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15 points · 4 days ago

So I guess they aren't trying to signal anything then, since it isn't a virtue. Can't have it both ways.

13 points · 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago

I used to be a Grey-person, but I've mostly grown out of my naivety and accepted both as sensei-level smart guys.

Think of it like this: If you find yourself thinking "Hey, I've thought about this too." or "I really liked that formulation or turn of phrase", then imagine that those things are so simple and easy for them that they do them in casual conversation, and not just in their thoughts.

It is way harder to commit something to speech in a coherent way than to just think about it.

Just imagine what kinds of things they think of but never talk about, the same way you do.

I voted Brady to help even out the expected Grey-bias of reddit.

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28 points · 6 days ago

I voted Brady to help even out the expected Grey-bias of reddit.

That seems like a Brady thing to do and something gray would argue against.

-6 points · 7 days ago

Men hallå där, vet du inte att kön är en social konstruktion?????? Det fick jag lära mig i högskolan på en utbildning som kostade det svenska staten upp mot en miljon kronor. Pengar väl spenderade.

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5 points · 6 days ago

Kön = sex

Könsidentitet = gender identity

Om du ska måla upp en importerad halmgubbe så får du se till att översätta ordentligt.

2 points · 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago

Nej det är ingen halmgubbe jag vet vad de försökte lära ut och det var att kön var en social konstruktion. Inte för att jag håller med om att könsidentitet enbart är en social konstruktion det i heller.

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1 point · 6 days ago

Vad är det för utbildning du gick då? Har du någon kurshemsida du kan hänvisa mig till? Det låter konstigt att man skulle göra det påståendet utan att göra skillnad på kön och könsidentitet.

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1 point · 9 days ago

Where did you get the idea that they were equating Trump and Hitler? The point is that people can support obviously flawed leaders under the right circumstances, not that said leaders are equally flawed.

Så drygt 60% av samhället är utsatta?

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7 points · 13 days ago

HBTQ personer är utsatta =/= alla HBTQ personer är alltid utsatta.

-20 points · 13 days ago · edited 13 days ago

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Varför försöker du försvara grupper som aldrig ville bli försvarade? I de civiliserade länderna inom västvärden så finns det ingen specifik grupp som är "utsatt" generellt sett, alla har lika rättigheter och kan icke bli diskriminerade på något sätt. Unika fall sker ju, men oftast så går allt rätt till. Sluta upp med det där.

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3 points · 13 days ago

I de civiliserade länderna inom västvärden så finns det ingen specifik grupp som är "utsatt" generellt sett, alla har lika rättigheter och kan icke bli diskriminerade på något sätt.

Menar du då alltså att diskriminering bra kan ske då lagar och regler uttalat särbehandlar olika specifika grupper?

Om du tar en titt på Diskrimineringsombudsmannens förklaring på vad som är diskriminering har de ett gäng exempel. Det ser inte ut som din definition stämmer överens med definitionen man använder i svensk lagstiftning.

-3 points · 18 days ago

Vi är olika så varför är det så konstigt egentligen? Tycker det känns så jävla märkligt att man ska behandla hela grupper likadant beroende på hudfärg, sexualitet eller kön istället för att gå in och anpassa på individnivå. Vi är trots allt de facto unika individer i slutändan, även om vänstern menar att det är alt right-retorik. Att dra alla över en kam är bokstavligt talat vad exempelvis rasism är, men vänstern har inte nog med självinsikt för att se ironin i sina egna åsikter.

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30 points · 18 days ago

Vi är trots allt de facto unika individer i slutändan, även om vänstern menar att det är alt right-retorik. Att dra alla över en kam är bokstavligt talat vad exempelvis rasism är, men vänstern har inte nog med självinsikt för att se ironin i sina egna åsikter.

Jag håller helt med dig i frågan om individer, med det du gör här är att måla upp en halmgubbe och låta den representera hela vänstern.

"Dra inte alla över en kam, det är exakt vad dom brukar göra."

Att du sen kallar hela grejen ironiskt är vad man skulle kunna kalla ironiskt.

