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i think you can successfully learn a simplified rubber guard thats based around omoplata entries, but you definitely need a 10P school to get the nuances necessary for more complex sequences

Original Poster1 point · 4 hours ago

Definitely not a bad place to start though, with the omoplata entries. As someone with longer legs, omoplatas, and sweeps from the omoplata position are already a staple of my game.

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yes, but again there's a big difference in terms of RG fundamentals regarding controlling the position. Without them, you're basically just playing a rubber-style high guard like old school nino schembri, or shawn williams guard-- which are fine for omo-focused attacks. those complex eddie bravo sequences will still work very well against lower belts, but you need sound trapping fundamentals to get it going against anybody who's seen that game before

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How did Kimbo end up with Bas as his coach in the first place, esp with his south Florida roots? Always seemed like an odd match

4 points · 1 day ago

in a no points there shouldn’t be judges

Totally agreed. Even though f2w and Polaris are excellent, but both judging systems leaves a lot to be desired. Sub or Draw is really the only system that makes sense if you want to remove a point system. EBI rules are just bonkers, it's for folks who prefer instant gratification :P

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i think F2W rules are the best. judges going off clear criteria of who was trying to finish the fight, with legit sub attempts taking priority but leaving room for wins via control if you can totally neutralize your opponent. you always see good matches, almost always see guys pushing for the victory right up to the end. it deludes that "i did enough to win" feeling that you see in so many other rulesets, including kasai.

Two questions:

  1. Why were both Lutes and Vagner given stalling penalties, when Vagner was clearly the one 'initiating' the stalling?

  2. More of a rules question, but shouldn't the decision go to the top guy if bottom guy pulls guard most of the match yet doesn't get off any significant attacks the entire match? Seems like guard players have an advantage because they can score/attack with less risk yet are essentially conceding a takedown to do it. I thoughht this was a big factor in the Holland-Yahya match on the undercard, and of course in Grippo-Calestine

138 points · 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

In his 1951 match with Masahiko Kimura, Helio Gracie and his family carried a coffin into the stadium to parade in front of Kimura. “This is what Helio is going to do to you.”

It draws a crowd. It makes more money. The more things change the more they stay the same.

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7 points · 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

that match had a major pro wrestling component which Gracie history glosses over for obvious self-serving reasons. clearly, the Gracies generally had their fighting roots in carnival style wrestling attractions, and many of their matches were certainly worked shoots.

Choque, Global Training Report, Robert Drysdale appearance on Grappling Central Podcast

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13 points · 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

every time i watch grippo i feel like he's training at the wrong camp; he isn't relentless like Marcelo Garcia and doesn't really do any of MG's techniques. he could have either stayed at renzo's and become a leglock monster, or moved to AOJ and gone all in with the berimbolo game, but as is he has this in-between game where he's good at getting positions but has a hard time finishing his moves

Gianni almost made the switch to Cobrinha’s last year - that would’ve been perfect.

Cobrinha’s retired, and having Isaac + Kennedy as training partners

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i recall that, but why isn't Gianni at a gym that specializes in the style he seemingly wants to play, like Caio Terra?

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i remember when i was a white belt and nobody showed up to class except for me and my two white belt friends. for some reason, we spent a half hour practicing some half-remembered bicep slicer thing none of us had any idea how to do, and was probably some Submissions 101 bs technique anyway

There aren’t very many reasons that I would go neon face on someone, but that’s probably one of those reasons.

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exactly. this should be an invitation for the top guy to do whatever dirty, painful techniques he wants.

What should I do when I'm in the process of getting the figure-4 for my darce from side-control, and my opponent manages to get to their knees? Usually happens if I'm not careful with my pressure; is there any followup to recover, or do i just marce them? how do I make sure they don get their arm out?

u/darce_knight please help?

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i think the best option when opponent turtles is to get a japanese necktie grip (palm-to-palm with elbows and wrists pinched tight) and then chop down clockwise on his neck; the great majority of the time opp will land almost to his back in that ideal position for you to finish with the darce.

Imo a fighters union isn’t the problem, the Reebok deal is though. Fighters should be able to sell advertisements on Reebok shorts/have glove endorsements etc. I understand why the UFC didn’t want to have dude wipes or condom depot on fighters asses when the sport was taking that next step towards legitimate, but now that it has, the ufc should allow fighters to put selective personal advertisements on the fighters shorts and maybe provide for a glove advertisement when the Reebok deal ends (in a bazillion years)

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a fighters union would get a fairly negotiated cut of things like the Reebok deal, not to mention video game rights, non-fight obligations, pensions, etc. it is for these ancillary things that an athletes union is most valuable, not just base pay

I thought you meant he was virulently anti-Semitic and slowly progressing towards total insanity even as he established his reputation as one of the best ever. Glad to hear that's not the case.

