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Haitian Immigrant Alix Idrache graduating from West Point in 2016

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Idrache was a leader in his class of 950 cadets and was named a regimental commander. Idrache said that he grew up in Port-au-Prince watching U.S. troops perform humanitarian missions in his native Haiti. He became West Point’s top graduate in physics, earning the school’s Brigadier General Gerald A. Counts Memorial Award.

"I am from Haiti and never did I imagine that such honor would be one day bestowed on me. Men and women who have preserved the very essence of the human condition stood in that position and took the same oath. Men who preserved the Union in a dark period of this country’s history. Men who scaled the face of adversity and liberated Europe from fascism …Women like CPT Griest, LT Haver, MAJ Jaster who rewrote the narrative and challenged the status quo to prove themselves worthy of being called Rangers.”

“Knowing that one day I will be a pilot is humbling beyond words, I could not help but be flooded with emotions knowing that I will be leading these men and women who are willing to give their all to preserve what we value as the American way of life. To me, that is the greatest honor. Once again, thank you."

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13.8k points · 6 months agoGilded1

An articulate and high achieving immigrant American patriot from a poor West Indian background.

A bit like Alexander Hamilton, funnily enough.

3.8k points · 6 months ago

He did not throw away his shot.

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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”

Edit: Here is the complete second paragraph of the United States Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”.

I intentionally cut it because I am doing a Hamilton reference from the song The Schuyler Sisters. Didn’t expect it to blow up.

And when I meet Thomas Jefferson, imma compel him to include women in the sequel, WORK!

292 points · 6 months ago

Look around, look around at how lucky he is to be alive right now.

Immigrants, they get the job done

I’m taking this horse by the reins making redcoats redder with bloodstains.

And I’m never gonna stop until I make them drop and burn them up and scatter the remains

Lafayette!

Watch me engagin’ em! Escapin’ em! Enragin’ em! I’m— LAFAYETTE!

“We may not run America, but we make America run.”

Immortal Technique

19 points · 6 months ago

I was lucky enough to see Hamilton in person and everybody lost their shit at this line it was awesome.

For a taste of it check out the video of when they performed Yorktown at the Tonys. It’s almost as if people aren’t openly bigoted towards the hardest working people in America.

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32 points · 6 months ago

History is happening in Manhattan and we just happen to be in the greatest city in the world. The greatest city in the world!

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THis guy may have been made equal, but he’s better than us now.

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He was just like his country - young scrappy and hungry - and he did not throw away his shot.

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EVERYBODY SAY WHOA WHOA WHOAAA WHOA

OH MY GOD! Sorry, this is a special occasion. I found a Ham reference and not through the UnexpectedHamilton sub.

173 points · 6 months ago

Is a response to a comment about Alexander Hamilton an unexpected place to find a reference to the play Hamilton?

Inconceivable!

“You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

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You will never be satisfied.

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"a real articulate fella" --Zootopia

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Graduated from West Point

Alexander Haitian-man

He's not even the only Haitian graduated that year. I went to West Point for a year, 2012-2013 (dropped out, that place is intense), and my roommate and squadmate was from Haiti. He's related to someone high up in the government there. We've kept in touch. He had no plans to immigrate to the US after graduating, and never did, but he did graduate in 2016

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9 points · 6 months ago

Doesn’t he owe 5 years of active duty service and 3 years in reserve upon graduation?

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In this case, no. The military academies have partnerships with other countries, so a handful of the cadets will go after graduation to serve their own countries military. Aside from my roommate, I remember there being a handful of cadets from Africa.

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I think you mean a shithole background. /s

Lets be honest. Trump can't place Haiti on a map, he has no idea if its a shithole or not (though once someone shows him this picture and he realizes black people live there...)

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623 points · 6 months ago

I was part of the GRF when I was in the military and participated in the Humanitarian efforts for Haiti. My unit was the first to land, and I can say, it was indeed a nightmare in Haiti, as has been told repeatedly. However, there were was still a lot of happiness to be found, in an environment filled with chaos and confusion. I've encountered a number of Haitians during my month in Haiti, many were children. They really looked up to us soldiers and some really expressed their interest in becoming a US soldier.