Jag är vänster. Jag vill att vi undviker rasism, sexism och andra typer av diskriminering just precis så att man skall kunna se och behandla sina medmänniskor som individer, snarare än tillhörande nån tänkt grupp. Om du verkligen vill motverka den rasism du ser bland ett segment av vänstern så bör du inte attackera de inom vänstern som håller med dig.

-74 points · 21 days ago

Guidelines

I. Posts should target a Swedish audience. E.G news from Swedish media, and international media concerning Sweden.

Att en svensk spelar TV-spel är inte nyheter, och är inte relevant för den här subben. Inte ens när zlatan gör det. Gå och posta det här borta på r/fortnite istället.

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12 points · 21 days ago

Hur menar du att ett klipp med en snubbe som snackar svenska inte är ämnat för en svensk publik?

-10 points · 21 days ago

Hade du haft samma attityd om det var någon annan som postade sina personliga tvspelsklipp på sweddit? Jag kan be min lillebror klippa ihop ett killmontage från CS och lägga upp om du vill.

Han är ju också svensk, så om han säger något på svenska i ett av klippen, typ. "Vilken jävla smäll!" när bomben sprängs, så är det för en svensk publik ju.

Finns säkert många egenföretagare här på sweddit som skulle kunna lägga upp reklam för sina företag. De är ju riktade mot en svensk publik, så det lär inte vara några problem, eller hur?

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8 points · 21 days ago

Nu bytte vi ämne ser jag. Jag hävdar att klippet inte bryter mot riktlinjerna, specifikt den du citerar ovan. Håller du inte med så kan du ju meddela modsen och se vad de tycker.

Om du vill lägga upp ett klipp på nån snubbe som spelar spel så får du göra det. Jag hade troligtvis inte tittat på det eller uppröstat. I detta fallet tittade jag på klippet och tyckte det var underhållande, framförallt för att det var roligt att se Zlatan spela spel.

Du får väl fråga modsen om ifall du kan reklamera ditt företag också. Jag vet inte vad de tycker om sånt.

Sittyness of a country is a spectrum. On the good end there are countries where educated labour is the main source of revenue. That's exactly what makes good countries good. Not some "specialness" of any particular culture - just luck with a democratic system that puts natural human greed to good use. On the other end are countries where there's only very few people who are actually involved in producing the revenue. Oil is one of the worst resources when it comes to contribution to this kind of shit.

Here's the video that finally "clicked" all pieces of knowledge I had before into a single clear picture

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2 points · 21 days ago

That video is insanely good.

Idiots no matter their leaning will eat up media that conforms to their world view/ "proves" their political beliefs to be correct

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10 points · 22 days ago

Idiots People

All of us are prone to those same cognitive biases. It's a matter of educating people in how to spot them in themselves and how to avoid them. Thinking that you are above them is a great way of letting them creep right back in.

For anyone interested I highly recommend a podcast on the psychology of this topic called "you are not so smart".

Having some level or critical thought about who has written the article and reading a wide range of sources from a number of political backgrounds is a good way to combat this. I would say having the ability to critically think about things is a basic part of intelligence, not having it is a sign of a lack of intelligence in my mind

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We all have the ability. The hard part is knowing about how our brains work against us and in what ways confirmation bias manifests itself. Nobody can know that without a decent grasp on the psychology involved, no matter how smart you are.

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It's already not easy to get a gun. Legally. If the powers that be would actually enforce the laws we already have it would make things safer. If the ATF was more concerned about gun smuggling than the length of barrels there'd be less guns on the streets.

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Sure, but you didn't answer my question. I'm asking about the government barring felons from aquiring new ones after their sentence is served. Is that a constitutional infringement?

When their civil rights have been stripped, no it's not an infringement.

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So what determines when the civil rights can be stripped? Forgive my ignorance but is that outlined in the Constitution?

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30 points · 21 days ago

I'm not easily unsettled by this type of thing in fiction, but that scene is just so incredibly disturbing on a very profound level.

3.7k points · 21 days ago

Typical. I’ve spent the last three years living as a hermit behind a computer screen, and the moment I leave the house to get some raw date palm sap I stumble over a sick pig and get bitten by a bat.

FML

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257 points · 21 days ago

Did you at least turn back before you got to the raw date palm sap?

