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Those animals also don’t have a choice. You do.

And I choose to eat bacon. Top of the food chain , baby.

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And I choose to eat bacon

Why?

Top of the food chain , baby.

That says nothing as to why you should do it. That says you are ABLE to do it. Should we run things on a might is right ideology?

I choose to eat bacon because it tastes good and I can get it cheap from my uncle who is a pig farmer.

Maybe I am psychotic for eating meat. Maybe not. I honestly don't care at this point. I'm happy. My daughter is happy. You wanna be vegan? Fine. Be vegan. I'm gonna keep eating meat though. I'm just trying to make it to the finish line. And good ol' greasy bacon is gonna help me get there a bit faster.

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I choose to eat bacon because it tastes good

I choose to rape because it feels good.

I choose to murder because it makes me happy.

Using pleasure as a moral justification can justify literally any insane and barbaric act. Not an argument.

and I can get it cheap from my uncle who is a pig farmer

Slavery was the cheapest form of labor. Something being cheap does not make it morally acceptable.

I honestly don't care at this point.

I don't care is not the basis of a moral system. If you're going to make arbitrary decisions that involve clear immoral acts and say "I don't care", that could justify literally anything; including the Holocaust.

Oh, I'm sorry I stabbed you officer, but I just don't care about your life.

Not an argument.

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0 points · 1 day ago

Yeah we have but it seems you aren't reading my points or ignoring them on purpose.

Stabbing Mentally retarded people would be wrong because they are still humans. Its not just intelligence, its both. You are acting as if there can only be one reason.

And Aliens killing us may be fine for them but not for us since we want to survive and unlike animals aren't dumb (at least not to that level). Anyway this hypothetical part is unnecessary anyway, even if such smart aliens exist its not important now and I can't do anything if they decide to randomly kill us. I doubt us sparing animals would matter to them

No its not absurd at all because like I said intelligence isn't the only reason, them being humans is another. I have mentioned this multiple times. Both reasons are valid overall, you saying they aren't doesn't somehow make it true

Both may suffer but one is intelligent and the other is retarded AND not a human.

Says you, you don't decide this mate and it clearly makes you mad.

No we shouldn't because we are intelligent enough to above that. This only serves as further proof that animals are too retarded to give a shit about them anyway. They don't even have rules for this sort of shit (raping and killing each other)

I don't support that, innocent humans being killed is always 100% wrong. Thing is its just a minority doing it, you can't just condem the whole thing just because some are doing bad shit. American soldiers killed plenty of innocents in Iraq, should I hate all Americans?

How about caring what bad things happen to humans everywhere (especially third world countries)? Seems like you care more about animals which is typical Vegan too.

Then the leading minds should stop things, its not my responsibility. I have no power

So? Millions would still die, forest would still be destroyed etc. it can only matter if most people do it. not just a minority.

I can see that you are passionate about this though which is fine as long as you stay mature

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2 points · 1 day ago

Stabbing Mentally retarded people would be wrong because they are still humans. Its not just intelligence, its both. You are acting as if there can only be one reason.

Why is them being humans relevant? That's an arbitrary difference. Please name a relevant, moral difference.

And Aliens killing us may be fine for them but not for us since we want to survive

Animals too want to survive. What's the difference?

No its not absurd at all because like I said intelligence isn't the only reason, them being humans is another. I have mentioned this multiple times. Both reasons are valid overall, you saying they aren't doesn't somehow make it true

How is being human a valid reason? It's an arbitrary distinction. Explain what in being human entails them to not get stabbed.

How is intelligence a valid reason? We are going through the justifications one by one. If intelligence was to be used, holocausting mentally retarded people is okay.

If "we're humans tho" was to be used, then holocausting a race that is infinitely more sentient and more capable of pain and suffering than us is morally fine. Aliens holocausting us on the basis that "we're aliens tho and we're of a different species, so it's okay to holocaust you" would be fine.

