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searchfornirvana commented on a post in r/QualitySocialism
Lucifirius [score hidden]

"How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?"

-- Adolf Hitler


  • Banks were socialized and forced to buy government bonds and government regularly confiscated the balances of savings accounts and insurance companies. (1938 legislation)

  • State provided welfare for citizens (NSDAP party program point 7.)

  • Equal rights and obligations for citizens (NSDAP party program point 9.)

  • Citizens must work physically or intellectually (NSDAP party program point 10.)

  • Abolition of rent and interest (NSDAP party program point 11.)

  • Abolition of profit from "immoral" activities (NSDAP party program point 12.)

  • Nationalization of all major industrial corporations and trusts (NSDAP party program point 13.)

  • Redistribution of profits from heavy industy (NSDAP party program point 14.)

  • National Pension system (NSDAP party program point 15.)

  • "Communalization" of warehouses and depots to help small businesses (NSDAP party program point 16.)

  • Eminent domain without compensation for farmlands and criminalization of land speculation (NSDAP party program point 17.)

  • Death punishment for "immoral" profiteers (NSDAP party program point 18.)

  • Forced public school system, and free higher education (NSDAP party program point 20.)

  • Banning child labor (NSDAP party program point 21.)

  • Press censorship (NSDAP party program point 23.)

  • Secularization of religion (NSDAP party program point 24.)

  • Totalitarian government (NSDAP party program point 25.)

  • LGBT rights (Ernst Röhm the leader of the Brownshirts and his entire staff were all gay and in favor of legalization of it)

  • Social equality (the Jewish people have high intellectual capacities and higher than average IQs therefore to create an equal society every socialist must be an anti-semite by definition in order to oppress the Jewish people)

  • They have used Fluoride in Nazi Concentration Camps to lower the IQ of the Jewish people


"If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites—and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose… How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?" - Adolf Hitler


"There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. We socialize [enslave] human beings" - Adolf Hitler



“We and we alone [the Nazis] have the best social welfare measures. Everything is done for the nation.” - Joseph Goebbels


  • 17 million germans on welfare by 1939 , “projected a powerful image of caring and support.”

  • Nazi People's community sacrificing themselves for the greater good

  • Nazi welfare system included: pension, rent control and subsidy, unemployment and disability benefits, old age homes , interest free loans for married couples, healthcare subsidy (with mandatory socialized healthcare system by 1941)

  • Trained social workers for supervising kids, families and old people

  • Hitler was “an enemy of free-market economics” according to Goering, introduced the New [World] Order) policy, with technocratic state appointed bureaucrats overseeing the state corporations. By 1943 more than 500 major companies were state owned. The remainder were controlled by party elites, and receiving corporate welfare regularly.

  • Introduction of Nazi Labor Union

searchfornirvana [score hidden]

So the political manifesto of the Nazi party issued in the early 1920s was explicitly designed to help the Nazis garner support from the working class rather than to act as a sincere long-term expression of Nazi ideology. They didn't follow through on most of it. Hitler even referred to it dismissively as the 'so-called program of the movement' in Mein Kampf.

"nationalization of all trusts" (they didn't do this, they temporarily nationalized banks before reverting them to private control, the 1938 legislation 'nationalizing' banks was merely forcing them to buy government bonds)

"profit-sharing in large industries" (they didn't do this)

"increase in old-age pensions" (welfare state=/=socialism)

"we demand the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people" (they didn't stick to this either)

"the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people" (this is a totalitarian view not inherent in socialist ideology)

"COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD." [capitalization directly from original manifesto.] (again, this view is hardly unique to socialism and was heavily promoted by the founder of fascism, Mussolini)

"LGBT rights" (yeah this is why Rohm and his LGBT supporters were universally purged during the Night of the Long Knives and LGBT people were granted separate designation in concentration camps)

'Socialism' to the Nazis did not refer to a form of economic organization but rather a process by which all private and public interests were coordinated in the interests of the state, which was representative of the nation-race. In his own words, Adolf Hitler:

"At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it "National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it."

"What matters is to emphasize the fundamental idea in my party's economic program clearly; the idea of authority. I want the authority; I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself according to the principle: ‍'‍Benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual.‍'‍ But the state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property."

"'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false."

Keep in mind that Nazi ideology was also heavily dependent on whatever Hitler thought or said at the time, so he could sometimes make contradictory statements. Yet this concept of 'national socialism' was largely adhered to. So their idea of 'socialism' was very much a 'social' rather than an economic one, whereas the definition of socialism is commonly recognized as being public control over the means of production. Within this framework the Nazis supported private enterprise. The Nazis did operate a welfare state but this was not a welfare state for everyone, instead it was a welfare state specifically designed to promote racial hygiene, hence universal healthcare and such. Hitler actually privatized numerous social welfare organizations anyway. Private business was rarely suppressed or hindered in any way, unlike in the USSR. Hitler actually supported private industry titans as examples of superior humans rising to the top, while explicitly rejecting the concept of management by the proletariat and the abolition of private property which are the most defining ideological features of socialism. Privatization in Nazi Germany during the 1930s was actually greater than in most contemporary Western countries at the time:

"What right do these people have to demand a share of property or even in administration?... The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead."