112 points · 21 days ago

We're behind greece??? brb, starting a metal band

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60 points · 21 days ago

You only need about 52 more bands it seems, but good luck finding that many Danish singers.

441 points · 22 days ago

Or you set the mining rig to turn on when the lights cycle off?

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But then you're only safe from narc raids at night.

...unless you switch the day/night cycles of the plants of course. Brilliant.

Here I am at, Camp Granada

Vad i helvete :o Brevet Från Kolonien har man ju hört hela livet och den känns så jävla svensk, att Vreeswijk bara kört en amerikansk låt genom google-translate hade jag inte gissat på 100år. Fortfarande en bra låt dock.

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26 points · 23 days ago

att Vreeswijk bara kört en amerikansk låt genom google-translate

Vreeswijks version är mycket grövre än den amerikanska. Den är ganska långt ifrån en direktöversättning. Det är heller inte en hemlighet att den är en svenskifiering av Camp Granada.

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15 points · 24 days ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html

It is a real story. Whether the above comment was correct I don't know.

-3 points · 24 days ago

Even within the context of the actual story, the deleted post at the top of this thread was still a false argument.

If the children who were stated to be 'lost' were with their respective parents or guardians, they wouldn't be lost. They'd be with their parents or guardians. They're entirely different classifications as far as a federal office is concerned.

A child in the care of their rightful care-taker is the exact opposite of 'lost' in terms of the legal definition of the word a spokesperson like the source quoted in the story would use.

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4 points · 24 days ago

I'm inclined to believe you. I only posted the article to point out that it's not just a random set of words by a bot, as the other user implied.

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Sure, go ahead and believe the entire Middle East is up to 2018 standards in governance.

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8 points · 25 days ago

The claim was about 1444 standards of government though.

36 points · 25 days ago

There are literally still tribal communities who don't answer to whichever government claims them as de jure vassals in the Middle East and Central Asia.

Actually there are plenty of tribal communities across the world who's governments haven't advanced past 1444 levels of governance.

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-10 points · 25 days ago

Sure but that's makes the original comment a bit misleading by making the claim about the middle east rather than the world, no? I doubt they'd make the same statement about Scandinavia and the Sami, or native americans.

-11 points · 27 days ago

No one denies climate change, it's whether humans have significant impact on climate. Fact is, weather has been changing long before humans came to be and will continue to do so after we're extinct.

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5 points · 27 days ago

No one denies climate change, it's whether humans have significant impact on climate.

Denying that humans have a significant impact on climate isn't compatible with scientific findings. It's as simple as that.

But a beautiful reply to a denier. I loved it, thank you.

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2 points · 1 month ago

Thank you for the kind words, it means a lot. I study environmental engineering and had a presentation about ice core data just the other day so I sort of had to respond. Deniers cam be pretty tiresome, but it's also good practice and I enjoy that aspect of it.

But what are your actual credentials for knowing about climate change? /s

Good informative post that is probably still too complex to be understood by deniers unfortunately. I’d love to see some of your published papers though, I’ve been wanting to learn more about how ice core samples are analyzed.

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2 points · 1 month ago

Oh, I'm just an engineering student, not an actual researcher. The presentation was an exercise in collaboration more than anything.

If you want to read the two articles we were presenting though, you can find the links here and here. The first one is more or less a summary of the second one.

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Sure that’s a thing there. But to us eating cockroaches is more comparable to drinking piss. And I’m sure you can cite some culture somewhere that consumed urine with no negative effects but hopefully you won’t because you get my point now. We didn’t grow up seeing cockroaches and piss as food but if those Muslims are from China they’ve definitely seen pork prepared as food.

A better comparison to a Muslim eating pork is a vegan eating pork. Pork is one of the most popularly consumed meats in the world and both vegans and Muslims sometimes cheat and eat pork and find it delicious. But they rarely if ever try to cheat with cockroaches... and there’s probably a reason for that

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-1 points · 1 month ago

Sure that’s a thing there. But to us eating cockroaches is more comparable to drinking piss. And I’m sure you can cite some culture somewhere that consumed urine with no negative effects but hopefully you won’t because you get my point now. We didn’t grow up seeing cockroaches and piss as food but if those Muslims are from China they’ve definitely seen pork prepared as food.