It's nice to hear that many immigrants from Haiti have made it here safely and are truly achieving some of their aspirations, whatever it may be. Although, I'd be happy to know they are just living a decent life, too. I remember this one kid that always hung around us in Haiti, we gave him everything that we took for granted - water, meal rations, STEAK (from Sean Penn...), skittles, candy, etc... And he was always so happy to receive it. Oh, we gave him a huge knife too, lmao.

Anyways, this picture is inspiring and I hope that I will see more of such photos in the future!

We need leaders like you to stand up - In your community and anywhere else. Please show that this is the land of “Bring me your...huddled masses...wretched refuses...”. Our strength is our diversity.

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People like this make me proud to be an American. I am proud to be a part of his America.

1.3k points · 6 months agoGilded1

This guy is the perfect example of an American who was born somewhere else and just hadn't come home yet.

1.0k points · 6 months agoGilded2

Amen. It makes some people irrationally angry that I am a strong patriot. I don't want people to confuse patriotism with blind patriotism, I do not condone or support everything this country does, but my parents are examples of the American dream. My dad gave up everything in Iran before the revolution and came here only to start his life again. Got another degree in engineering and worked for Parsons. Built a life. My mom got a bachelor's and masters in Business and works for the government. They fought an uphill battle and succeeded. I look at them and see how much this country gave, and it's genuinely heartwarming.

I really do love this country. I concede that we're not perfect by any means. I'm not proud of some of our leaders, past and present, Republican or Democrat; I'm not proud of our history of slavery and our history of jurisprudence that condoned racial discrimination, like Dredd Scott or Korematsu; I'm not proud of our corporate funded government.

But then I look to heroes who overcame adversity and I realize why I'm so proud to be American. I look at people like Obama who stood up against adversity and was the first black president of this great nation, and Michelle Obama whose greatnth grandmother was once a slave who couldn't even step foot in the house Ms. Obama slept in; I am reminded of heroes of government like Tom Wheeler who fought to preserve Net Neutrality; RBG, who once argued in front of the very court she now sits, when she argued with unbridled passion to give women equal rights; Elon Musk who put America on the map for electric cars (even though I'm not a huge fan of Tesla) and space travel, once again putting us on top of the world; and of the American astronauts who were the first and last people on the very moon I look at every night before I go to sleep.

At the end of the day, I don't agree with our wars and the way we fuel the drug trade, but in a country where anyone can be president if they work hard enough, even a man who got promoted to a position he probably isn't 100% qualified to have, I am proud to know I call that country home. It really makes me cry sometimes to know how lucky I am. I was born a citizen of this country and knowing what I know about how my parents grew up in Iran, I count my lucky stars everyday to call the US home. And as a result, I wear a California and US flag pin on my lapel everyday as a symbol of my pride.

Sorry for the rant. And sorry for any grammatical errors, I typed this on my phone.

259 points · 6 months ago

Hey - just remember, not being a blind patriot is literally what our country was founded on. Like your Iranian parents before you, you're a true American.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country and liking certain things about your country. It's also perfectly fine to display this pride. It's only a problem when you think that your country and fellow countrymen are better than the next. This breeds inequality, hatred and arrogance.

Many people are unable to thread this line gracefully.

Damn I love this comment. Thanks man.

There's nothing wrong with patriotism. It's why we fight to make our country better. The problem is nationalism.

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16 points · 6 months ago

Thank you for putting this into words. I wholeheartedly agree. I love my country. I am so proud and grateful to be an American. I can say that without reservation.

I am not a patriot because I believe in or agree with or excuse my country’s failings or missteps, of which there have been many. I condemn those without reservation.

I am a patriot because I believe in the best of ideals that underpin this nation, and I believe that we as Americans are, as we always have been, uniquely empowered to better ourselves and our country.