White people enslaving black people because "We're white and you're not" is fine.

Humanity, skin color, and species are arbitrary differences. You must spell out a RELEVANT moral difference.

Both may suffer but one is intelligent and the other is retarded AND not a human.

That doesn't matter in the slightest. You have yet to explain how intelligence or humanity matter.

No we shouldn't because we are intelligent enough to above that. This only serves as further proof that animals are too retarded to give a shit about them anyway. They don't even have rules for this sort of shit (raping and killing each other)

Okay. Let me be clear.

Your premise is:

  1. Killing animals is fine because they cannot comprehend morality and are therefore without moral value.

The conclusions would be:

Killing anything that does not comprehend morality is okay.

Therefore, killing mentally retarded people and developmentally stunted babies who are doomed to be babies all their lives is okay, because they can't comprehend morality.

You're going to move on to the justification "No, because they're human."

Humanity is an arbitrary difference, much like skin color.

Difference of species is not a valid moral justification unless you'd be okay with us being holocausted by an intelligent alien species because they're aliens and we're not aliens.

I don't support that, innocent humans being killed is always 100% wrong. Thing is its just a minority doing it, you can't just condem the whole thing just because some are doing bad shit. American soldiers killed plenty of innocents in Iraq, should I hate all Americans?

The meat industry entirely is cutting down trees in the Amazon. It's not just a minority. You are funding an industry that destroys trees in the Amazon and kills humans.

91% of all destruction in the Amazon is caused by the meat industry.

How about caring what bad things happen to humans everywhere (especially third world countries)? Seems like you care more about animals which is typical Vegan too.

Actually, I argue with pro-Israel people all the time. I care about other humans too. Doesn't mean I can't also care about animals.

Then the leading minds should stop things, its not my responsibility. I have no power

It is the responsibility of the consumer. You are buying products that support the suffering and death of humans and animals. You should stop buying those products.

So? Millions would still die, forest would still be destroyed etc. it can only matter if most people do it. not just a minority.

Except veganism is on the rise. The number of vegans in the U.S. rose from 2% to 6% in the last 2 years. The U.K. number of vegans has risen by a whopping 700%. We're not just a minority, we're making an impact; which is why dairy sales are falling and plant-based milk sales are rising.

0 points · 1 day ago

Because I care about my species the most. So even when we have mentally retarded one's (which is a rarity) its important to treat them well, just because they are from my species.

Add to that the fact that animals are retarded and this whole thing becomes pretty clear to me. I think thee reasons are very relevant since I don't consider animals to be equal to humans like you do. You act like everyone has to follow your moral ideals regarding this whole matter, nope

The difference is that I'm not a freaking animal lol so I don't care if they want to survive. Nature should have made them smarter then because this is how the whole thing works, you adapt and survive.

Well like I said it would be fine for the aliens but not for me since I'm part of the human species. I'm not an animal who is too retarded to do anything either...

White people killing black people again is wrong because both are humans.

Those are important differences because they determine my morals and how much I care. Thats how they matter for me AND most people.

You think animals would give a fuck if they were smart and we were retarded? No, I really doubt that.

This is just how we are. I mean we still treat each other like crap (even if its less now than before, like slavery is all but gone) for various reasons (different countries, skin color etc.) even though we are of the same species but you think humans will give a fuck about animals who are too dumb anyway AND can't do anything (unlike other humans)?

You are naive mate

I won't deny its selfish to kill animals because we want to eat. But thats how we are. I wouldn't be ok by being "holocausted" because I'm a human who wants to survive.

Yeah but my point was that America's government and plenty of others have done and are doing bad shit. Somehow I don't see you (if you are from there) leaving and protesting. Why should I do it?

I won't deny its a bad thing whats happening to people there but its out of my hands

Yeah but do you really care this much about other humans? I doubt you are this active regarding human rights matters tbh

If I stop, nothing would change. A BIG portion of people would need to stop and thats not happening.