"We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility."

The Nazis nationalized several major industries but also privatized several, including the railway system which was the largest public transport network in the world at the time. The Nazis held an official ideological conviction against capitalism but this was because Nazism strove to project itself as a Third Way ideology beyond capitalism and socialism, incorporating elements of both but being superior to either. For instance they explicitly rejected class struggle, their ideology was rooted in belief of a distinct social hierarchy, and they held extreme reactionary right-wing cultural views. Hitler explicitly alluded to Nazism's 'beyond left and right' stance:

"There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan, or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew."

Yes, the USSR and Nazi Germany were both totalitarian states. And they both committed horrible crimes against humanity. But you cannot conflate a mechanism of coercive control as a hallmark of one specific ideology, as F.A. Hayek did. The ideological goal of the USSR under Stalin was officially to strengthen 'socialism in one country' in preparation for a possible global communist movement resulting in the creation of a worker-managed stateless society. The ideological goal of Nazism was the annihilation of all inferior human beings and furthering the procreation of superior human beings in order to improve the racial stock of humanity, consolidated permanently under the control of a totalitarian fascist government and explicitly rejecting any end notions of worker management or equality.

tl,dr; 'National Socialism' is radically different from 'socialism', and the Nazis openly acknowledged this.

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searchfornirvana [score hidden]

reminder: that metric was calculated by Martin Malia using 'excess deaths' in a book that has been roundly criticized for sloppy scholarship, and by the same metric of 'excess deaths' capitalism killed 100 million people by 1979 in India alone, and many more since

asilvermtdoom 3 points

Mos Def / Yasiin Bey is good as hell, and not just musically. A year after Hurricane Katrina, he was arrested outside the MTV awards because he rolled up on a flatbed trailer to perform his song about the fucked-up response to Katrina. And a few years ago, he agreed to be force-fed to show what hunger-striking prisoners at Guantanamo Bay were going through.

Also, one of his (IMO, best) albums starts off with a Malcolm X sample.

searchfornirvana 1 point

He's a fucking good dude for sure

edit: just watched that force feeding video and holy fuck. that is some horrendous shit.

searchfornirvana 6 points

mos def, talib (and their collab blackstar), ratm are all good folks

a-b-c-d-e- 8 points

If this sub gets nuked we're just going to come back somewhere else.

searchfornirvana 4 points

shhhh let me be a martyr for once

-tranquil_hegelian- 3 points

I’ve been offline all day, did I miss something? Is there real concern that this sub will be banned? And couldn’t we just make a chapo3 sub anyway? My suggestion is to call it ‘Felix’s Flex House’

searchfornirvana 3 points

Word on the wind is because of the ICE doxxing the banhammer is gonna be coming down soon.

CavernsOfLight 2 points

I agree, normalizing illegal immigration is disgusting, they should build the wall and deport anyone who doesn't have a visa or is not a citizen. Problem solved.

searchfornirvana 1 point

yes this will convince more people in mexico and the northern triangle not to flee their countries for the relative wealth and safety of the north. immigration problem solved

Euphemism 1 point

Since it has been going on for years, and completely through the Obama years, it makes the old noggin joggin why it is suddenly a case now?

Like when the reporter tweeted out the report, people freaked, and then it was disclosed that it was from 2014?

or this..

notice the date, and notice the highlighted parts.

it is just this

searchfornirvana 1 point

i'm not saying obama shouldn't be condemned. it's the culmination of a policy of dehumanization which has been going on for decades. this is only the logical conclusion. it was accelerated successively under bush, obama, and now trump.

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cyanbreak 55 points

before the editor got to it, it actually said "a police union"

searchfornirvana 60 points

that's the CPUSA

searchfornirvana 82 points

tomorrow's nyt: why stalin was actually good

Balzac_Ballsack 4 points

He's literally a republican

searchfornirvana 0 points

it's the sentiment not the man

lucao_psellus 1 point

then whyd you say arnie

its just a bad post, we gotta cull em

searchfornirvana 1 point

"arnie's disembodied sentiment go on chapo"

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ExiledRepublican 2 points

When a person’s goal is gross human rights violations, why point out that they’re getting what they want right now?

searchfornirvana 1 point

Creeping normality. None of this could have happened without precedent. Dehumanization is the root of the problem and must be ended.

