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Original Poster1 point · 5 months ago

Wanna trade keys?

Are messages retained permanentlt, like in current PMs, and more common chat apps like FB, Discord, Slack, etc., or will they be more temporary like Steam or IRC, that only store until viewed and are gone?

This isn't true with regards to irc. There are many ways to store pms, like using a bouncer/znc.

The irc client irccloud does it all for you.

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These are all third party solutions. Nothing is guaranteed to be temporary, but the IRC protocol at its core is solely concerned with getting the message across, not what happens with it afterwards.

The power of irc is that you can access it through hundreds of different clients and configure it how you like. IRC is capable of saving messages, is my point.

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I guess I'm conflating clients with protocols. Most of these companies wrap up their chat in a proprietary client and don't really give you the freedom that IRC has with what happens with your conversations. Its very easy to run a bouncer for IRC but since it often is an extra step outside the default I think of more transient chat platforms as 'IRC-like' in a way that might be disingenuous to the protocol as it is used today.

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This is extremely disappointing to hear from a company once considered at the vanguard of a free internet and advocates for a healthy future for software. There are plenty of alternative procedures you could have chosen, but you have decided to take the most selfish path.

This book captures so many little things that nothing else catches. It's more than a feel-good, it catches that feeling in your gut that a loved one can stir up.

I am appreciative and confused by this gesture.

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I really would like to thank you for reconsidering. It's reassuring to see that the community stood strongly for this feature and to see the admins listen.

Frankly, this is an atrocious decision. I was okay with fumble after fumble your team has issued for most of the last decade. Your team has slowly but surely turned every new feature into a bland bloggish ripoff and I held my tongue knowing that anything I don't like I can fix for myself in the end. This is a joke, excuse me for not laughing.

Removing CSS for some stupid banner image and color scheme will suck the soul out of your website. I hope you're real proud of your direction because someone has to be.

Thanks again powerlanguage, you're the best.


I only have five subreddits using Mannomail and it's already a really, really frustrating experience to constantly have to reset the check marks in the sidebar every time I open up modmail in a new tab. Sometimes it happens in the same session of checking modmail! More than enough times I want to keep a modmail thread open so I click the return button as a new tab, only to find that the new tab has reset everything I was doing.

Alternatively/additionally, it would also be really useful if we could have shortlinks to single-subreddit modmail like /r/modmailbeta/about/message/inbox/ does for the old system. That alone might clear up the majority of the show/hide issues I, and I'm certain others, have had with the beta.


Thank you for the detailed report, I've filed a ticket for this bug.

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When you fix this bug, can you have it just not erase the modmail that's out of sight at all, rather than only fix the fact that it messes up deleting modmails in sight after enough scrolling?

It would be hypocritical of me to voice concern over this new batch of filters and not the old batch, but if we will expect additional filters every two weeks and eventually a continuous filtering process once the system is automated, I do have one important question which has not been addressed yet:

How do subreddits get taken off the filter? Is there a decay to the 'level' of desire to hide a subreddit when users filter it?

For those who don't believe /r/popular is more than a placeholder and is intended to last for, say, ten years, let's assume so for a moment. Let's say a filtered subreddit 'cleans up its act,' whatever that means, and becomes a worthwhile community to browse again in the eyes of the average user. Does it ever get off the filter list? It isn't like the users who filtered it will ever see that it's improved and take it off their filter...they explicitly hid the sub.

Is it dependent on how many new users go out of their way to filter a sub? How is that processed? How do we prevent a cycle of:

  1. subreddit filtered heavily
  2. subreddit removed from /r/popular
  3. subreddit loses attention of the many users who don't browse /r/all or is drowned out by the subreddits who get the boost of views from /r/popular
  4. subreddit doesn't get filtered much by new users anymore, gets unfiltered

Or is that cycle supposed to be considered healthy? In this cycle there is no evidence that the subreddit community or mod team has made any efforts to change it for the better, so I personally wouldn't agree with that assessment.

VX was a fledgling industry and many of its founders suffered under the Reich. I don't know much about state VX development by the Axis powers, unfortunately. That said, ask yourself how many displaced German and Austrian VXers after the war were refugees...and how many weren't.