You are still a minority dude, 6-7% isn't much at all. Its like acting transgender people are a majority.

Since most are still eating meat without any problems..you aren't making any impact that matters.

Now this might change but I doubt it.

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Because I care about my species the most. So even when we have mentally retarded one's (which is a rarity) its important to treat them well, just because they are from my species.

Again, you're appealing to group membership. If an alien said "I don't care about humans, they're not in my species, so it's fine to genocide them all" it would not be moral or okay. It's therefore hypocritical to do the same here.

Add to that the fact that animals are retarded and this whole thing becomes pretty clear to me. I think thee reasons are very relevant since I don't consider animals to be equal to humans like you do. You act like everyone has to follow your moral ideals regarding this whole matter, nope

You're repeating your points, over and over again and ignoring that I responded to them.

Killing anything that does not comprehend morality is okay.

Therefore, killing mentally retarded people and developmentally stunted babies who are doomed to be babies all their lives is okay, because they can't comprehend morality.

You're going to move on to the justification "No, because they're human."

Humanity is an arbitrary difference, much like skin color.

Difference of species is not a valid moral justification unless you'd be okay with us being holocausted by an intelligent alien species because they're aliens and we're not aliens.

The difference is that I'm not a freaking animal lol so I don't care if they want to survive.

"Difference is I'm not a black person so I don't care if they don't want to be enslaved"

You wouldn't accept this logic when used by white people to enslave black people. Them being humans has nothing to do with it, btw.

You're making a "might is right" claim, and when you have a might is right way of thinking, you must apply it consistently.

If you're just going to apply might is right to animals but not to humans, that is a logical fallacy called special pleading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

Well like I said it would be fine for the aliens but not for me since I'm part of the human species.

No, I am saying, in your moral system, it is moral to holocaust a species if they are of inferior intelligence and strength. Therefore, you'd morally AGREE with the aliens genociding us.

You disagreeing with the aliens genociding us means you are being hypocritical with your moral system and not applying it to humans when you apply it with animals; yet another form of the special pleading fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

White people killing black people again is wrong because both are humans.

I specifically addressed this in my last comment.

You're going to move on to the justification "No, because they're human."

Difference of species is not a valid moral justification unless you'd be okay with us being holocausted by an intelligent alien species because they're aliens and we're not aliens.

Please respond to my responses and don't just make the same points over and over.

This is just how we are. I mean we still treat each other like crap (even if its less now than before, like slavery is all but gone) for various reasons (different countries, skin color etc.) even though we are of the same species but you think humans will give a fuck about animals who are too dumb anyway AND can't do anything (unlike other humans)?

So, you can't go vegan because other humans sometimes do awful things?

Well, by that logic, Hitler killed 6 million Jews, so it's fine for me to shoot up my local theatre because what he did was worse.

I won't deny its selfish to kill animals because we want to eat. But thats how we are.

Yes, that's how we are, and it's changing. The number of vegans has gone up by 700% in the last two years. There is an extreme upward trend, and it's not going to be a meat-eater dominated society for long. Do you want to be on the wrong, hateful, murdering side of history or do you want to be on the right side of history?

I wouldn't be ok by being "holocausted" because I'm a human who wants to survive.

Then you are committing special pleading.

You are stating "Might is right, but not when I'm affected!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

Yeah but my point was that America's government and plenty of others have done and are doing bad shit. Somehow I don't see you (if you are from there) leaving and protesting. Why should I do it?

I am not from America, and I despise the actions of its government; as you can see from my comment history.

Other people doing bad things does not give you a free card to do bad things yourself, especially when it's easily in your control.

I won't deny its a bad thing whats happening to people there but its out of my hands

But it is. It is in your hands. Once you stop consuming animal products, the production will be decreased. Supply & demand. Being vegan for one year saves 370 animals, and many acres of rainforest land (therefore people).