No I truly don't get your point. I'm not interested in eating cockroaches but I would absolutely prefer a cockroach over drinking urine. Muslims that don't eat pork doesn't see it as food any more than I see cockroaches as food.

A better comparison to a Muslim eating pork is a vegan eating pork. Pork is one of the most popularly consumed meats in the world and both vegans and Muslims sometimes cheat and eat pork and find it delicious. But they rarely if ever try to cheat with cockroaches... and there’s probably a reason for that.

The reason is that pork is a much, much more widespread food. If someone in a Chinese village where cockroaches were regularly consumed was a vegan you could make the same cade for them and cockroaches.

And I would absolutely consider forcing a vegan to eat pork (or cockroaches) against their will to be torture. Many vegans will agrue that eating an animal isn't any better than eating your own pet or a mentally challenged person. Forcing them to so so regardless must be an extremely painful experience.

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Please stop bringing up people who are used to seeing cockroaches eaten. The original comparison “how would you like being force fed cockroaches” was directed at a redditor in the comments above who I would bet a lot of money is not a fucking Chinese vegan living in a cockroach-eating village.

The point I'm trying to make is that the act of force feeding someone an item they consider to be disguisting is a from of psycological tourture, and that both scenarios are examples of that. Whether or not the disgusting item is considered food by the recipient is completely irrelevant to that point.

There are way more Muslims that see pork as a food to avoid, than there are people in the West who see cockroaches as a food at all. Your religious/ethical mandates are not the only things that determine if you see something as food or not. The culture of the land you grew up in plays a massive role. That is why forcing a Muslim to eat pork, even though it’s fucked up, is not as bad as forcing a westerner to eat cockroaches. If you genuinely still don’t understand this you are beyond help.

I'm not even saying that the two acts are exactly the same in every way. I'm saying that both are tourture. Whether you consider one more harmful than the other because you are more disgusted by cockroaches than you imagine the avarage chinese muslim is of pork is a matter of scale, not of kind. I don't think we will get further in this rather pointless discussion though, so if you still consider me helpless I guess I'll accept my fate.

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-23 points · 1 month ago

Biology decides it for other people

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12 points · 1 month ago

And what does it matter if people are happier by not agreeing to the terms presented by "biology"?

-17 points · 1 month ago

The problem is is that you cant disagree with biology. That's not how it works.

Also, why the quote marks around biology, even people who are transgender / bi / anything else agree that yes, you are born with a penis or a vagina, and that's what determines your gender

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7 points · 1 month ago

The problem is is that you cant disagree with biology. That's not how it works.

I can agree that biology dictated someone be born a certain way, and I can simultaneously agree that if that person has the means to change that, they should be free to do so. What your doing is akin to banning people from boarding airplanes because humans aren't biologically ment to fly.

Also, why the quote marks around biology, even people who are transgender / bi / anything else agree that yes, you are born with a penis or a vagina, and that's what determines your gender

No, they will agree that it determines your biological sex. I use quote marks because I think it's disingenuous to refer to a whole field of science as your source for a claim rather than actually finding the relevant research.

1 point · 1 month ago

It's kind of hard to share my entire world view in a few comments, but I'm completely there with you, we're in the most peaceful time ever. That doesn't detract away from where a society might be in decline from where it once was.
And you're right, I'm not sure about a youtuber per se providing lots of positive information about sweden, but positive information, on average, doesn't need focusing on, because the mainstream media outlets will pick up on it and report it, the same often doesn't go for negative news. (like what gets upvoted on reddit for example)

And maybe this is more of a personal thing, but I'm a lot more interested in where things are going wrong, than where they are going right, because those things tend to impact me more.

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That's a resonable view I think. What concerns me, as a Swede, about people like Angry Foreigner isn't that he focuses on the problems. You are entierly right about them being the interesting and important aspects to focus on. I'd also agree (and so would most Swedes) that our levels of immigration have presented us with many problems that need solving.