We know a lot more about Russian VX than it seems. It is true that many of the state projects are considered 'lost' to the industry but you should recall how closely US-Soviet-Sweden VX braided together. In the VX Race there is a peculiar tale of rebellion, I'm certain you've heard of it, that Koalitsiya leaked US and USSR developments to one another under the threat of the regime in the name of a pure and open truth...if you haven't read The Iron Drum it's incredibly informative and gripping to boot.

The point I'm getting at is that while many specific Russian projects are still wonders of engineering, a lot of credit in VX development in the US goes to the USSR, and vice versa! The VX Race was much closer than either side wishes to admit, because so many theories we take for granted today are essentially collaborative works of equal parts genius and espionage. In the post-Soviet era you've seen the accreditation of numerous Russian visionaries in efforts to recognize a lost industry.

Translation troubles are overblown in my opinion. What with all the doc rot the US suffered in the 70s' and 80s' commercialization boom, we're just as bad as they were. Plus grey ops VX work just casually leaking into applied processes in the bigger firms...all I mean to say is Soviet data loss is nothing new or special to the industry. A the real big issue right now is module loss: Soviet modules are all special in their own right, and while a number of them probably don't fit OSHA or VXRR today they're incredibly interesting for study in how they push the limits of material sciences, like the rVoyun 9-100. That baby is a marvel of capacitance, glows blue and heats your house in the dead of winter of course, but what a design! There used to be a whole warehouse of V9s, and when the curtain dropped they were scattered to the winds. Only in 2007 with Dreman's essay did anybody stop and notice: all the V9s are gone, burned themselves out, and nobody knows where to find another. Lost! And it's happening for modules across the board, unarchived because there's no profit in learning from something 'dangerous,' what a joke.

If you'll allow me to indulge in a little pet theory, you remember how flexicite suddenly dropped in price in 2003? I always figured NATO/SWE groups had developed alternate detection forms (cloud/stream signatures perhaps) for years and propped up the flexicite as 'incentive for Western efforts' when really they wanted the Soviets to feel comfortable with an inferior radar avoidance. When the jig was up, state flexicite wasn't worth a fraction of its old price, but we've had it propped up as top-of-the-line so that private firms can gobble up the excess and earn back some of that dumped revenue. I never corroborated this theory with any of my friends in direct MILVX work or Boeing though, it's just wild speculation ;)

Moderator of r/news, speaking officiallyScore hidden · 1 year ago · Stickied comment · edited 1 year ago

EDIT: Looks like the situation is rather stabilized. If anything comes up past this point, it will likely warrant a new thread.

Credit to /u/BlatantConservative here, /u/ImPinkSnail for the live thread, and /u/Hazardous-Drunk for the original thread and the subreddit, as non-mod comments cannot be stickied.

Additional news streams:

Additional primary sources (though not the best way to parse the situation):

Please reply to this message or PM me if there is additional information or information streams worth putting up here.


Hi all! Hope your new year is going well. I was suggested by an admin to repost my issue with the beta, also with a little less acerbic phrasing (in partial jest, I swear!):

When scrolling down, say, the archive section of modmail, the text that scrolls off the screen is completely offloaded, meaning that, for example, if I am looking for maybe a modmail sent by a user two weeks ago I can't simply scroll down two weeks and CTRL-F their username. Instead, I have to carefully comb through each message to try and catch the name. This is really bad when you have subreddits which get dozens of messages a day at times.

I know search is coming eventually, but even with search this is simply a bad bug that really shouldn't be there.


10.0k points · 1 year agoGilded6

Alexis, although your words are kind, I believe the best way YOU can help reddit cope with this kind of issues is to improve the modding staff/etiquette/regulation in the site.

Places like /r/worldnews, /r/news, /r/the_donald and other subreddits have grown into cesspools of terrible comments and lots of hatred.

PLEASE do something to improve this.

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/r/news mod here. The default subreddits are very large and very active, especially ours. We are diligent when it comes to cracking down on the sort of comments that make the subreddit a cesspool as you suggest, but even as we grow our mod team to scale with the community it is simply not feasible for us to catch every racist, insulting, inflammatory, or false comment that one of our millions of users makes. We encourage you to report these comments and help us catch anything that violates the subreddit rules.