Yeah but do you really care this much about other humans? I doubt you are this active regarding human rights matters tbh

I am, dude. Check out my political comment history.

You are still a minority dude, 6-7% isn't much at all. Its like acting transgender people are a majority.

I am not saying we are a majority. I am saying, if you look at current trends, it is highly possible that we will be a majority in some decades.

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So a lemon is a vegetable?

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Original Poster1 point · 1 day ago

In the original definition of vegetable, yes.

Aye aye aye. I want to sit on my deck and whittle, but ok, I'll entertain you once more.


I'll force it on others because there is a time and place for death, also I want them to die, because they taste good yada yada. We've done this already.


It can be nice. Also even if it's not nice, it's not always mean. It can be okay and humane, like pulling the plug on someone's life support, or putting a dog down. In fact both of those ARE nice. In the case of most animal killings I'd say it's neutral.


How do you define "unnecessary?"

For many people in different cultures, eating meat is a crucial part of the diet that allows them to exist. Even for me, a first-world resident, I would have a shitty time without meat. I have both oral allergy syndrome to most fruits and vegetables, and severe anaphylaxis to all tree nuts. Those are the fuckin cornerstones of a vegan diet right there. Eating any substantial meal made primarily with fresh fruits and vegetables would be painful and I would likely end up malnourished as a result. Back to the definition of unnecessary. I can call basically anything short of an IV drip and an immune system unnecessary. We are all capable of leading lives without 99% of the things we use and the things we eat, but we don't do that. On one level, meat isn't any more unnecessary than vegetables, and on another meat is completely necessary. Arguing against something by smearing it as unnecessary when you yourself do not exist with that necessity is disingenuous.

For now I am putting my phone down, but this is an interesting conversation.

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Original Poster0 points · 1 day ago · edited 1 day ago

I'll force it on others because there is a time and place for death

But this isn't their time. You are stripping them of their entire lifespan when you kill them at a young age (like farm animals are.)

because they taste good yada yada. We've done this already.

If people tasted good, would that justify murdering them and eating their flesh? Why or why not? (Please don't reply with eating humans is unhealthy so we shouldn't do it. Eating animals, too, is unhealthy.)

It can be nice. Also even if it's not nice, it's not always mean. It can be okay and humane, like pulling the plug on someone's life support, or putting a dog down.

We're obviously not discussing it in that context. Please stick to the topic.

In the case of most animal killings I'd say it's neutral.

Why?

How do you define "unnecessary?"

Without utmost need; and causes harm to others.

For many people in different cultures, eating meat is a crucial part of the diet that allows them to exist.

Cool. In many cultures, raping women is a crucial part of their lifestyle.

Some tribal cultures rely on meat for sustenance, but I am not discussing it in that context. Please stick to a first-world context.

Even for me, a first-world resident, I would have a shitty time without meat. I have both oral allergy syndrome to most fruits and vegetables, and severe anaphylaxis to all tree nuts. Those are the fuckin cornerstones of a vegan diet right there. Eating any substantial meal made primarily with fresh fruits and vegetables would be painful and I would likely end up malnourished as a result.

While it sucks that you have that, it's possible that you can thrive on whatever fruits/vegetables you still can consume with the addition of beans, legumes, seeds, starches, grains.

can call basically anything short of an IV drip and an immune system unnecessary.

Irrelevant. It's not just the necessity of it that I'm bothered with, it's the fact that you're causing the suffering and death of an animal for a needless reason.

On one level, meat isn't any more unnecessary than vegetables,

Meat causes the avoidable suffering and death of animals. Vegetables don't.

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Saturated fat

Not unhealthy in moderation

Sugar

Not unhealthy in moderation

Cholesterol

Not unhealthy in moderation

Mammalian growth hormones

Not meaningful or relevant

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2 points · 2 days ago

Not unhealthy in moderation

Unhealthy in moderation, actually.

https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article-abstract/69/5/270/1935029?redirectedFrom=PDF

"The IOM did not set ULs for trans fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol because any intake level above 0% of energy increased LDL cholesterol concentration and these three food components are unavoidable in ordinary diets."

