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Just so that regular people here know, this thread has been heavily upvoted by the kin subforum as seen here:

https://np.reddit.com/r/KinFoundation/comments/9h6cd0/kin_partners_with_vr_beauty_app_perfect365_to/

This is why comments that claim "no one cares about decentralisation" are upvoted and all arguments are heavily downvoted in this post.

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Original Poster5 points · 1 day ago

Does your mom care about decentralization? Does she know what it is? Mainstream users do not care about decentralization. Period. Billions of users all use centralized apps to their hearts content. We're using a centralized forum right now. Centralized Reddit is better than decentralized Reddit. But we can improve the user experience by implementing a decentralized currency to connect all these apps in an ecosystem to work together, which allows them to monetize without ads, and align incentives with users for a better experience. Everyone wins.

The developers will care that kin is sufficiently decentralized, so they don't have to trust that they will get paid from the KRE. As the ecosystem grows, partner apps run nodes and further decentralize the ecosystem.

The mainstream users don't care at all. They don't even need to know they're using cryptocurrency or what that even means. That's the beauty of it. Users care about the experience. The ease of use. The great features.

Yeah actually if my mum uses crypto, she will care. I mean thats like the only point of using a cryptocurrency isnt it? No one cares about decentralisation on a forum or app, its money where the real game is being played. Centralised money is fiat currency, anything else is arguably worse.

Users care about the experience. The ease of use. The great features

Sounds like peddling snake oil to me

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Original Poster4 points · 1 day ago

I mean thats like the only point of using a cryptocurrency isnt it?

Not at all. Decentralization is one benefit of blockchain. Blockchain also programmatically guarantees the scarcity of a digital asset.

No one cares about decentralisation on a forum or app

Glad you agree. These 100 million users on Perfect365 aren't going to care about decentralization. All they're going to care about is what kin can do for them and how it can improve their experience in this app and across an ecosystem of apps they use.

Sounds like peddling snake oil to me

You've lost me now. This is what users care about.

In any case, the kin in-app will become more decentralized over time as partners join and run nodes, which is important for the devs because they need to be able to trust the KRE.

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Original Poster1 point · 1 day ago

holy ball sacks

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Too bad kin is android-only until we get approved for in-app purchases.

Original Poster1 point · 1 day ago

Kinit is approved for in-app purchases. And a lot of the dev program teams are already working on getting approved. I honestly don't think it will take long for a company that large to get in. They have the resources.

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Unfortunately, it's not. Gift cards are not in-app purchases. In-app purchases are things like unlockable content, or stickers or chat themes, etc. Basically any native digital goods or services. Gift cards are not native.

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-11 points · 2 days ago

Lol? Guess the 4 million MAU on Brave doesn’t prove much huh

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And kin is starting with apps with 20 million + MAU. So i guess BAT loses.

0 points · 2 days ago

Xrp announced that today :)

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Except they didn't. :)

There is no official partnership between Twitch and xrp. but you can donate to Twitch through the coil extension.

Can you guys at nufi explain how you obtain information ahead of the market?

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The same way Prnewswire obtains their information.

And then he got... Let go.

Also

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This article says 25 people were laid off (not fired) on March 30th.

Matt left in February.

Nice try. Also, the higher execs that were laid off were public, and Matt wasn't one of them (obviously, because he left over a month prior).

These dates don't have to lineup. People there from the start can easily be given notice of what's going to happen.

Either way, getting replaced and then saying he's going to get another role in the in company that never actually materialized sure doesn't sound like, "Stepping down" to me Still funny that you would call me hyperbolic, it's like you didn't read your own first comment lol.

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5 points · 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

That article is from July 2017. You're bad at this.

Not replaced. See below.

UPDATE on July 17, 2017:

https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/twitch-kate-jhaveri-svp-marketing-1202491599/

"Matthew DiPietro, SVP of marketing and communications, will continue in the same role — giving Twitch two execs with the title of SVP of marketing. A Twitch rep said DiPietro “actively recruited Kate and will remain a key member of the leadership team.” Previously, the rep had said DiPietro would take on a new role at the company with Jhaveri’s hire.]"