ExiledRepublican 1 point

Yes. I understand that. My question is “Why incentivize them to continue doing these inhumane things by showing them that they’re achieving their goals of human rights violations?”

searchfornirvana 2 points

The goal is not to incentivize them. The goal is to make the prospect of a dehumanizing approach completely unacceptable within the public eye because of where it can lead. For years taking a 'tough line' on illegal immigration was seen as a relatively acceptable (albeit largely Republican) part of the discourse. That idea needs to be thoroughly discredited.

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searchfornirvana 8 points

fuck doing it because it will look good in fifty years, do it because it's the right fucking thing to do. do it because you value humankind and mutual aid and equality and you abhor anything which opposes them.

searchfornirvana commented on a post in r/politics
shapeofthings 1 point

At last! A reply by somebody who actually read my post past the first line! And yes I agree, but I think that much of the electorate are manipulated by the richest individuals via the media backed up with a long term erosion of the educational system.

searchfornirvana 3 points

Word. If you haven't, I'd suggest reading Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky. It's a bit outdated (1988) but he tackles the role that mass media plays and the influencers behind it very well.

searchfornirvana -1 points

Wonder what Maddow would do if somebody told her that the US has been advancing a detention-based approach to immigration for decades, which was successively accelerated by Bush, then Obama, and now Trump. The problem is systemic, people. The kiddie camps are a natural progression in the United States' dehumanizing approach to illegal immigration.

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FrankManic 20 points

OWS had three problems

1.) Numbers. We just straight didn't have enough boots to kick everyone's asses at the same time.

2.) Organization. The whole fucking thing had to be re-invented from scratch. There were a bunch of old hippies helping out but a lot of the people involved had never organized anything before.

3.) Winter. Frankly, we lost to General Winter as much as anything. The occupation was a precarious tactic to begin with and we couldn't keep it up being outside in major cities during winter.

But Occupy never really stopped. It spun off all kinds of crazy shit; Direct action groups squatting houses to stop evictions, a bunch of different kinds of rolling jubilee projects, shit like that. And now that I think about it, Obama probably had a big hand in killing Occupy. We would have done a lot better if the Democrats weren't in their complacent "It's okay when we do it" phase. Like, shit, imagine trying to protest Hillary's version of this border shit. The GOP would want us all shot for being traitor's, and the Democrats would want us all shot for refusing to accept the wisdom of Mother's benevolent "put families in cages together then kick them out of the back of a DC-9 over Nicaragua compassionately" plan.

searchfornirvana 1 point

Do you think a similar mass-action movement could find better success in 1 and 2 if it happened today? I feel like the turnout could be better while stuff like BLM and the DSA could lend a hand in organizing.

Stalinspetrock 60 points

Second big failing was listening to the cops and protesting conveniently in a park instead of literally occupying wall street - or, at least, picking some bank headquarters and trying to blockade that.

searchfornirvana 58 points

yeah, in order for nonviolence to be truly effective it has to be provocative and non-cooperative. mlk explicitly acknowledged this which is another aspect of him that has been whitewashed

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searchfornirvana 46 points

God damn it. God damn it. If the fucking NDP hadn't chosen milquetoast Mulcair as their party leader and didn't try shifting to the centre things could maybe have been different. God damn it. Picking Trudeau for party leader was the smartest thing the Libs have done in years, they captured a shit ton of the young vote. It was almost like an Obama effect-after Harper, people saw a fresh face and voted for 'change'.

A focus on the messenger rather than the message makes one the prey of demagogues and tyrants.

backgammon_no 12 points

They got me! The message was also good. They had a detailed platform posted months before the election, with excellent promises on a wide variety of subjects. The NDP had, like, a couple of vague paragraphs.

searchfornirvana 10 points

Yeah, you've got a good point. The NDP really fucked the dog tbh. It was an election motivated by change and they had no idea how to position themselves so they never really had a platform. The Libs also did promise a bunch of good things, especially electoral reform, but they managed to backpedal on them pretty quickly.

Originally being from a province which has seesawed endlessly between PC and Liberal for an eternity gave me a pretty skeptical view of their intentions to actually follow through on their promises, but at the time I remember I was pretty hopeful that they would push through electoral reform.

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oneangryman711 193 points

this is obviously a dumb take, but david hogg is still just a little baby who hasn't even gone to college yet. this is why the "from the mouth of a babe" fantasy is so pernicious. we're looking for kids to give us good takes when they're not even sure what the words they're using for their takes mean.

searchfornirvana 55 points

yeah i mean if the hogg is a relatively typical american teenager then he's been deep fried in ideology ever since he could process language. he obviously wants to make a positive difference in the world but the reality is he probably hasn't had much exposure to the idea that the whole capitalist system is the problem

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