The results of this analysis confirm the limitations of the risk assessment model for setting ULs because of its inability to identify a UL for food components, such as cholesterol, that lack an intake threshold associated with increased chronic disease risk.

Meaning, all form of intake is associated with chronic disease.

Cholesterol

See above

Mammalian growth hormones

QUITE meaningful and relevant. Milk raises your total estrogen levels, putting you at risk of several cancers.

Please don't spread dangerous misinformation about saturated fat and high mammalian estrogen milk when it's actively killing people.

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After reading this (and your other comments), it's clear to me you have some emotional investment in this topic, so I'm not going to take the time to address each of your points. All I would ask you to do is google "literature review milk health." This isn't a controversial topic in the literature.

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3 points · 2 days ago

So, I googled that and came across this study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122229/

I read through it, and in its conclusion, it states.

Our review of the totality of available scientific evidence supports that intake of milk and dairy products contributes to meeting nutrient recommendations and may protect against the most prevalent, chronic non-communicable diseases, whereas very few adverse effects have been reported.

Wow! That's strange! Dairy protects against chronic disease, despite being high in cholesterol and saturated fat?

Was about to stop being vegan, till I saw this.

. Anne Raben is recipient of research funding from the Dairy Research Institute, Rosemont, IL, USA and the Danish Agriculture & Food Council.Tine Tholstrup is recipient of research grants from the Danish Dairy Research Foundation and the Dairy Research Institute, Rosemont, IL.

Sabita S. Soedamah-Muthu received funding from the Global Dairy Platform, Dairy Research Institute and Dairy Australia for meta-analyses on cheese and blood lipids and on dairy and mortality.

I also looked at another review based on raw milk vs pasteurized milk. Not quite what we're looking for.

So, if I missed it, can you link me the study?

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He does not deserve your money. He has devolved into a belligerent racist ghoul.

The one you responded to had an abstract online, the one I'm referring to was in a printed journal.

Most animals don't think about living into their late eighties, they're worried about their short term survival, which is why they still eat the flesh of other animals when there's an opportunity. The risk vs. reward is worth it.

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The one you responded to had an abstract online, the one I'm referring to was in a printed journal.

I read the entire study, not just the abstract.

Most animals don't think about living into their late eighties, they're worried about their short term survival, which is why they still eat the flesh of other animals when there's an opportunity. The risk vs. reward is worth it.

That is true.

Where did you find the in print journal?

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sci-hub

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Ouija Board, Our Frank, King Leer, Sister I'm a Poet, Dear God Please Help Me, Lifeguard on Duty, All You Need is Me, Certain People I Know, National Front Disco, Lucky Lisp.

committed suicide

haha me too thanks

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-1 points · 2 days ago

Or MAYBE, you shouldn't get these plaques in the first place. Don't eat animal foods and plant oils.

You act like plant agriculture isn't just as detrimental. How many different ecosystems do you think were destroyed in the creation of farmland? How many wild animals had to die, and still do, so that said land can be farmed on? Truth of the matter is, nobody has clean hands. Like I said, there's a huge grey area.

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17 points · 4 days ago

Most plant agriculture is done to feed livestock.

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[Online][LFP][UTC] Daily DnD 3.5e campaign set in Faerun!

Join us on a bleak journey to the depths of human misery as we explore the extraordinary strength hidden in the core of ordinary people. This campaign prides itself on its low fantasy adherence to realism where possible. There are no heroes here, and the good guys rarely win.

Discord link: https://discord.gg/W5CUvB3

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Can you define low fantasy? What days do you play? What do you use? How many players so far? Classes and races? How does the group play?

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Original Poster1 point · 4 days ago

Can you define low fantasy?

Magic is very subtle and nearly non-existent, like in Game of Thrones.