I read it a long time ago, so my memory on it is hazy. My strongest recollection of the story is that "this is an incredibly Scott McCloud-esque book," like, it isn't that I could see where the story was going (not at all!), but as it unraveled I remember thinking "of course Scott would make it this way!" Though not in a literal sense, I think in that regard the comic can subtly be taken as a portrait of the artist.

The book didn't jive with me 100%, just out of personal preference. Scott is someone who I also disagree with on a lot of points when it comes to comics but I have an absolute respect for the man and the principles to which he holds his art. I don't love the Sculptor, but in the same way I really do respect it.


Found the beta though I didn't a lucky draw on it. I'm actually surprisingly content with the new design, though there are two major issues I have with it and multiple minor ones.

Great things:

I'm not going to make a bullet list for this one. I just want to say that I was prepared to be disappointed in the design and found myself very pleasantly surprised. I think this is a work of care and it certainly shows. I'm very much a fan of the compact feeling that the frontpage now provides and I think many of the header changes are certainly steps in the right direction.

The issues (in generally descending order):

  • ALL THE COLOR IS GONE. It burns my eyes, for one thing, but more importantly it has sucked the soul out of the design (for lack of a less offensive way to describe it). There is very little that makes me connect with the fact that the page is a 'reddit' page, above all else. Reddit is defined by the periwinkle palette with the brief orangered highlights, and its alien icon. Making the 'submit' buttons pop out was a good choice but besides them the only eye-catching thing on the page is now the gold meter, the biggest splash of color on the page as well as the biggest snoo.
  • The width is something I see catching on in a lot of places but I personally really don't like it and I think it takes away from the usability of the site. I don't actually mind the margins or the sidebar not being attached to the side of the page as much as other people but I think the margins should really be smaller.
  • Posts darken on hover. I've seen countless subreddit stylesheets do this. It has never been good. It will never be good.
  • PLEASE DO NOT DO THE HOVER THING WITH COMMENT BUTTONS. This is by far the worst design decision any user-made stylesheet has employed, and I cannot emphasize with greater passion that this is objectively a horrible thing to do. All of those buttons are useful and important and for God's sake don't mods beg enough for their users to use the report button more? My mouse isn't going to sit in on place forever. Moving it along the screen makes the whole thing flash like crazy. It's a bad design choice.
  • I don't think the ad should be moved down to below the trending subs, it should remain above it. The 'promoted post' in blue is evident enough but it feels like its trying to weasel its way into being just another post on my frontpage.
  • Flair is pretty much invisible right now. I really hate how reddit treats flair on its frontpage already, concatenating it and forcing it to be on the far end of the title, but this takes it a step further by making it nearly unreadable.
  • The multireddits bar is also nearly invisible, and, for all the nuisance I hear it brought as a feature, I don't know how much I like the hover open/close mechanic compared to the click. That might however be a responsiveness issue, though, and maybe giving it the same delay closing the bar as you gave opening it would fix that.
  • No alt text on settings or logout buttons.
  • Curved thumbnail corners. Just no.
  • The minimize button for parent comments seems way too eye-catching and the teal doesn't fit in with reddit's general color theme.
  • The multireddits bar says "You Front Page."
  • Clicking on the word 'multireddits' makes it disappear.
  • The contents of the multireddits bar are not fixed, so scrolling down the page keeps the hover bar on the side but on hovering it just shows nothing, because all the text has been scrolled out of frame.
  • Mod tools haven't been subject to any design changes. I know that its a very minor detail but there's probably something to be said about the gesture.

There are some clear issues with comments and sidebars, like the subreddit/subscription information doing strange things with positioning, that seem more like they're unfinished than anything, so I'll leave those be for now.


  • Honestly, I came to realize that without RES the shortlink banner that just has all my subscriptions is completely useless. Make the 'My Subreddits' button do the job the header does and then move the hot/new/top/etc. and the search bar into the actual header. Alternatively, employ multireddits actively into a user's frontpage by having it legitimately serve as an alternative frontpage they can easily switch to and from. There's seriously a trove of untapped potential in that feature that I'm still disappointed doesn't get its fair chance.
  • Make the hot/new/top/etc. buttons have a little padding or something. It feels kinda tough for me to click on them. Same for the multireddit buttons.
  • While a lot of things were made more dynamic, the 'submit' buttons were turned really static. I'd add a subtle hover effect for them.
  • Bring back color to the front page.
  • Don't just bring color in, but lose the whitespace. I really appreciate how much has been shed vertically, I can't say it enough. Horizontal comes next.