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That’s my favorite way to describe what a true American is. Not this “Christian nation” stuff, not this “only the good immigrants” stuff, just people who finally came home, whether by birth, boat, foot, or plane.

It's all in the Rule Book. AKA, the Constitution. So perfect.

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Oh wow, I love this. :)

I came home 20 years ago. And now that DACA is in a limbo - maybe I'll get kicked out! Who knows, exciting times!

I wish we could keep people like you and deport anti-DACA asshats in your place. You’re more American than they could ever hope to be.

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According to our president, he comes from a Shithole country. Since America was built by immigrants, including my ancestors, I find it repulsive our leader speaks like that.

100 points · 6 months ago

The offensive part isn't that Trump called those places shitholes. The offensive part is he questioned why people from those places are given the opportunity to be Americans.

Look around to Americans of Irish and Italian descent. They are here because, when their ancestors got on boats, Ireland and Italy were shitholes.

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The "shithole" comment isn't really what pissed me off. With all due respect to Haiti, I sure as shit would never want to live there. What pissed me off was his implication that these places have problems because their people are somehow lesser than Europeans. His comment wasn't directed at those countries. It was directed at people who struggle to get to this country and forge a better life for themselves.

My ancestors were refugees from war and poverty. They were not the wealthy and educated. They were poor people from the slums of Naples and political prisoners from rural Ireland. They were not superhuman, they were not the pinnacle of achievement. They were human beings, warts and all, who were willing to uproot themselves from their homeland so that they can build a better life in a country that supposedly offers it to everybody

The amount of Americans, products of this same process, who think others should not have that ability is not only astounding to me it is morally disgusting and an insult to our history as a country.

None of our ancestors came here because they were rich and powerful. All of us have humble beginnings if we go back far enough. And that is what is so enraging about his comment. That people are not worthy to come here because of the color of their skin or where they are from. None of us would be here if our ancestors weren't fleeing a"shithole" of some sort.

It is literally the American Dream. And how dare we refuse it to someone else, when it was not refused to our ancestors.

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You are not alone, brother.

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The way you worded that last sentence really resonated with me. I am about to ship out to basic training for the Coast Guard and you just got me even more hyped up for it.

Semper paratus man! Good luck and Godspeed!

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This makes me super proud but also a little ashamed for not contributing more to the USA.

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The true America.

Team America

Fuck yeah

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You and me both, brother.

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167 points · 6 months ago

Jesus Christ he's eloquent. Tell him, Let us know when you retire from the military, we could probably use your talents in Congress

I am so sick of having a president who communicates primarily by vomiting barely literate, verbal emojis on Twitter.

Sad.

Just goes to show you how effective/infectious his rhetoric is. I've been seeing people ending their remarks with SAD! more and more often.

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Meanwhile Cheeto McBonespurs gets to be POTUS and doesn't even know what physics is.

edit: BTW, Obama knows a bit about physics.

526 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

Can someone TLDR me this bone spur thing? I've seen it posted around.

Edit: Lol what a garbage person - US Army Vet.

1.8k points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

Trump dodged the draft (through deferment) by claiming he had bone-spurs, meanwhile he was actively playing multiple sports in school.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jul/21/was-trump-draft-dodger/

Edit: Nowhere in my statement does it say whether I personally think “draft-dodging” is ok or not. The issue most people have with Trump is he avoided military service and then goes on to criticize a captured and tortured soldier, a family who lost their son, called avoiding STD’s his “personal Vietnam”, made a joke of the code-talkers honor ceremony, said he knows more than the generals... If you need it spelled out for you: He’s a hypocritical little bitch.

I dodged the draft through drug tests.

Username checks out

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634 points · 6 months ago

He couldn't even remember which foot it was.

366 points · 6 months ago

Because it was fake...

125 points · 6 months ago

foulplay was afoot

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Spoiler:

The bone spur was in his corpus callosum and has metastasized.

In his dick?

71 points · 6 months ago

The corpus callousum connects the left and right hemispheres of the brain. You are thinking of the corpus cavernosum

Given the presidents mental state, I'm not sure he wasn't wrong.