What days do you play

Daily

What do you use

A rollbot on discord

How many players so far

3 active

Classes and races

Two rogues, one dragon priest.

How does the group play?

They seem to be introverts. They haven't formed into a group yet.

Hey. Are you still looking for players ? Can you provide more details?

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Original Poster1 point · 4 days ago

Hey. Are you still looking for players

Yes, definitely!

Can you provide more details?

What sort of details do you need? We have 3-4 active players, we're a low fantasy low magic campaign, it's set in the Forgotten Realms.

-39 points · 4 days ago

Oh come on you guys sure find a way to complain about everything. He's the President. America literally is his people as he is the head of the United States of America and the citizens are his people who he is to protect and watch over.

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27 points · 4 days ago

No. He is a public servant. The people do not belong to him, he belongs to the people. This isn't Russia.

-24 points · 4 days ago

A good leader for the people is a servant, and that leader is the head, so they are his people. That is like Moses saying "Free my people" The people were not his obviously but he was the appointed leader and he was for all his people so they are his people as he is the head. A father saying "my family" does not make every member "belong" to him

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19 points · 4 days ago

No. The President is a servant. He does not lead or head the people, supposedly. The people should lead him, as he is their representative.

Unfortunately, this tradition has been long disregarded.

51 points · 4 days ago

It would also be terrifying. If there are two planets (well, a planet and a moon) in our solar system that harbor life, what the fuck is going on in the rest of the galaxy? Sure, maybe we just happen to be the most intelligent life yet (doubt it tho). But, it seems more likely if we found life on Europa that the galaxy is teeming with life, it just doesn’t want to be found. Which begs the question, what are they hiding from? Is there something in the universe that we don’t know about, that causes other advanced civilizations to cower in fear? Have we been sending out messages into space that could ultimately lead something terrifying straight to us?

Shits fucked, yo

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2 points · 4 days ago

More probably, we just haven't looked hard enough. We've only examined a few thousand stars and exoplanets. The James Webb Telescope may accelerate that effort.

The Smiths... the only band I would literally pay $1000+ dollars to see live. Just once, just one reunion tour..........

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A reunion wouldn't be worth it. The members have all degraded in quality. If I had a time machine, the first thing I would do is go to a 1980's Smiths concert.

Out of curiosity, do you know any other Saudi vegans?

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Original Poster1 point · 5 days ago

Yes

Cool, glad to see that there are vegans everywhere!

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Original Poster1 point · 5 days ago

Yeah. Two vegan restaurants opened up in the last 2 months.

Pretty sure we dont torture cows to death.

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-2 points · 5 days ago

You may want to re-consider that belief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKeE_SPSbio&t=

16 points · 6 days ago

The youtube comments in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fgK8laWlak are insane. So many "people" calling Strzok a liar and traitor. Strzok made Gowdy look like a fool, especially when he referenced Trump's despicable way he treated the Kahn family as the reason he made some of those texts about stopping Trump.

I'm listening to gowdy and I'm like no shit someone intelligent and honorable wants to stop Trump. The guy has been a sleazeball his whole life and makes really no attempt to hide it.

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7 points · 6 days ago

Russians

2 points · 6 days ago

She's a hero

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2 points · 6 days ago

This is not very definitive. This is pointing to correlative data with no actual causative or mechanistic evidence.

Saturated fat and dietary cholesterol definitely do lead to higher all-cause mortality in all regards. This correlative and likely industry-funded evidence does not erode the mountain of evidence that animal products are bad for you.

How about you look at this meta-analysis of actually methodologically valid 395 metabolic ward experiments that conclusively states that saturated fat and cholesterol raise serum cholesterol?

HDL raising properties of dairy/eggs do not matter.

HDL raising medication increased all-cause mortality and worsened cardiovascular outcomes.

Plasma HDL cholesterol does not reduce risk of myocardial infarction.

The ideal range for LDL cholesterol where no atherosclerosis can occur is only found in vegans.