It's rather that people like Angry Foreigner present one view of what the solution to those problems are, while simultaneously missrepresenting the other side of the argument to be something it isn't. If people only hear about Swedish immigration policy from him, they will get a very skewed picture of what solutions are being pursued and what options there are. It's not about one side saying "There's a problem and we need to adress it" and the other claiming "It's all fine, don't worry!" but rather two (or more) sides with different solutions to that problem. In that light I might have used the word "negative" incorrectly before. Hs view is "negative" towards the solutions being persued.

Unfortunately, Youtube doesn't really provide a counterbalance to him from what I've seen in that regard. I'll grant you that I haven't spent an awfull lot of time watching Angry Foreigner's videos though, so maybe he is better at this than I give him credit for.

1 point · 1 month ago

It's a fair criticism to say that he gives one perspective. If some or any of the content of his that you have seen has come from a third party source, clipped, on facebook or whatever, I would posit to you that the only content of him that you have seen is propaganda (although that is a strong term).

This largely comes down to libertarian vs authoritarian. He's a libertarian and espouses those views, which I think is a good thing.
Things like;
political correctness (the suppression of speech)
gender equality (the want for equality of outcome)
multiculturalism (all cultures are completely equal)
and other tools are being used to dominate society with the foolishly optimistic idea that people aren't inherently bad or evil, it's the system that makes them that way, and if we can only fix the system, we can fix all the problems!
This will inevitably lead to failure, until we reach such a time in the future, where it's like Star Trek and we can literally materialise food into being from nothing.

You seem like a very reasonable person, and I'm glad we've been able to have this discussion, it's certainly not the norm.
I used to be very left wing until I actually started digesting political content and thinking what my real moral values are, and that lead me a lot more central to the point that identifying as conservative is a far better descriptor.
Why I left the Left
I kind of went a bit deep into this, but that's what you get for smoking some herb for the first time in a couple weeks.
Thanks for reading!

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This became longer than I was aiming for. Read at your own, high risk.

Things like;

political correctness (the suppression of speech)

gender equality (the want for equality of outcome)

multiculturalism (all cultures are completely equal)

This is sort of my point though. No resonable leftist would agree with your interpretation of those principles and framing the Swedish government's position as coming from these principles is increadibly misleading. It is a characterization of leftist ideas that seems prevelant among the online right but it's really just a huge strawman.

I don't mind that Angry Foreigner (or you, for that matter) has a different perspective than me. That's a good thing because it forces both sides, when we discuss these perspectives, to develop our own worldview and confront our inconsistencies. The danger is in allowing your own "side" to determine what the views of the other side is in online echo chambers.

Look at r/conservative. I'm a subscriber because I want to know what the American right, which is very far from me ideologically, thinks about current events. But half the content that reaches my front page is them shitting on "leftists" and "liberals" when the content is really just a meme about what they think about the left or at most some random commentator whom they uphold as the gospel of leftist thought. The comments are always taking whatever is presesnted and using it as an example of why "the left is [this and that]" Right now, the top post is about communism.

This happens on the left too. Here in Sweden, the political establishment tried to deal with the rising anti-immigration sentiment by trying to paint the movement as racist, xenophobic and what not. They used the worst example of SD supporters to prove their point, and SD was occasionally happy to oblige with things like Järnrörsskandalen. I think the worst of that type of rhetoric is over as of a couple of years back as people realized that it didn't work and that it was dishonest, but the damage was already done at that point.


How are we supposed to provide constructive critizism to each other if we don't bother giving each other the benifit of the doubt? I'll walk you through what I think about the above principles you outlined and hopefully provide you with a more charitable interpretation that might fit better into your current libertarian-ish ideological framework.

political correctness (the suppression of speech the encuragement of polite and socially aware speech)

I don't want the government to limit anyone's speech. I would like for you to behave nicely when encountering a black person and not make jokes like "Go back to the plantation, nigger. lol!" because I realize that it might hurt them. But that's just my preference. It's not the law, and it shouldn't be either. I would argue that it's not really a political position as much as a question of politeness. It's about knowing what's polite when considering that not everyone might have the same idea of politeness as you do. It's on the same level as teching your kid that it's bad to pick on the kid in class with glasses. That's about it.