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He said collosum, not minora

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He’s a hypocritical little bitch.

I'm glad you spelled it out though.

It's long past time to stop fucking about and start calling him what he is.

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He got medical waivers for avoiding the draft for Vietnam due to "bone spurs" on his foot. When asked which foot, he couldn't provide an answer.

157 points · 6 months ago

In 1968 at the age of 22 Trump was healthy and played multiple sports. After he graduated from college he was eligible to be drafted and sent to Vietnam. But then he got bailed out when he was diagnosed with bone spurs in his heels. The diagnosis resulted in a coveted 1-Y medical deferment that fall, exempting him from military service.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html?_r=0

That's surprising that the healthiest person ever to be elected potus has problems with bone spurs. /s

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Trump's draft number was pulled several times during Vietnam, and each time he got out of it with a doctor's note saying he had bone spurs. At the same time, he was playing college baseball.

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During the Vietnam war rich white people would dodge the draft by going to a family doctor and have them diagnose them with "bone spurs" which at that time were make believe pieces of bone in your ankle/heel that would prevent you from serving (like having only one arm or leg).

In other words, rich people would pay doctors to have them exempted from having to serve in the war.

I mean, bone spurs are a real thing. I knew a girl in college who had them in her feet and she said they could be excruciating. I know she had to go for surgery to have them removed every couple of years and couldn't get around real well at all for a few weeks after. It was one of those things that I blew off too until I saw someone who really had them and it seemed miserable.

Now that being said, I highly doubt Trump had bone spurs. From what I could see, he wouldn't have been able to walk, let alone play baseball.

They're no joke. I had them in the sub-tarsal joint of my ankle. Even walking on uneven ground was enough to leave me half crippled the next day. I ended up getting that joint fused.

Still enlisted in the Marines during the height of OIF/OEF.

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The real icing on the cake here is that calcaneal spurs (which are a real thing) are essentially meaningless from a clinical point of view. You can have severe heel pain and not have spurs, or you can have 7mm+ spurs and have no pain. Roughly 20% of people have heel spurs and have never had any symptoms.

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That was his excuse for dodging the draft. Bone spurs. But he couldn’t remember which leg.

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This guy could get my vote. I almost forgot what an eloquent speech looks like.

10 points · 6 months ago

And humorous. That line about "[if the confederacy had won] certainly I would not have been here" was great.

Yep, eloquent, inspiring, funny and engaging. And praising the benefits of education and technology. While, we would praise the current President if he managed to make it through a speech without rambling, lying or saying something racist.

Holy shit that last quip about "certainly I would not be here" fucking killed me

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This man is more patriotic than most Americans.

That's true for A LOT of immigrants.

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Wow.

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Fuck, I can feel the fucking overwhelming sense of personal pride and honor he feels from just the look on his face.

1.5k points · 6 months ago

This picture could be the definition of "tears of pride".

Fuck were those tears? I thought it was a bunch of scars

If those were scars then he’d be well on his way to a dope ass villain origin story.

You wanna know how I got these scars?

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38 points · 6 months ago

Okay, we've gotta figure this out.

The scar connecting his right eye to his scalp is definitely a scar, since it is above his eye level.

The one to the left of his nose is clearly a scar, since you can see the differing texture.

The scar going into his hair near his left ear is also a scar (though at first it looks like a vein) since you can see the part that has less hair because of it.

That only leaves the two that looks like tear marks, and possibly the bags under his eyes (which seem to have an abnormally high degree of definition).

Of those I am hesitantly willing to bet that the tear-mark ones are also scars, both because we have already seen that he has a solid number of them, and because the tear-marks form a solid straight line down his face, yet don't start until a few inches below his eyes, that seems like a rather odd pattern. Though it is possible he wiped his eyes but not his cheeks resulting in the disparity. (which on second thought seems far more likely, since they are a uniform color and thickness (unusual for scars) and are very peculiarly placed)

I think the lines under his eyes are just standard eye-bagginess however.

Good bot.

10 points · 6 months ago

Good human.