Which means even if a small amount of animal product is consumed, it is still terrible for your health.

Large LDL raise cardiovascular disease risk by 44%, small LDL by 63%.

Regardless of size, LDL particles are atherogenic.

Consumption of saturated fats leads to atherogenesis.

Total cholesterol is clearly increased by dietary cholesterol.

Heart disease is clearly linked to high cholesterol levels.

Cholesterol crystals activate NLRP3 inflammasomes, leading to atherogenesis.

Most children by age ten have signs of atherosclerosis in their arteries. We are clearly not supposed to consume animal products for optimal health if atherosclerosis begins at such a young age due to their consumption.

Vegans are the only studied population with non-atherogenic LDL cholesterol levels.

I'd also like to mention that this study was published by the American Society for Nutrition, an organisation that is beholden to big dairy. So, no surprise that they'd fish out invalid studies to fool people.

(My previous comment was removed, but I'm now able to post it again.)

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Animals do not have the same rights as humans.

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2 points · 6 days ago

Rights are something arbitrary we grant based upon current laws. You are appealing to law, which is a stupid moral system; because appeals to law can be used to justify slavery and the holocaust.

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[LFM] Looking for players for a daily 3.5e Faerun campaign. UTC

Note: I am able to DM daily, but daily play is not obligatory. One must participate at least every 3 days.

Discord link: https://discord.gg/e9nK6H

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Ok thats cool but the link has expired

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Original Poster1 point · 7 days ago

Sorry. Set it to never expire. Must not be working.

Here: https://discord.gg/RQYaRGS

What kind of story, how many players, what level, and thing special about the campaign

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Original Poster1 point · 7 days ago

Sure. I'd be willing to elaborate on all of that in the Discord.

2 points · 7 days ago

I completely disagree with your opinion but you are entitled to it. You have the right to complain, just stop doing it in Morrissey/Smiths forums. How about all of you guys start your own forum where you can complain and hate on him and all agree on it. People who are still fans don't want to read about why you don't like him anymore. It is not interesting in the slightest and like I said before demonstrates narcissistic tendencies. You are entitled to hate on Morrissey just do it somewhere else.

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I completely disagree with your opinion but you are entitled to it. You have the right to complain, just stop doing it in Morrissey/Smiths forums.

I'm not complaining because I hate him, I'm complaining because I still like what he used to be and so desperately want it to return. If people who dislike Morrissey's current form all left, most that remain on Morrissey solo are alt-right nazis.

2 points · 7 days ago

So you are saving the world by posting how bad this version of Morrissey is. Good for you. Thank God you and your like are there to keep the forums safe. And fuck you for calling Morrissey fans nazis. Do you realize that people can appreciate someone as a musician and totally separate that from politics?

This is so tedious. Listen to the song posted by OP.

You hiss and groan And you constantly moan But you don't ever go away And that's because all you need is me.

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So you are saving the world by posting how bad this version of Morrissey is. Good for you. Thank God you and your like are there to keep the forums safe.

Strawman

And fuck you for calling Morrissey fans nazis. Do you realize that people can appreciate someone as a musician and totally separate that from politics?

Another strawman. I said that the remainder of Morrissey fans on the forum are Nazis, not that you need to be a Nazi to be a Morrissey fan.

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3 points · 7 days ago

I used to live in Queensland where cane toads run amok. There's absolutely zero guarantee that we're capable of containing any widespread ecological disaster.

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-5 points · 7 days ago · edited 7 days ago

If we worked on it as a species, probably. I mean, if we're able to eradicate mosquitoes, we'd be able to contain anything else that emerges from their eradication. But the end result wouldn't look pretty.

Do you not realize that the extinction of a species would result in a major lack of food for other species (some fish, birds, and bats) and further competition and predation on other food sources? Did you not listen at all in your high school biology ecosystem unit?

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I am well aware. Which is why I said.

But the end result wouldn't look pretty.

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