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  • RES Version: 5.0.3
  • Browser: Chrome
  • Browser Version: 54
  • Cookies Enabled: true
  • Reddit beta: false
9 points · 1 year ago

Thanks for the feedback, but keep in mind that this is not a beta feature, this is a really early test. The design has actually iterated a couple of times since we started testing this version!

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Original Poster3 points · 1 year ago

Good to know, and great work! I did notice that, for example, an earlier iteration someone ported to their own subreddit did not have the hover on comment buttons as early as a few days ago. If I knew the details though I probably wouldn't have treated each point like it was already finalized for a beta. Thanks for all you do :)

This isnt a beta thing. This would be an a/b testing thing reddit is doing.

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Original Poster5 points · 1 year ago

I've posted A/B feedback here before. There's no other subreddit for it.

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Reddit admin, speaking officiallyOriginal Poster2.0k points · 1 year ago

admins (employees) can't do this in general. It's because I had access to everything as an engineer, which we are limiting going forward.

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Alternatively: can you make a subreddit where every user can edit every other user's post? Then we can all powertrip.

/u/powerlanguage pls

439 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

April Fools' Day 2010 did something like this (t'was before my time). Users thought they were given the power to ban each other and edit titles: /r/

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I'll give you credit for that anyways.

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Who in their right mind thought it would make sense to offload text that isn't on the screen? If I want to find a three day old post by a user, I can't load three days of modmail and CTRL-F for their username, because...why?? I have to scroll down message by message and scan the entire goddamned page for their post?

I'm livid. Why is this even a feature? It literally took more effort for you to go out of your way to render the platform unusable than it would have to just have us load a lot of text. Half these archived posts are three lines of text, you aren't suffocating our browser with too much modmail. Heck, it would still be in memory for us, as far as I can tell because the load time for that text is nearly instantaneous unlike any other modmail page, so it's just utterly pointless for any reason that I can rationalize in your defense.

And there's no search button, which I would have been okay with if you let me just use the very basic features a browser provides for text on a page.

I don't think I've ever experienced a stupider design choice. The archives are literally useless to me.

OK, I'm calm now ;) Is there some reasoning for this, or is it a bug? Is this a glitch on my end? I'd love to hear some explanation.

Original Poster1 point · 1 year ago

Oh, it gets even better! Scrolling doesn't sync with the freaking offloading so if I scroll far enough the text that loads gets higher and higher up the page until it disappears!

Original Poster1 point · 1 year ago

Also: middle-clicking on the permalink in any list of modmails doesn't open the mail in a new tab. The design is going out of its way to gut the fundamental functionality of plaintext. I just don't understand.

7 points · 1 year ago

Emacsulator Pro 4 Lyfe, Vimulator sucks.

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No need to emacsulate OP for their preferences ;)

I have noticed more mods giving a comment of blessing to the winning article. The one that won't be deleted as a duplicate. Is this a thing now or did I not notice before as it was hidden in the rest of the comments?

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I think it's something akin to a reddit in-joke at this point. Major events flood the /new queue with duplicate posts but only one of them is going to be allowed to stay up in most subreddits. I'm not entirely sure when that sort of thing started!

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I hope it didn't really come off that way. I was furious with the guy through and through and lashed out at him and the subreddit in question. I may have come off as nicer later on but that was after I gathered my composure, had a moment to think. I realized that, whether or not his reputation is salvageable, he isn't wrong that there has to be a third option to just banning the sub or not...something that ultimately has nothing to do with his screwup, which was shameful and catastrophic.

EDIT: Also honestly posting in my user history is kinda a jerk move, feel free to PM me if you have something to say that I should hear.