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In Q4 we're going to have 40-some-odd apps from the dev program running isolated Kin economies. This means those apps won't benefit from the network effect of cross-app transfers (a key component of the connected Kin ecosystem). So why isn't the identity layer a higher priority?

-8 points · 10 days ago

you and I recently argued about this and you seemed to NOT be so worried at the time ;) Glad you came around and asked it..important!

What entity/policies ENSURE that these apps must eventually implement these cross app transfers? Remember we spoke about the possibility of an app just becoming it's own little kingdom, controlling the earn/spend prices and being the only one with access to the outside market..It was my opinion that if someone did it right, it may even be in their interest to not ever let people transfer their kin in and out as the app itself becomes it's own market maker. I know you disputed this point, but I'd like for you to add it to your question if possible so we get Ted's response. Their has to be a way that an app has no choice but to offer this feature if they want to implement kin into their platform

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you and I recently argued about this and you seemed to NOT be so worried at the time ;) Glad you came around and asked it..important!

Nice try, but no. This is not what the argument was about. I've always been interested in the completion of the identity layer to allow for smooth UX for transferring kin between apps. I did not "come around" to the idea.

we spoke about the possibility of an app just becoming it's own little kingdom, controlling the earn/spend prices and being the only one with access to the outside market..It was my opinion that if someone did it right, it may even be in their interest to not ever let people transfer their kin in and out as the app itself becomes it's own market maker. I know you disputed this point

This is what we argued about and I still firmly disagree with you. I'm not going to have the same argument with you again. If you want to ask it, you are free to.

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Quick search through his comment history confirms raging misogynist.

-1 points · 12 days ago

Are referring to the TDE?

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Are you referring to the thing that's 100% exactly the same as an ICO in every way, just with a different name because they felt like it?

Moderator of r/KinFoundation, speaking officiallyScore hidden · 15 days ago · Stickied comment

I'll say it now, once and for all: the atomic swap has nothing to do with Kin's price.

Wether it's 1 cent or .5 cent - the atomic swap has nothing to do with it.

The swap mechanism is being worked on (it's not an easy thing to develop, by the way) and the details will be shared when possible.

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Maybe you're talking about something else, but the atomic swap is necessary to give Kin1 non-speculative value, because it links kin1 and kin2 together. Right now, kin1 has zero utility and is literally a different currency than kin2, which has utility.

Until the atomic swap is enabled, these two stay as different and separate currencies. This means kin1's price is completely speculative.

Therefore, the atomic swap is directly related to kin1's price, as it provides it real world demand.

4 points · 14 days ago

I agree with you 100%.

My point here was that the implementation of a swap mechanism is not tied to Kin's value at that point in time. It will be rolled out when it's ready, without any dependancy on Kin's price.

"the atomic swap will only will be enabled when kin1 goes up to 0.01" - this is the misconception I was referring to.

You feel me?

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Gotcha. I didn't know anyone had that misconception. That's a really odd thing to think.

Exactly what are you replying to? Moon kids? I've autistically been in crypto since 2012 - I bought bitcoin in highschool. I bought ethereum in alpha at $5-10. Maybe you should do some more reading. Hes the one that came here and started talking about ven lmfao. He has stated recently that wtc and ven dont matter. This thing with a whole * dozens * of apps is going to be number 1 EOY. He stated this in no uncertain terms. I dont post often anymore either, but that is irrelevant. He doesnt support Walton anymore in a waltonchain supportive community. No I think the problem is not insecurity or whatever your point is even, in fact, your post doesnt make sense in relation to the original topic and what it was about.

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1 point · 14 days ago · edited 14 days ago

Hes the one that came here and started talking about ven lmfao.

No I didn't. You quoted me from a discussion i had in r/cryptocurrency. I never brought up vechain here. Not even once. You did when you quoted me. You brought it here.

He has stated recently that wtc and ven dont matter.