I don't know where you are from, but that's about the extent of what PC means to most people in Sweden, and we still have people claiming that "PC culture has gone too far!" and the like. If you're American, I guess this might be more of an issue over there, but I again advice you to give people the benefit of the doubt. The Berkeley crowd seems larger than it is, I think. If unsure, ask them if they support the first amendment and go from there.

gender equality (the want for equality of outcome the want for meritocracy to it's fullest potential)

I want women who are capable of serving under the same requirements as men to be able to do so. If the ratio of men to women end up being 85/15 then so be it. But long term, I also want any cultural barriers that might make women not want to join the army even if they are capable to be removed, because they hinder the effectiveness of the army. If more and better women might be persuaded to join the army and replace less capable men by having more women as action heroes in movies, for instance, I think that's a good thing. I wouldn't want to legislate a ratio of women to men in movie roles, of course, because changing cultural norms is a lot more tricky than that. But I'm not going to shit on the new star wars movies because Daisy Ridley apperantly isn't strong enough to beat up bad guys.

multiculturalism (all cultures are completely equal all cultures should be allowed within my society as long as they follow the law)

Sharia law isn't compatible with Swedish law. However, if you want to use a Sharia court to determin a question of inheritance or whatever else that might be within the bounds of Swedish law, you are free to do so. That court won't have the legal standing of an actual court, and any contract produced would only be valid if upheld by a real court, but if you want to call yourself a court I don't mind.

When discussing immigration, things like the difference between a Swedish perspective on sexual norms and consent versus that of an Algeri perspective might come up. I absolutely agree that any government policy that aims to integrate thousands of young Algerian males must take such differences into account, and develop a policy accordingly. It might be that Swedish law relies to heavily on people espousing the Swedish mindset, and if so we might have to develop policies of crime prevention that involves determining cultural backround etc.

This became a lot longer than I imagined but I hope you got something out of it. I also echo your sentiment of it being increadibly hard to express the entierty of ones views in a forum like this, and my three responses to the principles you outlined should be read in light of that fact. Either way, if you made it this far I thank you for your attention!

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No because I'm not convinced it's as big of an issue as people are making it out to be. I think the language and attitudes surrounding sexual harassment and assault are misleading and fuel an anti-male narrative that is toxic to society. As long as men and women work together, sexual tensions will be present. You can't legislate that away. Some sexual advances are going to occur. What should the government do about it exactly? Ban sexual relationships with coworkers? And should people have the right to determine foul play in hindsight when they initially accept a sexual advance but don't like how it turned out? I'm all for penalties for excessive sexual advances in the work place. The issue is in reliably establishing such things occurred because it's notoriously difficult to prove. If guilt is presumed, innocent people suffer. If innocence is presumed, innocent people suffer. There is no win here. It's best to prepare adults to deal with unwanted advances responsibly and not engage in irresponsible sexual activity. That way the responsibility to reduce sexual misconduct stays with them instead of being a blanket of legislative crap forced on everyone else all the time.

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No because I'm not convinced it's as big of an issue as people are making it out to be.

Depending on the country and the methodology and the definitions involved etc, it seems that at least 5-10% of women in most countries have been raped at some point in their lives as far as I can tell. In 2011 the CDC found it to be as high as 20% in the US. The number is lower for men. I took most of these numbers from here.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not the fact that somewhere between 1/20 to 1/5 of women worldwide will be raped in their lifetimes is a big concern or not.

I think the language and attitudes surrounding sexual harassment and assault are misleading and fuel an anti-male narrative that is toxic to society.

Would you care to provide some examples of language used in this protest that you disagree with?

As long as men and women work together, sexual tensions will be present. You can't legislate that away. Some sexual advances are going to occur. What should the government do about it exactly? Ban sexual relationships with coworkers?

I'm not necessarily looking to legislate that away. I'm looking to change how those advances occur. As you previously mentioned, this is a cultural issue that cannot be completely tackled by legislation. We need to change how these things are portrayed in media, and how we react to it in our day to day lives.

The protesters are looking to change things about their curriculum that they claim to be sexist, however. If what they say is true then that might be a question of legislation.

And should people have the right to determine foul play in hindsight when they initially accept a sexual advance but don't like how it turned out?