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Hey everyone, I hope the folks in the US have had a grand old time at the booths yesterday. Right now some of the higher-ups at my department are reeling over the results, and not just because of their politics—with the feds painted red, the future of our field has been upended from right under our nose (not that it's entirely a bad thing!). Many of you are likely familiar with Dr. Balanchuk, who is a popular consult on VX for journalists, companies, and policy analysts, and is an esteemed colleague of mine. We've discussed at length the future of the field in the context of the elections, and I want to share with you the insights he's provided me regarding what we should expect from our legislators in the coming term.

I'll start off with this: this is a very speculative write-up. Nobody was really preparing for such an intense turnover until the last days of the campaigns and much of the policies we've expected to come from either side of the party line would have followed the present trajectories VX has headed in for the last decade.

Yandema and NA002-K ion fielding, Shenzen distributors, and the Hong Kong Group

What may be the clearest consequence of this election is our future relationship with China. Unless you're a diehard or run a machinist's shop, your rig is significantly composed of Chinese imports even if you bought your modules locally. It's very likely that your core VX has a SW3 coolant array or blueform insulation, runs on HKG libraries, and all the cobalt? Where do you think that came from? The point is, we're going to see uncertainty in trade with China, and the most basic outcome is that Basic prices are going to rise. This is going to suck for tinkerers but if rig companies (IBM, etc.) seize the opportunity to meet the demand, it may just be a short-term issue. However...

Ion fielding is likely out of the picture for anything on a budget. Saltspinning is an entirely Chinese branch right now and negotiations on lifting the veil on proprietary specs hasn't given us a single poorly translated sentence in six years. If shipping centrifuges the size of small cars was hard enough already, the proposed tariffs and regulations are going to kill the market. What does this mean? First off, it means static-neutral VX is over, which means cabling replaces rads and rubbering is back. We've essentially unsolved the heating crisis here so insulation is once more a pillar of American VX architecture. But wait...SW3 and blueform, that's gonna go up in price like I already said, right? Yep. That means we're back to tank-and-piping and, and I can't believe I'm saying this, tea tree oil. Before you string me up, I mean solely as a cooling solution, not for all the other reasons that, let me remind you, came after.

Pick your jaw up from the floor. Thank you.

Furthermore, we're going to see a deep rift in VX development and probably a good portion of what used to be openVX will go dark. We can't ignore the political and rhetorical ramifications that will affect dealings with Shenzen and Hong Kong. Balanchuk fully expects US/China development to go the way of the Cold War in his book, which means a significant portion of the intellect in the field will simply no longer reach out to us, nor us to them. We're not only set back decades of thermo research, but we will no longer enjoy the academic and economic rennaissance that floated us through the recession.

Research, VXINT, DARPA, etc.

The blackbox of federal grant procurement is an enigma not even VX can map to N let alone run a markup (yet!). Dr. Balanchuk can't say whether VX will be more or less of a focus given the direction technology seems to be heading. However, speculation is that with the "rebuilding" of the military we're going to see a surge in available funds for low-level development and fabrication. You're also going to see VX take its foothold in parallel with quantum computing and machine learning as a non-bit pillar to the field. Fuzzy dynamics, chem-polling, and bit splicing has been 'in' and it's just going to keep getting inner. Whatever political affiliations you hold, the future is bright for VX research.

Environmental Blocks

Please note most of this depends entirely on the new administration's commitment to upholding the Paris Agreement.

As you know, we've seen a clamping down on VX emissions, increased pressure to report our inerts, and a greening of plants and module production. It's unlikely that the regulatory load will be lightened as it would need to be explicitly legislated, but we may find that the environmental concerns of VX will no longer be a primary focus when the field is discussed on the Senate floor. Corporate regulations will likely loosen up but for individuals things won't change too much. And as an aside, since I think it really needs to be said, please take the initiative and submit an emission log to your local state house, university, or even a listed post office—communicating your specs will make accident management much easier without the suits breathing down your neck, even if you get put on 'the list.'

Let's assume the worst case for the environment. What are we going to see from this?