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People who aren't into chess can't comprehend what an amazing player Fischer was. Rafa Mendes combined with Marcelo Garcia would be the best BJJ analog, in that Fischer always attacked, and always in ways that blew up conventional chess thinking. His later life mental fragility was largely because of the incredible mental obsession he had for the game in his early life. There's an anonymous online game he may have played late in his life (no way to know for sure if it was him, but some clues that suggest it could be) where he opened with a bizarre King horseshoe maneuver that is as anathema to conventional chess as could be imagined. Even if this wasn't him playing the game, it suggests where his mind was.

I don't think Fischer was actually that unconventional, he was just better than everyone. He certainly was more concrete, but his opening repertoire was fairly normal by the standards of the day. He wasn't playing crazy shit like Bent Larsen, to name a contemporary example (contemporary to Fischer of course). I do wonder if he would have gone crazy without chess, his mom had significant mental problems but IIRC his sister is pretty normal, and chess can certainly drive you insane, especially at that level. It drove me crazy sometimes as 1900 level player when I was still playing competitively.

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His openings were conventional for sure (King's pawn and Sicilian were his primaries, right?), but the way he always looked to create activity above all else was something that really set him apart, and where I see the Marcelo/Mendes comparison. I'm just a 1500 online player but I can totally understand, and will occassionally almost flirt with, the level of insanity it would take for me to even get to 1900 much less to a high competitive level. Jiu jitsu is a way more fun obsession.

Can you explain a little more of how you would setup that attack? Having a hard time imagining it, thank you!

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which attack? this video is a good explainer of the knee lift one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EWWgJBonLU which i think goes best with an immediate berimbolo. for the crab ride attack, imagine you're in de la x with the same grips on the knee lift attack. take your left arm ( the elbow gripping one) and reach behind your opponent's legs to his far ankle. you shoukd at least be able to grip his pants if not a full underhook on his ankle. as soon as you get this grip, switch your outside leg (the one hooking behind opps knee) to hook behind opp's near knee, while at the same time switching your collar grip to his belt. now you just switch your de la riva leg to a crab ride hook on the far leg and kick out. you should go for the back, but i find that often your opponent bails to the open side and you end up in a leg drag.

grab the near elbow & near lapel (or 2-on-1 the near arm for no-gi), bring your knees in, lift, and dump your opponent on his butt, then immediately berimbolo.

another great attack is to get that near lapel grip then reach behind for your opponent's far ankle; once you get the grip transfer your front hook to a crab ride (transfer lapel grip to belt) and go to the baby bolo, you may get the back but i find more often you end up in a leg drag position.

also, get comfortable chaining de la X with single X guard (if opponent staggers his stance with far leg to deny you the deep hook, just kick out his far knee, circle your near leg out and under to single x while giving a yank on the lapel to pull yourself in). collar/sleeve guard also chains well with de la x.

15 points · 14 days ago · edited 14 days ago

He barely beat Dillon and one could make a case it could've gone the other way. I'm not the one to make the case but the case could be made.

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i think Dillon won that match; it was razor thin for sure but Dillon definitely got the better of the wrestling portion of the match. ADCC judging criteria is very confusing-- some matches seemed to award the guy with the better attacks during the no-points (which gordon had vs. danis) but then other matches rewarded the more aggressive wrestler (Lucas Lepri winning vs. Vagner Rocha despite Rocha getting a clean TD and taking Lepri's back during the no-points period).

1 point · 13 days ago

Didn't he got dillon in the saddle just before the time out? For me it's far more decisive than the wrestling

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id need to watch it again, but i don't recall Dillon being in much danger. yet it's true that Gordon at least forced him to escape, whereas Dillon didn't have any attacks in regulation that forced a defense from Gordon. But this is what i was alluding to in my previous post, where ADCC seems unclear about its judging criteria-- some matches like Lucas Lepri vs. Vagner Rocha rewarded the clear loser in the no-points period, whereas others like Danis vs. Ryan and Lovato vs. Pena rewarded the loser of the wrestling round despite only a marginal advantage in regulation.

Original Poster7 points · 15 days ago

A few small details on this one. There are two separate scenarios occurring in the back step. One is the opponent (who is backstepping) landing with his arm below under the head (like a crossface) and the other is the backstepping opponent landing with his arm not under the head.

When the arm is not under the head, a backarch roll through will work; however, when the arm is under the head the finish is by going nearly vertical in a cartwheel style motion to the other side.

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there's a third option on the backstep, which is to post on the opponent's chest and use it to stay upright rather than drop your hip to the mat. i've had massive success using this option, as it is a perfect hub between a leg entry, a knee slice on the restep, and a back take via arm drag. the post om the chest basically pins the bottom guy, and then by staying upright you short-circuit most of the reverse half attacks that people have (the backwards roll is the only one that works, but this can be countered by leaning your weight into your opp's legs).

is PFL the same company as World Series of Fighting, just rebranded?