No I didn't. I think both will be successful, and they both matter very much in the crypto space. They will both be cranking out a ton of transactions, and will be amongst the only cryptos with real world demand.

However, that wasn't the discussion. The discussion was about which coin (VET, WTC, or KIN) would be the most used crypto by the end of 2018.

Given that it doesn't seem that Walton will complete the token swap to main net by the end of the year, seeing as the SMN deadline is the 31st, I don't think Walton will have any activity on the public main net before the end of the year. This would certainly disqualify Walton from being the most used crypto in the world before the end of 2018.

Vechain will have activity in December, allegedly. We'll see if they can meet that deadline. I think it probably will be true, but their numbers aren't as impressive as Kin's.

Kin will have the 40 apps in October launching, plus a potential second batch of apps, plus the 20 million active users in Kik and IMVU all before the end of the year. So I think this is pretty clearly the most used crypto before the end of 2018. All bets are off after 2018, and walton or vechain may surpass Kin. I don't know. I don't care. I'm talking about end of 2018, so please keep my argument in context.

He doesnt support Walton anymore in a waltonchain supportive community.

I don't want to be associated with the walton community because I dislike this community very much. That's what i mean by not being a supporter. I still have a truckload of walton and wish very much that the price increases and walton is successful.

Guys we will have the last laugh. Hope TLM sold all his WTC and gets what he deserves...

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And I hope you make a ton of money. I hope everyone here wins.

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your bags sound heavy mr mod from kin subreddit.

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Only kin officials are mods. You guys crack me up.

MODERATOR OF THESE COMMUNITIES r/kinapps

aka desperate shiller with heavy bags and a 9-5 until the end of his life.

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Yeah that's not the kin subreddit. r/kinfoundation is the kin sub. Kinapps is just a community-made sub to talk about the kin apps. Much like a telegram group. It's largely unsuccessful and nobody uses it lol. I haven't viewed that sub basically since it was created a couple weeks ago.

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User facing cryptocurrencies will be the first to be mass adopted.

Because it's fuxking inconvenient.

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Exactly. It's a logical problem. Why spend money on Bitcoin, buy a thing, and then have the person who received it convert it back to usd so they can pay their workers/bills?

The physical world runs on dollars. It works pretty well, and the users don't really have a problem with it.

The digital world is more receptive to cryptocurrency. You can assign value to digital goods and services that don't have an inherent dollar value, like stickers, chat themes, a great group chat, etc, and create an economy around this cryptocurrency in an ecosystem of apps.

This is how crypto can work as a currency. You need the right incentives. A crypto to buy coffee? Yeah, not happening any time soon. Start with the digital world and then move to the physical world after the digital has caught on. Then it can work.

0 points · 19 days ago

Rip kin

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Seeing as this literally doesn't do anything that kin is doing, I fail to see how this kills kin. Lmfao. Please, enlighten me since you know so much.

2 points · 19 days ago

How you doing buddy? I know it wouldn't take much to lure you out of that kin cave you're in.

Let me tell you what kin looks like to someone who hasn't done any research on kin (moi).

  1. You get payed in kin for some questionnaires. WOW
  2. Most users in Crypto? Well see if adoption happens. As I see it kiks user base will never grow beyond other big chat apps anymore. And crypto definitely won't be a reason for that.

Kiks first impression has to change Imo. I think people still see it as a shitcoin.

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Read my article I wrote the other day that explains what kin is and why it's going to be the most used crypto in the world. Then come back and talk if you want. I'll answer any questions you have.

https://hackernoon.com/kin-will-be-the-most-used-cryptocurrency-in-the-world-by-the-end-of-the-year-4092b1be9152

Hey guys. I wrote this a long time ago and it's really outdated and inaccurate now. We learned that they do design their own chips, and they also serialize their chips without an API, from within their chips, just like walton does. This contrasts with Ambr osus's chips that serialize via a centralized API.

Anyway, just wanted to clear that up.

