next time and not resort to petty character statements and insults when you can't properly back up your arguments. Very childlike response.

I'd like to see things from this point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass. Perhaps you should educate us on what it really means to have this "discussion", since we're evidently all wrongly "discussing" this and you're the only one doing it right. Is it similar to how Buddha attained his enlightenment?

the more people who agree with you on a public forum, the more correct you are.

More evidence that we're all just wrong, and you're the only person with taste in music so good, even God would weep. Just a word of advice if you intend to make it far in the Internet world; It's better to let someone think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If you want to be a smartass, first you're going to have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass.

due to the attempts of people, like yourself, to dismiss any musical similarities by stating that they simply have similar chord progressions.

Which is the general opinion on most news forums and sites other than this one. Perhaps you aren't aware of this, but most other people realize there's more to a song than chord progressions. Maybe, just maybe, they don't see (or see very little) similarity in other parts of the song, and in context of a lawsuit they can reasonably conclude this will fail? If this is shocking news, I understand.

Anyway, this conversation is done. Let's stop responding to each other.

Again, don't hit yourself on the way out.

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hd909 commented on a post in r/movies
IMadeThisJustForHHH 34 points

I honestly find it very hard to understand why people actively dislike any sort of entertainment. Maybe I'm just getting old but I find it much more interesting to try to find the good in things, especially with something as unimportant as entertainment, than to try to find why I dislike it.

And on this forum when people dislike a movie, I usually find that they can't really explain why. They'll just say "the editing was bad" or something equally vague and call it a day. Same thing happens in real life. I find it frustrating.

hd909 1 point

I find it frustrating.

Why though? An opinion on entertainment is just as subjective as somebody's opinion on which food tastes better or which political candidate could represent them better. If you find people saying X food is better than Y food or candidate X is better than candidate Y frustrating, you have some issues you need to work on.

El_WrayY88 7 points

I think the Wire is probably the best a TV show could ever hope to be.

EDIT: It's damn near flawless and the pinnacle of television.

hd909 0 points

hard to say unless you're only referring to American tv shows. Lots of other countries have truly masterful tv shows.

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