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117 points · 6 months ago

An overwhelming sense of pride and accomplishment

/r/fakehistoryporn

First gamer to unlock Darth Vader, circa 2017

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66 points · 6 months ago

this is actually worthy of being on this sub. i know it's related to politics or whatever but even if it wasn't, it is a very moving picture.

powerful.

i am proud of the guy and i don't even know him. those tears say everything i can't.

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I thought he was really sad, but this makes way more sense. He's pretty darn inspiring.

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1.6k points · 6 months ago

We had a kid, back in 2014, in my psychology class junior year of high school who I guess escaped from some horrible child military camp in Africa under the cover of night while being shot at. This guy I was friends with the entire year until he graduated and I didn't know his backstory until after he left and it seriously left me shook. You can't even imagine what people like this have been through. He showed no signs whatsoever of anything that happened and never talked about it for obvious reasons.

334 points · 6 months ago

I worked with a former child soldier from Cambodia under Pol Pot. Long story short he worked his ass off while saving and investing his money. He had managed to locate all his family and bring them here. Since then he has become a millionaire.

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After living through shit like that, being in America - starting at rock bottom - is basically life on easy mode.

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Find him/her. You will be surprised how thankful he/she will be to hear your words. Maybe they need a friend. I urge and challenge you to do it!

Former refugee who went through similar situation

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Same with some kids from El Salvador. These kids are escaping the horrors of the MS13, escaping brutal gangs who kill and maim with machetes. Kids who have also been shot at, yet when people see them in America, they assume they themselves are gang members

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That's why I think some of the people deserve to be here more than us. The adversity they had to overcome just to get the life most of us are born into. The drive, the determination, the loss, and the suffering. Tell me they don't deserve a chance to make a better life.

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1.2k points · 6 months ago

I have to say this for the US: Damn snappy uniforms!

The academy cadet uniforms are pretty snazzy, but honestly nobody does it better than the Marines

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that cape though

That is just badass!

NO CAPES.

(Except if you're a Marine officer)

Oh man, I'd get a boat cloak in a heartbeat if they didn't cost like $1000 and only get to wear it a couple times.

FYI it's actually called a boat cloak

Also I'm pretty sure only Generals get to wear them.

In the army at least, any officer can wear them, they’re just expensive as fuck and never required. But what’s a few hundred bucks to look bad ass?

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It's authorized for SNCOs and Officers, but usually only the higher ranking Marines have them for two reasons: it's one hell of an expensive piece of cloth, and most Marines aren't stationed anywhere really 'cold' until they can't put off a Pentagon assignment anymore.

Hey!

I live right near the Pentagon and it isn't always cold!

In July it was 90 degrees! (somewhere around 30 Celsius)

...last week it was -10 windchill (somewhere around -15 Celsius) though...

Yeah I see why'd they put it it off...

We get the worst of everything...

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The one with capes, dope af

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Marine dress blues, dropping panties since 1775.

Yuuuuuuuut

Deadass one of the main reasons I joined lol

Same, that and the sword. Still gonna carry that bitch into battle one of these days

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Always been a huge fan of Italy's Carabinieri uniforms

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21 points · 6 months ago

Does any nation really get hats right, though? They all sit so uncomfortably weird

Computer, could I see a hat wobble?

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Those are on another level, my friend.

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50 points · 6 months ago

Christ baby oil up your chest wearing that shit and watch the ladies flock

I was more so thinking this looks like the most JRPG/gayest military outfit possible that would attract all the men.

I think that might be an intro to a Men Over 30 video

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those all look like shots from the opening of a gay porno.

It looks like a gays in the military march in an LGBT pride march

that then evolves into a porno

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That's some Hot Cops uniform action.

These guys are pros, Michael. They're gonna push the tension 'til the last possible moment before they strip.

Spainish

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Snazzy confirmed.

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This is the West Point cadet dress uniform. It’s pretty fuckin cool, but it’s not representative of the rest of our armed forces dress uniforms.

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That's the school's uniform. It isn't actually a US military uniform. It is nifty, though.