  • The return of the dipolar core.
  • Less pressure to fuse-case.
  • Venting the room rather than venting the rig. You should get a gas mask now if you've only VXed in the last four years.
  • Hypervolt dampening with dusters is coming back, the rod arrays are super expensive even though it reduces the footprint threefold.
  • Research will open into Echidna algorithms and Z-space.
  • You will likely be able to use Soviet modules again, arguably the biggest loss with the regulations since they suffered from...we can call it a "VX first, VXer second" philosophy of design.
  • High-end spinners, bleachers, and industrial quantities of Xi fluids, not so much because they themselves were hazardous, but they certainly were after they burst.
  • "The Fenkel trick" probably will never come back but your supervisor is almost definitely going to bring it up and for the love of God shoot it down at the first opportunity.

Economically this will likely give VX-centric tech more room to grow, which also means more lucrative positions at least on the corporate end, though academic rigs will likely not change very much. You probably can't just turn on your lab's legacy rig on January 21, but keep your ear to the ground for any developments here.

We're also possibly going to see an influx of European industry moving in to take advantage of research opportunities where the EU's approval board might frown (Z-space in particular), except from Stockholm and other such major players.

Safety Regulation

Just an aside since it fits in with deregulating and corporate interests, while we've fought hard to have the safety concerns of those working in VX recognized and prevented/insured, that fight is going to be much, much harder now. There's a lot of pressure for companies however to make safety a priority so I doubt the situation won't stop improving, but the glimmer of legislative support on that end has dimmed.

Copyright, VX and net neutrality, "The VX Scare"

Copyright reforms will likely remain in limbo for the time being, much to the disappointment of hopefuls. This specifically means that we're stuck with the same bloated corp code from the '80s and '90s that some companies (*cough* ATI...) refuse to make open. In fact, we're probably going to see some of those patent vultures raise prices on their goods now that their doomsday clock has been rolled back five minutes. If you use VX personally rather than work on a company or univerity rig, and you can't get a million dollar loan from your parents, odds are your rig is less than legal in that regard. I (can't speak for Balanchuk here, he didn't talk about it with me) doubt enforcement is going to clamp down on that sort of thing so you shouldn't worry but it certainly isn't going to be easier to abide by the constrictive patent codex.

Congress's aversion towards VX and complete ignorance towards the field and its capabilities to even a grade school level is something that nobody expects to go away except with time. A more individualistic and unregulated philosophy seemingly benefits the field but we can't be sure which direction it will go. To be fair, while it was clear where the Democrats were leading VX it was therefore clear that it was going in a bad direction, so you could say that this is a plus!

As an aside, the future of net neutrality should be on the minds of any VXer who uses TCP piggybacking libraries. Because non-bit is hard to project wirelessly VX is up there as far as 'Big Data' goes so its important to keep an eye out for anything that gives ISPs an opportunity to throttle.

There are some things that are clearly going to be worse off and some things that are clearly going to improve, so I hope that's as neutral and pragmatic an analysis as I could provide! I'd like to say I keep a finger on the pulse of policy but honestly most credit for any actual projection would go to Dr. Balanchuk, and you can probably find similar reasoning for all of this in his recent book. If you disagree with any of this, feel free to let me know but I hope we can keep things civil.

9 points · 1 year ago

Dear mods, how the hell are you doing the gradient for Nebraska?

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Moderator of r/news, speaking officially3 points · 1 year ago

The CSS is a huge mess, but I walk away from this election with a bit of pride for being able to wing the styling on a whim. Note that the gradient for Nebraska looks great in Firefox but in Chrome the gradient tiles across each cell and I'm not sure how to deal with that. The dummy element is also something I can't explain, but apparently the first element in my styling just doesn't acknowledge the CSS.

.stickied .expando .md table tbody tr:nth-child(0), /*dummy element*/
.stickied .expando .md table tbody tr:nth-child(28) {
  background: #ffb2b2; /* For browsers that do not support gradients */
  background: -webkit-linear-gradient(left, #ffb2b2 , #ffb2b2 , #c2c2ff); /* For Safari 5.1 to 6.0 */
  background: -o-linear-gradient(right, #ffb2b2 , #ffb2b2 , #c2c2ff); /* For Opera 11.1 to 12.0 */
  background: -moz-linear-gradient(right, #ffb2b2 , #ffb2b2 , #c2c2ff); /* For Firefox 3.6 to 15 */
  background: linear-gradient(to right, #ffb2b2 , #ffb2b2 , #c2c2ff); /* Standard syntax (must be last) */

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