My god that was a waste of a few minutes of reading. I feel dumber for reading all the way thru, but slightly oddly entertained...

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indeed. that was dumb even for those two guys

You could also consider not slamming your knee into the mat every time.

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truth. i'm actually dealing with some knee stuff myself right now, but i'm finding that knee cut passing is one of the only things i can do because i long-ago learned to slide through the pass rather than punch.

-4 points · 21 days ago · edited 21 days ago

aikido is disliked because of people like you. plenty of people try bjj or mma and realize they weren't as tough as they thought. most just humbly get over it and train, but only the aikido guy turns it into a self-aggrandizing delusion.

6 points · 21 days ago

but only the aikido guy turns it into a self-aggrandizing delusion.

To be fair to him, he's obviously trying to turn it into a profitable youtube channel. He's put out six videos this week, that's a part time job.

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that's exactly why the guy is bullshit. lots of people get humbled by martial arts, but only the aikido guy is in such denial that he turns it into a youtube channel in search of some imaginary profundity.

Was Geo the biggest guy they had to put against Ishii? Cause he was still absolutely dwarfed, and it looked like Ishii kinda had his way with him. Still, impressive that he went the distance.

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was only a 4 minute match because of the size difference.

looked like Geo had something of a phantom tap against Ishii. Not saying he did it on purpose, but when he brought his hand up in anticipation of tapping, Ishii let go of the kimura.

CBA pay the NFL. Flo pay the IBJJF

If what way are you saying there is a difference?

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the ibjjf didn't negotiate with the athletes in order to sell their match rights like the NFL does with its players

All athletes agree to it when they sign up for these tournaments. It's in the terms and conditions.

Does any of the NFL TV deal money go to the players, genuine question

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As far as I understand, the NFL player's association negotiates with the NFL for a profit-sharing agreement that includes the TV money (paid in the form of salary and other payments). The players also retain the right to collectively bargain their own likeness rights for stuff like apparrell, video games, posters, shirts (which would no doubt include a subscription service like Flo's). Flo is exploiting the loophole of BJJ being a nascent sport, where there is no athlete association and the biggest fight org (IBJJF) is itself trying to play a dubious amateur/profesional dance.

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23 points · 25 days ago · edited 25 days ago

I think he will tighten it up. I mean to be fair the guy has only had one fight ever before this. And I like that he's at least confident and I think it's almost better that he's relaxed than overly stuff on the feet. He's always been a relaxed grappler and it wouldn't surprise me if he maintains a fairly relaxed striking game as well.

The good thing is that I think he has great striking to takedowns, good blend of ground control, GnP, and sub attempts. And importantly he is able to stay calm when his best attacks fail. Even some high level submission fighters in MMA seem to mentally crumble a little bit when they throw their best subs at guys and don't finish them. I love Palhares and Charles Oliveira but they are examples of this.

Garry stayed composed and kept with the program, and I like that in only his 2nd fight he didn't show any signs of breaking or losing confidence in his offense. He just stayed the course.

I actually like the sub attempts over GnP style, but I realize it's not as smart of a strategy maybe. Chris Weidman used to do it and then started doing GnP over subs.

I like Garry's use of the cradle. I wish we saw that more in MMA and pure grappling.

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agree, despite his inexperience it's most encouraging how naturally Tonon is able to transition between phases of the MMA game. that being said, one of Tonon's relative weaknesses in BJJ it's that he sometimes can get a little too "relaxed" and needlessly find himself in some bad spots (you see that most commonly with his wrestling). not hard to envision him getting flash KO'd some day in an MMA fight after shifting one too many times.

if your local jiu-jitsu gym makes standup a dedicated part of the curriculum then go there (telltale sign: do the students start their sparring sessions standing up or does EVERYBODY start on their knees?), otherwise try a judo or mma gym.

you should have watched Quintet 1-- Team Polaris (Craig Jones, Marcin Held, Dan Strauss, Gregor Gracie, Caol Uno) was about as dominant as you can get with this format. The beat-down they put on the Polish sambo team was something to behold

You are 100% correct: "The Puncher's Chance" is one of the biggest myths in MMA and boxing. In reality, huge underdogs who win (Holm over Rousey, Weidman over Silva, Werdum over Fedor) are always proven by time to be the correct result. The only true lucky punch upsets I can think of are Serra over GSP, Soukodjou over Arona/Nog, and maybe Uriah Hall over Mousasi. And even of those rare cases, one was the result of a mental breakdown (GSP), one was a circumstantial anomaly (Hall), and the other was an unknown fighter with an extremely aggressive and unorthodox style (Soukodjou)

what i expected: the 10P Black Belt drops his vape pen, butt scoots and fishes for leglocks until the gas station attendant stops the fight and restarts with Bollinger on the other guy's back

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