Edit: I stand corrected. WP cadets are active duty.

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The Army Pink and Greens are my personal favorite.

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pretty high cadet rank, too.

746 points · 6 months agoGilded2 · edited 6 months ago

2nd highest, in fact. He was one of 4 regimental commanders. There’s only one cadet rank above reg cdr and that’s the first captain (not counting the bde staff positions).

To all you haters saying that ranks and command at West Point are made up and fake, you’re wrong. As a prior enlisted West Point graduate and current Army officer, I can assure you that their authority and influence over the other cadets are very real. In those senior West Point roles, their scope of responsibility is pretty large all while dealing with tough academic demands.

But with that said, I know Idrache. He’s a great guy. Glad to see this photo is still making the rounds.

Edit: lol gold? Thanks!

Nice reply! ty.

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What does 6 stripes mean?

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The brigade commander, also called the first captain, wears six stripes/bars/sleeve chevrons with a gold star

hes a regimental commander or something like that.

Thank you

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It means you performed six 360 noscopes during training.

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7 points · 6 months ago

He was 1st regiments commander for most of first semester that school year

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64 points · 6 months ago

No, he was a cadet regimental commander at West Point. He was the highest ranking cadet in his Regiment (~1000 people). Now that he's commissioned he'll be a platoon leader, which is 40 or so Soldiers.

That said, he's an aviator so he's doing flight school right now.

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42 points · 6 months ago

Shit, I don't trust myself to care for a single child

Daddy, is that you?

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1.5k points · 6 months ago

Have we learned nothing from France? Haitian military men can mobilize the population against the colonial power.

431 points · 6 months ago

The British lost 25,000 men fighting on the behalf of the Haitians.

516 points · 6 months ago

Knowing the history of Britain, I'm sure this was out of the goodness of their leaders' hearts and they had absolutely nothing to benefit from this action against the French...

And I'm also sure the French helped the Americans out of the goodness of their heart

Touche'

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You're a naive child if you think any nation does anything for anything but self-interest.

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207 points · 6 months ago

Who cares if they died they didnt have good enough reasons for ME - Some dork on reddit

Hold my flat white while I piss on the graves of some people who died for the wrong type of independence.

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France even hired Polish mercenaries, which the Haitians quickly turned to their side.

Not at all true. The Poles were motivated to fight for the French as Napoleon was an important ally to the Polish resurgent state. Defections only started to happen after it was clear the French were going to lose and continuing to fight would mean certain death and only in small pockets of men in hopeless situations (ie they ran out of ammunition). There were more prisoners than defectors. When they had the opportunity 8 years later many defected back to the French.

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672 points · 6 months agoGilded1

Alix, we're better for you being here.

The whole world is better off. That's some character right there.

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I was in his major and shared many classes. A really amazing guy!

The man who pushed me through Great Lakes was Haitian. Mother fucking Senior Chief Petty Officer. 20 years honorable service. Came to this country as a young man and joined the military on a whim. Nearly 50 years old and smoking literally everyone on the running track including the other RDCs without breaking a sweat. Thank God we allow people to immigrate through lottery and not only merit. The young often cannot show their merit until given the chance.

The young often cannot show their merit until given the chance.

It may not add to the story, but can you tell us what RDC stands for?

Recruit division commander, a drill instructor for the United States Navy.....according to wikipedia

Correct

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I work as a cesspool installer.

I find it deeply offensive that some people seem to think that "shit hole" is some kind of insult.

I feed my children with shit holes!

You should just use like regular ceramic bowls and plates instead

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It’s too bad the only reason this is posted is because the president called Haiti a shithole. This man deserves to be commended, and should’ve over a year ago when this actually happened.

He did, it was in the Army Times, plastered all over Facebook, and even made it to Reddit.

Repost on Reddit? Inconceivable!

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What is sad is how everyone, all of media, late night comedians have completely missed the point. Everyone in the media is outraged that he used that word.