If by hindsight you mean revoking consent a week after it happened? Of course not.

If by hindsight you mean revoking consent in the middle of a sexual act but the other person ignores it? Of course.

I'm all for penalties for excessive sexual advances in the work place. The issue is in reliably establishing such things occurred because it's notoriously difficult to prove. If guilt is presumed, innocent people suffer. If innocence is presumed, innocent people suffer. There is no win here.

I'm all for innocent until proven guilty. The win here is if we can empower people to come forward with rape accusations at a higher rate, so that the many unreported rapes actually get reported. It's an enormous burden to expect people to testify against their rapist and relive the experience in such a public forum, so reducing the stigma here is of utmost importance. As seen with the metoo campaign, it is absolutely possible to empower victims to do just that if we remind them that they are not alone and that society is on their side. That's exactly what this protest does.

It's best to prepare adults to deal with unwanted advances responsibly and not engage in irresponsible sexual activity. That way the responsibility to reduce sexual misconduct stays with them instead of being a blanket of legislative crap forced on everyone else all the time.

I absolutely agree, but I'm wondering what sort of measures you want to take in order to prepare adults like that. I'm also curious if you have any particular legislation in mind here.

My worry with all of this is about the practical effects it has on society as a whole. Not just women. I think giving people the tools to seek justice is always a good thing. As with any good thing, the inevitability of abuse has to be dealt with. What stigma are you referring to btw? There are many. The one associated with rape victims? Or the one associated with people simply accused of it? Because that shit ruins lives too. A balance is key here.

So where do false rape accusations fit into all this? Are they a problem? If 1/20 women being raped is bad then so is 5-10% of rape allegations being confirmed false right? That's just the ones we can confirm mind you. When there is mass hysteria around something, it can actually drive up false accusations to where it gets even more difficult to figure out which ones are real and which ones aren't. That's the effect I see in the metoo campaign and the narrative of women as always the victims. It's blatantly one sided and based on emotional reasoning.

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My worry with all of this is about the practical effects it has on society as a whole. Not just women. I think giving people the tools to seek justice is always a good thing. As with any good thing, the inevitability of abuse has to be dealt with.

How would you deal with it expect to keep demanding the burden of evidence be on the prosecution as is the legal standard in most of the world?

What stigma are you referring to btw? There are many. The one associated with rape victims? Or the one associated with people simply accused of it? Because that shit ruins lives too. A balance is key here.

I'm referring to the stigma of the victims, which often keeps them from wanting to testify in court.

So where do false rape accusations fit into all this? Are they a problem? If 1/20 women being raped is bad then so is 5-10% of rape allegations being confirmed false right?

Wikipedia tells me it's 2-10% but that's beside the point.

Of course false rape accusations are a problem. It's a problem that gets dealt with to the best of our ability in the court system, and it's also a much smaller problem than the problem of sexual assault not being taken seriously.

If your concern is people who judge accused rapists before a verdict is given, or even continue to treat them as guilty even after they've been found innocent, I would also agree that it's a problem. But this is, again, a problem that is difficult to legislate against directly. It ties into culture and how news about outrageous people spread on social media and the widespread harassment and abuse that can come from that. It's in no way unique to rape accusations.

That's just the ones we can confirm mind you. When there is mass hysteria around something, it can actually drive up false accusations to where it gets even more difficult to figure out which ones are real and which ones aren't. That's the effect I see in the metoo campaign and the narrative of women as always the victims. It's blatantly one sided and based on emotional reasoning.

Do you have a source for false rape accusations being more prevalent during the metoo campaign? I'm sure the number of false accusations rose as the total number of accusations rose, but I'm interested in how many of them were false compared to the 2-10% normally seen. If the share of false accusations (and more importantly false convictions) is similar, then I don't see the problem.

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Are u really so ignorant thar u believe everyone voted cos "meh brown people and terrorism" ?

It's only a fuck up because you have clowns running the show.

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It's only a fuck up because you have clowns running the show.

Do you have a proposal for how to leave the single market and impose a hard border between the UK and the EU without violating the Good Friday agreement? This image sums up the problem pretty well.

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