DESIGNING and having your own company design and build is much stronger and more potentially profitable.

TML is a sell out and cracked under price swings.

But now that price is going up again I’m sure we will be hearing much more from The Late Manipulator

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I don't see a problem with outsourcing mass production for your design when it comes to how good the chips are. The proof will be in the pudding. We should just wait to see. Why does this anger you so much?

A sell out? To whom?

And who told you I cracked? Are you just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks? I'm not sure what you even mean. Do you think I sold my position or something?

How am I a manipulator? Why are you such an asshole? Why is there is so much hostility towards me? This is part of the reason I left this community. You aren't willing to consider criticism for walton or acknowledge the pros of another project. Money is on the line here, sir. I don't care about your feelings.

There are a lot of accusations in your post, and a lot of toxicity and emotion. Perhaps you are over-invested. It seems to me that it's possible you have "cracked."

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why do dApps suck dill0n?

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In addition to everything said, dApps are slow to change. Apps are much more agile, and you can iterate faster. You can very quickly make the features and implement them in a centralized app.

Thomas, if you're lurking here, you should seriously rethink your review. It may seem as though you're harmlessly expressing your opinion, but in an Apps early stages, every star counts.

All you're doing is harming your own investment.

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Morpheus: What if i told you he wasn't actually invested.

5 points · 22 days ago

You heard it here first folks, Trump molest babies with cancer. Anonymous Source.

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I c wut u did

12 points · 22 days ago · edited 21 days ago

😳 249, 978 .....249, 979 ...😴...😳... shit!!! 249, 991, phew!!!

Oh god....🏃🏼‍♂️. ....💩...249,999

Go on.... 😳 .... .... .... .... 250,000. Woo hoo!!!!! 📷....📷....what the fuck....250,001....no no no 📷....😡....📸! Woohoo!!!

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Beautiful story.

I'm sure it will, as a rising tide lifts all the boats. The problem is when people see price appreciation as validation for whatever their beliefs about a coin are.

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Right. Price doesn't validate a coin or token's success. What matters to me is if it's being used. Since Kin will be the most used cryptocurrency by far in just a few months, that will be the validation.

And i know you're rolling your eyes, but it's just math.

The fact that you think that tells me you don't pay attention to logistics and supply chain blockchains at all. Furthermore the value being created by those users is negligible at best so the user base is just a number.

For instance, a single Dapp on VeChain, CAHrenheit, will have 50,000 cars integrated by December. WaltonChains RFID chip is in the final stages of pre-production and they could easily print thousands per day, all of them writing directly to their blockchain. So yes, your insistence that KIN will be the most used blockchain because people will be answering questions and surveys definitely makes me roll my eyes. None of that even requires blockchain, but that's besides the point. In the end it amounts to willful ignorance in my opinion.

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So yes, your insistence that KIN will be the most used blockchain because people will be answering questions and surveys definitely makes me roll my eyes.

Kinit is an app that is used as an example to show what Kin can do for engagement and retention of users. It also shows that earns and spends can get approved by apple (it's the only app approved by apple for earns. Only crypto to get an exemption to clause v).

The point of Kinit is to make it easier to onboard partners for the ecosystem. Kin isn't about taking surveys and answering polls. Kin is a new way to monetize. You're missing the forest for the trees. Developers can monetize by simply making their app better, now that their incentives are aligned with their users. They don't have to show them ads anymore (which don't work anyway because Facebook and Google have a monopoly on ads).

None of that even requires blockchain, but that's besides the point.

It absolutely does. First, a blockchain guarantees the scarcity of a digital asset.

Secondly, you need a trustless way to pay developers for their contributions to the economy. You don't want to just trust that kik will pay you. You want a smart contract system that guarantees that you are paid fairly for your contributions.

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121 points · 23 days ago

The process It's pretty long, it must be easier, I can't imagine my mom or any ordinary person that not in this world actually do it. It simply too much effort.

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The solution is to give users a way to earn the currency first, and then they can spend it in an ecosystem of apps. Like Kin.

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