The whole point is it is extremely heatless to judge a bunch of people born into poor countries just by the country they were born in. They did not ask to be born there. If every person before being born had a chance to ask god for a place to be born, i dont know how many would pick to be born in places like Africa and Haiti. Lets be real here. It shows a complete lack of empathy to just disparage people because they were born in poor countries. They were dealt bad cards and it is not fair to dismiss them because of that. They did not ask for it, it is not in their control.

There are millions of babies born in africa and other poor parts of the world where all they have known is suffering. Babies are born into abject poverty, struggle for 1 meal a day. All they know is suffering and misery, hunger and poverty. What have those babies done to deserve it? Why do your kid/my kid in america get to be respected just because it was born here? Think about it from those kid's perspective. A lot of those kids never make it into adult hood, never get to a stage where they can do something about their situation. Millions are born into misery and die in misery before they are even adults. So it is extremely harsh to judge people based on where they are born. You can call those countries whatever you want, but disparaging those people is very harsh.

These people didnt choose to be born here. Every single one of them would choose to be born as donald trump, son of a multi millionaire in new york. Many of these people are so busy struggling to get food and stay alive that they never get a chance to do something, change their country. If anything, these people have the mental strength most people in the 1st world cannot even fathom. There are so many african mothers who have lost multiple kids in infant stage, right infront of their eyes, all because they cannot afford to give them the minimum, even an animal should get: water and food. Imagine watching your kids starve to death infront of your eyes. These people have insane strength and it is extremely unfair to disparage them all because they are in a "shithole". They all got dealt very very bad hands, but they are still in the game. They are still fighting everyday, they still refuse to give up. This is not about whether haiti is a shithole. Whatever it is, it shows a massive lack of empathy to judge people from poor countries because their country is poor.

So yes, there are billions of poor people all over the world, majority of who would move to the US if given a chance in a heartbeat. That doesnt mean the US has to let them all in. That is understandable. Your country, your policies. But atleast we should have the decency to acknowledge the fact that these poor people were born into these places for no mistake of their own. All they are doing is trying to survive, continue living. We should show atleast some respect for that, if not help them.

Empathy is lost on those who've never suffered.

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The point is our asshat in chief had to ask “why” we would want immigrants from shithole countries, this is why, and it should be obvious especially for a president. Using shithole is disrespectful and shameful but the context is what is really wrong with his statement.

The city that I grew up is was great. Small town. Neighbors always helpful and friendly. Clean streets. Didn't have any racial issues. We all blended together no matter what social class.

BUT there was this one guy, Shaun. Huge piece of shit. Constantly in and out of jail for selling drugs and other petty crimes like stealing lawnmowers. Lost a really good friend of mine and he showed up at the funeral home with rave type, parachute pants, blue lens glasses, and a visor.

Good people come from bad places and bad people come from good places. These arguments don't really address the issue when you're only pointing out one person at a time.

I'm not defending or tlattacking either side. I just don't think our reply to his statement is really approached in the best way by pointing out one moment in the life of one guy. By that measurement, America is one of the biggest shitholes on the planet.

229 points · 6 months ago

Shaun

I hate him already.

My name’s Shaun :(

104 points · 6 months ago

No its not, it's Shanba.

No it's not, it's TheShanba.

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he showed up at the funeral home with rave type, parachute pants, blue lens glasses, and a visor.

Brb informing my family and friends of the dress code for my funeral (whenever that is)

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That's the point. Trump consistently judges people based on their racial or national background rather than on their individual merit. As undiplomatic as his "shithole" comment was, the more serious problem is that it was about rejecting and denigrating all individuals of certain nationalities.

The president's attitude and the policies it leads to are the sort that help Shaun at the expense of Alix.

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the point you made reinforced his point of not judging a people as a whole based on where they are from

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22 points · 6 months ago

This man's morning dump is better than Trump ever was on his best day.

Served in marine corps with many marines that were not citizens and were man enough to be called marines. It’s an embarrassment we have a piece of shit president who does the shit he does.

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167 points · 6 months ago

THIS IS THE AMERICA I BELIEVE IN

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